Poll
Question:
Who's your favorite?
Option 1: Fwirl
votes: 19
Option 2: Songbreeze
votes: 16
Which of the two female squirrels listed above are you for? Please be kind to the users who chose the other. :)
Abbess Songbreeze for me.
She was really brave, and her adventure with her comrades in Marlfox was an epic tale.
Really Leatho? You just had to do that didn't you. :(
I've always loved Song!!! I do really like Fwirl, though, too!!
Quote from: danflorreguba on May 18, 2013, 01:30:57 AM
Really Leatho? You just had to do that didn't you. :(
Yep :)
I voted for Fwirl. B/c I thought she did more than she was given credit for.
I voted Fwirl because she's in Taggerung my favorite book :)
I voted Fwirl because sometimes Song can be too perfect.
Quote from: Tam and Martin on May 18, 2013, 10:11:50 PM
I voted Fwirl because sometimes Song can be too perfect.
IKR?
What does that stand for?
Song before she was abbes.
Quote from: Tam and Martin on May 19, 2013, 09:11:09 PM
What does that stand for?
IKR stands for, "I know, right?"
Thank you :)
Song leads by one vote! Can Fwirl do it?
Songbreeze Swifteye! I'm mostly saying this because she's in Marlfox, but also, she was pretty darn awesome.
Quote from: Tam and Martin on May 18, 2013, 10:11:50 PM
I voted Fwirl because sometimes Song can be too perfect.
Are you saying Song is a Mary Sue? *goes into evil enraged bloodwrath mode* GRAAAAAH!!! *Leaves evil enraged bloodwrath mode* Yeah, in a few cases, I suppose...
I voted for Fwirl.
Quote from: rusvulthesaber on June 14, 2013, 02:34:15 AM
Songbreeze Swifteye! I'm mostly saying this because she's in Marlfox, but also, she was pretty darn awesome.
Quote from: Tam and Martin on May 18, 2013, 10:11:50 PM
I voted Fwirl because sometimes Song can be too perfect.
Are you saying Song is a Mary Sue? *goes into evil enraged bloodwrath mode* GRAAAAAH!!! *Leaves evil enraged bloodwrath mode* Yeah, in a few cases, I suppose...
I didn't like it when she went off the waterfall. That was aggravating...
I like Fwirl better than Song and I'm quite sure why I just do :P
Songbreeze for me!
Now Song has two more votes than Fwirl.
I think Fwirl was cooler, plus Song sang a bit too much.
I love singing! That's one reason I love Song, but Fwirl was awesome, too. I voted for Song.
I voted Fwirl. I dunno, but I liked her better. :P
Song all the way!
To me, Fwirl seemed more like a warrior then song. She had more abbess skills then warrior
You can't compare Fwirl and Song! HOW DARE YE!
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They both had areas that were more interesting or fleshed out, and some that weren't quite as much. They are extremely different characters even in terms of appearance, more so in their actions.
I voted Fwirl.
Quote from: danflorreguba on March 29, 2014, 04:13:29 AM
You can't compare Fwirl and Song! HOW DARE YE!
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They both had areas that were more interesting or fleshed out, and some that weren't quite as much. They are extremely different characters even in terms of appearance, more so in their actions.
I KNOW!!!! It's just plain cruel, comparing them! especially to a Red wall squirrel lover! TAKE IT BACK!!,
I CAN'T DECIDE!!!!!!!
Ha. Now you know how I feel.
They're tied >:D
Oi dearly luve mizz Fwirl so oi tipped the scale over teh hurr
HA! Tied again!
I'm rereading Malrfox, and Song seems pretty mary-sue-ish. I think I like Fwirl better.
Quote from: Russa Nodrey on June 04, 2014, 02:22:06 PM
I'm rereading Malrfox, and Song seems pretty mary-sue-ish. I think I like Fwirl better.
How can you say that? HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT?!?!?!?!?!?!? She's noty Mary-Sueish! Are you kidding me?
Quote from: Cornflower MM on June 08, 2014, 07:14:34 PM
Quote from: Russa Nodrey on June 04, 2014, 02:22:06 PM
I'm rereading Malrfox, and Song seems pretty mary-sue-ish. I think I like Fwirl better.
How can you say that? HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT?!?!?!?!?!?!? She's noty Mary-Sueish! Are you kidding me?
Her opinion remember....
It's not like I hate her or anything, she just seemed a bit mary-sue-ish.
How can you like Fwirl better than Song? SONG WAS AWESOME!!!
Quote from: Russa Nodrey on June 11, 2014, 06:09:21 PM
It's not like I hate her or anything, she just seemed a bit mary-sue-ish.
Explain yourself miscreant! I'll be having no such talk going around about me fair lady! ;D ;)
In all seriousness though, in what way do you find Songbreeze a Mary-Sue? She was a well-rounded character that was fun to observe (as completely un-related to Mary-Sueness as that is). She wasn't perfect, her fighting skills seemed somewhat lax, though her social skills were certainly fairly good.... Wait! I figured it out! Anybeast who has a really good singing voice is a Mary-Sue! :o
Quick question, is Mary-Sue supposed to have a hyphen in it? I just tend to hyphenate certain word combinations.
First of all, I am not a miscreant. ;D
Second of all, it may just be me but she seems a bit too perfect. It's probably just me though.
I think I need to re-read Marlfox before I put my foot down whether she was or wasn't "perfect". But I think for now I'm going with Dan's (Or the flower's) point of view.
Quote from: Leatho Shellhound on June 14, 2014, 04:57:26 AM
I think I need to re-read Marlfox before I put my foot down whether she was or wasn't "perfect". But I think for now I'm going with Dan's (Or the flower's) point of view.
The flower? Oh, haha. ::) Nice joke. Dan's most definetely NOT a flower. Flowers are more delicate.....
Quote from: Russa Nodrey on June 14, 2014, 12:07:50 AM
First of all, I am not a miscreant. ;D
Second of all, it may just be me but she seems a bit too perfect. It's probably just me though.
No, it's sadly not just you.......As Dan pointed out, her fighting skills are......(Let's be polite, shall we) Not the best. Dan, I think you might have struck on something there! Rose of Noonvale's considered to be a Marysue, too! They both have wonderful singing voices....THAT'S IT!
I guess in Redwall, that's what qualifies you to be a sue!
Excepting Triss and Mariel, of course...
Personally, I don't think Triss did enough to be counted a sue (I can see what the arguments would be though), but I totally agree with you on Mariel.
Well, yes and no...
Regardless, the book Triss is one of my favorites.
I'll have to argue with you on Tries sometime. But not today. Brain. Fried.
What do you have against Triss?
If you look at the pictures at the beginning of the chapters as what the characters look like, the entire story in your head is odd, because I personally think the pictures don't give the characters justice.
From which book, Marlfox or Taggerung? If there is one thing I didn't like about the book illustrations it's that there wasn't enough of them.
Quote from: Wylder Treejumper on July 24, 2014, 04:38:30 AM
Regardless, the book Triss is one of my favorites.
Spoiler alert: Don't read any more if you've never read Triss :) :)
Yeah that was one of my favorites when I was younger. I was really sad when Shogg died.
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I read Triss a few years back, I believe at the same time I reread Mattimeo. I liked a lot of the book, but I do think that the group of central protagonists was one of the least interesting ones, particularly Triss herself. It seems that several of Mr. Jacques' later stories focused on the idea of having the central protagonist be destined to greatness, whether because of their background, or some prophecy. Taggerung, which was released right before Triss, obviously features this motif. We also see it come up in High Rhulain and The Sable Quean. I'm not altogether against having the descendent of somebody or another have their predecessor's strengths, but there's a point when it's been done too much.
Triss, in my mind, executed this more clumsily than Taggerung or Sable Quean. My memory of the book is fuzzy, so pardon me if I'm wrong, but as a slave, I doubt Triss had ever had the opportunity to handle a sword prior to arriving at Redwall. Yet in a matter of days, or perhaps a few weeks, she's already an elite fighter and capable of easily beating someone like Kurda. Now, I don't claim that Princess Pinkeyes was a great fighter; actually, I think she was quite mediocre, at best. Even so, though, her seasons of limited practice, and the positive experience she gained from fighting Plugg, should have given her an edge over her former slave. Yet this doesn't happen, and if I remember right, the main reason given for it is that Triss was the daughter of some great swordfighter.
There are more overpowered protagonists (Mariel and Tiria Wildlough come to mind), but just because Triss wasn't as overdone as some of the other heroes doesn't make it okay. Besides, the part where Kurda basically just ran away and died, and then the heroes easily took over Riftgard, was really anticlimactic. I understand that the snakes were really the main villain(s), but I think the ferrets should have gone down a little harder than that.
Irrefutable points there James, all the villains fall in a matter of a dozen pages. Even the snakes are defeated quickly. I do think, however, that people don't necessarily enjoy Triss for the action scenes. Rather than focusing on battle, I think Triss spends a lot of time on characterizing each and every one of its characters. That's why I connected a lot more with Triss, Scarum, Sax, Shogg and Kroova as each one went on a completely separate journey.
Definitely Fwirl
Yes!
Fabulous
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Rancid
Leftovers
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Gotta be somethin' better than that.
It could be because Marlfox was my first, but I have to go with Song. She just sticks out in my memory more than Fwirl does. I just enjoy characters of her personality type. I really enjoyed Song's scenes in Marlfox and I enjoyed Cregga's reminiscences of her in Taggerung, especially the part about the monocle. It created a sense of familiarity.
I must admit, though, my memories of some of the side characters in Taggerung are a dim. I haven't read either one in a few years. I'm passively rereading the series chronologically, but I'm reading other books in between. I'll revisit this after I've reread both.