Poll
Question:
Do you think Sampetra was the same island as Riftgard?
Option 1: Yes
votes: 5
Option 2: No
votes: 26
I was trying to figure out if Sampetra and Riftgard were the same island, only at different times and named different. What do you think?
I think this would probably go in the General Discussion or the History, Legends & Myths section.
Yeah it should sorry. I meant to put it there. Hopefully a moderator will move it soon!
It's been moved ;D
I like how there was corsair taverns on the island.
Yeah me too! But I asked: do you think Sampetra was the same island as Riftgard?
Quote from: Romsca on December 26, 2012, 11:10:05 PM
Yeah me too! But I asked: do you think Sampetra was the same island as Riftgard?
What book is the island Riftgard again?
Triss
Ok, that is the one book I don't have.
That was pointless. :P lol.
I do not think that Sampetra and Riftgard were the same. Where did that idea come from?
They're in the same direction on the map and they look the same. Where did that idea come from that they weren't? They could very well be. Triss was at least a couple of hundred years (or seasons) after Pearls of Lutra. Much could have changed
I think not. I see the western sea as something like the pacific, dotted with islands everywhere, some big, some small. I think each island is different, just off by a little angle with a vertex at say, Salamandastron. So what I mean is since these things are so far away, being off by one degree can result in several leagues apart far out.
Hmmm. I think Romsca could be right. I mean, Ublaz died, so.... the Pure Ferrets obviously weren't natives with German accents, it could be true.
EDIT: Yes, I actually edited a small spelling mistake over two years later. :P
Quote from: PluggFiretail on February 08, 2013, 08:40:33 PM
Hmmm. I think Romsca could be right. I mean, Ublaz died, so.... the Pure Ferrets obviously weren't natives with German ascents, it could be true.
German ascents?
Ve vill find de squirrel, yar?
I'm really not sure, but I think I remember them being pretty similar.
Quote from: Romsca on February 09, 2013, 08:07:29 PM
Ve vill find de squirrel, yar?
I am half German...That's not very funny. :-\
I'm part German I think my grandma was German (5 MORE POSTS)
Quote from: Leatho Shellhound on February 16, 2013, 02:43:52 AM
Quote from: Romsca on February 09, 2013, 08:07:29 PM
Ve vill find de squirrel, yar?
I am half German...That's not very funny. :-\
Hey I'm 3/4 German and I don't mind making fun of them! They actually
do say stuff like that, remember?
Quote from: Romsca on February 16, 2013, 05:43:46 AM
Quote from: Leatho Shellhound on February 16, 2013, 02:43:52 AM
Quote from: Romsca on February 09, 2013, 08:07:29 PM
Ve vill find de squirrel, yar?
I am half German...That's not very funny. :-\
Hey I'm 3/4 German and I don't mind making fun of them! They actually do say stuff like that, remember?
I lived there for 6 years....And I don't remember that...I can speak it too. Any way back on topic.....
OK! Wouldn't want to offend anyone..
We can talk about other things regarding Sampetra. Like were the vermin pirates, privateers, or just soldiers? There are distinct differences and yet the vermin are like all three of them at different times in different ways
I drew a pisture to day of the Island of Sampetra.
Cool!
I wonder where Ublaz got those tropical lizards, were they on the island before he took over it or did he bring them there from somewhere else. I might be missing something from the book, they probably were there before him.
It said they were on the island before he came; he just tamed them
with his eyes
Quote from: Leatho Shellhound on February 16, 2013, 03:08:42 PM
Quote from: Romsca on February 16, 2013, 05:43:46 AM
Quote from: Leatho Shellhound on February 16, 2013, 02:43:52 AM
Quote from: Romsca on February 09, 2013, 08:07:29 PM
Ve vill find de squirrel, yar?
I am half German...That's not very funny. :-\
Hey I'm 3/4 German and I don't mind making fun of them! They actually do say stuff like that, remember?
I lived there for 6 years....And I don't remember that...I can speak it too. Any way back on topic.....
It was an example of how the Pure Ferrets spoke. It's a cliche German accent that's used all over the place. It's supposed to be funny. Not offensive.
Actually I don't think so. If you look at the maps, it shows Riftgard as being "Further North" You have the map but it never shows a picture of Fiftgard it shows an arrow that says "This way to Riftgard".
No, I am reading it right now, the way the land is writen they couldn't be the same. I apologize about the accent, it is entertaining.
Riftgard is on the mainland.
There are more trees on Riftgard.
You're reading Triss??
Quote from: Romsca on February 18, 2013, 03:22:53 AM
We can talk about other things regarding Sampetra. Like were the vermin pirates, privateers, or just soldiers? There are distinct differences and yet the vermin are like all three of them at different times in different ways
They did exactly what Ublaz wanted, like soldiers, they paid him tribute, like privateers, and they acted like (and called themselves) pirates. This has always confused me. Comments?
Quote from: PluggFiretail on March 07, 2013, 12:15:20 AM
Quote from: Leatho Shellhound on March 06, 2013, 11:22:25 PM
Quote from: PluggFiretail on March 06, 2013, 09:39:52 PM
You're reading Triss??
yep
Cool! Can you tell me when your done?
Sure, plugg just popped on the seen.
Quote from: Romsca on March 07, 2013, 12:11:52 AM
Quote from: Romsca on February 18, 2013, 03:22:53 AM
We can talk about other things regarding Sampetra. Like were the vermin pirates, privateers, or just soldiers? There are distinct differences and yet the vermin are like all three of them at different times in different ways
They did exactly what Ublaz wanted, like soldiers, they paid him tribute, like privateers, and they acted like (and called themselves) pirates. This has always confused me. Comments?
Hmmm, Well it is kinda like Gabool is
whats-her-face book, king over the pirates...some one had to be king. As well, he had all the wood. And in all fairness there was a revolt, right?
Wait, Riftgaurd is on the mainland is'nt it???
Quote from: Leatho Shellhound on March 07, 2013, 02:27:45 AM
Quote from: Romsca on March 07, 2013, 12:11:52 AM
Quote from: Romsca on February 18, 2013, 03:22:53 AM
We can talk about other things regarding Sampetra. Like were the vermin pirates, privateers, or just soldiers? There are distinct differences and yet the vermin are like all three of them at different times in different ways
They did exactly what Ublaz wanted, like soldiers, they paid him tribute, like privateers, and they acted like (and called themselves) pirates. This has always confused me. Comments?
Hmmm, Well it is kinda like Gabool is whats-her-face book, king over the pirates...some one had to be king. As well, he had all the wood. And in all fairness there was a revolt, right?
Aye, Ublaz 'ad aw ze vood, zae if zeir zhipz vere damaged zen zey 'ad tae pay up tae get ze vood tae repair zem. Ziz upzet ze piratez, zae zey revolted in outrage, zorta like vot zparked ze American Revolutionary War. Zey rebelled againzt ze tyranny o' Ublaz.
I'm pretty sure Riftgard is an Island.
You should add the option "Maybe" because that would be my answer.
Hmmm, Well it is kinda like Gabool is whats-her-face book, king over the pirates...some one had to be king. As well, he had all the wood. And in all fairness there was a revolt, right?
Gabool is in Mariel of Redwall. I should know, it's my favorite.(The only problem is Mariel dosen't wield a sword. :( I'm sword-crazy. :)
No and Riftgard isn't a island.
Does it say that it isn't in the book?
It is an island; Triss, Shogg, and Welko came to Mossflower on a boat. Look at the Triss map.
Anyway, we've talked about that enough (I've tried to change the topic at least a few times). Let me ask this question: How is Ublaz an emperor? Sampetra is just one, insignificant little pirate island, not an empire
Wasn't he lord over a ton of pirates, though? Or he could just be a self-styled emperor.
I think he thought he was an emporer. He was ruler of a lot of pirate ships though.
-Tam
Think about it this way, he is Emporer of the waves and sea.
Yes
Map of the area: http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080701084534/redwall/images/7/70/Redwallmapnorw.jpg
So it would seem so.
I voted no because on my Redwall map Rifgard and Sampetra are two completely different islands
I would say that they are not the same. Rifgard had a kind of river flowing through the middle of the island and Sampetra didn't have such a land mark as far as I could tell. The layout of the land was also different. Another thing was that the vermin and lizards were left on Sampetra. Yes they might have killed each other off but then again maybe not.
It was a REALLY long time in between, and there was a river on Sampetra. Remember the time when Rasconza pushed Sagitar into the river and threatened her? It was in chapter 16, the chapter where he...
KILLED BARRANCA :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
*starts crying*
really Romsca a grow up ferret like you crying ;) I still think no
Your right now I remember but what about the trees where did they come from?
Well the trees could have just been temporarily cut down on Sampetra
I always got the impresstion that Sampetra was dead west all the way from Redwall Abbey. I think its more likely that Riftguard and Fort bladegirt are the same.
I don't think Sampetra and Riftgard are the same for many reasons
1. They are different places on the map (But then again the maps were'nt always reliable)
2. They were both described differently
And 3. They both were different island shapes.
Quote from: Tam and Martin on August 08, 2013, 02:18:40 PM
I don't think Sampetra and Riftgard are the same for many reasons
1. They are different places on the map (But then again the maps were'nt always reliable)
2. They were both described differently
And 3. They both were different island shapes.
I agree
The land could have eroded.....but yes it is unlikly.
Map of the Islands, Isles and rocks in the Western Sea from the Redwall books. I looked at all the maps from the books and combined them.
It is very accurate.
I hope this is a help to future readers as well as my self.
(http://leathoshellhound.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/western-sea.jpg?w=538&h=734)
Thats a cool map
That is nice, thanks :) One thing though, I always got the impession that Sampetra was far west. It took days to get from there and back :P
Quote from: The Shade on August 09, 2013, 08:27:53 PM
That is nice, thanks :) One thing though, I always got the impession that Sampetra was far west. It took days to get from there and back :P
It is far west on the map. You're welcome.
yeah it is
(off topic but this is my 900th post)
I really don't think they were the same island.
they weren't I sure
Quote from: rachel25 on August 13, 2013, 04:42:50 PM
yeah it is
(off topic but this is my 900th post)
Yay! I know this is off topic too but I remember when I made my 900th post!
Ah dinnae...
Quote from: HeadInAnotherGalaxy on August 14, 2013, 03:48:25 PM
Ah dinnae...
You mean you don't remember when you made your 900th post?
How many posts do you need for Jr. Member? 50?
I just posted my 50th post, and am now a Jr. Member. Never mind my question.
I am reading Triss and I don't see any thing that says that Riftguard is an island. There is a map that says to get to mossflower form Riftguard that you have to sail due west then take a broad swinging curve south then due south the east in to the river moss. This would suggest that Riftguard is in the north lands.
You are right, Riftgard is in the north. I haven't read Triss in awhile so I don't know about it not being an island but I thought it said it was an island.
I remember it giving me that impression with the whole crossing the sea and every thing but I don't remember it ever saying that it was an island. I may be wrong though.
I'll have to look into that!
Sampetra and Redwall
1. The map references Sampetra as North West
2. Conva and others sail mostly East and South away from Sampetra to Mossflower
3. It took Conva 2 seasons to make a round trip with a few stops
4. Ublaz already knows of Redwall and its legendary reputation
5. Ublaz references Redwall as 'half way around the world'
6. Lask sails into colder waters then warmer waters
7. Martin and friends sail north through cold waters prior to arriving in the tropical sampetra.
Conclusionary Theory
Ublaz is one of the most worldly knowledgeable creatures in the series. Redwall's reputation is world renown, possibly the first time a mouse has ever slain a cat (martin in mossflower). Sampetra is infact half way around the world South of Mossflower country/continent and character travel half way around the world at an angle to get between the two, hence sailing through cold seas to get to a tropical island. For this reason the fictional Sampetra is more representative of the British colonys in Australia than the Caribbeans, in that it also has monitor lizards. Or the planet that Redwall exists on could have a more drastically tilted axis so that the equator is colder than the poles, putting the Northlands of Mossflower closser to the equator, Redwall south of the equator, and Sampetra north of the equator.
Not sure about the Australia correlation. It is odd that they went through cold weather from hot weather, then back to warm
Quote from: The Skarzs on August 04, 2018, 06:26:25 AM
Not sure about the Australia correlation. It is odd that they went through cold weather from hot weather, then back to warm
I agree. I also don't think they are the same islands.
@Granitfur it's good to have you on the forum, thanks for bringing some life back to the book discussion sub forums.
Everyone else I know got tired of hearing about Redwall, so my mother found this forum for me.
Lol! Sounds like you just might fit in here! :D