There's so many, I don't like how Rollo is conveyed. And I absolutely HATE Pallum being female.
Pallum being female, Keyla and Tullgrew not getting enough moments together like they did in the book. I didn't mind the romance between Martin and Rose, though. Also, the battles could have been a little longer.
Oh well, it's still a great series.
they turn pallum female? how does that even work?
Like this:
(http://images.wikia.com/redwall/images/1/18/Pallum_TV_Series.png)
They also made his voice feminine.
Quote from: W0NWILL on July 28, 2012, 08:30:38 PM
Like this:
(http://images.wikia.com/redwall/images/1/18/Pallum_TV_Series.png)
They also made his voice feminine.
Ah, yes. When I watched that, I was like 'Is Pallum reeeeally a girl?' Then I found out he wasn't and I was really disgusted.
I hated the Martin/Rose romance, though. Brian Jacques did it right, why change it?
Quote from: Tiria Wildlough on July 28, 2012, 10:16:55 PM
Quote from: W0NWILL on July 28, 2012, 08:30:38 PM
Like this:
(http://images.wikia.com/redwall/images/1/18/Pallum_TV_Series.png)
They also made his voice feminine.
Ah, yes. When I watched that, I was like 'Is Pallum reeeeally a girl?' Then I found out he wasn't and I was really disgusted.
I hated the Martin/Rose romance, though. Brian Jacques did it right, why change it?
I beg to differ on the romance thing. You don't have to like it, but everyone is going to have a different opinion on here, eventually. I didn't mind it. I wouldn't want a movie based entirely on romance though, too much of one thing in a t.v show can grow boring quickly.
Okay. Just as long as you don't LIKE it. :P
I can like the romance thing if I want to, it's freedom of opinion.
That's going to become one of your favourite phrases....
....No, just kidding. ;D
I understand romance a little more because I'm older, when you get older, I'm sure you'll understand the concept ;). Edit: This isn't meant to start a controversy or a fight. If you have anything that you feel you need to confront me about, you can send me a pm. I don't mean any harm here.
That's what they all say, but I don't think I'll ever really like the romance in the TV series. I don't mind romance in books, but the one in the series was just wrong, to me.
Actually, I didn't mind most things. The only thing that got on my nerves was Pallum's gender.
I also hated Felldoh's voice. It doesn't suit him. And it makes him sound much younger than he is.
Quote from: W0NWILL on July 29, 2012, 12:11:24 AM
I also hated Felldoh's voice. It doesn't suit him. And it makes him sound much younger than he is.
Felldoh wasn't meant to be that old. Even reading Martin the Warrior, I never saw Felldoh as particularly old...he acts like he's quite young, brash, emotional. He's older than Brome, we know that. He sounds like a teenager/young adult and that's what he's supposed to be. Ali Mukkadam (his VA) got it correct.
I know that he isn't that old, but I don't see him speaking like that. Compared to the audio book, I think that there could be a better person out there to voice him.
With any studio, (specifically animation ones) you'll often find they rely on certain people contracted to them for voices. Just about everyone in Redwall voiced some other Nelvana characters. Costs would've been much higher (and perhaps there would've been no tv series) if they didn't use who they already had under contract and worked with before.
Ah, I also hate it when people make a good point against me. :) Though I was just listening to Martin the Warrior and there was a line that caught my attention: Felldoh's deep voice came back from the shore. Or something along those lines.
I thought they could have improved on Skalrag's voice a little better. He wasn't a teenager in the book, he was probably in his late twenties early thirties if he would be close to human age. In the show, he sounded squeaky and teenager pitched. His voice is funny, though. It made me laugh :P
Skalrag has a creepy voice in the series. Fits a cowardly character after all. :)
I thought that the whole thing could have been more serious, too.
You probably all knew I was gonna say this sooner or later, but...
SKALRAG'S DEATH WAS THE MOST ANNOYING PART OF THE SHOW FOR ME!!!
That said, I was also bothered by Pallum's gender change. Very strange. I like Skalrag's voice, though...reminds me of Chickenhound. ;D
Quote from: Skalrag of Marshank on July 31, 2012, 01:04:12 AM
You probably all knew I was gonna say this sooner or later, but...
SKALRAG'S DEATH WAS THE MOST ANNOYING PART OF THE SHOW FOR ME!!!
That said, I was also bothered by Pallum's gender change. Very strange. I like Skalrag's voice, though...reminds me of Chickenhound. ;D
The same guy who voiced Chickenhound also voiced Skalrag. I read it on the Redwall Wiki
Aaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh...that makes sense. ;D
Well first of all, I hated the Warden's voice. I don't know maybe it's because I had already watched the farthing wood series and expected the Warden's voice to be like Whistler the Heron's, who's voice is deeper and not as croaky and feeble sounding. :-\
I also hated Pallum's gender change. He was also one of my favs in the book so female Pallum's really annoyed me, as well as the way Ballaw said "Rowan, old-oak."
As well as most of the voices in 'Mattimeo' (except Slagar's) I hated how they made creatures like rats the same size as badgers and hares.....Okay i'm done ranting now! XD
Pallum was ok, for me, I didn't mind too much. Felldohs voice was, In my opinion, well-done, I thought it fit the book character perfectly. What annoyed me the most hands down: the battles. The tv series takes all the epIc battles and BUTCHERS them! For starters the armies are portrayed as too small. (gousim consisted of about 6 shrews??) and the pigmy shrews! There were tons of them in the book! Please recall the movie, there were around 2 of them! And also, what about Felldoh? I recall an epic death in the book where he kills a score of enemies with sticks, laughing the whole time. The movie? 3 or 4 enemies take him down. He doesn't even kill or injure 1
That's because nobody gets killed or injured in cartoons. They just fall down and play dead. ::)
Okay did this make anyone else mad? in the first season especially when they would cut to the tapestry at the end and then again at the begining of the next episode. If you could already see the story why didnt they just look at the tapestry to see what they had to do. i know its a cartoon but there was one instance (cant remeber the episode) where they just walked right past it and you could see the stroyline.
Guess you could say the same about the book...supposedly the tapestry told of the great battles....so you knew you would have a battle of sorts! ;) I never looked at the tapestry in the series that closely. I'd imagine a good majority of those who watched the first season, also have read the book so it was no secret as to what would happen.
And they had a scene where Cluny's horde rats formed a circus, what the heck! That was NOT in the book! >:(
They totally messed up the plot of the original Redwall! There's tons of scenes that aren't in the book, and they don't even introduce Sam until the second-to-last episode!
And Pallum's gender change. That was really annoying.
If I only read this thread, and never had seen the tv series, then I'd think it was downright terrible! Surely there are good things about it. I can't be the only one who had good things to say. :)
Post about the good stuff in this thread: http://redwallabbey.com/forum/index.php?topic=2477.0
Seriously, I can't say that any parts were outstanding. I agree with most of the people in this thread.
Quote from: xxmpxx on August 04, 2012, 08:00:37 PM
Okay did this make anyone else mad? in the first season especially when they would cut to the tapestry at the end and then again at the begining of the next episode. If you could already see the story why didnt they just look at the tapestry to see what they had to do. i know its a cartoon but there was one instance (cant remeber the episode) where they just walked right past it and you could see the stroyline.
I always thought that the tapestry was a kinda unique way of recapping the episode. I thought it was kind of cool. But that's just me. :P
I think people are being a bit picky about what is essentially a public broadcast cartoon done on a budget. Nelvana did a fine job with it, in my opinion. They were responsible for other great children's programming such as Little Bear and Franklin, and I found they brought the same cozy feel to the Redwall series. Sure, they kidded it up a bit, but it had to be to be shown on PBS in the afternoons along with shows like Arthur and Between the Lions. I thought it was an excellent way to get younger viewers interested in a book series they might never pick up otherwise, and to entertain fans of the stories.
They sure could've done a worse job. It was relatively close to the stories, barring a few changed they had to make in order to get it put on TV, and didn't horribly misrepresent them. That's all I would ask of a children's adaptation of anything. I found it entertaining and own several DVDs.
I don't like the whole I am that is thing.
Quote from: Vilu Daskar on August 06, 2012, 09:36:18 PM
I don't like the whole I am that is thing.
That part was okay I guess.
Quote from: Lutra on August 05, 2012, 02:39:42 PM
If I only read this thread, and never had seen the tv series, then I'd think it was downright terrible! Surely there are good things about it. I can't be the only one who had good things to say. :)
Post about the good stuff in this thread: http://redwallabbey.com/forum/index.php?topic=2477.0
There are good things about it, but this
is a topic to complain about everything bad about it.
^ While true, everyone appears to be ignoring the other thread only a couple of posts down. ;) So again, it appears there's very little good to say about the series.
I know this is a topic for voicing complaints about the show, but I do feel like people are judging the show by the wrong standards. As I said above, it is a children's program, which was aired in the afternoons along with other shows geared towards a younger audience. Mr. Jacques even appeared on the show in between segments, so he must have agreed with how they did it in some regard at least.
The animation, to me, didn't feel cheap at all compared to some of the horrifically done children's programming that is popular. It was traditionally done, by Nelvana, who generally puts out quality work. I mean, compare the Redwall show to something like the computer generated animation so popular now, and it's clear which one was done with more care. Nelvana was responsible for a great many lovely programs, such as Franklin, Little Bear, Rupert, Magic School Bus, Babar, etc.
Yes, they took a few liberties (Pallum's gender change, for example), but in the bigger picture it was done with quality animation, good voice acting, and was really quite close to the books. I mean, was the Cluny's Clowns episode really so awful? It wasn't in the book, but it was an interesting concept that could have very well been in the novel. I found it as entertaining as anything else in Redwall.
I just think people are expecting from the program something that it's simply not. It isn't a show geared towards grown people. It's for a younger crowd, which I think was a really wonderful way to get children interested in Redwall when they might not otherwise pick up such a lengthy book. At the same time, it wasn't so kidded up and dumbed down that it lost the magic of the source material, and as such I still find it enjoyable as an adult.
Oh, come on. Can't you let us have our little rant?
Okay, I'm kidding. But this is really a topic to say what we don't like about the TV series. If no one has anything good to say about it, maybe that says something about the series. :P
I hated in the show how when there was a volley of arrows or something it was all lined up perfectly.
Quote from: Tiria Wildlough on August 08, 2012, 10:59:39 PM
If no one has anything good to say about it, maybe that says something about the series. :P
Touché Ms. Wildlough.
Apparently Mr. Jacques thought it was appropriate for his stories otherwise he would not have approved them. Given when they were made, the technology really wasn't there to do anything else than animation. Computer animation has come far since 1999, so some of the complaints about animation could be fixed (the lined up volley of arrows for example).
One more annoying thing was that in the first season when the Abbeybeasts are fighting Cluny's army, you could see arrows sticking in the walls. I know sandstone is softer than other stones, but it's not so soft that arrows can stick in it!
^ Guess I'll have to look more closely next time, but yeah, that's absurd. Either that, or there's lots of levees and cracks in the wall we don't know about.
I found the most annoying parts of the TV series came from the first one based on "Redwall". The whole Wild Ivy and Cluny's Clowns sub-plot- what's up with that?! It didn't add much to the story and just seemed really unneccesary. I would have thought the book was long enough that they didn't have to add extra material to make it fit enough episodes (if that was their thought). I also thought it was a bit strange that, um, the otters weren't wearing any clothes. :P
I thought that they did "Mattimeo" exceptionally well. I like how they seemed to raise the age group it was aimed at and it made it all seem a bit more mature than the first one. It was rated PG in Australia, rather than G. There are also no glaringly obvious differences between the book and show and nothing particularly annoying about it. The most annoying thing from this season would be how they made the Painted Ones look like lemurs. This season was probably my favourite of the three.
"Martin the Warrior" was really good, but there were a few changes which annoyed me. I mean, why did they change Pallum's gender?! And Skalrag, tortured with a feather? Really? His death was very toned down. If they didn't want to show the actual death on screen, couldn't they at least imply how his death was like without making it too intense for kiddies? But, like some others, I didn't mind too much how Rose and Martin's death was portrayed, but Brian did it better.
I'm watching season 1 right now, and I find the characterization of Cornflower to be annoying. She keeps complaining about Matthias and at one point calls him an idiot. This is not the same Cornflower as the one in the book. The book's Cornflower is demure; the TV version is way too feisty.
She is right about him being an idiot at that one scene though. He should have let Jess climb up for Martin's sword, but instead he's trying to do it and almost hurts (if not kills) himself. Besides... She usually complains about him when he forgets to do something he is supposed to do.
Quote from: Myrkin on August 12, 2012, 02:12:23 PM
She is right about him being an idiot at that one scene though. He should have let Jess climb up for Martin's sword, but instead he's trying to do it and almost hurts (if not kills) himself. Besides... She usually complains about him when he forgets to do something he is supposed to do.
True, Matthias is an idiot in the show... unlike in the book. That's another annoying thing.
Sam was grey. I don't know why, but that irks me. Sam was grey yet Jess was red. And Sam did not have a large enough role.
Maybe I'm a bit too Silent Sam obsessed, but those are my thoughts
Quote from: Lutra on August 11, 2012, 11:16:58 AM
Either that, or there's lots of levees and cracks in the wall we don't know about.
Yeah, but what are the chances of an arrow getting stuck in one? I'll get a screenshot when I can.