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I've always wondered if there is (or was) a Rome like empire in the redwall universe that existed long before any of the books take place. You know, like a continent wide gigantic empire. This is all, of course speculation, but think about it. In our world the fall of the roman empire brought about the middle ages so couldn't something similar put the redwallers into the middle age like time they are in? just a thought.
I think if there was it would have been talked about in the records, but maybe.
I think that would make a great fanfiction.
King Mortspear's empire (King Mortspear is Ungatt and Verdauga's father. He's only mentioned briefly but there could have been a large empire for all we know. Not exactly Roman, but still a huge empire)
Somebody had to make the roads and wells and baths!
I don't really think so because in Rome more people/beasts would have a more hierarchy system then what is in place at Redwall.
Quote from: Romsca on February 27, 2013, 09:50:12 PM
King Mortspear's empire (King Mortspear is Ungatt and Verdauga's father. He's only mentioned briefly but there could have been a large empire for all we know. Not exactly Roman, but still a huge empire)
That's a good point! However, we know it didn't reach as far south as Mossflower...or is it as far West! Where was his empire?
It was north I think.
Something tells me such a thing wouldn't really make a whole lot of sense, as the entirety of the Redwall universe is Agrarian. That is, they've proven through multiple points that they're capable of amazing feats of architectural engineering & have several instances of culture- legends, songs, black-smithing, Redwall, Salamandastron, several fortresses, ship building... but, no one really seems to care much. They tend to live in seperation from one another, mainly in shacks, nomadic camps, or caves. There's definitely culture among species, but no organized civilization. Now, you might be able to argue that their society is very much Celtic in nature, but there's still not much said for civilization.
If the Redwall stories are roughly set in a Britain-like shaped setting, then I don't see why it couldn't follow that the other lands would be shaped as they are on Earth, and with that following a similar historical development. 'Stuff' came before the land became medieval and changes would come after. I always thought it would be interesting to see Redwall eventually develop away from the medieval as more discoveries and inventions appeared and so on.
So why not a Roman-esque period? :)
Quote from: MeadowRabbit on July 04, 2013, 12:41:32 PM
If the Redwall stories are roughly set in a Britain-like shaped setting, then I don't see why it couldn't follow that the other lands would be shaped as they are on Earth, and with that following a similar historical development. 'Stuff' came before the land became medieval and changes would come after. I always thought it would be interesting to see Redwall eventually develop away from the medieval as more discoveries and inventions appeared and so on.
So why not a Roman-esque period? :)
A good point. However, I have several things to add.
Redwall is not entirely medieval. Shrews, for instance, have rapiers, a sort of blade that wasn't used much (And was useless) until the Rennesaince. Also, there are only a few instances of full armor. If the world in Redwall isn't parallel to any point in our history, what would make you think that their roots or their future would be the same?
QuoteSo why not a Roman-esque period? :)
And, just as important, why a Greco-Roman period?
^ Good point. Yeah, I guess saying straightforward 'medieval' for Redwall isn't quite right. The timeframe variations between ours and the Redwall world would feed into the future for variations too.
I guess in that line of thought Roman-like time could be at a different time and maybe they're already more advanced than even the actual Romans were, etc. Same for other empires and so on.
^-- Sorry if that doesn't make much sense; I'm not great at articulating my thoughts. :p
I get that ;)
It could be that, as in our world, there was a large empire, but it fell and the Redwall world fell into a sort of "Dark age".
Maybe there is. It would be neat!
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I dont think there was ever anarchy, and it isn't really middle aged, it's like no known era really, undiscovered forts everywhere, stuff like dat. Maybe it coulda been building up to small empires, but the largest claims where minor, the biggest was tsarmina. And that wasnt too big. Anyone know what book was farthest in redwall history, like the farthest forms martins time, which is the oldest recorded.
This is a REALLY interesting idea... I shall get right on the fanfictioning. Mortspear might be a great way to start.
An ancient empire, controlled by a patrician class of felines? Cats want to be emperors anyway, so naming one of them Augustulus would be fun. The reason why there are so many vermin bands around Redwall is because they are the shattered remnant of a mighty force akin to the legions. And at least some of them have discipline.
Yeeeeessssssssssss...
This has such possibilities...
Quote from: Blaggut on August 23, 2013, 05:17:21 AM
Anyone know what book was farthest in redwall history, like the farthest forms martins time, which is the oldest recorded.
The oldest book (chronologically) is
Lord Brocktree
Quote from: Romsca on November 18, 2013, 03:50:41 AM
Quote from: Blaggut on August 23, 2013, 05:17:21 AM
Anyone know what book was farthest in redwall history, like the farthest forms martins time, which is the oldest recorded.
The oldest book (chronologically) is Lord Brocktree
True, it is one of the three Redwall books to not have Redwall exist in its main story line.
Three and a half, technically. :P
Quote from: Darkenmal on November 18, 2013, 06:17:06 PM
Three and a half, technically. :P
What do you mean "three and a half"?
Legend of Luke so that's three and a third actually
Quote from: Jetthebinturong on November 19, 2013, 11:11:14 PM
Legend of Luke so that's three and a third actually
Ah, yes...
I feel as though the Thousand Eye Army is kind of inspired by the roman army. They all have very roman looking armor and they go on patrols just like romans. They certainly aren't as effective or as large as the roman army, but they definitely have aspects of roman in them.
I definitely could see a Roman-like empire in Redwall.
Quote from: clunylooney on June 10, 2020, 05:05:36 PM
I feel as though the Thousand Eye Army is kind of inspired by the roman army. They all have very roman looking armor and they go on patrols just like romans. They certainly aren't as effective or as large as the roman army, but they definitely have aspects of roman in them.
Well I mean lol, most armies did send out regular patrols
Where do you remember seeing roman like armor? Might be interesting to look into
Quote from: Tungro on June 11, 2020, 12:53:55 PM
Quote from: clunylooney on June 10, 2020, 05:05:36 PM
I feel as though the Thousand Eye Army is kind of inspired by the roman army. They all have very roman looking armor and they go on patrols just like romans. They certainly aren't as effective or as large as the roman army, but they definitely have aspects of roman in them.
Well I mean lol, most armies did send out regular patrols
Where do you remember seeing roman like armor? Might be interesting to look into
I just love the book series Asterix so when I think of armies that go on patrol I remember the romans from Asterix. In Asterix, you have romans invading houses looking for the Gauls and in Mossflower you have a similar thing except they are just stealing food. As for the armor, on the redwall wiki there is a picture on the page about the thousand eye army where they have armor that resembles that of roman armor:
https://redwall.fandom.com/wiki/Thousand_Eye_Army
Well I mean forceful entrance and manipulation, for lack of a better word, was pretty universal
Quote from: Tungro on June 11, 2020, 06:31:02 PM
Well I mean forceful entrance and manipulation, for lack of a better word, was pretty universal
Touche
Most character in the Redwall series are based of things in BJ's life, so it is very likely that some things were based off the Roman empire.