Changes you'd make

[Kitsune]

No hair (human hair on the head). It just looks weird.

[MeadowR]

^ I'd agree with that! That wasn't intended in the books, as they were still meant to look pretty natural as animals, so it's a bit odd for the series.

[JangoCoolguy]

No hair (human hair on the head). It just looks weird.

How so??? Examples, please

[Blazemane]

How so??? Examples, please

I think it happens mostly in Martin the Warrior:





Personally, I'll admit that the idea of animating animals with head-hair sounds like a bad one to me, too. But somehow, the way the artists managed it in the show actually doesn't bother me too badly.

[JangoCoolguy]

^ Not to mention Clogg's dreadlocks 

Personally, I'll admit that the idea of animating animals with head-hair sounds like a bad one to me, too. But somehow, the way the artists managed it in the show actually doesn't bother me too badly.

I think it works. Helps them stand out and tell them apart.

[MeadowR]

The badger looks okay with long hair in that picture, but Rose doesn't. Maybe because the hair colour is the same as her fur so it's like a weird random growth of fur behind the head.

[JangoCoolguy]

Loamhedge

- A brief opening scene or flashback about Lonna's initial encounter with Raga Bol
- Imply that Bragoon & Saro were back at Redwall for a few days. I know I wouldn't come home only to almost immediately head out on a dangerous journey. Plus, this would give their relationship with Martha more depth
- When old Phredd talks about the events of Mattimeo, a mini-flashback is in order!
- Cut one of the weasel archers. One could do the job just fine
- Have said weasel archer killed by the sea rats for killing Junty. It amazes me that Jacques let vermin get away with murder, especially of an Abbey dweller! Plus, it would be a good way to make Badredd's gang bow before a superior pimp!
- Make Horty a little less obnoxious
- Maybe cut Toobledum  
- Cut the bit with the vulture and riddles.
- Maybe cut the Guoraf, who may just be the most pointless shrew group ever
- An otter who's an anagram of Arbruc, Shoredog and Garfo
- Have the returning questers break the news about Bragoon & Saro to the Abbey beasts, which would be more emotional, appropriate and sensible than it being reported by shrews who weren't even there
- Cut the encounter with the adder, or have Bragoon & Saro kill it instead of a random vulture (which would be cool)
- Somehow SHOW Martin telling Lonna that the sea rats are at Redwall
- Let the returning questers bring Cosbro back to Redwall with them. The poor old fellow kinda deserves it, ya know? Especially since almost everybeast else who's had a hard life get to live happily ever after in the abbey (Man, Jacques must've really *bleep* hated rabbits)
- When the heroes first cross the Abyss, have the later mentioned 3 guards actually attack them and be killed to better introduce Kharanjul & his horde. Speaking of which, have Kharanjul have that sweet "double voice" he had in the audiobook
- Have one rat go after Flinky's gang instead of two to make Lonna look like less of a jerk. Would even use it to give the gang a different send off
- Have Kharanjul deliver the fatal blow. It could go like this: just as Bragoon & Saro send the bridge tumbling down, Kharanjul swipes at them with his trident as he goes down (maybe in slow motion)
- Cut having Martha save Abbot Carrul and have her walk much later after hearing the verse Bragoon & Saro wrote. Never liked how she just randomly started walking because the plot "needed" it, and I know I'm not alone. And I feel it would be more appropriate she walk because of the cure that was promised to her.

[JangoCoolguy]

Taggerung

- Make Tagg more ambiguous/rough around the edges. He'd been raised by vermin most of his life, so he needs to act like it. Heck, he was more goody-goody than most of the otters in this series!
- Cut Madd and Botarus
- By extension, cut Fwirl's backstory. Or at least simplify it
- Shorten and streamline the hunt for those cloth stripes around the abbey. Maybe even cut it altogether..
- Cut Ruskem
- Have Antigra lead the search party. She killed Sawney, so it's only fitting she take his place as main villain. Especially since she was so ambitious and vengeful. Shoot, it could even work to have her nudge Gruven into being smarter, meaner and more ambitious.
- Have Ribrow killed while trying to escape
- Cut Grobait
- Cut Ruggan Bor & the Juskabor. It was too late in the story to introduce major characters and he left as suddenly as he entered...and was defeated by a deus ex machine to boot! Maybe have Gruven lead an attack on Redwall instead?
- Maybe cut the bankvoles
- Likely cut Broggle's stutter
-SHOW the Dillypins vending off the vermin
- Have Deyna come back from Rukky Garge sooner. Or just cut her all together and let the Redwallers fix him up. Seemed dumb to me to call in a specialist--especially so late in the story--when Redwall could've had some beasts in its population who could likely do the same job.

[Cornflower MM]

I would take out the whole circus thing they added in Redwall. It was good, but it was kind of a much used new girl comes in which makes old girl jealous.

Yeah, so would I...I mean, there was NEVER a circus in the book!

[Jewel Thief]

Dude, Jango, what you're saying is EXACTLY WHY I don't WANT to see any other Redwall Tales turned into TV.
Cut even a little out, and you're killing the book itself, killing all the emotion, the suspense, the beauty, the sights and tastes and smells, and replacing it with washed-out, TV-beloved garbage. Especially the "Cut the Riddles and Poems" one, and only because some viewers might get a little bored waiting TWO FRIGGIN MINUTES to hear it? Redwall lives and breathes riddles and poems, mate-You'd be one heck of a good, if not cutthroat screenwriter, but IF YOU EVER GET THE RIGHTS TO THIS SERIES AND YOU'RE IN THAT POSITION, DON'T TEAR APART THE SERIES, no matter how "popular" and "kiddie-friendly" they'll be.
Leave them as books, or as very lengthy HBO-style episodes, or as audio-recordings, BUT NOT LIKE THIS.
Don't go Nelvana on this, brother...

[Wylder Treejumper]

the problem with turning books into movies is that it is impossible to make a good movie and leave the storyline intact- it happens with every adaption: Harry Potter, *shudder* Eragon, etc.

Also, a movie will never be as pure as the story in the readers' imagination, just as the book will never be as pure in words as it is in the writer's mind.

[JangoCoolguy]

Dude, Jango, what you're saying is EXACTLY WHY I don't WANT to see any other Redwall Tales turned into TV.
Cut even a little out, and you're killing the book itself, killing all the emotion, the suspense, the beauty, the sights and tastes and smells, and replacing it with washed-out, TV-beloved garbage. Especially the "Cut the Riddles and Poems" one, and only because some viewers might get a little bored waiting TWO FRIGGIN MINUTES to hear it? Redwall lives and breathes riddles and poems, mate-You'd be one heck of a good, if not cutthroat screenwriter, but IF YOU EVER GET THE RIGHTS TO THIS SERIES AND YOU'RE IN THAT POSITION, DON'T TEAR APART THE SERIES, no matter how "popular" and "kiddie-friendly" they'll be.
Leave them as books, or as very lengthy HBO-style episodes, or as audio-recordings, BUT NOT LIKE THIS.

Don't go Nelvana on this, brother...

I'm sorry you feel that way, but that's just the way it is. What works in a novel does not work on screen. Like, oh...how Jacques would put key information in the very prose, which ONLY works in a book.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: the Tales of Redwall are about cute & cuddly (and not so cute and cuddly) animals literally going medieval on each other with a lot of death and violence...which only got worse as the series went on (in the end even the Redwallers were borderline dicks who didn't mind killing in the least   ). That's a big part of the keeps the series from being more popular and that needs to be fixed for other media. I actually LIKE how the TV Show made the stories less barbarous and bloody than the books, but still had characters play for keeps.

You bring up all the poems & riddles taking "two friggin' minutes"? That's two minutes that could be moving the plot forward or giving someone development. Plus, it would be a LOT more than 2 minutes because there are ton of those things and those minutes would REALLY add up. Heck, I get annoyed with some of those in the books/audiobooks.

You don't like my ideas? Then stick to the source material. These specially are made with people who haven't read the books in mind.

Every book MUST go through such changes to be more streamlined and cinematic...though some changes go better than others.

You mention "lengthy HBO-style episodes", but there are many differences--however small & subtle--between Game of Thrones and A Song of Ice and Fire...
(GoT will soon end up becoming a different story from the books, Fullmetal Alchemist style!)

[Jetthebinturong]

I personally would NOT want a kiddie Redwall show like Nelvana did, I'd want it as violent and heartbreaking as the books, like the British Watership Down movie

- Like Nelvana before me, make things less violent and brutal while still letting characters play for keeps.

Already addressed this one

- Make various performances, songs, games, and stuff for fun shorter or just plain cut.

For some I agree, others I don't

- Giving minor characters bigger roles or just plain cutting them.

If you cut the minor characters it'll remove all the worldbuilding, minor characters make it seem like the world actually could exist

- Making riddles shorter and solved sooner. Book readers (and video game players) may have time and tolerance for that, but not most TV viewers.

Then TV viewers need some darn patience! Riddles and puzzles are the very soul of Redwall and are usually the thing that drives the plot

- Make conversations less shorter & more to the point.

First of all "less shorter" means longer and to which point exactly? Exposition? Plot drive? Cutting everything that makes the books what they are?

Mossflower, let's see

- Change the prologue and epilogue from Bella telling the story to Gonff Jr. to Grandpa Matthias telling it to little Martin II

No, I don't want a continuation of the Nelvana series, the way they handled prologues and epilogues was terrible

- Do more with the Gloomer. In fact, I think it would work better if he took Stormfin with him. Stormfin was never seen again after that, so may as well kill him off to let Gloomer live up to some of the hype.

I disagree but I think they should actually show us the fight and possibly make it longer

- A reference to make Ripfang the same one from Lord Brocktree. I know Jacques himself said that they were different people, but I really don't understand why not make them one and the same.

Not really possible unless a Lord Brocktree is made before it

- When Argular first appears, Tsarmina and Ashleg have an expositionary conversation about him and he retreats after a couple of close shots from Tsarmina (may describe in more detail later)

First off *Argulor, secondly this is one of the few things I agree with you on

- Have Fortuna shot as she makes her back to Kotir in a good mood and talking about a brighter future instead of begging for her life.

No, the begging for her life scene shows how weak-willed and ready to betray she is

- Up the romance between Gonff and Columbine

Why? It's not primarily going to be tween girls who love romance watching these, I'll tell you that now

- Show the bats rescuing Martin & Co., and maybe have them conscious when it happens.

Yes to the first, no to the second

- Have them kill the owl at Mount Batpit instead of chasing it off. Still have Dinny take out its roost, but let Martin and Lord Cayvear distract it in an action scene.

Supremely OOC

- Martin's backstory reworked to incorporate elements from Martin the Warrior and maybe the Legend of Luke

Reworked? No, the whole point of that was that "Martin is lying to these people because the past is too painful"

Outcast

- a brief flashback explaining how Sunflash was captured by Swarrt when he left to fight the Army of a Thousand Eyes. Surely I'm not the only one curious about how he traded one goal for another like that.

Yeah, that makes sense

- Cut the Wraith. That was just pointless.

Nah, I like the Wraith, he's an interesting character

- Replace Warpclaw with Zigu. Why have two shortlived pirates with small roles when you can have one with a decent sized one?

I can't remember who Warpclaw is so I don't really care

- Have Balefur, Shamus Damsontongue  & their clan be the foxes harassing the Lingl-Dubbo family, then join Swarrt to help get revenge.

First of all, her name is just Sham, second, no their story was good. One thing I would change would be to show the Gorge Foxes fighting the crows

- Rework Balefur's death by having Swarrt pretend to submit to him, then lead him to the quarry. For the cherry on top, the last thing Balefur does is call out to Swarrt for help, only for the ferret to smile and leave just before the adders attack.

No, it was fine as it was, the "he dies a coward" thing was the point

- On the flipside, have Balefur survive to fill in Brool & Renn's role

Nah, Balefur has to die

- Do more with poor Bluefin. I was thinking of having her first appear as her father's timid servant, have her react sadly to his death. Have her survive that harsh winter, but be weak. She'd carry Veil's litter instead of an anonymous old ratwife. Have her suffer the same fate, but barely survive. The woodlanders take her to Redwall, where she dies as Bryony is tending to her. Her last words are to take care of her baby, which would provide a stronger, more interesting motivation for Bryony to care for Veil.

Yeah, I like this one

- Make Veil more morally ambiguous.

What do you mean? He seemed pretty ambiguous to me

- Cut Wildag and Lardtail, especially because of their deaths

Since I want a darker, grittier tone to the TV series, I'd leave this in

- Cut Krakulat and the gang war between him and Swarrt. It just felt like busy work

No, that bit was fun

- Cut that bit with the juvenile reptiles

No, that was important to actually establish Sunflash as strong and powerful

- Cut Bryony's encounter with the robin

Don't remember that bit

- Cut the annoying watervole

Is that the "Smashed to ferrety bits" one? If so, I'd keep him, he's insane and cruel

- Maybe cut Folrig & Ruddle

No I love those two

- Cut Wudbeak and have Skalrath tell the Redwallers about what's happening at Salamandastron while recruiting otters & squirrels. Might even go so far as to cut the characters who showed up to help at the battle and let Skipperjo, Redfarl, and Jodd appear among the reinforcements.

Don't really care about this one but I'd rather keep as close to the books as possible

- Have Bryony cope with Veil's death in a better way besides throwing him under the bus.

Meh

- Have the Prologue and Epilogue feature Russano in place of Rilbrook

No, Rilbrook's cool

[JangoCoolguy]

I personally would NOT want a kiddie Redwall show like Nelvana did, I'd want it as violent and heartbreaking as the books, like the British Watership Down movie

You realize that plenty of adults don't want violent and heartbreaking, let alone kids, right?

And you realize that the WSD movie is very different from the book, right?

- Giving minor characters bigger roles or just plain cutting them.

If you cut the minor characters it'll remove all the worldbuilding, minor characters make it seem like the world actually could exist

One can easily build the world without a lot of nigh-pointless, forgettable characters cluttering up the place

- Making riddles shorter and solved sooner. Book readers (and video game players) may have time and tolerance for that, but not most TV viewers.

Then TV viewers need some darn patience! Riddles and puzzles are the very soul of Redwall and are usually the thing that drives the plot

Redwall's very soul is its characters & stories, not puzzle game nonsense that would be in danger of being a chore to watch. And it's the characters and their actions that drive the plot.

- Make conversations less shorter & more to the point.

First of all "less shorter" means longer and to which point exactly? Exposition? Plot drive? Cutting everything that makes the books what they are?

To keep the action going. The previous TV show did us the favor of making characters a little less chatty. More talk, less rock! You say cutting everything that makes the books what they are? Well, I say the books would be better without whole paragraphs--sometimes the better part of a chapter--of people standing around chatting.

- Change the prologue and epilogue from Bella telling the story to Gonff Jr. to Grandpa Matthias telling it to little Martin II

No, I don't want a continuation of the Nelvana series, the way they handled prologues and epilogues was terrible

Who ever said anything about a continuation That's ship's sailed, sunk and become a coral reef. I'm just really wanted to throw in a cameo by beloved character (not to mention help set up Pearls of Lutra)

- A reference to make Ripfang the same one from Lord Brocktree. I know Jacques himself said that they were different people, but I really don't understand why not make them one and the same.

Not really possible unless a Lord Brocktree is made before it

Oh, it could come later like the book  . Besides, it would only be a line or two the viewers/non-fans wouldn't get anyways

- Have Fortuna shot as she makes her back to Kotir in a good mood and talking about a brighter future instead of begging for her life.

No, the begging for her life scene shows how weak-willed and ready to betray she is

There are plenty of scenes that can do that--as well her talking about being rewarded for selling CORIM out--without the woodlanders murdering an unarmed, pleading old lady

- Martin's backstory reworked to incorporate elements from Martin the Warrior and maybe the Legend of Luke

Reworked? No, the whole point of that was that "Martin is lying to these people because the past is too painful"

Really   I hadn't heard that. I thought it was Jacques inability to ties tales together better...

- Cut the Wraith. That was just pointless.

Nah, I like the Wraith, he's an interesting character

Interesting yes, significant no. Take out that scene the story would still be the same. Not to mention there's something awkward about having a supposedly [cool person] stealth assassin go down like Wile E. Coyote -_-

- Have Balefur, Shamus Damsontongue  & their clan be the foxes harassing the Lingl-Dubbo family, then join Swarrt to help get revenge.

First of all, her name is just Sham, second, no their story was good. One thing I would change would be to show the Gorge Foxes fighting the crows

How did I ever imply their story was bad
I'm just trying to give them a bigger role in more depth. For example, they probably wish they'd had some metal weapons to have dealt with Sunflash. Plus, Swarrt encountering other vermin who'd encountered Sunflash could hopefully help beef up his role. (This is why I think Warpclaw should be replaced by Zigu)

- Rework Balefur's death by having Swarrt pretend to submit to him, then lead him to the quarry. For the cherry on top, the last thing Balefur does is call out to Swarrt for help, only for the ferret to smile and leave just before the adders attack.

No, it was fine as it was, the "he dies a coward" thing was the point

Oh, he'd still die a coward all right. Whatever made you think I suggested otherwise? It's just he'd help make Swarrt a better villain while he's at it.

- Make Veil more morally ambiguous.

What do you mean? He seemed pretty ambiguous to me

He acted more like a like a thieving, murderous punk who had it coming than the conflicted character the description hinted at. I'm very glad you saw him as ambiguous, but most of the time I saw just another vermin...

- Cut that bit with the juvenile reptiles

No, that was important to actually establish Sunflash as strong and powerful

Dude, almost EVERY scene with Sunflash establishes that he's strong and powerful...

[Cornflower MM]

Jango....I'm getting the feeling that I don't like your perspective on the Redwall books and TV series AT. ALL. PERIOD.