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Poll
Question: What is your LEAST favorite "good" race?
Option 1: Otter votes: 3
Option 2: Hare votes: 6
Option 3: Squirrel votes: 4
Option 4: Mice votes: 8
Option 5: Mole votes: 10
Option 6: Hedgehog votes: 19
Option 7: Shrew votes: 16
Option 8: Badger votes: 8
Title: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: Blaggut on August 22, 2013, 07:56:22 AM
What is your least favorite "good" race? I'd have too choose otter... Because my fav character is a reformed rat and otters are very racist. Please choose for any reason, like lack of characters, usaul personality, racism, etc.
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: Shadowed One on August 22, 2013, 12:24:25 PM
Vole. There are so many evil voles!
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: MeadowR on August 22, 2013, 02:24:28 PM
With a little thought, ultimately I'd say the voles as they're not always that nice.
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: Emperor Ublaz on August 22, 2013, 03:58:02 PM
The hares are gluttonous, which makes them annoying.
:-X
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: Tam and Martin on August 22, 2013, 04:12:51 PM
VOLES!!!!!!! THY ARE SOOOOO IRRITATING! All except three.
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: Vilu Daskar on August 22, 2013, 04:20:59 PM
I don't like any voles accept Yoofus 
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: Blaggut on August 22, 2013, 05:47:13 PM
Lol never seen people rage on voles... And I like the hare glutton parts, makes good comic relief but confuses me when later their all grim and deadly.
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: Blaggut on August 22, 2013, 05:50:54 PM
Also voles are pretty good, that one in pearls of luta who was kidnapped, and that vole in.. Uh... The sable queen!
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: Ungatt Trunn on August 22, 2013, 06:35:36 PM
There is already a topic for this.
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: The Shade on August 22, 2013, 06:37:03 PM
Voles. Deifinatly. Evil, little voles.
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: Blaggut on August 22, 2013, 07:22:04 PM
Perhaps I should get rid of the vole option? It's winning to much? I'm not gonna do it if you guys don't want me to, so plz tell me if you do or don't plz
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: Blaggut on August 22, 2013, 09:58:30 PM
If I get rid of vole I'm replacing it with sumthin else.
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: Faiyloe on August 22, 2013, 10:05:17 PM
Please don't double post you can just edit your post.
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: Blaggut on August 22, 2013, 10:37:36 PM
Faiy I didn't know dat, and it's not harming anything, plus this is not one of yo threads.
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: HeadInAnotherGalaxy on August 22, 2013, 11:48:58 PM
It doeznae matter vho'z topic tiz. Tiz a forum rule zat ye zhouldnae double-pozt. Unlezz ye are revivin' an auld topic, or juzt bumbin' vone tae find oot if anyvone iz ztill daein' it, or tiz juzt a zpam topic zat iz okay viz it, ye really zhouldnae double pozt.
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: Maudie on August 23, 2013, 01:17:49 AM
Yes, HIAG is right. ;)
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: WildDoogyPlumm on August 23, 2013, 01:26:27 AM
I don't think I really have one...the thing is, out of the species on this list, if you think of one as being "bad", there's always somebeast that shatters that belief.
Like voles: there are some very good voles such as Burble.
And hares: there are plenty of Salamandastron officers who aren't gluttonous, and extremely gallant.
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: Blaggut on August 23, 2013, 04:14:31 AM
Ok then, sorry. And wild, some beasts may fight for the good side, but that does not mean they're rational, ethical beats.
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: MeadowR on August 23, 2013, 03:13:34 PM
Quote from: Emperor Ublaz on August 22, 2013, 03:58:02 PM
The hares are gluttonous, which makes them annoying.
:-X

I have to say, sometimes I lack patience with the continuous greedy hares. It's almost exhausting to read! :D
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: WildDoogyPlumm on August 23, 2013, 06:49:38 PM
Quote from: MeadowRabbit on August 23, 2013, 03:13:34 PM
Quote from: Emperor Ublaz on August 22, 2013, 03:58:02 PM
The hares are gluttonous, which makes them annoying.
:-X

I have to say, sometimes I lack patience with the continuous greedy hares. It's almost exhausting to read! :D
COUGH Scarum COUGH
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: HeadInAnotherGalaxy on August 23, 2013, 06:59:15 PM
Ah really dinnae 'ave a leazt favourite, good or bad. Ah like av o' ze creaturez, an' really zere iz nay zuch zin' az a "bad" creature.
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: Blaggut on August 23, 2013, 07:21:28 PM
I'm not saying that. Just that I don't like some very much.
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: Vilu Daskar on August 24, 2013, 05:18:58 PM
Scarum is one of my least favorite hares
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: Tam and Martin on August 25, 2013, 09:39:00 PM
Scarum is a HORRIBLE hare! I love most hares! It was him who was the first I didn't like.
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: Blaggut on August 26, 2013, 06:20:32 AM
Who is scarum?
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: Tam and Martin on August 26, 2013, 02:23:39 PM
Quote from: Blaggut on August 26, 2013, 06:20:32 AM
Who is scarum?
He's a Hare from The redwall book Triss.
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: Aldeneg on August 26, 2013, 02:54:41 PM
I actually didn't mind Scarum much. I mean, he was pretty gluttonous, not to mention selfish, and annoying... ahem. But he was different from the other hares. I mean, the hares are my favorites in Redwall, but even I have to admit, they all seemed to be almost the same. And Scarum did add comedy to Triss.
But I'll admit, he is probably my least favorite hare out of all of them. XD
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: rachel25 on August 26, 2013, 03:39:18 PM
I vote voles b/c they are most of the time bad but with some exceptions  ;)
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: Blaggut on August 27, 2013, 03:31:09 AM
I remember scarum, I loved him!
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: Tam and Martin on August 28, 2013, 12:57:42 PM
Quote from: Blaggut on August 27, 2013, 03:31:09 AM
I remember scarum, I loved him!
Scarum? Are you sure you are thinking of the right person?
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: Blaggut on August 29, 2013, 12:01:34 AM
Yeah, the very glutton hate in trips who traveled with that otter and other person. And ate some nomad place outa Ouse and ome
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: Tam and Martin on August 29, 2013, 08:30:52 PM
Quote from: Blaggut on August 29, 2013, 12:01:34 AM
Yeah, the very glutton hate in trips who traveled with that otter and other person. And ate some nomad place outa Ouse and ome
YES!! THAT IRRITATING PERSON!
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: Sailears on August 30, 2013, 01:30:34 AM
Scarum's a disgrace, but he's not evil. And he does have some moments where he redeems himself.

Where are shrews not on that poll? And why voles - they're pretty minor.

I'd vote shrews or hedgehogs. Most likely hedgehogs actually, as I can only name one or two hedgehog characters I like - Tansy being the main.
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: Leatho Shellhound on August 30, 2013, 01:51:59 AM

Voles, for reason said above ^^

Quote from: Blaggut on August 22, 2013, 07:56:22 AM
What is your least favorite "good" race? I'd have too choose otter... Because my fav character is a reformed rat and otters are very racist. Please choose for any reason, like lack of characters, usaul personality, racism, etc.

:o Otters are the best!
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: Blaggut on August 30, 2013, 07:17:05 AM
I am now replacing voles with shrews, sorry! All votes r reset
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: Tam and Martin on August 30, 2013, 01:01:13 PM
Now that Voles aren't on the poll, I'm going for Hedgehog.
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: MeadowR on August 30, 2013, 03:06:15 PM
Hodgehegs (intentional misspelling for random reasons!) can be a bit dull. Ambrose Spike, for example, doesn't do a lot really. I'm not a massive hedgehog fan in general, but same goes for moles, although they do make more interesting characters.
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: The Shade on August 31, 2013, 08:56:41 PM
Quote from: MeadowRabbit on August 30, 2013, 03:06:15 PM
Hodgehegs (intentional misspelling for random reasons!) can be a bit dull. Ambrose Spike, for example, doesn't do a lot really. I'm not a massive hedgehog fan in general, but same goes for moles, although they do make more interesting characters.

I have to agree with that. When met, hedgehogs can be very agressive too.
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: JangoCoolguy on October 24, 2013, 12:40:21 AM
Shrews, who can be just as murderous as the vermin they fight.

They claim to be defending their possessions, families, and homeland, which would be fine if they didn't feel compelled to kill every single vermin they see.

There's defending what you care about and then there's needlessly killing beasts who are retreating or surrendered.
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: BadgerLordFiredrake on October 24, 2013, 12:51:50 AM
Tie between shrews, mice, and voles.

Shrews for the reason above.

Mice because they seem "generic".

Voles?  They're more of a gray race...
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: Blaggut on October 24, 2013, 02:19:56 AM
Quote from: JangoBadass on October 24, 2013, 12:40:21 AM
Shrews, who can be just as murderous as the vermin they fight.

They claim to be defending their possessions, families, and homeland, which would be fine if they didn't feel compelled to kill every single vermin they see.

There's defending what you care about and then there's needlessly killing beasts who are retreating or surrendered.

Simaler reason I don't like otters.
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: Romsca on November 04, 2013, 03:58:42 AM
I DON'T LIKE HARES! Same reasons as above, plus they have the most annoying personality ever! Harespeech is also disgustingly annoying :-X
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: Ungatt Trunn on November 04, 2013, 04:33:29 AM
Moles...its not that I think they were bad creatures, just they are at the bottom of my good guy list.
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: HeadInAnotherGalaxy on November 04, 2013, 03:16:05 PM
Quote from: Romsca on November 04, 2013, 03:58:42 AM
I DON'T LIKE HARES! Same reasons as above, plus they have the most annoying personality ever! Harespeech is also disgustingly annoying :-X

More zan mine?
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: Ungatt Trunn on November 04, 2013, 06:48:40 PM
Quote from: HeadInAnotherGalaxy on November 04, 2013, 03:16:05 PM
Quote from: Romsca on November 04, 2013, 03:58:42 AM
I DON'T LIKE HARES! Same reasons as above, plus they have the most annoying personality ever! Harespeech is also disgustingly annoying :-X

More zan mine?
Probably. XD ;D
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: Romsca on November 08, 2013, 09:44:22 PM
Quote from: HeadInAnotherGalaxy on November 04, 2013, 03:16:05 PM
Quote from: Romsca on November 04, 2013, 03:58:42 AM
I DON'T LIKE HARES! Same reasons as above, plus they have the most annoying personality ever! Harespeech is also disgustingly annoying :-X

More zan mine?

Yes. I. Hate. Harespeech.
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: Ungatt Trunn on November 08, 2013, 10:13:33 PM
Quote from: Romsca on November 08, 2013, 09:44:22 PM
Quote from: HeadInAnotherGalaxy on November 04, 2013, 03:16:05 PM
Quote from: Romsca on November 04, 2013, 03:58:42 AM
I DON'T LIKE HARES! Same reasons as above, plus they have the most annoying personality ever! Harespeech is also disgustingly annoying :-X

More zan mine?

Yes. I. Hate. Harespeech.
I think hare speech is okay. Kind of what makes a hare a hare.
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: Osu on November 10, 2013, 02:29:05 AM
Moved to Character Discussion.
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: Ungatt Trunn on November 10, 2013, 04:03:34 AM
Quote from: Osu on November 10, 2013, 02:29:05 AM
Moved to Character Discussion.
Alrighty...
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: The Shade on November 10, 2013, 08:50:32 PM
Its been a while since I voted, before I voted for mole, although now I would voted for mouse.
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: Ungatt Trunn on November 10, 2013, 08:59:49 PM
Quote from: The Shade on November 10, 2013, 08:50:32 PM
Its been a while since I voted, before I voted for mole, although now I would voted for mouse.
Why mice? Mice are okay.
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: Banya Streamdog on November 10, 2013, 11:12:46 PM
 I did hedgehogs.
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: Tam and Martin on November 10, 2013, 11:56:24 PM
Quote from: Banya Streamdog on November 10, 2013, 11:12:46 PM
I did hedgehogs.
Yay!
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: Ungatt Trunn on November 11, 2013, 03:36:51 PM
Quote from: Tam and Martin on November 10, 2013, 11:56:24 PM
Quote from: Banya Streamdog on November 10, 2013, 11:12:46 PM
I did hedgehogs.
Yay!
Yay?
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: The Shade on November 11, 2013, 09:21:30 PM
Quote from: Ungatt Trunn on November 10, 2013, 08:59:49 PM
Quote from: The Shade on November 10, 2013, 08:50:32 PM
Its been a while since I voted, before I voted for mole, although now I would voted for mouse.
Why mice? Mice are okay.
I know, its they are my least favorite.
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: Ungatt Trunn on November 11, 2013, 11:04:29 PM
Quote from: The Shade on November 11, 2013, 09:21:30 PM
Quote from: Ungatt Trunn on November 10, 2013, 08:59:49 PM
Quote from: The Shade on November 10, 2013, 08:50:32 PM
Its been a while since I voted, before I voted for mole, although now I would voted for mouse.
Why mice? Mice are okay.
I know, its they are my least favorite.
Alright.
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: Tam and Martin on November 12, 2013, 05:24:40 PM
Quote from: Ungatt Trunn on November 11, 2013, 03:36:51 PM
Quote from: Tam and Martin on November 10, 2013, 11:56:24 PM
Quote from: Banya Streamdog on November 10, 2013, 11:12:46 PM
I did hedgehogs.
Yay!
Yay?
I voted for Hedgehogs also.
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: Ungatt Trunn on November 12, 2013, 06:38:57 PM
Quote from: Tam and Martin on November 12, 2013, 05:24:40 PM
Quote from: Ungatt Trunn on November 11, 2013, 03:36:51 PM
Quote from: Tam and Martin on November 10, 2013, 11:56:24 PM
Quote from: Banya Streamdog on November 10, 2013, 11:12:46 PM
I did hedgehogs.
Yay!
Yay?
I voted for Hedgehogs also.
I know, but why are you cheering for you both having the same most underrated good guy species? ;D
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: Tam and Martin on November 13, 2013, 01:45:22 AM
Quote from: Ungatt Trunn on November 12, 2013, 06:38:57 PM
Quote from: Tam and Martin on November 12, 2013, 05:24:40 PM
Quote from: Ungatt Trunn on November 11, 2013, 03:36:51 PM
Quote from: Tam and Martin on November 10, 2013, 11:56:24 PM
Quote from: Banya Streamdog on November 10, 2013, 11:12:46 PM
I did hedgehogs.
Yay!
Yay?
I voted for Hedgehogs also.
I know, but why are you cheering for you both having the same most underrated good guy species? ;D
I like all the good guys but you have to choose one so it is better to be a hedgehog which is underrated rather than a hare or otter.
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: Ungatt Trunn on November 13, 2013, 04:37:52 AM
Quote from: Tam and Martin on November 13, 2013, 01:45:22 AM
Quote from: Ungatt Trunn on November 12, 2013, 06:38:57 PM
Quote from: Tam and Martin on November 12, 2013, 05:24:40 PM
Quote from: Ungatt Trunn on November 11, 2013, 03:36:51 PM
Quote from: Tam and Martin on November 10, 2013, 11:56:24 PM
Quote from: Banya Streamdog on November 10, 2013, 11:12:46 PM
I did hedgehogs.
Yay!
Yay?
I voted for Hedgehogs also.
I know, but why are you cheering for you both having the same most underrated good guy species? ;D
I like all the good guys but you have to choose one so it is better to be a hedgehog which is underrated rather than a hare or otter.
Alright.
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: Starla1431 on November 13, 2013, 07:03:36 PM
I don't like shrews for the same reason someone has mentioned above. And I don't like hares because they all kind of act the same. (Except Rake Nightfur)

Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: Ungatt Trunn on November 13, 2013, 07:11:19 PM
Quote from: Starla1431 on November 13, 2013, 07:03:36 PM
I don't like shrews for the same reason someone has mentioned above. And I don't like hares because they all kind of act the same. (Except Rake Nightfur)


Rake Nightfur was ASWOME!
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: The Shade on November 14, 2013, 10:17:49 AM
No one has chosen badger. Interesting...
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: Ungatt Trunn on November 14, 2013, 04:02:44 PM
Quote from: The Shade on November 14, 2013, 10:17:49 AM
No one has chosen badger. Interesting...
If they did, Orlando or Brocktree would start hunting them down until justice was done. ;D
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: Russa Nodrey on February 25, 2014, 09:09:38 PM
I detest voles, if they were on the poll I would have voted for them.

Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: Tam and Martin on February 26, 2014, 02:37:02 PM
Quote from: Russa Nodrey on February 25, 2014, 09:09:38 PM
I detest voles, if they were on the pole I would have voted for them.
IKR???!!! They are nasty!
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: Dannflower Reguba on February 26, 2014, 04:12:44 PM
Only reason they aren't would probably be that they're more neutral than good.... And probably because they'd have all the votes.  :D
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: Starla1431 on February 26, 2014, 04:23:18 PM
I also don't like moles. They're pretty boring.
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: Tam and Martin on February 26, 2014, 07:21:00 PM
Quote from: Starla1431 on February 26, 2014, 04:23:18 PM
I also don't like moles. They're pretty boring.
Uh....Moles are good at some points. I'd prefer Moles over Hedgehogs though!
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: Norham Waterpaw on February 27, 2014, 12:18:54 AM
Voles. Nuff said.
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: Russa Nodrey on February 27, 2014, 11:49:55 PM
Quote from: Starla1431 on February 26, 2014, 04:23:18 PM
I also don't like moles. They're pretty boring.

What do you mean? I love moles!
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: The Skarzs on February 27, 2014, 11:50:13 PM
Pygmy shrews. Those stinking sons of. . .
Hate 'em.
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: Tam and Martin on February 28, 2014, 07:06:01 PM
Quote from: Norham Waterpaw on February 27, 2014, 12:18:54 AM
Voles. Nuff said.
AMEN!
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: Blaggut on March 01, 2014, 06:10:57 AM
Quote from: Starla1431 on February 26, 2014, 04:23:18 PM
I also don't like moles. They're pretty boring.

Moles are pro! And Voles did get all the votes, before I took them off and reset.

And this topic is still breathing and alive? Who knew?
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: 321tumbler on March 01, 2014, 03:05:15 PM
I would have voted voles, but all the other races I like.
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: The Shade on March 01, 2014, 09:16:10 PM
Nasty likkle voles...
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: Starla1431 on March 03, 2014, 07:22:41 PM
Quote from: Tam and Martin on February 26, 2014, 07:21:00 PM
Quote from: Starla1431 on February 26, 2014, 04:23:18 PM
I also don't like moles. They're pretty boring.
Uh....Moles are good at some points. I'd prefer Moles over Hedgehogs though!

Meh, I still think they're boring, I don't find them funny, they barely do anything interesting to me and thier accent is a little hard to understand. I'd prefer hedgehogs over moles.
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: 321tumbler on March 03, 2014, 11:11:59 PM
I love moles! I voted hedgehogs because though I loved some hedgehogs, I didn't particularly like any overall qualities (except for SPIKES!)
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: brocka on March 04, 2014, 03:26:23 AM
A lot of the hedgehogs were a little bit crazy. They held some beasts captive as slaves . Orkwil was not a likeable character, in my opinion.
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: Dannflower Reguba on March 05, 2014, 04:17:27 AM
You say they as if Hedgehogs made it a regular practice to have slaves. There was only one as I recall, and though there were a few that could certainly be seen as a little loopy, your stereotype for them should be derived from the vast number of Cellarhogs, they make a much better representation of the Redwall Hedgehogs.
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: 321tumbler on March 05, 2014, 01:41:56 PM
That's the reason I like Hedgehogs because of the Cellar Hogs.
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: Russa Nodrey on March 11, 2014, 05:37:47 PM
My favorite hedgehog was Durry from Marial of Redwall and The Bellmaker, Maybe it's just me, but all the rest didn't seem that.....interesting.
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: Wylder Treejumper on March 11, 2014, 07:13:24 PM
Hedgehogs did not make very deep characters. Thats why I don't like them. And they seemed a bit more grey than other races, just like voles.
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: Dannflower Reguba on March 11, 2014, 10:54:46 PM
     I wouldn't call hedgehogs grey, there were only a couple that were bad or neutral (not sure that there even was a neutral hedgehog). There were many Cellarhogs, and the hogs in the dunes, Gurgan + various other free-roaming good hedgehogs, etc. Hedgehogs displayed a very "good side" bias.
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: W0NWILL on March 13, 2014, 01:06:54 AM
In response to some of the older responses, I like voles. Viola was awesome; the only 'fussy infirmary sister' to go on an adventure, and make a difference in the story, and Yoofus Lightpaw was hilarious. And don't forget Rollo, both as a baby(Shoot a sparrow wiv a big sharp arrow!) and as a venerable old recorder. Just because a species is grey doesn't mean it's not an interesting species. In fact, the grey voles and shrews were some of the best and most interesting characters I can remember. Take Druwp. He betrayed the slaves, but he was looking out for himself. I enjoyed reading about and even admired his self-preservation. Of course, that doesn't change the fact that he deserves to be slapped across the face.

As to the topic itself, I'd have to say badgers. Sure, there were some awesome badgers(Cregga!), but the species as a whole strikes me as out-of-control savages that sometimes made pretty flat characters. Lonna Bowstripe and Gorath the Flame, for instance.
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: MeadowR on March 13, 2014, 12:04:54 PM
^ Did Druwp survive? I can't even remember reading what happened to him. :0

Yeah, in a way the badgers become less interesting because it's always about how mighty they are - 'mightier-than-thou' feeling you get from them. Their ways are harder to associate with. I've never been the biggest fan of badgers either (not sure why, they're pretty cute creatures, really), so they don't naturally seem to interest me so much.

I did originally vote hedgehog, so I suppose that still stands, as they don't have too much depth to them usually.
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: 321tumbler on March 13, 2014, 12:42:20 PM
Quote from: W0NWILL on March 13, 2014, 01:06:54 AM
And don't forget Rollo, both as a baby(Shoot a sparrow wiv a big sharp arrow!) and as a venerable old recorder.

I forgot Rollo was a vole!
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: redwallbro on March 26, 2014, 12:29:04 PM
Mice always take the spotlight >:( That's why I chose mice.
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: Wylder Treejumper on March 26, 2014, 07:59:13 PM
I don't really like badgers either... with the exception of Sunflash the Mace, of course.
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: Dannflower Reguba on March 29, 2014, 04:15:46 AM
Quote from: redwallbro on March 26, 2014, 12:29:04 PM
Mice always take the spotlight >:( That's why I chose mice.

     I'd have to disagree with you on that, Squirrels became really popular later on, and otters recurred as more important characters a bit after that. Admittedly, they certainly seem to have a superior role placement than do any other species accepting badgers (I'm not very fond of mice by the way, I found them boring and repetitive).
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: UNKN0WN on April 12, 2014, 06:14:45 PM
Shrew and Hedgehog.
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Post by: Shinyjoltik on April 13, 2014, 05:01:44 PM
Moles for sure. Just not real keen on them. No real reason there are just very few moles I liked.
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Post by: Wylder Treejumper on April 13, 2014, 05:10:30 PM
Zurr, what you'm ave' 'gainst ee molers? Us'n dig gud 'oles! We do gud work furr ee h'Abbey! 'Thout us'ns, you'm have no rubble on ee wallers! And, we be maken summ Deeper'n'ever turni'n'tater'n'beetroot pie!
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Post by: Delthion on September 22, 2014, 10:05:22 PM
I voted Otter.
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Post by: Thomas Barkshield on September 24, 2014, 05:06:21 AM
Shrews are my least favorite. They're not that bad, but the Guosim need to lighten up!
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Post by: The Skarzs on September 24, 2014, 04:38:19 PM
Ditto.
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Post by: Rusvul on September 24, 2014, 08:53:20 PM
Voted 'Badger' because they are as a whole a paragon of good and right and cliche. As a whole they are unrealistic, if a FEW of their race were great noble leaders and the rest were... I dunno, at least somewhat grey? They're too perfect, a race of moral sues.
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Post by: Delthion on September 24, 2014, 09:51:29 PM
So basically, if they're to chivalrous, noble, and good, then you dislike them? Books are for the imagination, not for comparing to the world their for getting away from it all, famine and plague and all those things. That's what books are for bringing to life characters that can ONLY exist in the imagination. If badgers can't exist in the real world, then that's good, isn't it? Because the making of a good author is making all of that come to life, and Brian Jacques was one of those authors.
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Post by: Jetthebinturong on September 24, 2014, 10:00:47 PM
I for one agree with Rus though I don't think badgers are the worst because what they do is entertaining. The issue I have with badgers is that the story treats them as so good and righteous when they're not. The badgers of Redwall are bloodthirsty and violent and sometimes ruthless, why can't they be treated as any grey creature would be? However, Rus' point on a whole about clichéd paragons of the light is something that kind of turns me away from characters, people who can do no wrong do not exist and are boring as anything to read about. I want characters who are good people who do bad things or bad people who do good things, I want characters who are in a grey area of morality because they are the most interesting to read about
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Post by: Delthion on September 24, 2014, 10:02:55 PM
But most of them are blood thirsty only when they lose control.

And I voted Otter, mainly because it seems as if everyone on this site is obsessed with them.
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Post by: Rusvul on September 25, 2014, 01:48:27 AM
Quote from: Delthion on September 24, 2014, 09:51:29 PM
So basically, if they're to chivalrous, noble, and good, then you dislike them? Books are for the imagination, not for comparing to the world their for getting away from it all, famine and plague and all those things. That's what books are for bringing to life characters that can ONLY exist in the imagination. If badgers can't exist in the real world, then that's good, isn't it? Because the making of a good author is making all of that come to life, and Brian Jacques was one of those authors.

  I like people who are chivalrous, noble, and good in the real world. If I was to run in to a badger-esque person IRL, I'd probably like them a lot. But in a fantasy book, they're an overused character archetype. 'I can do no wrong, I will do no wrong, I have perfect judgement, I don't make mistakes, I am a guiding light for the entire world, I am not infinitely strong but my cause gives me strength, etc.'


Just my opinion. I don't like the idea of an entire race being anything, either- 'all elves are gracious' 'all half-orcs are ugly' 'all gnomes are cheerful,' either, so badgers annoy me a little in that aspect as well.
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Post by: The Skarzs on September 25, 2014, 02:19:37 AM
Thinking about what you said, yes, that is one definite reason to dislike them, but more as a whole than as an individual. The use of badgers as characters in the books might not be what is overused, but how they're portrayed is very stereotypical, and makes those of them who have different traits to be more interesting, like Sunflash, who enjoyed farming, Cregga, whose rage consumed her at nearly all times, and lastly, the Tabura and Salixa from Eulalia, who were rather peaceful badgers.
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Post by: Captain Tammo on October 27, 2014, 04:08:01 AM
How could anyone hate a mole?! D:
I mean I get that some may be impatient with their dialogue, but they're just so dang awesome!
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Post by: Tam and Martin on November 03, 2014, 12:56:39 PM
And cute  ;D

I wish they had more baby moles in the series. I love hearing their voices in the audiobook. Especially Triss - I forget the baby moles name in that one but he was cute.
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Post by: SilentSam on November 03, 2014, 05:55:07 PM
Why do people not like hedgehogs? I guess they're 2nd because voles aren't in the poll.
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Post by: Dannflower Reguba on November 03, 2014, 07:37:18 PM
       We classify voles as "grey" characters, so they aren't in the good guy category. We've got discussions for specifically grey characters as well.
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Post by: SilentSam on November 12, 2014, 09:44:31 PM
Quote from: danflorreguba on November 03, 2014, 07:37:18 PM
       We classify voles as "grey" characters, so they aren't in the good guy category. We've got discussions for specifically grey characters as well.
Okay thanks!  ;)
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Post by: Søren on November 13, 2014, 05:14:03 AM
I never really. Ares for the shrews.
HOW DID BADGERS GET 4 VOTES??!?!? They are one of the best, maybe second only to mice!!
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Post by: SilentSam on November 21, 2014, 08:27:42 PM
Quote from: Soren the Warrior on November 13, 2014, 05:14:03 AM
I never really. Ares for the shrews.
HOW DID BADGERS GET 4 VOTES??!?!? They are one of the best, maybe second only to mice!!
True
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Post by: LT Sandpaw on November 21, 2014, 10:50:44 PM

I voted badgers just because I don't like how it takes an army to defeat one.
I can deal with the fact that all vermin suck at combat but when you take a creature that is so completely OP it gets a bit old.
Other then that their cool.

Suppose there's no bad badgers because they go crazy and get themselves killed?
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Post by: Søren on November 24, 2014, 05:42:25 AM
Let's hope there will NEVER be a bad badger!
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Post by: Hickory on December 02, 2014, 10:30:17 PM
Okay, mice and voles. Although Martin and Matthaias and etc. are cool, many mice like brinty seem boring and often misrepresented in the audiobooks (High Rhulain). so my view may be warped.
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Post by: Hickory on December 02, 2014, 10:31:11 PM
Like hares and badgers! they're awesome!!!!
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Post by: Delthion on December 02, 2014, 10:32:47 PM
Sagetip the mods don't like when we double post. Just use that shiny "modify" button in the top right corner.  :)
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Post by: Cornflower MM on July 19, 2015, 02:55:27 AM
Shrews - They're rather argumentative, and they just got on my nerves. For one thing, first you're all singing and laughing. . . Then you're fighting over the silliest thing? Like, what? Then, they just seem so proudful - And proud of some of the strangest things. Like bragging. What the flip?

Quote from: LT Sandpaw on November 21, 2014, 10:50:44 PM

I voted badgers just because I don't like how it takes an army to defeat one.
I can deal with the fact that all vermin suck at combat but when you take a creature that is so completely OP it gets a bit old.
Other then that their cool.
........

My sentiments exactly. ^^^ That's always kinda bugged me, ut other than that, badgers are cool. I mean, they're not my favorite 'good' race, I just view them in a view rather like this: "Okay. You guys are cool, abd all, but you're alsao kind of meh."
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Post by: rrrrr on July 19, 2015, 05:25:30 AM
Badgers - OP and arrogant.
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Post by: Wylder Treejumper on July 22, 2015, 02:25:46 AM
The arrogance is definitely a defining racial character trait. All you have to do is look at Lords Rawnblade and Brocktree, for example. Though, in the more likeable badgers (Sunflash and Russano the Wise), this trait was conspicuously absent.
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Post by: Dannflower Reguba on July 22, 2015, 05:44:55 AM
Quote from: Wylder Treejumper on July 22, 2015, 02:25:46 AM
The arrogance is definitely a defining racial character trait. All you have to do is look at Lords Rawnblade and Brocktree, for example. Though, in the more likeable badgers (Sunflash and Russano the Wise), this trait was conspicuously absent.

       Rawnblade I don't remember very well, but Brocktree arrogant? Possibly a bit proud, but I wouldn't call him arrogant. There are also the three badgers from Eulalia (Gorath, and the travelers), none of them were arrogant, and I don't remember Urthewyte being arrogant either. The difference between pride and arrogance being that pride is looking highly on yourself, where as arrogance is looking down on others in comparison to how you see yourself.
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Post by: The Skarzs on July 22, 2015, 03:50:08 PM
Part of it was the power they commanded, being Badger Lords; creatures obeyed them, most without question. This is something a lot of people don't like, because a symbol of power is often something people want to rebel against. (Every dystopian story ever.) So, perhaps their power figure, their physical prowess, and the fact that they're almost legends is enough to make people not like them.
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Post by: SoranMBane on July 22, 2015, 04:44:52 PM
I have to echo previous sentiments and say badgers, because they're often a lot less interesting than the other species, sometimes even to the point of being downright boring. They're just too "perfect." Not that they're universally awful or anything - as side characters, they serve a useful role as strong leaders and wise mentor figures - but when they try to be our main protagonist, they tend to lose their way. Gorath the Flame and Lord Brocktree are probably the most easy-to-identify examples; I thought Gorath was a huge Gary Stu, and while Brocktree wasn't quite that bad, he was still easily one of the least interesting good guy characters in his own book. But I do remember liking Sunflash the Mace (who's basically the protagonist of Outcast of Redwall, despite the fact that the title doesn't even refer to him), although it has been a long while since I've read that particular book; I'll have to reread it at some point to see if he'd hold up as a character to me now.
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Post by: Skyblade on August 18, 2015, 04:04:27 PM
I don't have a least favorite good race right now, but the results are interesting.

Why are there so many votes for hedgehogs? They're underrated. Actually, that's why I made the protagonist of my Pompeii fanfic a hedgehog - it's more of an "unlikely hero". He's going to be friends with a shrew, as well. Shrews are also somewhat underrated, and so are moles (but I have yet to master mole speech, which is the only reason I don't have a mole main character).

I have to admit, shrews do annoy me sometimes because of all their arguing.

I don't like some aspects of badgers...they seem overpowered. I'm hoping to break the norm by being a small, shy, and not very strong badger as an RP character.
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Post by: Vilu Daskar on August 18, 2015, 06:47:00 PM
My least favorite are the voles.
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Post by: Skyblade on August 25, 2015, 03:36:17 AM
I think voles are considered gray.

Hmm...to be honest, I personally don't grow too fond of many of the heroes. I don't know why.
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Post by: Izeroth on August 25, 2015, 04:39:14 AM
 I think badgers have an undeservedly bad reputation. Yes, they are overpowered, but you have to remember that badgers are naturally larger than just about every other animal in the books. Also, though badgers typically posess more endurance than other woodlanders, there are still numerous instances of them being slain. Considering the dramatic deaths of Lord Stonepaw and Boar the Fightwr, I would almost say that it's expected of badger lords to die in battle.
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Post by: Jetthebinturong on August 25, 2015, 09:01:31 AM
Badgers are about the same size as some species of otter though and you never get giant hulking sea otters in the series.
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Post by: Skyblade on August 25, 2015, 09:37:52 AM
Good points, Izeroth.

What about Bloodwrath, though?

Quote from: Jetthebinturong on August 25, 2015, 09:01:31 AM
Badgers are about the same size as some species of otter though

Really?
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Post by: Vilu Daskar on August 25, 2015, 03:29:18 PM
Quote from: Skyblade on August 25, 2015, 03:36:17 AM
I think voles are considered gray.

Hmm...to be honest, I personally don't grow too fond of many of the heroes. I don't know why.
But the main ones are usually good.
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Post by: Hickory on August 25, 2015, 08:02:22 PM
Quote from: Jetthebinturong on August 25, 2015, 09:01:31 AM
Badgers are about the same size as some species of otter though and you never get giant hulking sea otters in the series.
Finnbarr and Skor got pretty close, but Brain didn't specify. He almost never does. It could be anything...
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Post by: Banya on September 04, 2015, 07:00:56 AM
I am easily annoyed with most birds in the books.  It's safe to say that all of the birds except for Chibb, Skarlath,  Stryk Redkite, and those in Martin the Warrior (Boldred, her family, and the Warden) are at the bottom of my favourites list.  Rabbits, too.  Don't like them much.
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Post by: Hickory on September 04, 2015, 01:13:17 PM
At the same time, birds are like that for the story. For example, Chibb is a robin, and we like him for his characteristics, but the other robin in Redwall, the dude in Outcast, has the same characteristics (needs a payment [food] for information) but we hate him for it. It's the way Brian writes.

As for the rabbits, I just think Brian didn't have enough ime to develop them.
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Post by: Lady Ashenwyte on September 06, 2015, 10:22:36 AM
Quote from: Sagetip, the hare on September 04, 2015, 01:13:17 PM

As for the rabbits, I just think Brian didn't have enough ime to develop them.

25 years, not counting the years he spent writing Redwall.
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Post by: Hickory on September 06, 2015, 01:23:20 PM
What I mean is that he didn't give them a lot of time in the story. Also, all the important skills were being taken up by other animals at the time.
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Post by: Banya on September 08, 2015, 09:59:25 PM
I like Chibb because he's important to the story.  He's also humourous.  I don't remember the robin from Outcast, let alone its name, so I can't list him as an exception.  Outcast is coming up soon on my reading list, so I'll rediscover that robin before long.

Like rabbits, dormice weren't well-developed in the series, and because of their uselessness I like them less than mice and other woodland species.  On the other hand, I don't mind voles.  They're not well-developed either (an entire book without a vole wouldn't be lacking in character variety); they're a filler species, used when a character doesn't possess any of the attributes associated with some of the other species, but they're found more often in the series, and I enjoy the addition of some species outside the usual ones.
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Post by: Vilu Daskar on September 08, 2015, 10:17:37 PM
Out of those I'd go with Hedgehog.
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Post by: Skyblade on September 10, 2015, 01:13:59 AM
Quote from: Vilu Daskar on September 08, 2015, 10:17:37 PM
Out of those I'd go with Hedgehog.

Why?
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Post by: LT Sandpaw on September 10, 2015, 01:26:29 AM
Quote from: Banya on September 04, 2015, 07:00:56 AM
I am easily annoyed with most birds in the books.  It's safe to say that all of the birds except for Chibb, Skarlath,  Stryk Redkite, and those in Martin the Warrior (Boldred, her family, and the Warden) are at the bottom of my favourites list.  Rabbits, too.  Don't like them much.

What about Warbeak Sparra? She makes two appearances and is pretty awesome in both.
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Post by: Delthion on September 10, 2015, 04:36:48 AM
I love the birds. Usually they're completely crazy and rather nonsensical, (rather like myself wot? Saw an opportunity to good to miss!) ;D ;D
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Post by: Banya on September 11, 2015, 05:40:30 AM
Quote from: LT Sandpaw on September 10, 2015, 01:26:29 AM
What about Warbeak Sparra? She makes two appearances and is pretty awesome in both.
I know so many readers like them, and I can appreciate that without understanding it.  I never did like the Sparras.
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Post by: rrrrr on September 12, 2015, 08:25:19 PM
same
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Post by: Banya on September 14, 2015, 06:15:21 AM
Finally voted above; it wasn't an easy decision, but I voted for (or against, really) the squirrels.  I like most of the squirrels (Fwirl, Felldoh, Craklyn, Saro, Triss, Russa, Jess and Silent Sam to name a few), but some squirrels really grate on me.  That group includes the Gawtrybe and Jukka's tribe.
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Post by: The Skarzs on September 14, 2015, 06:19:46 PM
Dan, Corn, and Faiy will have your head. :P
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Post by: LT Sandpaw on September 15, 2015, 01:33:40 AM

Jukka's tribe, wow really?

Don't like Warbeak and the Sparra nor one of the coolest squirrel tribes in the series.
We have very different opinions. Still I totally understand your view on the Gawtrybe, they were just plain annoying.
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Post by: Banya on September 15, 2015, 03:26:29 PM
I like Jukka and Ruro.  The rest of the tribe were too simple - they were selfish animals with no ideas of right and wrong.  At least Jukka is a grey character with complexity.  I like Lady Amber, too, though I don't always agree with her ideas of justice and fairness.
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Post by: Wylder Treejumper on September 15, 2015, 07:44:32 PM
Squirrels?!?! Nonsense! While I agree that Jukka's tribe and especially the Gawtrybe were terrible, they don't at all fit the general definition of squirrel. They are the very rare exception to the rule. I'd say the squirrel type is defined more in Song and Jess Squirrel. And, this also means that you commit the grave offense of having Rakkety Tam MacBurl, Doogy Plum and Armel as part of the "Least Favorite Species"... Unpardonable!
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Post by: Hickory on September 15, 2015, 09:20:05 PM
May I say that almost every squirrel character is a Mary Sue/Gary Stu?
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Post by: Banya on September 15, 2015, 10:02:50 PM
Rakkety Tam was my least favourite book... like I said, it was a tough vote to cast, but when it comes down to it, the other species in the poll came out on top.  We're talking about the least of the best.  Squirrels are not at all the worst.
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Post by: Delthion on September 18, 2015, 04:47:18 AM
*Shuns Banya's existence.* So what do people think of Jukka's Tribe? Personally, I never particularly liked them, and I never particularly disliked them. ;D ;D
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Post by: The Skarzs on September 18, 2015, 04:29:17 PM
Quote from: Delthion on September 18, 2015, 04:47:18 AM
*Shuns Banya's existence.*
She's allowed her opinion. :P

As for Jukka's tribe, I really disliked their intolerance toward nearly every other beast but themselves.
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Post by: LT Sandpaw on September 18, 2015, 04:38:23 PM
Well Banya I suppose we must agree to disagree. But none the less, I always liked Jukka's tribe, they seemed driven by honor but they really didn't want to help out. They were their own creatures and seemed more like a neutral force rather then a. "Oh Aye creatures be in trouble lets rush to help them in a battle that might kill half of us!" Type characters that all otters and badgers seem to be.
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Post by: Delthion on September 19, 2015, 12:28:15 AM
Quote from: The Skarzs on September 18, 2015, 04:29:17 PM
Quote from: Delthion on September 18, 2015, 04:47:18 AM
*Shuns Banya's existence.*
She's allowed her opinion. :P

As for Jukka's tribe, I really disliked their intolerance toward nearly every other beast but themselves.

Notice the grins! ;D ;D
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Post by: The Skarzs on September 19, 2015, 12:29:56 AM
Notice the :P.
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Post by: Delthion on September 19, 2015, 02:27:06 AM
Ah. I never know what that means...
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Post by: Eulaliaaa! on September 19, 2015, 04:53:23 AM
Quote from: LT Sandpaw on September 18, 2015, 04:38:23 PM
Well Banya I suppose we must agree to disagree. But none the less, I always liked Jukka's tribe, they seemed driven by honor but they really didn't want to help out. They were their own creatures and seemed more like a neutral force rather then a. "Oh Aye creatures be in trouble lets rush to help them in a battle that might kill half of us!" Type characters that all otters and badgers seem to be.

Finally, someone who views Jukka's tribe the way I do! I liked her and her tribe, they seemed more realistic. Most creatures (shrews/otters/hares/etc.) are always willing to rush into battle only to help the other creatures. I'm not saying that's bad, it's a kind thing to do, but it's nice to see a tribe that thinks more about their own lives rather than the lives of creatures they've never met. If I were Jukka, I would've done the same thing rather than rush my tribe head on into a fight I doubted we would win for some creatures I didn't even know without a single question about it.
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Post by: Wylder Treejumper on September 19, 2015, 08:53:55 PM
Well, I don't know about the rest of you, but if I saw someone I could basically assume to be good (woodlanders) getting attacked by someone I could guarantee to be evil (vermin) I'd go jump in the fight, even if it was at a danger to myself.

Then again, maybe that's just my military training and paladin side speaking. Otherbeasts might not feel the same way...?
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Post by: Delthion on September 20, 2015, 03:22:35 AM
I feel the same way.
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Post by: LT Sandpaw on September 20, 2015, 02:26:18 PM

Well you got to remember they did still help Fleetcut against his pursuers when he ran into their pine grove.
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Post by: Skyblade on October 05, 2015, 06:13:42 PM
What's wrong with hedgehogs?
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Post by: Hickory on October 06, 2015, 12:42:46 AM
Fat, lazy, can't fight. (totally biased here though)
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: Skyblade on October 06, 2015, 01:45:42 AM
Which hedgehogs were like that? I can't remember.
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Post by: Hickory on October 06, 2015, 01:08:47 PM
Ferdy and Coggs. They were pretty fat and lazy.
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Post by: Banya on October 28, 2015, 06:21:08 AM
Ferdy and Coggs were barely more than babies, and if they'd grown up in Redwall, they'd have been Dibbuns.  Babies tend to be rather fat and useless, but still, Ferdy and Coggs were important to the story. 
(Of course, Martin and Gonff could have easily rescued Gingivere and Ferdy and Coggs could not have been captured, but what fun would that have been?  Besides, that would have eliminated much of the need for the Mask.)
Some hedgehogs are fat and useless (Uggo, Twoggs, and Drogbuk Wiltud, to name just a few), but I have to defend Ferdy and Coggs.  Most hedgehogs at least contribute to the story, whether by Cellarhogs' contributions to solving the obligatory Redwall riddle or rogue hedgehogs helping or hindering the protagonists along their quest.

I like it when hedgehogs are given fighting roles (they frequently use clubs, slings, and other blunt weapons), and I wish they could have been given more roles like those.  A couple of my favourite hedgehogs are Tansy (whose name I almost took for my username) and Hillgorse from Martin the Warrior, without whom many slaves from the first wave of escapees would not have made it out of Marshank.
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Post by: Jewel Thief on November 13, 2015, 01:51:32 PM
My least favorite species were voles, seeing as almost all of them we got to know were either murderers, cowards or just plain old jerks.
Seeing as they're not on the list, though, I'd have to go shrews... I enjoy the buggers, but their obsession with "KILL ALL VARMIN! TH' ONLY GOOD 'UN'S A DEAD 'UN!" in the later books kinda made me... hate them as good guys.
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Post by: Rosey on January 14, 2016, 05:29:49 PM
Definately Moles.... They rarely preform any kind of good service other than eating and digging.. (not talking about Grumm here lol)
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Post by: The Skarzs on January 14, 2016, 06:03:49 PM
Aw. . . But what about Axtel Sturnclaw? I think the moles were awesome, even if they couldn't be understood all the time.
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Post by: Rosey on January 14, 2016, 06:29:10 PM
Quote from: The Skarzs on January 14, 2016, 06:03:49 PM
Aw. . . But what about Axtel Sturnclaw? I think the moles were awesome, even if they couldn't be understood all the time.

There are a lot of good ones... but seriously - compared to the other animals...... there's just no way - It was a toss up between the moles and the hedgehogs - but the hedgehogs are good cooks so :P yea
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Post by: Ashleg on January 14, 2016, 11:53:52 PM
The only mole I really liked was the one in Mossflower...whatsisname...
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Post by: The Skarzs on January 15, 2016, 04:41:54 AM
Young Dinny? I really like him too.
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Post by: Ashleg on January 15, 2016, 11:09:16 PM
Yeah, that's it. Young Dinny! ;D
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Post by: Nadaz, voice of the host on November 05, 2017, 10:18:25 PM
hares are just so gluttonous its hard to like them
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Post by: Ashleg on November 06, 2017, 02:43:11 AM
I liked the earlier hares, but the the ones from post-Taggerung Redwall I did not like. They all felt like a cardboard cut-out of the same character, just more annoying each time.
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: Krantor the Brutal on November 06, 2017, 04:20:33 AM
Basil and Ballaw are the two good hares and the ones from The Long Patrol and Rakkety Tam too.
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: Gonff the Mousethief on November 06, 2017, 04:40:39 AM
Hmm, well, I don't really dislike any of the species. Now if voles were on there I would be hitting that option so dadgum fast. I guess shrews? I mean, near the end they always felt like a cheap plot devise, though they were brilliant in the beginning.
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: The Skarzs on November 06, 2017, 05:14:19 AM
I loved the shrews in Redwall and Mossflower. It was somewhere in the middle of the series that they just went bland.
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: Maudie on November 06, 2017, 05:58:34 AM
Quote from: Nadaz, voice of the host on November 05, 2017, 10:18:25 PM
hares are just so gluttonous its hard to like them

Hmm, the only hare that I thought was gluttonous to the point of being annoying was Scarum. Other than him I really like hares.

I'd say my least favorite good species is probably mice. I felt like the mouse characters were generally boring and all the same, with a few notable exceptions. Most of the mice just kind of blurred together.
Title: Re: LEAST favorite "good" race
Post by: Krantor the Brutal on November 06, 2017, 01:38:41 PM
Quote from: Gonff the Mousethief on November 06, 2017, 04:40:39 AM
Hmm, well, I don't really dislike any of the species. Now if voles were on there I would be hitting that option so dadgum fast. I guess shrews? I mean, near the end they always felt like a cheap plot devise, though they were brilliant in the beginning.

There is a lot of reasons to hate voles, they have that deceptive OR whiney dispisition which is annoying.