Hey everybody, there seems to be some confusion over the size of the different villain hordes at their peak in the series. I have carefully analyzed certain phrases and come up with probably the most accurate estimates to date. If you want me to explain how i got those numbers, please post. I will be posting more estimates and corrections as I go along.
Cluny: Around 600.
Me: 1,040.
Marlfoxes when attacking Redwall: 230
Tsarmina: Around 600.
Ferahgo: Around 4,000
Sawney Rath: Around 60
Ruggan Bor: Around 360
And....Wait for it...
Ungatt Trunn: Around 25,000
Gulo's horde was 100 (in Mossflower).
For some reason I recall Cluny having about 500 on his side. Maybe that was before he recruited a bunch from the forest?
Slagar: less than 10-15 or so. All of them idiots :D
Vilu Daskar: I think his ship held one or two hundred, right?
Quote from: Hickory on November 06, 2015, 11:11:13 PM
Gulo's horde was 100 (in Mossflower).
Being the son of the ruler of the land of ice and snow I wander how big his army could really be
Well, he probably didn't take every soldier with him on his quest.
...Or did he? ;D
Oh gosh.
I find it pathetic that Gulo reached Redwall with (what was it...) about six vermin.
When you realize Badredd accomplished more than Gulo.
Hah!
I think it more by sheer luck, though. XD
Ecks Dee.
Quality post there.
The real question is, if vermin are so constantly dying in great numbers, how on earth to so many show up every book while the victors, the goodbeasts, are ever in minority?
Quote from: The Skarzs on October 05, 2017, 02:40:04 AM
Quality post there.
The real question is, if vermin are so constantly dying in great numbers, how on earth to so many show up every book while the victors, the goodbeasts, are ever in minority?
They have set spawning points to the far west, obvs.
Vermin like having children. :P
I suppose vermin spawn like normal animals with litters; and goodbeasts spawn like humans. :P
No, look at Veil and Klitch and Gruven and that Painted One rat from Doomwyte. No siblings.
But the fathers don't seem to stay with the wives, either.
I think they just have children, a lot, in separate situations. :P
. . This is awkward.
WHAT, IT'S TRUE.
Quote from: Ashleg on October 05, 2017, 05:45:41 PM
No, look at Veil and Klitch and Gruven and that Painted One rat from Doomwyte. No siblings.
But the fathers don't seem to stay with the wives, either.
I think they just have children, a lot, in separate situations. :P
True...
Polygamists. Okay.
But still, where would they come from? The mysterious north where it is supposed to be harsh and trying to live there is hard? South of Southsward where we know nothing of?
Hello everyone! It's Delena, wannabe professor of animal mannerisms! would anyone like to hear a lecture about the way every species in Redwall lives their life!?!?!?
No?!
Fine.
Quote from: The Skarzs on October 06, 2017, 01:38:17 AM
Polygamists. Okay.
But still, where would they come from? The mysterious north where it is supposed to be harsh and trying to live there is hard? South of Southsward where we know nothing of?
East, north, west, south, tropical islands nobeast's heard of (seems to be common).
Eh, polygamy? Nah, doesn't sound right. There would be some mention of it in the books, I think. As far as I remember there is actually zero supporting evidence for this theory.
But then I could be wrong.
Anyways, maybe there aren't more vermin. Maybe they just tend to be more gregarious than goodbeasts and you tend to see larger numbers of them together. Or maybe there are more vermin because they are more gregarious and therefore more likely to find a mate.
That's a potential answer too.
Kurdley had multiple wives.
He was also described as being a savage, primitive.
So are most of them.
But I don't think it's polygamy. I just think they (usually) don't choose permanent mate(s).
Here are the actual numbers:
Blue Hordes: 7500
Corpsemakers: 4000
Rapscallions: 1000
Brownrats: about 900
Foxwolf Horde: 800
Gabool's Corsairs: 640
Cluny's Horde: 600
Sea Rogues: about 500
Thousand Eye Army: 400-500
Marlfox Horde: 400
Bloodwake's crew: 350
Wave Brethren: 320
Juskabor: 300
Kharanjul's Horde: 300
Ravagers: 200
Feral Cat Army of Green Isle: 200
Vizka Longtooth's Crew: 150
Gulo's Horde: 100
Grullba Deathwind's Horde: 100
The Darrat: 100
Ravetail's Horde: 100
Bane's Mercenaries: 60
Raga Bol's crew: 50
Streamrats: 30
Slagar''s Band: 20
Burrad's Band: 12
Groffgut's Gang: 8
Driftail's Gang: 8
Sholabar's Band: 5
Wicky's Band: 3
Ooh, great list! Btw, how did ya find the numbers of the Blue Hordes? I'm curious cuz I tried to find the exact number before and didn't remember finding any, lol. Did they mention it in Lord Brocktree?