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Brian Jacques' Works (Spoilers) => Character Discussion => Topic started by: Damug Warfang on November 06, 2015, 11:04:50 PM

Title: Army Size of Different Villains.
Post by: Damug Warfang on November 06, 2015, 11:04:50 PM
Hey everybody, there seems to be some confusion over the size of the different villain hordes at their peak in the series.  I have carefully analyzed certain phrases and come up with probably the most accurate estimates to date.  If you want me to explain how i got those numbers, please post.  I will be posting more estimates and corrections as I go along. 

Cluny: Around 600.

Me: 1,040.

Marlfoxes when attacking Redwall: 230

Tsarmina: Around 600.

Ferahgo:  Around 4,000

Sawney Rath: Around 60

Ruggan Bor: Around 360



And....Wait for it...

Ungatt Trunn: Around 25,000
Title: Re: Army Size of Different Villains.
Post by: Hickory on November 06, 2015, 11:11:13 PM
Gulo's horde was 100 (in Mossflower).
Title: Re: Army Size of Different Villains.
Post by: Captain Tammo on October 02, 2017, 10:08:57 PM
For some reason I recall Cluny having about 500 on his side. Maybe that was before he recruited a bunch from the forest?

Slagar: less than 10-15 or so. All of them idiots :D

Vilu Daskar: I think his ship held one or two hundred, right?
Title: Re: Army Size of Different Villains.
Post by: Sanddunes on October 04, 2017, 05:33:31 AM
Quote from: Hickory on November 06, 2015, 11:11:13 PM
Gulo's horde was 100 (in Mossflower).

Being the son of the ruler of the land of ice and snow I wander how big his army could really be 
Title: Re: Army Size of Different Villains.
Post by: Maudie on October 04, 2017, 05:40:12 AM
Well, he probably didn't take every soldier with him on his quest.

...Or did he? ;D
Title: Re: Army Size of Different Villains.
Post by: The Skarzs on October 04, 2017, 02:09:05 PM
Oh gosh.
Title: Re: Army Size of Different Villains.
Post by: Krantor the Brutal on October 04, 2017, 04:55:49 PM
I find it pathetic that Gulo reached Redwall with (what was it...) about six vermin.
Title: Re: Army Size of Different Villains.
Post by: Ashleg on October 04, 2017, 05:03:32 PM
When you realize Badredd accomplished more than Gulo.
Title: Re: Army Size of Different Villains.
Post by: The Skarzs on October 04, 2017, 06:05:40 PM
Hah!
I think it more by sheer luck, though. XD
Title: Re: Army Size of Different Villains.
Post by: Ashleg on October 05, 2017, 12:29:03 AM
Ecks Dee.
Title: Re: Army Size of Different Villains.
Post by: The Skarzs on October 05, 2017, 02:40:04 AM
Quality post there.

The real question is, if vermin are so constantly dying in great numbers, how on earth to so many show up every book while the victors, the goodbeasts, are ever in minority?
Title: Re: Army Size of Different Villains.
Post by: a crumb on October 05, 2017, 03:09:43 AM
Quote from: The Skarzs on October 05, 2017, 02:40:04 AM
Quality post there.

The real question is, if vermin are so constantly dying in great numbers, how on earth to so many show up every book while the victors, the goodbeasts, are ever in minority?

They have set spawning points to the far west, obvs.
Title: Re: Army Size of Different Villains.
Post by: Ashleg on October 05, 2017, 03:45:23 AM
Vermin like having children. :P
Title: Re: Army Size of Different Villains.
Post by: Krantor the Brutal on October 05, 2017, 03:33:53 PM
I suppose vermin spawn like normal animals with litters; and goodbeasts spawn like humans.  :P
Title: Re: Army Size of Different Villains.
Post by: Ashleg on October 05, 2017, 05:45:41 PM
No, look at Veil and Klitch and Gruven and that Painted One rat from Doomwyte. No siblings.

But the fathers don't seem to stay with the wives, either.

I think they just have children, a lot, in separate situations. :P
Title: Re: Army Size of Different Villains.
Post by: The Skarzs on October 05, 2017, 08:08:21 PM
. .  This is awkward.
Title: Re: Army Size of Different Villains.
Post by: Ashleg on October 05, 2017, 10:41:22 PM
WHAT, IT'S TRUE.
Title: Re: Army Size of Different Villains.
Post by: Krantor the Brutal on October 05, 2017, 11:43:02 PM
Quote from: Ashleg on October 05, 2017, 05:45:41 PM
No, look at Veil and Klitch and Gruven and that Painted One rat from Doomwyte. No siblings.

But the fathers don't seem to stay with the wives, either.

I think they just have children, a lot, in separate situations. :P
True...
Title: Re: Army Size of Different Villains.
Post by: The Skarzs on October 06, 2017, 01:38:17 AM
Polygamists. Okay.

But still, where would they come from? The mysterious north where it is supposed to be harsh and trying to live there is hard? South of Southsward where we know nothing of?
Title: Re: Army Size of Different Villains.
Post by: DelenatheWanderer on October 06, 2017, 01:38:34 AM
Hello everyone! It's Delena, wannabe professor of animal mannerisms! would anyone like to hear a lecture about the way every species in Redwall lives their life!?!?!?
No?!
Fine.
Title: Re: Army Size of Different Villains.
Post by: Ashleg on October 06, 2017, 02:21:04 AM
Quote from: The Skarzs on October 06, 2017, 01:38:17 AM
Polygamists. Okay.

But still, where would they come from? The mysterious north where it is supposed to be harsh and trying to live there is hard? South of Southsward where we know nothing of?

East, north, west, south, tropical islands nobeast's heard of (seems to be common).
Title: Re: Army Size of Different Villains.
Post by: Maudie on October 06, 2017, 05:32:56 AM
Eh, polygamy? Nah, doesn't sound right. There would be some mention of it in the books, I think. As far as I remember there is actually zero supporting evidence for this theory.

But then I could be wrong.

Anyways, maybe there aren't more vermin. Maybe they just tend to be more gregarious than goodbeasts and you tend to see larger numbers of them together. Or maybe there are more vermin because they are more gregarious and therefore more likely to find a mate.
Title: Re: Army Size of Different Villains.
Post by: The Skarzs on October 06, 2017, 06:07:37 AM
That's a potential answer too.
Title: Re: Army Size of Different Villains.
Post by: Ashleg on October 06, 2017, 05:40:33 PM
Kurdley had multiple wives.
Title: Re: Army Size of Different Villains.
Post by: The Skarzs on October 06, 2017, 07:05:50 PM
He was also described as being a savage, primitive.
Title: Re: Army Size of Different Villains.
Post by: Ashleg on October 06, 2017, 08:55:53 PM
So are most of them.

But I don't think it's polygamy. I just think they (usually) don't choose permanent mate(s).
Title: Re: Army Size of Different Villains.
Post by: clunylooney on April 30, 2020, 05:15:50 PM
Here are the actual numbers:

Blue Hordes: 7500
Corpsemakers: 4000
Rapscallions: 1000
Brownrats: about 900
Foxwolf Horde: 800
Gabool's Corsairs: 640
Cluny's Horde: 600
Sea Rogues: about 500
Thousand Eye Army: 400-500
Marlfox Horde: 400
Bloodwake's crew: 350
Wave Brethren: 320
Juskabor: 300
Kharanjul's Horde: 300
Ravagers: 200
Feral Cat Army of Green Isle: 200
Vizka Longtooth's Crew: 150
Gulo's Horde: 100
Grullba Deathwind's Horde: 100
The Darrat: 100
Ravetail's Horde: 100
Bane's Mercenaries: 60
Raga Bol's crew: 50
Streamrats: 30
Slagar''s Band: 20 
Burrad's Band: 12
Groffgut's Gang: 8
Driftail's Gang: 8
Sholabar's Band: 5 
Wicky's Band: 3
Title: Re: Army Size of Different Villains.
Post by: Sebias of Redwall on September 26, 2020, 06:29:16 AM
Ooh, great list! Btw, how did ya find the numbers of the Blue Hordes? I'm curious cuz I tried to find the exact number before and didn't remember finding any, lol. Did they mention it in Lord Brocktree?