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Brian Jacques' Works (Spoilers) => General Discussion => Topic started by: Izeroth on December 24, 2014, 12:41:15 AM

Title: Something to think about...
Post by: Izeroth on December 24, 2014, 12:41:15 AM
 In real life, otters, badgers, stoats, ferrets, and weasels are all actually related and in the same family. With this is mind, doesn't it seem strange that badgers and otters are such bitter enemies of stoats, ferrets, and weasels?
Title: Re: Something to think about...
Post by: Jetthebinturong on December 24, 2014, 11:42:34 AM
Yes, so are otters
Title: Re: Something to think about...
Post by: LT Sandpaw on December 24, 2014, 04:09:43 PM

Yup and so are Mice and Rats.
Title: Re: Something to think about...
Post by: Izeroth on December 24, 2014, 08:11:02 PM
 I think squirrels are actually related to mice and rats as well...
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Post by: The Skarzs on December 25, 2014, 05:44:20 PM
Yeh, I've thought about this as well; it's a bit redundant for many of the goodbeasts to call others 'vermin'.
Title: Re: Something to think about...
Post by: MeadowR on December 26, 2014, 11:07:58 PM
But we're all human, yet we don't all get along! Not sure if that's a justified argument, but it's food for thought? :p

I have thought about it myself several times, actually. :) I suppose going by how people perceive the certain animals - badgers being wiser and therefore more 'good' beasts, yet weasels often seen as tricksters had to go in 'bad', etc., Brian felt it would resonate more with readers, regardless of species relations. I think The Wind in the Willows must have had some inspiration for him.
Title: Re: Something to think about...
Post by: Romsca on December 26, 2014, 11:58:36 PM
Yeah I think a lot of it has to do with the cultural associations we have with each of the animal species
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Post by: Søren on January 04, 2015, 07:48:06 PM
Quote from: Romsca on December 26, 2014, 11:58:36 PM
Yeah I think a lot of it has to do with the cultural associations we have with each of the animal species
^^^ yup. We natural aren't fond of rats and weasles, but we like otters and squirrels. The media and kids shows and stuff contributes to this. Rats are always depicted in a bad way, and otters and squirrels rarely are.
Title: Re: Something to think about...
Post by: Hickory on January 04, 2015, 09:18:46 PM
Agreed, though ferrets are commonly used (that saounds dirty) as pets.
Title: Re: Something to think about...
Post by: LT Sandpaw on January 05, 2015, 12:43:39 AM
Quote from: The Skarzs on December 25, 2014, 05:44:20 PM
Yeh, I've thought about this as well; it's a bit redundant for many of the goodbeasts to call others 'vermin'.

That's true, I've always wondered why vermin don't have their own name for Woodlanders, Or a name for themselves, they always seem to except that they are vermin and the others are woodlanders or goodbeasts.
Title: Re: Something to think about...
Post by: Albrithr on January 05, 2015, 05:31:45 AM
Quote from: LT Sandpaw on January 05, 2015, 12:43:39 AM
Quote from: The Skarzs on December 25, 2014, 05:44:20 PM
Yeh, I've thought about this as well; it's a bit redundant for many of the goodbeasts to call others 'vermin'.

That's true, I've always wondered why vermin don't have their own name for Woodlanders, Or a name for themselves, they always seem to except that they are vermin and the others are woodlanders or goodbeasts.

They do, they call them bumpkins or some such term.
As for the otters/ferrets/etc... old family rivalries perhaps?