Story: http://redwall.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:LordTBT/News:Redwall_being_optioned_for_a_major_movie
Umm-MMMMM!! :eyebrow:
Well. . .
I certainly hope it goes through, as I for one would love to see another Redwall film.
I hope that this works out! I'd definitely watch it!!
BTW nice article, TBT ;)
Finally! I knew someone had the rights to it, but it's been taking forever! Really hope they follow through on this, really want to see what modern animation (my assumption would be that it's animated, but CGI will be heavy even if it isn't technically animated) could do with the world of Redwall. They're gonna need some decent voices.
*checks article and sees update*
Bigger UMM-MMMM!! :o
We shouldn't get too excited just yet, but at least it's something!
Oh, wow! This is awesome! I so hope they actually make a movie! :D
What did Jango just say? Don't get too excited or you'll be more disappointed.
Hush, Skarzs! I'll get as excited as I want too! I CAN'T WAIT!!!!
YES YES YES!!! This is SOOO exiting! I hoe they do it!
So do I! *squeals*
Quote from: The Skarzs on July 10, 2014, 01:20:24 AM
What did Jango just say? Don't get too excited or you'll be more disappointed.
Yeah, I know Redwall has a disappointing history of failed film adaptations, but I can still get excited about this latest news, right? ;D *Screams excitedly*
Yeah! *Squeals, the grabs Jukka's paws and dances happy dance*
*keeps fingers crossed and knocks on wood*
Be excited, if you like, but keep in mind the Hype Train's final stop is almost always disappointment in some way.
Quote from: rusvulthesaber on July 18, 2014, 12:13:38 AM
Be excited, if you like, but keep in mind the Hype Train's final stop is almost always disappointment in some way.
Yeah. This may be the closest a RW movie has ever come to happening, but that doesn't mean it will. An executive could always put a stop to it or it could wither on the vine (again)
Remember: A Redwall movie is a hard sell. Heck, if anything it'll be harder now than ever...
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Hey, Rus? Jango? Yes, yes, that all makes sense. But still! It can happen. so, please, no more pessimism!
All we're trying to do is prevent possible disappointment. Don't count your chickens before they hatch- But I'm just as hopeful that they will hatch as you are.
Thar's sweet, Russy dear. But unnecessary.
We're not trying to be pessimistic. Just realistic, as well as trying to caution people so they don't get disappointed & sad later.
Heck, I'd like it if this happened. Personally, I'd like it if it were successful enough to warrant a TV show for several other Tales ;)
I do really hope that it will work out! Even though Redwall isn't very popular I still think it would be fairly popular in the box office because it's a unique story or take the Narnia movie for a example the book was kinda like redwall popularity wise and it did pretty good in the box office I imagine it will be something like that but think of today's technology it would be very cool!
Cap'n Rock, what planet are you on? Narnia and Redwall are huge, popularity-wise.
If this does happen, I hope it will be like the Tale of Dessperoux movie animation. They did good for that movie !
Eh, it could have been better, but the movie was good.
Well I mean the rats look bad, and the mice good, like it should be. It made them look redwallish enough.
Well, yeah...I dunno. The animation itself just wasn't very good. :-\
Quote from: Cornflower MM on July 18, 2014, 10:39:22 PM
Well, yeah...I dunno. The animation itself just wasn't very good. :-\
Not to mention the unfocused, scattershot plot. When the title character takes almost half an hour to appear, you know you're in trouble. It's even worse when he plays second fiddle to a lot of the other characters...
Narrator: Remember when we said this story was about a mouse?
Me: A little, but it's been so long I almost forgot.
Ugh, I was just saying that it's probably the closest animation I've seen to Redwall :-\
Being "realistic," is just the facade put on by a pessimist to make it more socially acceptable. There are some places where facts must be faced, but a single statement is all that is need. Not consistent negative comments.
Quote from: JangoCoolguy on July 18, 2014, 10:50:18 PM
Quote from: Cornflower MM on July 18, 2014, 10:39:22 PM
Well, yeah...I dunno. The animation itself just wasn't very good. :-\
Not to mention the unfocused, scattershot plot. When the title character takes almost half an hour to appear, you know you're in trouble. It's even worse when he plays second fiddle to a lot of the other characters...
Narrator: Remember when we said this story was about a mouse?
Me: A little, but it's been so long I almost forgot.
Hey, hey, hey! The Tale of Desproux is a good movie, even IF the animation wasn't all that great. Chill.
Quote from: danflorreguba on July 19, 2014, 02:33:07 AM
Being "realistic," is just the facade put on by a pessimist to make it more socially acceptable. There are some places where facts must be faced, but a single statement is all that is need. Not consistent negative comments.
Exactly.
Quote from: Gonff the Mousethief on July 18, 2014, 10:59:46 PM
Ugh, I was just saying that it's probably the closest animation I've seen to Redwall :-\
It is, it is. The whole thing's like Redwall, actually! I just think the animation wasn't the best.
I'm a bit wary about this...
We knew someone had the rights and intended to use them because they shut down that DA group trying to make their own film. When you get a cease and desist notification, obviously something big will be happening, otherwise they wouldn't worry about fans releasing a film.
If we're looking at studios to supply animation, if you can get Blu-Sky Studios to do it, I think they would do a good job with it. They would be edgy enough not to give us a film minus the violent nature of the rats, and yet wouldn't go too nuts with pop culture like Dreamworks. My first thought was to let Animal Logic animate it, but they're more into birds than mammals.
Quote from: danflorreguba on July 19, 2014, 02:33:07 AM
Being "realistic," is just the facade put on by a pessimist to make it more socially acceptable. There are some places where facts must be faced, but a single statement is all that is need. Not consistent negative comments.
80% of the time that I'm hyped for something it either doesn't happen, it doesn't work for some reason, or it's not as good as I thought it would be. Have you heard of Cube World? It's a game that came out a few years ago. When it first came out, my computer was too slow to run it. Disappointment. I finally upgraded a year after it came out. I enjoyed it for a few days, then it got really stale and I realized it had very little content. Disappointment. Another game came out recently- Wildstar. I was really hyped, my computer can't run the game because even the upgrade was below par and too slow. A friend of mine played it, they found the content really boring and repetitive.
Now that's not to say that a potential Redwall movie would be the same- But it could be. So... Forgive me for being wary. If it's not appreciated, I'll discontinue with this topic.
You're ten cents is appreciated as you clearly show your view on the subject. Despite any of our hopes, this might turn out for naught, and those who are careful and, as you put it, realistic about it will have less to be disappointed for than those who are taking this hook, line and sinker. ;)
Quote from: The Skarzs on July 28, 2014, 05:08:06 PM. Despite any of our hopes, this might turn out for naught, and those who are careful and, as you put it, realistic about it will have less to be disappointed for than those who are taking this hook, line and sinker. ;)
Exactly.
We shouldn't get our hopes up until we've seen more.
Well, I will and am.
Well, here we are, 4 months later and notta word since
Has anyone heard ANYTHING, or has it withered on the vine yet again ???
I have a STRONG feeling that this movie is gonna happen, horrible or not. But in all seriousness, if this movie came out I would be so excited. It's one of those things I won't even consult the internet about, I'll just watch it. You know, even if it's kind of 'meh' I would appreciate the attempt at least. One thing reminds me of something though, The Secret of Nimf was a pretty good movie. Maybe the Redwall movie could be kind of like that?
There's a big difference between being prepared for something to not live up to your expectations, and expecting it to not be what you want. I'm trying to avoid the positive point of this topic being mired in a negative aura just because certain people are pessimistic. I'm personally really hopeful about this, not counting on it 100%, but hopeful. I'm sure no one minds if you state your view on the subject, but if you're going to keep posting, could you please try and bring up points? And different ones at that.
Again, just trying to keep the positive feelings that this topic brings to the board.
Quote from: JangoCoolguy on November 10, 2014, 12:19:40 AM
Well, here we are, 4 months later and notta word since
Has anyone heard ANYTHING, or has it withered on the vine yet again ???
Withered? Movie projects take time! And this is only for a film OPTION, which I think was made pretty clear. There's no updates.
If they do go through with this, I'd hope they do a sort of cgi style. This could help increase Redwall popularity, but, at the same time, if they change lots of the lore and everything, we'll have a bunch of people who only know Redwall from the movie and have the wrong ideas about lore. This has, somewhat, happened with the Lotr community.
Yeah CGI is the way to go. Like the Ga'Hoole movie style of CGI and animation.
Quote from: Soren the Warrior on November 17, 2014, 07:39:50 PM
Yeah CGI is the way to go. Like the Ga'Hoole movie style of CGI and animation.
That movie was very well done, aside from the extreme change to the story and characters. I'd love to see a Redwall movie like that. Also, the fact that Guardians got a movie should serve as hope for Redwall, as they have some similar characteristics, hence why I loved both series. (Though Brians writing was better, the Guardians of Ga'Hoole books were a bit more child-friendly as far as reading goes)
And if im not mistaken, Redwall was more popular than Ga'Hoole before the movie. It was about as well known as the Narnia series before those were made into movies, and look how well those did! I think a Redwall movie, if given the right CGI or animation design, would be fantastic!
Do you think there'd be major changes to the story if they made a film? How do you think everything would be portrayed?
I don't think I'd agree that the Redwall series is as popular as the Chronicles of Narnia; C.S. Lewis is definitely a more famous author than Mr. Jacques, and the Chronicles are probably his best-known work (although he has written other notable books).
As far as changes, expect the same kinds of things that were done in the TV series, except more so -- characters will get merged like crazy, and everything that doesn't have a direct relation to the adventure plot will get cut. If you have trouble fitting all the book into an entire television series, don't expect the film to be any better at that.
If we're making a book about Redwall: I think we lose everything about the tapestry theft. The only villains that the film would really have room to cover are Cluny, Asmodeus, Sela and Chickenhound; all the others are going to have to get very limited time. No Cheesethief, etc. The battles are probably largely glossed over; not only would showing that stuff in detail increase the rating, but there isn't really time for it anyway. The scabbard quest, the imprisonment by King Bull Sparra, etc. all has to be cut. The puzzle-solving and all of that has to be cut as much as possible, so as to keep Matthias moving from one place to another.
Honestly, though, I think a better book to adapt for this kind of thing might be Outcast. It has a great rivalry thing going -- the main hero and his sidekick, and the villain with his sidekick. If you get rid of all the stuff about Veil and Redwall Abbey then the events in the main plot are practically made for an epic film. There are lots of little anecdotes in the book that can be cropped out without even harming the main plot. Of course, the ending would have to be changed to account for not having Veil, Bryony, et al, but that isn't unduly hard.
Mariel would probably also be a great candidate; if you cut out the "attack on Redwall" thing it seems to be made to order. It pretty much follows the exact pattern used by many adventure films, and there are a lot of little things that can be chopped out of the story without hurting the quest any.
It's a shame it likely won't be 2D... but if an independent company had picked it up, they might've done a great job with it in 2D anyway. So assuming it's more of a major company (does it say? I haven't read every post), then I hope they keep the CGI animals realistic looking but with a humanish side like the bulk of the UK bookcovers do. I don't want massive heads in proportion to bodies and all that kind of silliness for Redwall, thank you!
I think Marlfox could have some good adaption, the majority of the book is the journey, and given that many movies are over 2 hours these days, I think they could fit in most of the journey, especially if they glossed over the Redwall portions. As you've said about others, the quest for the tapestry is fairly "made to order." ;)
What do you guys think about Mattimeo? I'm having a bit of a time remembering every thing that happened in that book, so I'm a little curious what you guys think would come of that.
@MeadowRabbit: Disproportion is more of an anime thing than a CGI thing, at least in my experience. It would be a bad move for them to try something like that, especially on animal characters.
^ How about Bolt? I still don't get that weird proportioning to this day! Basically I'm thinking of a lot of 3D films with baaad designs, not just a head being too big and whatnot. As long as they don't go too cartoony and too bright with the colours, as the books are of course quite serious in tone, there could be some hope.
If you've seen the movie Legend of the Guardians, bad movie but excellent CGI. Perhaps we will get lucky and they won't do it horribly.
Quote from: LT Sandpaw on November 18, 2014, 06:39:17 PM
If you've seen the movie Legend of the Guardians, bad movie but excellent CGI. Perhaps we will get lucky and they won't do it horribly.
Let's hope so.
I envision a Martin the Warrior-Mossflower-Redwall trilogy, which, if successful, could allow other books to be adapted. I think it's key to establish the character of Martin first for film audiences.
Problem with Mossflower being made into a film is how bloody it is in the last battle between Martin and Tsarmina: Both tore each other to near-pieces.
(Although, I really wouldn't mind a bit of that, because of what is really seen in battle.)
Didn't stip Legends of the Guardians. Metal Beak was stabbed with a burning stick for chesse sake.
Quote from: The Skarzs on November 18, 2014, 10:09:00 PM
Problem with Mossflower being made into a film is how bloody it is in the last battle between Martin and Tsarmina: Both tore each other to near-pieces.
(Although, I really wouldn't mind a bit of that, because of what is really seen in battle.)
I don't see that as a problem. There's violence in all the books...can you imagine seeing Gulo the Savage devour an enemy?!
The books are intended for a middle school audience. That's around age 12-13 (granted, I know many start younger, I started at age 10 myself). I'm not seeing a problem with a PG-13 adaptation, although if this can't be the case...I'd prefer the hardest PG possible.
LordTBT answered while I was posting, but so this doesn't go to waste:
If we limit the choice of book based on the violence depicted therein, I'm not sure off-hand whether any of them would pass the test. Just to list off a few:
In Redwall Matthias slices Killconey in half when the ferret gets thrown in his way.
In Mariel of Redwall Gabool literally lops the head off of Bludrigg (a move that is said to have elicited horror from "the most hardened corsairs").
In Outcast of Redwall Zigu tortures and kills Fordpetal.
In Pearls of Lutra Skipper gets torn up (though not fatally) by a Monitor. Lask Frildur similarly fatally mauls Romsca.
In The Long Patrol Rockjaw Grang gets run through by multiple javelins and arrows, and if I remember right, even pulls one of them out to use against the attacking Rapscallions.
In Marlfox Mokkan (and others) get torn to shreds by the pikes.
In Rakkety Tam Gulo's horde eats other beasts; also Gulo gets decapitated.
These are just a few examples. You can find something that's too violent for a safe rating in just about every book, if you look for it. Most likely a film adaption would either edit it out completely, or downplay the injuries' appearance, so that they wouldn't look as bad as all that (maybe a little blood, but no gaping wounds or anything).
I really don't have a problem with it; in fact, I would rather. . . enjoy (for lack of a better word) the addition of blood into it.
There's lots of books that are enormously gruesome that get mellowed down on film. my guess is they will mellow it down, which will be a shame.
As long as they don't remove the deaths entirely (like, for instance, Bragoon and Saro still die) I would be okay with some mellowing. In their current state, with no changes, the Redwall books would probably make of a pg-13 movie.
And just hope a Redwall movie wouldn't have the same unfortunate fate as LotG... <.<
Quote from: Izeroth on November 19, 2014, 01:37:54 AMIn their current state, with no changes, the Redwall books would probably make of a pg-13 movie.
Do there will definitely be changes. Unless, of course, it's released directly on home media... (then again, the MPAA rating system is a bad joke and shouldn't be taken seriously)
There are ways you could still include the deaths without making them detailed. For example, with Rockjaw Grang and his last stand, one could just depict it as Tammo and Manycoats running off and end the scene with him charging at the enemy yelling blood and vinegar. Personally, I think The Long Patrol would make a fantastic adaptation. When I think CGI, I think Narnia, personally, and I think that sort of style would be perfect for this. Ga'Hoole also had a pretty neat art style that would work. There are ways of making violent battles toned down on the blood so that it could fit a PG movie. Just because a scene was brutal in the book doesn't mean that it'll be adapted the same way on film, you know?
Gore is not necessary for death to be a big part of it. I rather like how it was done in the Nelvana Redwall tv show, though I don't think that much of an effort for no visual violence is necessary... Stabbing people and bleeding through slash wounds is fine by me, when blood/innards spray(s) everywhere is kind of where I draw the line.
Quote from: rusvulthesaber on November 20, 2014, 03:29:06 AM
Gore is not necessary for death to be a big part of it. I rather like how it was done in the Nelvana Redwall tv show, though I don't think that much of an effort for no visual violence is necessary... Stabbing people and bleeding through slash wounds is fine by me, when blood/innards spray(s) everywhere is kind of where I draw the line.
That kind of graphic showing is not only needlessly violent, it's also unrealistic. I like some blood and wounding in a movie,
when used properly. It adds a sense of urgency and the atmosphere is thicker. As far as lost limbs go, a movie that includes ages like 12(and possibly below) would most likely lead in close to the blow, but cut off the camera with some obscure way of showing what happened so that more astute audiences aren't left wondering (like the bad guy from the animated Tarzan, he accidentally hung himself from the vines, but the actual portrayal is a lightning flash that cast a shadow on a trunk behind Tarzan).
I like things being realistic to a point; that's why I think some blood should be appropriate.
As to an example of where loss of limbs or death or something along those lines was hinted at but not necessarily shown was in an episode of Justice League, where Aquaman cuts off his arm to save his baby child. They showed him raising the sharp metal object. . . and the next scene he's in he has a wrapped-up stub.
Quote from: The Skarzs on November 20, 2014, 04:30:44 AM
I like things being realistic to a point; that's why I think some blood should be appropriate.
As to an example of where loss of limbs or death or something along those lines was hinted at but not necessarily shown was in an episode of Justice League, where Aquaman cuts off his arm to save his baby child. They showed him raising the sharp metal object. . . and the next scene he's in he has a wrapped-up stub.
I've never seen that show, so that sounded really out of the blue to me.
But about that blood topic: I agree that blood would be appropriate, but any grory death scenes, especially involving Gulo, would be out of line.
Quote from: danflorreguba on November 20, 2014, 04:11:15 AM
Quote from: rusvulthesaber on November 20, 2014, 03:29:06 AM
Gore is not necessary for death to be a big part of it. I rather like how it was done in the Nelvana Redwall tv show, though I don't think that much of an effort for no visual violence is necessary... Stabbing people and bleeding through slash wounds is fine by me, when blood/innards spray(s) everywhere is kind of where I draw the line.
That kind of graphic showing is not only needlessly violent, it's also unrealistic. I like some blood and wounding in a movie, when used properly. It adds a sense of urgency and the atmosphere is thicker. As far as lost limbs go, a movie that includes ages like 12(and possibly below) would most likely lead in close to the blow, but cut off the camera with some obscure way of showing what happened so that more astute audiences aren't left wondering (like the bad guy from the animated Tarzan, he accidentally hung himself from the vines, but the actual portrayal is a lightning flash that cast a shadow on a trunk behind Tarzan).
Here, here!
We don't need the gory details. People can still be killed and play for keeps without it getting all nasty. The Nelvana cartoon did a good job with this. Heck, that was one of my favorite things about it! And it could easily happen again with enough effort and skill.
In movies like Lord of the Rings they did a great job keeping it real but not making it overly gruesome.
I have no delusions about a Redwall movie having violence in it, but I also know Hollywood has a masterful ability to subvert violent imagery down to shadows and horrified reactions. They probably won't remove that kind of material, but rather just cover most of it up, letting us figure out what really happened based on secondary events.
Lets hope they do it!
I hope it happens soon, but if it's still in option phase, for this long, I'd love to be the optimist but I'm not to sure it's going to happen.
Quote from: Soren the Warrior on November 24, 2014, 05:40:43 AM
I hope it happens soon, but if it's still in option phase, for this long, I'd love to be the optimist but I'm not to sure it's going to happen.
Movies can be in the 'option phase' for years, guys.
Quote from: LordTBT on November 24, 2014, 11:45:05 PMMovies can be in the 'option phase' for years, guys.
Oooohhhh!
Okay. Now I feel guilty about reviving this thread. I TOTALLY jumped the gun :(
I really hope they make a Redwall movie. That would be so awesome!!!!! Just hope the anamations are good ::)
I'd love to see a Redwall movie, but I know that whoever made it would mess up. Movies are never as good as the books, and things are always left out...
Gore doesn't bother. Though I do think that wouldn't be a good idea for a Redwall movie. Some violence is necessary for a Redwall film though.
I would like a portion of gore, but not so much. A 300 type of gory will put me off.
Yes, Lord of the Rings-ish would be good. I was quite disappointed with the tv series because they took nearly all the violence out. I mean, come on! In Martin The Warrior, they tie Skalrag (I think that's his name) to the gate and shoot him full of arrows. In the tv series, they tickle him with feathers!!! I would've liked to see more action, and a little more realistic animations too.
Remember that the show was meant for children, and while it was obvious Skalrag died, it wasn't all that necessary to show how, despite it being inaccurate and. . . disappointing.
If they had characters jumping up high in the air impossible for any creature on Earth to do, I will watch that movie ten times. Also, i think that the movie should be kid-friendly but made in the style of Farthing Wood series with a lot of gruesome deaths. Which book are they making a movie out of?
If they were to make Redwall into a good movie, I would think it would be the first book.
Quote from: Lord_Ashenwyte on January 31, 2015, 06:19:32 AM
Which book are they making a movie out of?
It would HAVE to be "Redwall", of course. It had the shortest, simplest, most streamlined story what would be easy to adapt into a 90 minute-2 hour film.
Plus, nuthin' beats to Original!
I think there are other stories that might be easier or better for film -- Mariel or Outcast, for instance -- but Redwall does likely get the nod just because it's the first one. The historic record shows us how likely this is to happen: the only comic book so far is an adaption of Redwall. It also got first attention in the TV series, audio books, etc. It helps that it's a proven winner; after all, it proved to be more than adequate as the starting point for a 20+ book series. Even if you might hypothetically do better with another book in the series, you certainly can't go wrong with that one.
I'd like to see Mossflower adapted to film, though.
Mossflower could work. Maybe even Salamandastron.
Or Lord Brocktree, they could make the movies in chronological order...
But Lord Brocktree might not work because Ol' Brockers was an expert in sword combat while in Redwall or Mossflower the main protagonists are relatively inexperienced.
I would really like to see the Long Patrol made into a movie, it is personally my favorite with an exciting story, it has lots of action plus the riddles and things along with some great humor. Plus it gives the origins of Cregga who's in quite a few stories.
I really want the animation used in Wes Anderson's Fantastic Mr. Fox. It was new, it was cool, annd it looked awesome.