You know the Foxwolf, Urgan Nagru? Well, I was just wondering about that wolf skin of his. It is the only time there is a wolf in the books, so I was just wondering about why there are never any other wolves.
Hmm I don't know, he didn't have a whole lot of cold up north parts in his books.
It said on The Redwall Wiki that that was the only time in the hole series that there was ever a refrence to a Wolf.
I believe that it says in the book that he found the wolf dead. The carcass could of been thrown around a bit, or carried a long distance. But, maybe there are wolves, but no creature never had any contact with them.
Quote from: CrazyPug37 on May 02, 2013, 11:06:37 PM
I believe that it says in the book that he found the wolf dead. The carcass could of been thrown around a bit, or carried a long distance. But, maybe there are wolves, but no creature never had any contact with them.
Exept Urgan Nagru, that is.
Quote from: Ungatt Trunn on May 02, 2013, 11:07:49 PM
Quote from: CrazyPug37 on May 02, 2013, 11:06:37 PM
I believe that it says in the book that he found the wolf dead. The carcass could of been thrown around a bit, or carried a long distance. But, maybe there are wolves, but no creature never had any contact with them.
Except Urgan Nagru, that is.
I don't really know if BJ says that The Urgan Nagru was actually a wolf in the book, he might of just been an Arctic fox in his summer coat.
Quote from: CrazyPug37 on May 02, 2013, 11:12:24 PM
Quote from: Ungatt Trunn on May 02, 2013, 11:07:49 PM
Quote from: CrazyPug37 on May 02, 2013, 11:06:37 PM
I believe that it says in the book that he found the wolf dead. The carcass could of been thrown around a bit, or carried a long distance. But, maybe there are wolves, but no creature never had any contact with them.
Except Urgan Nagru, that is.
I don't really know if BJ says that The Urgan Nagru was actually a wolf in the book, he might of just been an Arctic fox in his summer coat.
No, I meant that Urgan Nagru was the only creature in the series to see a Wolve, not that he was a wolve himself.
Sorry there, messed up a bit.
:P
The whole thing with wolves is that they would be huge in reality, and so would be very hard to kill.
The wolve froze to death.
Quote from: Leatho Shellhound on May 03, 2013, 03:28:11 AM
The wolve froze to death.
That is not what I mean. I mean the reason they don't play a part in the series is that they would be hard to kill. I know that THAT wolf froze to death, I was talking about wolves in general.
Quote from: Shadowed One on May 03, 2013, 12:43:46 PM
Quote from: Leatho Shellhound on May 03, 2013, 03:28:11 AM
The wolve froze to death.
That is not what I mean. I mean the reason they don't play a part in the series is that they would be hard to kill. I know that THAT wolf froze to death, I was talking about wolves in general.
Ohhh, ok. Yes I see what you mean.
I seem to recall some character in one of the earlier books saying something to the effect of "they're making enough noise for a pack of wolves" although I can't for the life of me remember which title. I think Shadowed One has the right of it on this one, the introduction of wolves to Mossflower would spell certain death for anybeast that tried to stand in their way... or just ended up being lunch. Eventually, the wolves would eat everything and then there would be no stories. ;)
Maybe so, I just wanted your input because my fanfic, "The Invaders", is about wolves coming to Mossflower.
It sure didn't stop the Redwall crew from killing a wolverine and those are beastly to kill because of their ferociousness. Perhaps as hard as or more difficult than a wolf. ;) So, the thought that wolves don't show up because they're hard to kill is a moot point. Redwall goodbeasts can bring down anything.
I have just started to re-read Martin the Warrior, and there was a reference to wolves. When Brome was yelling to get a messege through to Rose and Grumm, it was remarked that he was amking noise like an injured wolf, or something like that.
Yes, but if that is what you consider a reference, then there are references to dogs and cows.
I'm pretty sure it said "Urgan Nagru was the only fox ever to kill a wolf" which would mean that the wolf didn't freeze to death.
Yeah, Yeah but it was all just a lie. He actually just found it dead, took its skin, and said he killed it. They explain that later in the book.
I think that the very existence of the wolf in The Bellmaker is enough to make them canon to the Redwall universe. And as Lutra said, introducing them to Mossflower shouldn't be a problem -- just an epic tale. Redwallers have come up against wolverines and monitors, after all. I'm sure including them in your story shouldn't be any kind of a problem. You could always reimagine them at a similar size to the other animals, if the size difference really bothers you. :)
As for references, I wish I had the memory to look them all up. Wolves are mentioned in passing throughout multiple books, but I can't recall if it was largely narration or dialogue, or even which books. Sorry, matey!
Interesting. You know, wolves never really occurred to me in the Redwallian world out of sheer appreciation of their size. Now that being said, we have Martin, a mouse, killing Tsarmina, a wildcat, so the size ratio would be similar for either a hare or a otter to take down a wolf. With that in mind, I guess it is plausible. However, it seems Jacques preferred to resort to the small breed animals. To my knowledge the only real "large" animal he references to is the horse in Redwall, but that in itself is an oddity that I am surprised wasn't edited out.
Quote from: Free Thought on May 06, 2013, 12:09:43 AM
Interesting. You know, wolves never really occurred to me in the Redwallian world out of sheer appreciation of their size. Now that being said, we have Martin, a mouse, killing Tsarmina, a wildcat, so the size ratio would be similar for either a hare or a otter to take down a wolf. With that in mind, I guess it is plausible. However, it seems Jacques preferred to resort to the small breed animals. To my knowledge the only real "large" animal he references to is the horse in Redwall, but that in itself is an oddity that I am surprised wasn't edited out.
Badgers can be quite large, and a large badger, such as Ambrevina from the Sable Quean, might be as large as a small wolf.
*wolf expert walk toward you guys with a chalk board and swagger cane*
although wolves are prety much dogs,the are ussualy taller with longer legs,also there keen sense of smell would aid them largely in combat,thirdly wolves nearly always work in packs unless rejected for bad behavior or the rest of the pack being killed by those disgusting freaks called humans.
id go on but i have to comb my tail fur!
Lol!
It would have been cool too see a wolf in the Redwall books.
Quote from: Shadowed One on May 04, 2013, 10:00:13 PM
Yes, but if that is what you consider a reference, then there are references to dogs and cows.
But, if they come from the very first Redwall book written, that one is different from the rest. It even has a slight refrence to humans. Just saying :-\
Quote from: Ungatt Trunn on May 13, 2013, 11:18:41 PM
Quote from: Shadowed One on May 04, 2013, 10:00:13 PM
Yes, but if that is what you consider a reference, then there are references to dogs and cows.
But, if they come from the very first Redwall book written, that one is different from the rest. It even has a slight refrence to humans. Just saying :-\
It does?
I must of never noticed that.
brian wasent planning for a whole series when he wrote the first one,that one has alot of references to things not mentioned in any other books.
i remember reading in one book a vermin describing shrews as "fighting like wolves with those rapiers" meaning wolves must be known to be great warriors,but very reclusive like in real life as they are rarely mentioned.
I would guess they would live in the far northern regions of Mossflower.
Quote from: Shadowed One on May 22, 2013, 01:54:43 PM
I would guess they would live in the far northern regions of Mossflower.
Probably outside of Mossflower, to the north.
this topic really got me thinking,i mean brian never mentions wolves as bad,so mabey they just keep to themselves in the northen reigons not wanting anything to do with mossflower.
Yeah, that is what I meant. Though there must have been some where Urgan Nagru lived, because he has that wolf skin.
Quote from: Shadowed One on May 23, 2013, 12:16:47 PM
Yeah, that is what I meant. Though there must have been some where Urgan Nagru lived, because he has that wolf skin.
Didn't it say in
The Bellmaker that the wolf that Urgan killed was in the Far North or something like that?
Quote from: Ungatt Trunn on May 23, 2013, 07:15:16 PM
Quote from: Shadowed One on May 23, 2013, 12:16:47 PM
Yeah, that is what I meant. Though there must have been some where Urgan Nagru lived, because he has that wolf skin.
Didn't it say in The Bellmaker that the wolf that Urgan killed was in the Far North or something like that?
Yes, it was from the far north,
but Urgan never killed a wolf. He found it dead.
It was frozen to death so he skinned it.
Now that I think about it, there are references to wolves all over the series. The only solid proof is the Urgan Nagru's skin.
There is only one mention of a wolf in the entire Redwall Series, namely the Urgan Nagru. We know from "The Bellmaker" that Urgan found the wolf hide he wears on a wolf that had been long dead and was frozen. Are there other wolves in the Redwall universe? My guess would be yes. Why, you ask. Because of Gulo the Savage. Wolverines do not get far enough south to have ever been heard of in Mossflower, let alone be a credible threat, therefore something had to be keeping them in check. Why else would they stay so far north? My guess is the Wolverines and wolves were enemies, each evenly matched and as a result were often fighting over the same land in the far north, inadvertently keeping each other out of the south. When Gulo the Savage and Askor finally make it south it is obvious they have time to do this, meaning that the wolves are no longer a threat.
Quote from: alderbowbeast on July 17, 2013, 08:02:23 AM
There is only one mention of a wolf in the entire Redwall Series, namely the Urgan Nagru. We know from "The Bellmaker" that Urgan found the wolf hide he wears on a wolf that had been long dead and was frozen. Are there other wolves in the Redwall universe? My guess would be yes. Why, you ask. Because of Gulo the Savage. Wolverines do not get far enough south to have ever been heard of in Mossflower, let alone be a credible threat, therefore something had to be keeping them in check. Why else would they stay so far north? My guess is the Wolverines and wolves were enemies, each evenly matched and as a result were often fighting over the same land in the far north, inadvertently keeping each other out of the south. When Gulo the Savage and Askor finally make it south it is obvious they have time to do this, meaning that the wolves are no longer a threat.
Or becauze it vaz betveen wolverinez an' nae wolverinez v.z volvez.
does the wolverine from Rakkety Tam count :-*
Quote from: rachel25 on July 18, 2013, 02:25:40 PM
does the wolverine from Rakkety Tam count :-*
Wolves and Wolverines are completely different. Are wolverines even canine?
No they are more related to badgers and weasels
Hooray, Weasels!
HIAG HAS'NT SPOKEN WITH AN ACCENT!!!!!!!! :o :o :o :o
Zure ah 'ave, ah juzt 'old Weasels in zuch 'igh regard zat ah zpell it ze vay it iz zuppozed tae be zpelled. WEASELS!!!
But, but, but, you mean you are just going to keep talking in accents? Oh well, at least I understood you once.
The dirge hounds may have been wolves.
Ah zink zey might 'ave been zome kind o' ferretz. May'apz zey vere like orcz, tortured an' conditioned until zey vere ze fearzome dirgecaverz zat vere in ze book.
An' ah juzt looked zem up on ze Redwall Viki, an' it zayz zat zey are tvo female Ermine zat vere driven mad by captivity. Zae ah guezz zey vere nae volvez, nyet?
Wolves! No way! :o