The Empire

[Mattio]

THANKS BACK ON TOPIC

[Kitsune]

Ok... I wonder how Verdauga conquered it all originally? Maybe there was a big kingdom and when Verdauga and Ungatt's father died, they each got half.

[Romsca]

I'm sorta with that  because he still had a horde of vermin and he stole from woodlanders. (3 MORE POSTS)

TSARMINA ordered THE SOLDIERS to steal from the woodlanders. Verdauga probably wasn't involved in it at all

[Kitsune]

True. Original question of mine:

Ok... I wonder how Verdauga conquered it all originally? Maybe there was a big kingdom and when Verdauga and Ungatt's father died, they each got half.

[Jetthebinturong]

Verdauga walked in, saw Kotir, decided he wanted it and seeing as no one else lived IN KOTIR ITSELF he decided to live there. Then the people of Mossflower decided "No wildcats thank you very much" and tried to drive him out and that's when he enslaved them

[Shadowed One]

It is hard to say if he was good or bad since he was only in a few chapters.

[Romsca]

Verdauga walked in, saw Kotir, decided he wanted it and seeing as no one else lived IN KOTIR ITSELF he decided to live there. Then the people of Mossflower decided "No wildcats thank you very much" and tried to drive him out and that's when he enslaved them

At least I'm not the only one who doesn't think he was evil!

[Rusvul]

Err... I don't think we know enough about him to say whether he is good or evil, but I am guessing the latter because of a few things:
1) He may not have enslaved the woodlanders in the same manner that the Marlfoxes did, but he certainly didn't pay them. If he really wanted to pay them, he would have let them keep everything they grew. Then, he wouldn't owe them anything, and they wouldn't owe him anything. There's not really a currency in redwall anyway.
2) He seemed to have a lot of land, and expanding it to Mossflower seems like the move of a conqueror. Most conquerors were viewed as evil in redwall, I cannot think of one who was treated as good.
3) Gingivere, his son, the good one in the family, walked away, implying that those who he was leaving were evil. Of course, this could just refer to Ungatt and Tsarmina, but still.

[Romsca]

Ungatt wasn't there and Verdauga was dead by the time Gingivere left.

[Norham Waterpaw]

.    An empire is one where the ones in power want to control more than just what they see.  You never gather that Verdauga or even Tsarmina for that matter, want any more control beyond the land they own...and that is the immediate land around Kotir. 

Well not exactly....If an empire was simply a power that wanted more land then an empire couldn't really exsist, because there is always more to control, right?

That's why empires do exist, it's called greed. Sin is a bottomless pit, you can't content yourself with sin, you always want more.

[Romsca]

Not all emperors/ empresses were bad. Queen Victoria of the British Empire was actually really good!

[Jetthebinturong]

Tell that to the people she conquered

[Redwaller]

.    An empire is one where the ones in power want to control more than just what they see.  You never gather that Verdauga or even Tsarmina for that matter, want any more control beyond the land they own...and that is the immediate land around Kotir. 

Well not exactly....If an empire was simply a power that wanted more land then an empire couldn't really exsist, because there is always more to control, right?

That's why empires do exist, it's called greed. Sin is a bottomless pit, you can't content yourself with sin, you always want more.

True

[Romsca]

So you're saying Verdauga was greedy?

[Jetthebinturong]

Verdauga wasn't an emperor