I was thinking that since Martin's sword is made (http://redwallabbey.com/forum/index.php?topic=5875.msg281586#msg281586) of an asteroid and the Badger Lord (forgot his name :L) said how hard it was to heat the metal, it could be made of iridium, osmium, titanium, or other metals that normally they wouldn't be able to mine. Thoughts?
I would think you're right. Wasn't the sword partially "star" and partially regular metal.
It might have been a natural alloy. Iridium is naturally brittle and heavy, osmium is also such (but used as a catalyst in alloys) and titanium is relatively light. It might be an alloy of those three, iron, and nickel. (Why nickel? Martin's sword never rusted, so I think it had some metal to prevent it from doing that.)
It would have to be something that's VERY hard to break
Titanium in the alloy would give it strength, and iron would help cancel out the brittleness.
What is alloy? I probably should know, but I don't.
It's metal I think
An alloy is a mix of metals for greater strength, melting temperature, or weight. Brass and bronze are alloys.
Ok. So you're saying that the asteroid was probably alloy, right?
It was most likely a metallic asteroid rather than a stony-iron or stony asteroid. Yeah, the Badger Lord said it was made from a star that fell, but a falling asteroid would have, if big enough, burned up to become red-hot.
Apparently, it took a lot of heat to forge the blade. According to this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forging_temperature), nickel is able to be forged at around 2000 F. It melts 600 F above that. Titanium's forging temperature is 1700 F, and it melts at 3000 F. Osmium melts at 5400 F, which could explain how the forge needed to be so hot for the blade to be workable. Iridium is probably similar.
Quote from: 321tumbler on March 14, 2014, 08:58:13 PM
Ok. So you're saying that the asteroid was probably alloy, right?
Yeah.
Quote from: BadgerLordFiredrake on March 14, 2014, 09:52:52 PM
It was most likely a metallic asteroid rather than a stony-iron or stony asteroid. Yeah, the Badger Lord said it was made from a star that fell, but a falling asteroid would have, if big enough, burned up to become red-hot.
Apparently, it took a lot of heat to forge the blade. According to this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forging_temperature), nickel is able to be forged at around 2000 F. It melts 600 F above that. Titanium's forging temperature is 1700 F, and it melts at 3000 F. Osmium melts at 5400 F, which could explain how the forge needed to be so hot for the blade to be workable. Iridium is probably similar.
That must be really hot
Yeah. For a little context, the blowtorches that we use in my blacksmithing class are about 2,400 F, and that's hot enough to cut through high carbon steel, with proper use.
That's with a higher pressure oxygen flow behind it. If not for that, you would have to heat the metal to, like, 2900 degrees.
Quote from: The Skarzs on March 14, 2014, 07:04:42 PM
Titanium in the alloy would give it strength, and iron would help cancel out the brittleness.
Where on earth do you get the Titanium.
We're speculating that it was a natural space alloy.
Meteors aren't on earth :P
But meteors can fall onto the earth even though they are usually small.
Quote from: rusvulthesaber on April 09, 2014, 08:30:14 PM
Meteors aren't on earth :P
Ya think?
His sword was made of a falling star, so it would be a meteor.
Quote from: 321tumbler on April 09, 2014, 08:52:07 PM
But meteors can fall onto the earth even though they are usually small.
Well, I reckon it was a pretty large meteor, 'cause most of it burns up in the air.
It's a cool thought.
Well, they're not from Earth. Or Terra, as it should be called. Why is Earth not called Terra? Terra is a far superior name.
Quote from: The Skarzs on April 09, 2014, 09:07:23 PM
Quote from: rusvulthesaber on April 09, 2014, 08:30:14 PM
Meteors aren't on earth :P
Ya think?
His sword was made of a falling star, so it would be a meteor.
Wasn't there another sword made from a falling star?
Quote from: The Shade on April 09, 2014, 10:06:38 PM
Quote from: 321tumbler on April 09, 2014, 08:52:07 PM
But meteors can fall onto the earth even though they are usually small.
Well, I reckon it was a pretty large meteor, 'cause most of it burns up in the air.
I mean it would've been small when it reached the earth. Maybe basketball size.
Would've made more than one sword, then. It only takes about 4-6 lbs. of metal to make a sword, and a meteor the size of a basketball would be probably weigh 100 lbs.
D:
Maybe that's where the rest of those insanely tough badger weapons came from.
Think about that: maybe they were all from the same meteor.
If it was 100 lbs. how would it be carried?
. . .
Think about that for a moment. 100 lbs. would be carry able. And that is only if the meteor were basketball sized.
Quote from: The Skarzs on April 10, 2014, 05:37:16 PM
. . .
Think about that for a moment. 100 lbs. would be carry able. And that is only if the meteor were basketball sized.
How strong are we considering the animals (compared to humans)?
Human-strength. A fit person would be able to lift that much.
Mind you, this is still based on the speculation that the meteor was that large. One can safely say it was probably smaller. Even if it was only 50 lbs. it would be quite a substantial piece of metal and able to be made into more than a few things.
I think I was basing it on how much I could carry since I'm twelve. A Badger Lord could do it.
I see.
Quote from: The Skarzs on April 10, 2014, 04:36:42 PM
Would've made more than one sword, then. It only takes about 4-6 lbs. of metal to make a sword, and a meteor the size of a basketball would be probably weigh 100 lbs.
D:
Maybe that's where the rest of those insanely tough badger weapons came from.
Think about that: maybe they were all from the same meteor.
Well, some of it might have been mixed with rock. Remember, this is molten metal we're talking about. I doubt all of it was as pure as Martin's sword.
Molten? I don't think so. . .
I doubt they would be able to get liquid tungsten, osmium, iridium, or any other of the heavier metals.
Definitely not liquid, but they would be malleable at 2700 degrees or so.
Revive!
Okay, I was thinking about Martin's sword in the animated series, and how it has the words "I AM THAT IS" ground into it. Not only would this cause problems on the battlefield with all those grooves causing resistance, and catching blood and dirt, but it would ruin the structural integrity of the blade. In short, the sword in the animated Redwall would hardly be a choice weapon for an experienced sword-wielder.
I wouldn't grind any large words or anything into a sword. Some minor decorative surface work is OK, but should be kept to the minimum and very shallow.
(http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100718163102/redwall/images/9/98/SwordOfMartinTVshow.JPG)
Well, sword etching is apparently a refined technique, although I don't know whether it was ever done on actual working blades, or if it's only used on ceremonial/modern junk. Given that it's on television, though, where they want to blow everything up to make it visible to the viewers, I'm not sure I would assume that it's 'actually' worse than the limits of that real-world technique would mandate.
For what it's worth, although both Martin and Matthias use the phrase multiple times, I'm not sure that the sword is ever mentioned as actually having this inscription on it in Redwall, so if this is a problem, it's a problem exclusive to the animated series.
*Is having a problem not blurting out the problems seen in the animated sword. . .*
Yes, it's just in the animated series; just wanted to point that out.
Oh, hey! That sword's class (in the picture) is an arming sword. ;D
Quote from: The Skarzs on October 10, 2014, 07:38:30 PM
Oh, hey! That sword's class (in the picture) is an arming sword. ;D
Every picture I've ever seen of Martin's sword, with the exception of that nutty
Redwall cover (http://redwallabbey.com/forum/index.php?topic=6373.0) that was posted up a couple of months back, depict it as being such, so that's one thing that they got right.
Quote from: The Skarzs on March 14, 2014, 07:04:42 PM
Titanium in the alloy would give it strength, and iron would help cancel out the brittleness.
My glasses are made out of Titanium :P
Quote from: BadgerLordFiredrake on March 13, 2014, 11:12:43 PM
I was thinking that since Martin's sword is made (http://redwallabbey.com/forum/index.php?topic=5875.msg281586#msg281586) of an asteroid and the Badger Lord (forgot his name :L) said how hard it was to heat the metal, it could be made of iridium, osmium, titanium, or other metals that normally they wouldn't be able to mine. Thoughts?
Not that this probably matters anymore, but it was Boar the Fighter :)
Quote from: The Skarzs on October 10, 2014, 07:09:24 PM
Revive!
Okay, I was thinking about Martin's sword in the animated series, and how it has the words "I AM THAT IS" ground into it. Not only would this cause problems on the battlefield with all those grooves causing resistance, and catching blood and dirt, but it would ruin the structural integrity of the blade. In short, the sword in the animated Redwall would hardly be a choice weapon for an experienced sword-wielder.
That's not nearly as much of a problem as you're making it out to be.
Didn't the sword Ulfbhert have runes etched into it?
Edit: Realized they already covered the issue of the engraving.
Many swords have had inscriptions on them and functioned perfectly well.
Quote from: BadgerLordFiredrake on March 13, 2014, 11:12:43 PM
I was thinking that since Martin's sword is made (http://redwallabbey.com/forum/index.php?topic=5875.msg281586#msg281586) of an asteroid and the Badger Lord (forgot his name :L) said how hard it was to heat the metal, it could be made of iridium, osmium, titanium, or other metals that normally they wouldn't be able to mine. Thoughts?
That was Boar the Fighter
Many swords have had inscriptions on them and functioned perfectly well.