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It had its pros and cons. It was less interesting than I'd expected a book about the ancient Abbey to be. It was obvious Brian Jacques was running out of ideas, as he was now trying to make the book a story about incredibly whiny delinquent "realistic" teenaged characters instead of the usual heroic ones, and, while characters who have more flaws can be interesting, it was just really awkward when put on paper in the form of animal characters. The Abbot, when talking about how he'd just let them do as they wished and learn on their own, didn't seem like an authentic Redwall Abbot; it was too contrived. I also hated the whiny male teenaged hare and didn't care for the awkwardly written mousemaid who was his friend, either. It was like Brian tried to pull the characters out of Abbey habits and flowing frocks and stick them into skinny jeans and sweat drenched T-shirts.
On the other hand, the storyline with the young vermin who learned their lesson was awesome. I'd reread Loamhedge if only for those characters. The ending with the squirrel and the otter heroes' death was also cool.

I actually liked how Brian Jacques strayed from the typical, yet always lovable, heroes. He was trying something new by making the young ones more like the ones of this world. It's not that he was running out of ideas, it's that he was using new ones.

I was disappointed in it because it wasn't during the time when loamhedge was an abbey full of mice, and I just assumed it would be a tale from the time of the abbey, so it is sort of my fault that I didn't like it because I expected it to be something it wasn't. A good way to put it in perspective is like how chopped cucumbers and chopped Zucchini slices look almost the same, I like the taste of both, but if I am expecting cucumber and bite into Zucchini it will leave a bad taste in my mouth, why? because I didn't expect it. The book also seemed to consist of two separate stories that don't really connect so that was kind of weird.

Second least favorite book in the series.
I was annoyed at Martha, bored with Horty, and I don't even remember the villain's name.

Guess we all have our weak works and Brian's no exception, but that doesn't make the series any less awesome as a whole.

Quote from: Ashleg on October 03, 2016, 02:54:11 AM
Second least favorite book in the series.
I was annoyed at Martha, bored with Horty, and I don't even remember the villain's name.

Guess we all have our weak works and Brian's no exception, but that doesn't make the series any less awesome as a whole.

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What was your least favourite? :p

Also, @alexandre, your signature is pointlessly huge. Can you maybe get rid of all the empty lines that are doing nothing but take up space?

Triss.

Quote from: Ashleg on October 03, 2016, 04:20:17 AM
Triss.

     It seems that many would agree, although I found the Rouge Crew to be worse than Triss, at least in Triss, Jacques made the villains hilarious. And thought the main character was queen of sues, I thought the rest was OK.

                                                       - Rat

Just finished my re-reading of Loamhedge and I felt myself rather enjoy it, contrary to what others have said. It took a while to read, due to other things going on, so actually already I can't remember all that happened in the first part of the book! Bit of an incomplete why I liked the book here. I liked the Saro and Bragoon team - nice to have that sort of focus on some older creatures. In a similar way, it was interesting to have the obviously teenager characters and I think they worked rather nicely in the end. I liked that we could go back to Loamhedge, albeit briefly, but at least it gave the place another mention.

The little things that I liked less were Horty being one of the more annoying hares. I think as I've got older I've gained even less tolerance for such characters as hares that won't pipe down about food; not to mention the childish way they act when they're caught out on it. Think that kind of character wasn't made to appeal much to the older reader! I suppose my gripe with Lonna is a general gripe with many badger characters, too. Somehow their need to destroy all 'baddies', no matter what, even if they may not have actually done anything, doesn't quite sit with me, as is their lack of consideration for other 'goodbeasts' at times. I suppose Raga Bol could have had more of a presence.

It has been a while since I have read that book, but from what I can remember, your points are very valid.
Did it seem that the quest was very. . . staged, so to speak? Regardless of the normal spirit of Martin interractions, certain things seemed so coincidental and forced. Who ended up with the sword in the end, the convenient wearets cutting off that loose end of Bragoon and Saro (which didn't seem to add to the story other than showing their companionship through to the end and maybe as a way for the three youngsters to grow up), what happened to the note, and the cure itself!


. . . Dunno. :P Am I trying to find stuff wrong with it?

No, you're just pointing out what is wrong with it. Which are a lot of things.

Oh yeah, I wonder what was in the original note. I think Bragoon and Saro's note was pretty wise, mind. :D

On a medical level, though. . .

Yeah. Had we not known that Martha had a phantom problem with her legs that could be fixed, then it could have come over as an insensitive note!

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I'm not sure if I ever read this book. Part of me says that the last Redwall book I ever read was Triss, but immediately another part says, "I know I read a book that Loamhedge in it...besides Mattimeo." And, even if I haven't read it, I've heard about Bragoon, Sarobando, & Martha Braebuck, and I got opinions on 'em:

Bragoon and Sarobando: Rrrgh, I hate these two so much! At some point, BJ just felt we need to hate the vermin and worship the woodlanders simply for that their species, when in Mossflower, Martin, Gonff, Dinny, & Log-a-Log show sympathy for a dead searat and give him a burial, and there's always been those vermin who aren't completely bad, they're just trying to get by! But nope, we have HATE the vermin and believe they deserve every misfortune they suffer and feel the heroes were in the right to do so, and Bragoon & Sarobando empathize that perfectly. Their introduction shows them walking into a bandit camp to harass the vermin, steal their fish, & inadvertently cause a scuffle that gets the leader kill, which they don't give one whit about! And what had these vermin done to deservethat? Up until the that point, the most verminous thing we've seen 'em do is fry fish. What happened to characters like Mortimer, Saxtus, & Brome, who couldn't stand the thought of killing, not even their enemies, and wished for peaceful solutions. But Bragoon & Saro ain't done, no, not by a long shot. On their way to Loamhedge, they travel through a desert, where they a dormouse named Toobledum, and some jerbilrats. When they meet a jerbilrat, they beat him up, steal his supplies when he lives in a desert, force him to be their prisoner, and don't give a rat's behind when a hawk carries him off! And their defense? His species name contains the word "rat". Likewise, Toobledum is a glutton, and claims he has "little of his own", and Saro decides to give him "all they can spare". But when it turns out he's been lying and he has a whole cellar full of supplies? The two jump to his defense, claiming that the desert's harsh and Toobledum's looking out for himself, but the young ones are naive for believing his lies! Seriously?!

Martha Braebuck: The message that you can overcome a disability, even one you've had from birth, if you simply a grow a pair...BJ, what were thinking when you wrote this?

I got really confused by Martha and it just seemed like the quest and Bragoon and Sarobando's deaths were pointless. I did find the history of Loamhedge abbey intersting though.