I was wondering recently, what if Brian Jacques had decided to bring an end to the Redwall series, what would've been the series' conclusion?
I've been thinking maybe Salamandastron was dormant and not extinct? Talk about ending the series with a bang! :P
Or maybe the abbey itself sank into the sink hole it was built on? (read Mossflower)
Or possibly, What if Redwall went the way of Loamhedge? A plague forcing the abbey dwellers out?
What do you guys think?
Good grief, what a dreadful thought!
Well, due to the amounts of vermin armies that tried, and failed, to take Redwall, I doubt it would end that way, so a natural cause would be the only thing to dispense of the creatures. A plague like what happened to Loamhedge would be one way, or a famine that starved them all out.
*Grins evilly.
Though I do like the idea of Salamandastron pulling a Mt. St. Helens (kudos if you get that) and eradicating everyone by burying the entire land in a bath of cleansing fire and choking ash, eventually covering all life to start fresh. O_o
Forgive the poetic way I speak of such, lovely, conceptions.
I think he'd end it on a happy note with ample room for the reader to imagine what'd happen after the book ended. No tragedies. I just don't think that that was Mr. Jacques' style. It would have ended like an adventure, just how he always wrote!
I agree with you Tammo. Destroying Mossflower so to speak would be pretty intense. Especially since 2nd a 3rd graders read Redwall. If he wrote a book like that when I was eight I would've been devastated.
I'm a terrible person.
Quote from: The Skarzs on March 01, 2014, 04:43:51 PM
I'm a terrible person.
No you're not, Scar :o
And I think the Salamandastron erupting idea is interesting.
Hmm, Salamandastron erupting... maybe not enough to effect Redwall. though. But then Redwall would get destroyed, thanks to the famished hares with no home... :P
Salamandastron erupting would probably effect at least part of the Mossflower woods.
Quote from: Captain Tammo on March 01, 2014, 05:09:58 AM
I think he'd end it on a happy note with ample room for the reader to imagine what'd happen after the book ended. No tragedies. I just don't think that that was Mr. Jacques' style. It would have ended like an adventure, just how he always wrote!
Agreed. Something like the way Calvin and Hobbes ended:
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Brian Jacques liked to write life-affirming stuff, so the thought of absolute finality might have scared him as much as it seems to be scaring a lot of us. If that was the case, then while
The Rogue Crew probably wasn't the final story he intended to tell, I think it fits as a final book because it never suggests anything about the lore of Redwall
not continuing.
Quote from: Skyblade on March 01, 2014, 08:14:27 PM
Quote from: The Skarzs on March 01, 2014, 04:43:51 PM
I'm a terrible person.
No you're not, Scar :o
And I think the Salamandastron erupting idea is interesting.
Look at my post! I
wanted to see the world burn! :'(
Sometimes you just have to let out the pyromaniac inside of you.
BURN REDWALL BURN BURN BURN! MUAHAHAHAHA! Sorry, I just like laughing maniacally.
I was thinking of writing a neat fan fiction like this for example. A really strong villain has a ginormous army and is set to take the world so he takes all of the major powers in the world: Redwall, Salamandastron, Southsward, Brockhall, Guosim etc. All the powers are gone and a few survivers of each of these lands need to team together in a guerrilla tactic fight to take back all their beloved homes.
Quote from: Captain Tammo on March 01, 2014, 05:09:58 AM
I think he'd end it on a happy note with ample room for the reader to imagine what'd happen after the book ended. No tragedies. I just don't think that that was Mr. Jacques' style. It would have ended like an adventure, just how he always wrote!
I'd have to agree that I don't think he'd've written a definitive end to the series. There'd just be a last book... like there is. The way I might've liked it to end is with things feeling like they've moved on a bit from the medieval-ish period, so some ways the characters did things were gradually changing and new weapons emerging, etc. A glimpse of that, and then it might have suddenly ended. (Possibly making us want to read more of the series at this later date!)
That would be cool.
Quote from: Captain Tammo on March 01, 2014, 05:09:58 AM
I think he'd end it on a happy note with ample room for the reader to imagine what'd happen after the book ended.
And heck,
EVERY Tale of Redwall ended like that! ;)
Quote from: The Shade on March 01, 2014, 09:13:39 PM
Hmm, Salamandastron erupting... maybe not enough to effect Redwall. though. But then Redwall would get destroyed, thanks to the famished hares with no home... :P
haha, indeed my friend.
Quote from: SandyB on March 01, 2014, 03:17:10 AM
I was wondering recently, what if Brian Jacques had decided to bring an end to the Redwall series, what would've been the series' conclusion?
I've been thinking maybe Salamandastron was dormant and not extinct? Talk about ending the series with a bang! :P
Or maybe the abbey itself sank into the sink hole it was built on? (read Mossflower)
Or possibly, What if Redwall went the way of Loamhedge? A plague forcing the abbey dwellers out?
What do you guys think?
If Redwall did sink into the hole, where would all the Redwallers go?
To Salamandastron?
They might find a new home.
Quote from: Lady Amber link=topic=5832.msg282694#msg282694 date=1394761163
If Redwall did sink into the hole, where would all the Redwallers go?
To Salamandastron?
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Maybe at first , but they wouldn't stay for a long time.
I can't even think about that. So many ways to end Redwall hard to choose just one.
Choose them al then. Armageddon.
Just thought it would be fun if there was a 'modern day' book where the Abbey is now merely ruins, or is in fact still pretty much intact but creaky and in need of maintenance, and the now-animals are learning the history of it through all the scrolls the abbey recorders wrote... And it gets used for a meeting place or inn/hotel, heritage attraction, to preserve the oldness of the building, while many other 'medieval' buildings had long since fallen. I say fun, but actually it would be rather saddening to think of the Abbey being disused for many years and so long since all the Redwall tales. Anyway, it was an interesting thought. :)
Or known as an ancient historical site and a museum.
Yeah, basically it could be a number of things for a heritage attraction. ;D
I like the idea of a museum... then they could actually set it up like it would have been (if it is no longer like what it was). The scrolls could give them the relevant information to get it like it was.
I think it should come full circle with a decedent of Cluny being defeated.
I don't think any end would be appropriate. Redwall lives on forever in its readers.
I know how you feel, Redwall will always be with me even if it is destroyed. :'(
Quote from: The Shade on March 01, 2014, 09:13:39 PM
Hmm, Salamandastron erupting... maybe not enough to effect Redwall. though. But then Redwall would get destroyed, thanks to the famished hares with no home... :P
Does'nt salamandastron erupt in mossflower ???
No, it doesn't; the fires lit inside make it seem as if it is actually active.
Not sure if you're too new here, Urthstripe, but welcome to the forum if you are!
It might be interesting if the final story occurred a thousand years later (with the rise of the modern age). A group of modern-day rodents (and other critters) might stumble upon the buried ruins of the abbey; maybe stumble on Martin's sword. Maybe a great great great great great grandchild of Cluney the Scourge sacks his revenge on the modern city Mousedon. Who knows....? ;D
Quote from: Shadowed One on March 02, 2014, 12:47:24 PM
BURN REDWALL BURN BURN BURN! MUAHAHAHAHA! Sorry, I just like laughing maniacally.
Some people just want to see the world burn. ::)
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Quote from: Tam and Martin on March 02, 2014, 03:51:29 PM
I was thinking of writing a neat fan fiction like this for example. A really strong villain has a ginormous army and is set to take the world so he takes all of the major powers in the world: Redwall, Salamandastron, Southsward, Brockhall, Guosim etc. All the powers are gone and a few survivers of each of these lands need to team together in a guerrilla tactic fight to take back all their beloved homes.
Sounds interesting! Are you ever going to write it?
Quote from: Lady Amber on April 30, 2014, 10:40:51 PM
Quote from: Tam and Martin on March 02, 2014, 03:51:29 PM
I was thinking of writing a neat fan fiction like this for example. A really strong villain has a ginormous army and is set to take the world so he takes all of the major powers in the world: Redwall, Salamandastron, Southsward, Brockhall, Guosim etc. All the powers are gone and a few survivers of each of these lands need to team together in a guerrilla tactic fight to take back all their beloved homes.
Sounds interesting! Are you ever going to write it?
Maybe soon, after I finish a few more of my other stories....
Personally, I would have wanted to set down the final Redwall book knowing that there were adventures yet to be told, heroes raised, villains vanquished, with Salamandastron a mighty guardian watching over the shores as it always has been and with Redwall Abbey staying the way it always would be, a beautiful, peaceful beacon of hope and security in Mossflower Country, a haven for all those without one...
Perhaps the Abbot sitting himself down with a cup of tea and watching the sunset fall over the Abbey, painting it in hues of soft orange and glorious red...
Or a young adventurer, starting down the path with no sure destination, but knowing that legend shall follow...Leaving Redwall behind...
That is a truly Redwallish ending. :D
Just wanted to tell people that I wrote a short fan fiction on this topic: it's called Ashes and is in the Fan Fiction board.
Ooooo, I think 'll go check it out.
Thanks!
Somehow I don't think Redwall should have had a definite end--it just wasn't necessary. Anyway, that would just have made soft-hearted people like me very sad. ;)
Quote from: Tiria Wildlough on July 19, 2014, 10:50:53 AM
Somehow I don't think Redwall should have had a definite end--it just wasn't necessary. Anyway, that would just have made soft-hearted people like me very sad. ;)
Mwahahahaha?
It was supposed to be slightly upsetting; the end of something like that
would be. It's just how I think Redwall might well and truly
end- a discontinuation of it entirely rather than being left in memories, like Loamhedge.
I believe Redwall should go on and on forever, and if Mr. Jacques were still alive, I have no doubt it would be going on even now. As an author he would have little reason to destroy the very centerpiece of his series.
I agree with Jewel Thief, a very nice ending.
I think redwall would have ended with the invention of gunpowder. The walls, which weren't made to survive cannon blasts, are useless against attack by cannon.
Then Redwall would be a lot like Constantinople.
I think he would have ended it on a high.
I think that the Rogue Crew made a fitting end to the series- It encased almost all the ideals repeated throughout the books, such as peace, happiness and good food, It showed an advance in technology (there were a lot of crossbows), and it ended with the formation of new alliances- leaving the story open, and leaving the opportunity for future adventures. Also, parts of it (such as the first scene in the cellars) were written in present tense- as if that is still the way things are. In many ways, Redwall Abbey is the central character of the books, after all they're named after it, and so destroying it would be contrary to the nature of the series.
However, Mr. Jacques surely had many other ideas for tales, and maybe we'll get to see them someday... I hope...
I think Redwall Abbey would have stood the test of time. We have numerous old buildings and churches that are centuries old, so why couldn't Redwall make it? I really don't think Brian had any intention of modernizing the series as one of his original reasons for writing Redwall was that every book for kids now is about teenage angst and technology. The only way I could see the series ending would be in some way Martin's spirit finally being laid to rest. It would be an ending that tells the readers that an era is over. Yet it would also allow for more adventures to continue.
Because of all the vermin attacking eventually cannons would be invented, and the walls would be destroyed, which is their main defense.
I think it would end by just having the characters have a (kind of) happily ever after. Or.. is it?? ;)
What would really be a cool twist for a final book was that Martin faked his own death. That would be so weird. But interesting. And the main characters have to put together the prices to find out why and how he did it. It would be like something that bline ever knew about Martin . Something climatic.
But then Martin would have to be either a coward or a bad guy. Although it might be interesting to see that their guardian spirit was bad.
But what if Martin left to save Redwall from impending doom from a distant force? And died heroicly in the process without anyone knowing?
Yes, but how could he have survived for so long.
Unless Martin is a wizard, there's no way he could have survived so long. The average lifespan of a mouse isn't incredibly long anyway, and even the oldest mouse is only something like a hundred seasons.
If we're going strictly by probable historical development, it would have likely ended up similar to a lot of castles, e.g. with a small village growing around it, as woodlanders/goodbeasts tend to like order and enjoy building things in the series. This village would eventually translate into a larger city with Redwall near its center, how large would likely depend on how close it was to a river or a sea for trade and transport. Eventually, it would have probably grown big enough for its defenders to repel pretty much all but the most large and sophisticated vermin attacks(I think the largest vermin hordes in the book capped at just over a thousand or so, and once Redwall reached this level of development you would likely need even more or even tens of thousands), barring a massive technological leap by vermin.
But I'm sure Jacques would have likely ended it on an open-ended note, I don't think he would have killed off the dream or imagination of Redwall definitively. It'd be interesting to see what his notes were, if anyone got around to publishing them.
Quote from: Delthion on November 13, 2014, 05:35:56 AM
Yes, but how could he have survived for so long.
I'm not saying Martin was alive for the whole series, but that they find out that what they knew about Martin wasn't too whole truth. And by they , I mean a random new character. They find out Martin didn't died the way they thought.
Just a random idea though.;)