Redwall Abbey

As many of us know, Jacques had a bad habit of having the lead villains die cheap, unsatisfying deaths better suited for henchbeasts and minions than the big bad. Here is you chance to vent.

My vote goes to Razzid. He survived being set on fire, caused all manner of death & destruction for the helluva it, was a total sadist. and even took being stabbed by Martin's Sword with "That all you pansies got?!"...only to be killed by completely random blow to the head by a long absent character who appeared out of nowhere.  >:(

The sad thing is that it could've worked better by having Skor and Rake arrive in time to kill him, which would've been more fitting and made a lot more sense. I remember someone starting a thread asking if Jacques really did write the ending of Rogue Crew because of the fairly rushed epilogue. The real suspicious thing is having the villain go down like a punk when it could've been better.

Runner up: Slagar, who after doing so well throughout Mattimeo, dies through a combination of circumstance and carelessness that makes you wonder if its a certain coyote under than mask (I swear, I could hear that slide whistle watching that scene in the TV Show...)

What about you guys? Which Big Bad death make you question Brian's storytelling abilities?

Mine Tsamrina. I am pretty sure she drowned, which, by the the way, is pretty alful. I am pretty sure Ungatt had a similar one, but was beat up and practically paralyzed.

Can you add Ferhago the Assassin because he is my worst enemy.

Quote from: Gonff the Mousethief on March 26, 2014, 02:26:00 AM
Mine Tsamrina. I am pretty sure she drowned, which, by the the way, is pretty alful. I am pretty sure Ungatt had a similar one, but was beat up and practically paralyzed.

I think the fox with the broken back broke his back then the tide came in and he drowned

Urgan. Nagru. Having teeth smashed in your brain......

I don't like the sound of it.

Quote from: Gonff the Mousethief on March 26, 2014, 02:26:00 AM
Mine Tsamrina. I am pretty sure she drowned, which, by the the way, is pretty alful. I am pretty sure Ungatt had a similar one, but was beat up and practically paralyzed.

The difference is that Ungatt was mortally wounded by his story's Hero, then finished off by a beast he'd wronged for good measure.

Meanwhile, Tsarmina went crazy and committed  (unintentional) suicide mid-battle...

Quote from: redwallbro on March 26, 2014, 12:21:53 PM
Can you add Ferhago the Assassin because he is my worst enemy.

Naw. Him and Urthstripe taking each other out was a fairly good death and why he isn't here.

Sawney Rath,I mean he was killed by Antigra,
why couldn't it have been Tagg! :'( :'( :'( :'(

Quote from: willruth on March 29, 2014, 09:04:00 AM

Sawney Rath,I mean he was killed by Antigra,
why couldn't it have been Tagg! :'( :'( :'( :'(

At the very least Jacque could've made Antriga the Bid Bad of Taggerung. The person who kills the Villain sounds like a good replacement, especially one so vengeful and ambitious. But no. Not only was she absent for the rest of the book, but her death (by an 11th hour character who left the story as poorly as he entered it) was reported...

Quote from: JangoCoolguy on March 27, 2014, 06:56:53 PM

Meanwhile, Tsarmina went crazy and committed suicide mid-battle...

It wasn't suicide she didn't want to but she couldn't swim and martin drove her to far out before she realized what she was doing she was drowning. Suicide implied that the person intends the end there life by that action. that was not the case with Tisarmina.

Riggu Felis's death was stupid.

Personally, I liked Tsarmina's death. She was taken out by herself, by her fear. Martin didn't kill her, she did. Unintentionally, at that. It shows in one fell swoop that Martin wasn't invincible, and that a villain's worst enemy is herself.

Slagar, on the other hand, he had a terrible death. He fell. Into a hole. Very anti-climatic, especially for such a villain that almost came back from the dead for revenge. He deserved more.

Ya I on the other hand I did not like Badrangs death. Martin seamed to happy killing him and he is one of the only villains to die mercilessly at the hands of the hero (Making Martin seem almost as bad as the villain.) martin won because he was "a better fighter" and that was it. All the others either defeated themselves (Like Tisarmeana) were destroyed indirectly by the hero (like with Cluny) or the hero took them with them (like Urthstripe and Ferrago).

P.s excuse the spelling for the names... I was to lazy to look them all up. :P 

Quote from: Faiyloe on April 02, 2014, 03:51:02 PM
Ya I on the other hand I did not like Badrangs death. Martin seamed to happy killing him and he is one of the only villains to die mercilessly at the hands of the hero (Making Martin seem almost as bad as the villain.) martin won because he was "a better fighter" and that was it.

I dunno...if Badrang had done to you or me what he did to Martin, we'd probably do the same.

Though yeah, I prefer the TV Show's take on it myself.

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Quote from: Faiyloe on April 02, 2014, 03:51:02 PM
Ya I on the other hand I did not like Badrangs death. Martin seamed to happy killing him and he is one of the only villains to die mercilessly at the hands of the hero (Making Martin seem almost as bad as the villain.) martin won because he was "a better fighter" and that was it.

I dunno...if Badrang had done to you or me what he did to Martin, we'd probably do the same.

Though yeah, I prefer the TV Show's take on it myself.

I prefer that take as well.
Wow, I didn't know Martin acted like that.  :(

Quote from: W0NWILL on April 02, 2014, 03:36:37 PM

Slagar, on the other hand, he had a terrible death. He fell. Into a hole. Very anti-climatic, especially for such a villain that almost came back from the dead for revenge. He deserved more.

Gotta agree 100% there. Having thought that he went through his entire journy, tricked the population of Redwall, survived Painted Ones, beat Matthias in battle (or tricked him anyway), and escaped the collapsing kingdom of Malkeriss, you'd think he would have the sense to not fall in a hole. It's almost comical. :P

Poor Slagar. Cheap death for an expensive villain.

As for Martin, the reason I would imagine is that Badrang killed Rose right there. You saw what happened to Martin after, so it's little surprise he went a little berserk...

Kurda, a replica of Tsarmina (killed by fear) and TRIPPED ON HER OWN SWORD, a master of the sword trips on it, that's ironic

Good points :) 
I think Nightshade deserved a worse death. She was so awful. She killed Skarlath  :'( That's just not cool.

I think Nightshade's method of death was fair; she killed Skarlath with an arrow, and based just off of that it wouldn't make sense for her to have some excruciating fate, like being eaten alive or boiled to death. Plus, it was a killing on the field of battle, with no deception or treachery involved. They were enemies, and Skarlath was spying on her lord Swartt. If you discount the fact that they never should have been at war with Sunflash in the first place, I don't think that was as "bad" as sending Balefur to get himself killed in the adder den.

I think the most terrible deaths were generally those done with heat (boiling this-or-that), or drowning, but there's something to be said for each situation where a creature knew in advance they were going to die. I don't think it's as bad for them if their being killed comes as a surprise, especially if death is almost instantaneous.

I think the worst main villain's death is Ungatt Trunn's -- not only does he drown, and have plenty of time in advance to see his death coming, but he's paralyzed too. The worst after him, I think, are Mokkan, Tsarmina, and Malkariss.

I believe that this is the most unsatisfying deaths to read about, not the ones that were made us shiver to think about , I may be wrong though

Ungatt' s death as pretty terrible. I hate any deaths that have to do with drowning, like Tsarmina...

This is about unsatisfying deaths, not unpleasant ones. There's another one for those.

I felt Sawney Rath's death was cheap. If Mr. Jacques expanded on him further and gave him a more dramatic death, the book might have gone in a better direction.

Quote from: CpnRake335 on February 20, 2015, 01:45:12 PM
I believe that this is the most unsatisfying deaths to read about, not the ones that were made us shiver to think about , I may be wrong though

Quote from: Lord_Ashenwyte on February 20, 2015, 02:25:09 PM
This is about unsatisfying deaths, not unpleasant ones. There's another one for those.

It was. I think I skimmed through the thread at one point, but I didn't recall it when I was posting. I was responding mainly to the post right above mine, and assumed what the topic was about based on the title.

As far as the actual topic: Most of the deaths I recall were fairly ironic and appropriate; the first one that I remember being rather mediocre is Swartt Sixclaw's. If I remember right, Sunflash just kills him, same as he would any other vermin. It's a somewhat weak climax to a confrontation that they both spent their entire lives preparing for.

Some deaths were really... *snaps fingers*. It was good to see Mokkan eaten by the protectors of his shores, and Tsarmina's death was pretty foreseeable. But the worst death would be Riggu Felis.

Quote from: Sagetip, the hare on February 20, 2015, 03:04:40 PM
Some deaths were really... *snaps fingers*. It was good to see Mokkan eaten by the protectors of his shores, and Tsarmina's death was pretty foreseeable. But the worst death would be Riggu Felis.

Riggu Felis... Riggu Felis

cant remember him, i'm still sticking with Kurda though

Also for those who think Cluny's death was cheap, he was the one warlord that the hero had to use not only strength and knowledge of combat, but knowledge of surroundings as well, i cant recall another battle that did the same

Did you know that Corvus is the first part of the crow's latin name? No, you didn't. I love BJ for that stuff.

I have to add Bladd from Triss... Getting killed by a pot of oatmeal is a pretty horrible death. Hysterical, but horrible.

 I don't think Bladd deserved to die. He was a brat, but he wasn't really evil.

Raga, bol's death was very anticlimactic and was dispatched like any old vermin

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Quote from: Sagetip, the hare on February 20, 2015, 03:04:40 PM
Some deaths were really... *snaps fingers*. It was good to see Mokkan eaten by the protectors of his shores, and Tsarmina's death was pretty foreseeable. But the worst death would be Riggu Felis.

Riggu Felis... Riggu Felis

cant remember him, i'm still sticking with Kurda though

Also for those who think Cluny's death was cheap, he was the one warlord that the hero had to use not only strength and knowledge of combat, but knowledge of surroundings as well, i cant recall another battle that did the same

Riggu Felis was kuilled with aniron star to the brain. Oooooooo.

i remember now, Riggu Felis, wildcat that ruled Green Isle killed by High Rhulain
his death should have been better

I think the two worst deaths were Razzid's and Slagar's.

Sawney Rath's. His was rather uneventful.

Out of those listed above, I'd have to say Tsarmina had it the worst. Not only did she die a death she most dreaded but her whole kingdom was being taken from her. And her own confidence and pride shattered by a mouse.

id vote for Sawney, but ive already used it on Kurda, both were humiliating though

Slegar's death was downright pathetic (in the TV series) and Cluny's was a little weak.

Gabool's death wins for me in both meanings of "worst." 
My opinion may be changed as I re-read the books.  I'm finding I'm developing a different opinion of each book now than I had created when I was younger.

Gabool's death

As far has having a lame, cheap death: he was killed by his pet scorpion, and worse, it was predictable.  The only thing satisfying about it was that Skrabblag was able to have his revenge.  Mariel was cheated of the revenge she deserved, though this fits into a pattern in the earliest books of the villains being defeated more by bad luck and their own actions than by the mouse protagonists. 
Gabool's death also wins for worst (i.e. most violent/unpleasant) because he was, well, killed by a giant scorpion.

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Quote from: TheTaleOfSierra on May 16, 2015, 03:36:38 AM
Slegar's death was downright pathetic (in the TV series)

That's how it was in the book too

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Quote from: TheTaleOfSierra on May 16, 2015, 03:36:38 AM
Slegar's death was downright pathetic (in the TV series)

That's how it was in the book too

Somehow, I was expecting it. Oh well, I think that I'm going to skip "Mattimeo" entirely, then.

Mattimeo was a good sequel to Redwall, and has many different elements from the series. The show never could really get the emotion and power from the books.

cause is was for kids

Quote from: CpnRake335 on May 16, 2015, 10:40:53 PM
cause is was for kids

The book was for kids too.

not really, it sold to kids but it was more for teens and young adults, think of the Rouge Crew or Salamadastron (I can name so many more), and while the books the show did actually show were less brutal, there was plenty of things in the book that kids show could never replicate for being to graphic

Quote from: TheTaleOfSierra on May 16, 2015, 05:08:05 AM
Somehow, I was expecting it. Oh well, I think that I'm going to skip "Mattimeo" entirely, then.

You're not doing justice to the book if you judge it by the show that was based on it.  Just as the majority of books are superior to their film counterparts, so was this book to its show.  The vibe I've gotten generally is that it's not a favourite, but I remember reading it for the first time on a camping trip, and I couldn't put it down.  That's how nearly all the series has been for me.  In addition, this book's got stiff competition for a position on anyone's favourites list against 21 other books that were each riveting and incredible in different ways.  If you're going to continue to judge the characters, deaths, action, and other elements of the story, give the book a chance.

Mattimeo was the perfect sequel to Redwall. It's less formulaic than many of the later books in the series, and I feel it inspires the imagination more than a lot of the ones that came later. The fact that Slagar died the death of a fool, I think, adds to its appeal. He spent his entire life running and trusting in his imagined wits and actual luck to escape; well, that time it didn't work. I'm not sure how it could have gone any better -- he's not a fighter, so it doesn't make sense to have somebody kill him.

I read The Rogue Crew the other day, after putting it off for over a month. In many ways it was a classic. The end for the allegedly fearsome Razzid Wearat was more than a little anticlimatic, though. An otter hit him over the head with a club and he dies. I already knew how he died before I read the book, and I was still left thinking, "That's it?" I guess not everybody can have a dramatic death, though, and it's not like Razzid ever did anything before that to impress me in terms of combat skills.

The Rogue Crew was awesome, and it was fun to read, also. :) ;D

Razzid was kind of stupid too, but I guess that was just villain character development.  :-X :P

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Somehow, I was expecting it. Oh well, I think that I'm going to skip "Mattimeo" entirely, then.

If you're going to continue to judge the characters, deaths, action, and other elements of the story, give the book a chance.

Maybe one day, although I don't see that happening anytime soon. I'm not very fond on reading things on another language because it drains all energy from my head and it is generally a pain (plus, it has been already demostrated that Jacques' works are not enjoyable outside their original environment). I would probably re-read Redwall in English just for the sake of comparison, though.

Cluny, on the other hand, had excellent combat skills but died in a bad way. It seemed like the bell was more of a metaphor for, like, the spirit of Redwall Abbey.

Never thought of it that way, as a metaphor. (Now I'll never read it the same way again.) Rather fitting, though, that he was beaten by the same thing he desired to take. Wasn't it mentioned in the book that he wanted to use the bell for instilling fear into the hearts of woodlanders? Another reason why his death by the bell would be fitting.

  As for the worst death, I'm thinking that one of the lesser villains in the books would hold that title, because I'm having a hard time thinking of a main antagonist having a pretty lame death. I think Slagar would take that for me.

Quote from: The Skarzs on June 12, 2015, 05:02:06 PM
Never thought of it that way, as a metaphor. (Now I'll never read it the same way again.) Rather fitting, though, that he was beaten by the same thing he desired to take. Wasn't it mentioned in the book that he wanted to use the bell for instilling fear into the hearts of woodlanders? Another reason why his death by the bell would be fitting.

Aren't all villains like that? Gabool.

He isn't up there, but I would have to say Vilu Daskar had the worst death because it changed my perception of Luke. I really liked him at first and since he was the hero he should have been able to show some mercy to the stoat ('cause wasn't Vilu begging for it?) instead of dying to ensure Vilu's death.

  Well, it wasn't very lame though; sure, drowning isn't the most colorful way to die, but there were worse (kinda).

  Luke had to make a decision at a moment's notice, and being tied to the wheel he couldn't do much. He was distraught at the loss of his tribe, angry at the beast who had started it all, and hard pressed to do anything to save his friends.
  Of course, that's not exactly an excuse for revenge, but my point is, put in the most innocent of ways, that Luke couldn't do much else other than make sure that Vilu would never harm another life,

Quote from: James Gryphon on May 18, 2015, 03:33:59 AM
I read The Rogue Crew the other day, after putting it off for over a month. In many ways it was a classic. The end for the allegedly fearsome Razzid Wearat was more than a little anticlimatic, though. An otter hit him over the head with a club and he dies. I already knew how he died before I read the book, and I was still left thinking, "That's it?" I guess not everybody can have a dramatic death, though, and it's not like Razzid ever did anything before that to impress me in terms of combat skills.

I always thought Razzid's death was lame.

Death

I mean, after nearly being burned to death and being regarded as the most terrifying villain of all time, he's ultimately killed by an old otter whacking him over the head with a stick? Laaa-aame.  Although, I guess Jum had the right to kill him in revenge for Wullow's death...

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Quote from: Scartooth on June 29, 2015, 04:00:40 AM
He isn't up there, but I would have to say Vilu Daskar had the worst death because it changed my perception of Luke. I really liked him at first and since he was the hero he should have been able to show some mercy to the stoat ('cause wasn't Vilu begging for it?) instead of dying to ensure Vilu's death.

Vilu had spent who knows hoe many years sinking ships and destroying coastal communities, killing all who stood in his path...and those who hadn't. He was one of the most evil vermin to ever (dis)grace the series. He had it coming and Luke had every right to take him down so he'd never do wrong again.

"The spirits of all you have slain are watching you, Vilu Daskar, and they will rest in peace knowing your time has come."

Excluding the fact that Brian wrote a chiildren's book and that having the hero decapitate the villain would scar the children, the deaths are almost always NOT by the hero. Doesn't it seem that the villain is purposely attacked and killed by a side character? I mean, a perfect example is in Mattimeo. Slagar fell to his death, and Matthias and Orlando stated pretty clearly that they were disappointed that they couldn't kill Slagar themselves. In other books, the heros DEBATE over who gets to kill the main villain! And guess what? None of them get to. *sigh*

Revenge isn't always a noble pursuance, so perhaps Brian was trying to show that while intending to keep the children away from goriest death. (Aside from Urgan Nagru's death; that was pretty hardcore. :P)

@sky: Maybe...

I think it was slagar. He survived so much and then just fel into a hole ???

For me, if the villain wasn't  killed by the hero in an epic showdown, it was a lame death.

I forgot his name, but that one rat from Loamhedge who was the main villain... his death wasn't very climatic and all that interesting (I sound weird saying that  :P ;D)

Quote from: Ungatt Trunn on November 21, 2015, 01:42:15 AM
I forgot his name, but that one rat from Loamhedge who was the main villain... his death wasn't very climatic and all that interesting (I sound weird saying that  :P ;D)

Raga Bol.

Quote from: Ashleg on June 29, 2015, 04:00:40 AM
He isn't up there, but I would have to say Vilu Daskar had the worst death because it changed my perception of Luke. I really liked him at first and since he was the hero he should have been able to show some mercy to the stoat ('cause wasn't Vilu begging for it?) instead of dying to ensure Vilu's death.

But Vilu was awful. He murdered Luke's wife, a lot of his tribe and even his many of his closest friends when he rammed into the Sayna. You say Luke should've shown mercy? Did Vilu show any mercy to Luke's wife when he cut the defenseless mouse down? Did he show any mercy to all of those slaves whom he killed and tortured? Did he show mercy to that family of hedgehogs when he put them in sacks filled with rocks and dropped them into the ocean? Did he show any mercy to Luke's friends when he rammed into their ship while they were sleeping, killing almost all of them in the process? No, he didn't. Vilu had it coming and I downright respected Luke for killed Daskar. Showing mercy to that scum would've been even worse than killing him while he was begging. And this is coming from someone who says that Vilu Daskar is his 5th favorite redwall villain.

I think Kurda had the worst death. Running away from an escaped slave, tripping over your own sword and impaling yourself on it... It was almost funny. I think it served her right, though.
And then there was that thing with Bladd and the oatmeal pot...

Quote from: Flib Bigboat on May 20, 2021, 12:10:20 PM
I think Kurda had the worst death. Running away from an escaped slave, tripping over your own sword and impaling yourself on it... It was almost funny. I think it served her right, though.
And then there was that thing with Bladd and the oatmeal pot...

Well at least it's a horrific death.

Some of the minor villains had pretty bad deaths, too.

Quote from: Flib Bigboat on May 24, 2021, 11:48:15 PM
Some of the minor villains had pretty bad deaths, too.

Like whom? Anyway, I still think having side villains die lame is less bad than killing the main bad guy in a lame way. Like Riggu Felis!

If the main villains die in a lame way, it serves them right because they don't deserve a good death.

Villains are the best part of the story

Quote from: Flib Bigboat on May 25, 2021, 11:59:01 AM
If the main villains die in a lame way, it serves them right because they don't deserve a good death.

But some villains don't have cruel enough deaths for how terrible they were. Like, Swartt. He only got punched and thrown away and he was awful. Or Riggu Felis, who used slaves and was awful to his children. He probably would have died better fighting Tiria and then getting caught up in the flames, or killed by the Osprey but I kind of liked how he got vengeance. Just kind of cool change.

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Quote from: Flib Bigboat on May 24, 2021, 11:48:15 PM
Some of the minor villains had pretty bad deaths, too.

Like whom? Anyway, I still think having side villains die lame is less bad than killing the main bad guy in a lame way. Like Riggu Felis!

I don't think Riggu Felis died poorly. It was a good callback and, both metaphorically and literally, his own misdeeds came back to haunt him.

If we're counting the TV show, the fox who was tickled to death apparently.  :P

Skalrag I think it was - if I remember correctly in the book he was just stabbed with spears

I thought he was pinned to the gate/hung over the gate and impaled with arrows or something.

Kurda's death in Triss always bothered me. I didnt enjoy that book, mind you, but how she dies so pathetically and Triss didn't get her satisfaction only to be told "it's for the best, you're better than that" always ticked me off.

I get that Kurda was utterly pathetic to begin with and the hero was supposed to be noble, but what was the point in having Triss weild Martin's sword and not use it to strike down the villain? Seemed like a wasted opportunity to me, and considering Triss was the first female hero to ever wield Martin's sword, it always seemed to be a move to keep Triss somewhat feminine and less violent when she had a chip on her shoulder that deserved to be filled.

Aug. Kurda. Yuck.

Interesting stance

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Quote from: Flib Bigboat on May 24, 2021, 11:48:15 PM
Some of the minor villains had pretty bad deaths, too.

Like whom? Anyway, I still think having side villains die lame is less bad than killing the main bad guy in a lame way. Like Riggu Felis!

I don't think Riggu Felis died poorly. It was a good callback and, both metaphorically and literally, his own misdeeds came back to haunt him.

I wanted him to die with the star and Tiria is great at slinging, I just think he died too quickly. Maybe it's because he's one of my favorite villains that I wish he'd had a more exciting death.

I can see where you are coming from.

That was one of my favorite books, Jacques was great at revenge stories

It was my favorite book (you could probably tell from the username).

Kurda, absolutely.

One of the (many) things that's bugged me about Triss, even years later, is the wasted potential of Kurda as a villain, including how her downfall played out. We could've had an epic swordfight between Kurda and Triss, a cathartic clash between mortal enemies, but instead we get a redux of Slagar's death except without the context and build-up that made his death perfectly satisfying to me. At least with Slagar, who always chose to run away after backstabbing/manipulating others, it made sense (to me, anyway) that he would die as a direct result of those habits.

The book makes a point of establishing Kurda as an arrogant coward with an inflated sense of her own competence, so the circumstances of her death can certainly be interpreted as a logical procession of that...but "logical" doesn't always equal "satisfying". I honestly think Kurda would have been a more effective villain (with a more compelling death) if she'd been written more like Captain Zigu.

Also, can we just talk about the fact that Kurda was a well trained swordsman, and yet she managed the impale herself on her own sword?

Quite ironic

Irony isn't always a good thing. Especially when it's falling on your head.

Prince Bladd's death was probably even lamer than Kurda's, especially as nobody felt remotely sorry about it (myself included), because it was so ridiculous.
And I like your pun, WT. ;D

I actually liked Bladd's death.

Plugg Firetail was sad about Bladd's death, because they had bonded together and Bladd had leaned bravery. That's one of my favorite parts of that (IMO) below average book. That and the creepy snakes.

That was Triss right?

Yup.

And it really wasn't that below average, either.

it was one of the lesser books in the series.

Quote from: Flib Bigboat on September 24, 2021, 06:30:36 PM
Yup.

And it really wasn't that below average, either.

Well In my opinion it was the worst but there can be differences in opinion. For me it's between Triss and Mariel of Redwall.

Triss is probably one of my favorite books.

Eeeh, your opinion.

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Quote from: Flib Bigboat on September 24, 2021, 06:30:36 PM
Yup.

And it really wasn't that below average, either.

Well In my opinion it was the worst but there can be differences in opinion. For me it's between Triss and Mariel of Redwall.

I actually enjoyed Mariel. Wasn't as good as the Bellmaker though.

Yeah a lot of people like Mariel. Some even say it's one of their favorites. I can see why but it just didn't work for me.
We can all agree that Gabool's death definitely won't go on a list of bad villain deaths though.

Yes! Getting killed by his own pet scorpion was a wonderful and ironic way for him to die. Well, not exactly wonderful from his point of view, but you get what I mean.

Is there a "Best villain death" thread?

I don't know.

If there isn't, I will make one.

I made one: https://redwallabbey.com/forum/index.php?topic=12291.0