Poll
Question:
What is your LEAST favorite "good" race?
Option 1: Otter
votes: 3
Option 2: Hare
votes: 6
Option 3: Squirrel
votes: 4
Option 4: Mice
votes: 8
Option 5: Mole
votes: 10
Option 6: Hedgehog
votes: 19
Option 7: Shrew
votes: 16
Option 8: Badger
votes: 8
What is your least favorite "good" race? I'd have too choose otter... Because my fav character is a reformed rat and otters are very racist. Please choose for any reason, like lack of characters, usaul personality, racism, etc.
Vole. There are so many evil voles!
With a little thought, ultimately I'd say the voles as they're not always that nice.
The hares are gluttonous, which makes them annoying.
:-X
VOLES!!!!!!! THY ARE SOOOOO IRRITATING! All except three.
I don't like any voles accept Yoofus
Lol never seen people rage on voles... And I like the hare glutton parts, makes good comic relief but confuses me when later their all grim and deadly.
Also voles are pretty good, that one in pearls of luta who was kidnapped, and that vole in.. Uh... The sable queen!
There is already a topic for this.
Voles. Deifinatly. Evil, little voles.
Perhaps I should get rid of the vole option? It's winning to much? I'm not gonna do it if you guys don't want me to, so plz tell me if you do or don't plz
If I get rid of vole I'm replacing it with sumthin else.
Please don't double post you can just edit your post.
Faiy I didn't know dat, and it's not harming anything, plus this is not one of yo threads.
It doeznae matter vho'z topic tiz. Tiz a forum rule zat ye zhouldnae double-pozt. Unlezz ye are revivin' an auld topic, or juzt bumbin' vone tae find oot if anyvone iz ztill daein' it, or tiz juzt a zpam topic zat iz okay viz it, ye really zhouldnae double pozt.
Yes, HIAG is right. ;)
I don't think I really have one...the thing is, out of the species on this list, if you think of one as being "bad", there's always somebeast that shatters that belief.
Like voles: there are some very good voles such as Burble.
And hares: there are plenty of Salamandastron officers who aren't gluttonous, and extremely gallant.
Ok then, sorry. And wild, some beasts may fight for the good side, but that does not mean they're rational, ethical beats.
Quote from: Emperor Ublaz on August 22, 2013, 03:58:02 PM
The hares are gluttonous, which makes them annoying.
:-X
I have to say, sometimes I lack patience with the continuous greedy hares. It's almost exhausting to read! :D
Quote from: MeadowRabbit on August 23, 2013, 03:13:34 PM
Quote from: Emperor Ublaz on August 22, 2013, 03:58:02 PM
The hares are gluttonous, which makes them annoying.
:-X
I have to say, sometimes I lack patience with the continuous greedy hares. It's almost exhausting to read! :D
COUGH Scarum COUGH
Ah really dinnae 'ave a leazt favourite, good or bad. Ah like av o' ze creaturez, an' really zere iz nay zuch zin' az a "bad" creature.
I'm not saying that. Just that I don't like some very much.
Scarum is one of my least favorite hares
Scarum is a HORRIBLE hare! I love most hares! It was him who was the first I didn't like.
Who is scarum?
Quote from: Blaggut on August 26, 2013, 06:20:32 AM
Who is scarum?
He's a Hare from The redwall book
Triss.
I actually didn't mind Scarum much. I mean, he was pretty gluttonous, not to mention selfish, and annoying... ahem. But he was different from the other hares. I mean, the hares are my favorites in Redwall, but even I have to admit, they all seemed to be almost the same. And Scarum did add comedy to Triss.
But I'll admit, he is probably my least favorite hare out of all of them. XD
I vote voles b/c they are most of the time bad but with some exceptions ;)
I remember scarum, I loved him!
Quote from: Blaggut on August 27, 2013, 03:31:09 AM
I remember scarum, I loved him!
Scarum? Are you sure you are thinking of the right person?
Yeah, the very glutton hate in trips who traveled with that otter and other person. And ate some nomad place outa Ouse and ome
Quote from: Blaggut on August 29, 2013, 12:01:34 AM
Yeah, the very glutton hate in trips who traveled with that otter and other person. And ate some nomad place outa Ouse and ome
YES!! THAT IRRITATING PERSON!
Scarum's a disgrace, but he's not evil. And he does have some moments where he redeems himself.
Where are shrews not on that poll? And why voles - they're pretty minor.
I'd vote shrews or hedgehogs. Most likely hedgehogs actually, as I can only name one or two hedgehog characters I like - Tansy being the main.
Voles, for reason said above ^^
Quote from: Blaggut on August 22, 2013, 07:56:22 AM
What is your least favorite "good" race? I'd have too choose otter... Because my fav character is a reformed rat and otters are very racist. Please choose for any reason, like lack of characters, usaul personality, racism, etc.
:o Otters are the best!
I am now replacing voles with shrews, sorry! All votes r reset
Now that Voles aren't on the poll, I'm going for Hedgehog.
Hodgehegs (intentional misspelling for random reasons!) can be a bit dull. Ambrose Spike, for example, doesn't do a lot really. I'm not a massive hedgehog fan in general, but same goes for moles, although they do make more interesting characters.
Quote from: MeadowRabbit on August 30, 2013, 03:06:15 PM
Hodgehegs (intentional misspelling for random reasons!) can be a bit dull. Ambrose Spike, for example, doesn't do a lot really. I'm not a massive hedgehog fan in general, but same goes for moles, although they do make more interesting characters.
I have to agree with that. When met, hedgehogs can be very agressive too.
Shrews, who can be just as murderous as the vermin they fight.
They claim to be defending their possessions, families, and homeland, which would be fine if they didn't feel compelled to kill every single vermin they see.
There's defending what you care about and then there's needlessly killing beasts who are retreating or surrendered.
Tie between shrews, mice, and voles.
Shrews for the reason above.
Mice because they seem "generic".
Voles? They're more of a gray race...
Quote from: JangoBadass on October 24, 2013, 12:40:21 AM
Shrews, who can be just as murderous as the vermin they fight.
They claim to be defending their possessions, families, and homeland, which would be fine if they didn't feel compelled to kill every single vermin they see.
There's defending what you care about and then there's needlessly killing beasts who are retreating or surrendered.
Simaler reason I don't like otters.
I DON'T LIKE HARES! Same reasons as above, plus they have the most annoying personality ever! Harespeech is also disgustingly annoying :-X
Moles...its not that I think they were bad creatures, just they are at the bottom of my good guy list.
Quote from: Romsca on November 04, 2013, 03:58:42 AM
I DON'T LIKE HARES! Same reasons as above, plus they have the most annoying personality ever! Harespeech is also disgustingly annoying :-X
More zan mine?
Quote from: HeadInAnotherGalaxy on November 04, 2013, 03:16:05 PM
Quote from: Romsca on November 04, 2013, 03:58:42 AM
I DON'T LIKE HARES! Same reasons as above, plus they have the most annoying personality ever! Harespeech is also disgustingly annoying :-X
More zan mine?
Probably. XD ;D
Quote from: HeadInAnotherGalaxy on November 04, 2013, 03:16:05 PM
Quote from: Romsca on November 04, 2013, 03:58:42 AM
I DON'T LIKE HARES! Same reasons as above, plus they have the most annoying personality ever! Harespeech is also disgustingly annoying :-X
More zan mine?
Yes. I. Hate. Harespeech.
Quote from: Romsca on November 08, 2013, 09:44:22 PM
Quote from: HeadInAnotherGalaxy on November 04, 2013, 03:16:05 PM
Quote from: Romsca on November 04, 2013, 03:58:42 AM
I DON'T LIKE HARES! Same reasons as above, plus they have the most annoying personality ever! Harespeech is also disgustingly annoying :-X
More zan mine?
Yes. I. Hate. Harespeech.
I think hare speech is okay. Kind of what makes a hare a hare.
Moved to Character Discussion.
Its been a while since I voted, before I voted for mole, although now I would voted for mouse.
Quote from: The Shade on November 10, 2013, 08:50:32 PM
Its been a while since I voted, before I voted for mole, although now I would voted for mouse.
Why mice? Mice are okay.
I did hedgehogs.
Quote from: Ungatt Trunn on November 10, 2013, 08:59:49 PM
Quote from: The Shade on November 10, 2013, 08:50:32 PM
Its been a while since I voted, before I voted for mole, although now I would voted for mouse.
Why mice? Mice are okay.
I know, its they are my least favorite.
Quote from: Ungatt Trunn on November 12, 2013, 06:38:57 PM
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I did hedgehogs.
Yay!
Yay?
I voted for Hedgehogs also.
I know, but why are you cheering for you both having the same most underrated good guy species? ;D
I like all the good guys but you have to choose one so it is better to be a hedgehog which is underrated rather than a hare or otter.
Quote from: Tam and Martin on November 13, 2013, 01:45:22 AM
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Quote from: Banya Streamdog on November 10, 2013, 11:12:46 PM
I did hedgehogs.
Yay!
Yay?
I voted for Hedgehogs also.
I know, but why are you cheering for you both having the same most underrated good guy species? ;D
I like all the good guys but you have to choose one so it is better to be a hedgehog which is underrated rather than a hare or otter.
Alright.
I don't like shrews for the same reason someone has mentioned above. And I don't like hares because they all kind of act the same. (Except Rake Nightfur)
Quote from: Starla1431 on November 13, 2013, 07:03:36 PM
I don't like shrews for the same reason someone has mentioned above. And I don't like hares because they all kind of act the same. (Except Rake Nightfur)
Rake Nightfur was ASWOME!
No one has chosen badger. Interesting...
Quote from: The Shade on November 14, 2013, 10:17:49 AM
No one has chosen badger. Interesting...
If they did, Orlando or Brocktree would start hunting them down until justice was done. ;D
I detest voles, if they were on the poll I would have voted for them.
Quote from: Russa Nodrey on February 25, 2014, 09:09:38 PM
I detest voles, if they were on the pole I would have voted for them.
IKR???!!! They are nasty!
Only reason they aren't would probably be that they're more neutral than good.... And probably because they'd have all the votes. :D
I also don't like moles. They're pretty boring.
Quote from: Starla1431 on February 26, 2014, 04:23:18 PM
I also don't like moles. They're pretty boring.
Uh....Moles are good at some points. I'd prefer Moles over Hedgehogs though!
Voles. Nuff said.
Quote from: Starla1431 on February 26, 2014, 04:23:18 PM
I also don't like moles. They're pretty boring.
What do you mean? I love moles!
Pygmy shrews. Those stinking sons of. . .
Hate 'em.
Quote from: Starla1431 on February 26, 2014, 04:23:18 PM
I also don't like moles. They're pretty boring.
Moles are pro! And Voles did get all the votes, before I took them off and reset.
And this topic is still breathing and alive? Who knew?
I would have voted voles, but all the other races I like.
Nasty likkle voles...
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Quote from: Starla1431 on February 26, 2014, 04:23:18 PM
I also don't like moles. They're pretty boring.
Uh....Moles are good at some points. I'd prefer Moles over Hedgehogs though!
Meh, I still think they're boring, I don't find them funny, they barely do anything interesting to me and thier accent is a little hard to understand. I'd prefer hedgehogs over moles.
I love moles! I voted hedgehogs because though I loved some hedgehogs, I didn't particularly like any overall qualities (except for SPIKES!)
A lot of the hedgehogs were a little bit crazy. They held some beasts captive as slaves . Orkwil was not a likeable character, in my opinion.
You say they as if Hedgehogs made it a regular practice to have slaves. There was only one as I recall, and though there were a few that could certainly be seen as a little loopy, your stereotype for them should be derived from the vast number of Cellarhogs, they make a much better representation of the Redwall Hedgehogs.
That's the reason I like Hedgehogs because of the Cellar Hogs.
My favorite hedgehog was Durry from Marial of Redwall and The Bellmaker, Maybe it's just me, but all the rest didn't seem that.....interesting.
Hedgehogs did not make very deep characters. Thats why I don't like them. And they seemed a bit more grey than other races, just like voles.
I wouldn't call hedgehogs grey, there were only a couple that were bad or neutral (not sure that there even was a neutral hedgehog). There were many Cellarhogs, and the hogs in the dunes, Gurgan + various other free-roaming good hedgehogs, etc. Hedgehogs displayed a very "good side" bias.
In response to some of the older responses, I like voles. Viola was awesome; the only 'fussy infirmary sister' to go on an adventure, and make a difference in the story, and Yoofus Lightpaw was hilarious. And don't forget Rollo, both as a baby(Shoot a sparrow wiv a big sharp arrow!) and as a venerable old recorder. Just because a species is grey doesn't mean it's not an interesting species. In fact, the grey voles and shrews were some of the best and most interesting characters I can remember. Take Druwp. He betrayed the slaves, but he was looking out for himself. I enjoyed reading about and even admired his self-preservation. Of course, that doesn't change the fact that he deserves to be slapped across the face.
As to the topic itself, I'd have to say badgers. Sure, there were some awesome badgers(Cregga!), but the species as a whole strikes me as out-of-control savages that sometimes made pretty flat characters. Lonna Bowstripe and Gorath the Flame, for instance.
^ Did Druwp survive? I can't even remember reading what happened to him. :0
Yeah, in a way the badgers become less interesting because it's always about how mighty they are - 'mightier-than-thou' feeling you get from them. Their ways are harder to associate with. I've never been the biggest fan of badgers either (not sure why, they're pretty cute creatures, really), so they don't naturally seem to interest me so much.
I did originally vote hedgehog, so I suppose that still stands, as they don't have too much depth to them usually.
Quote from: W0NWILL on March 13, 2014, 01:06:54 AM
And don't forget Rollo, both as a baby(Shoot a sparrow wiv a big sharp arrow!) and as a venerable old recorder.
I forgot Rollo was a vole!
Mice always take the spotlight >:( That's why I chose mice.
I don't really like badgers either... with the exception of Sunflash the Mace, of course.
Quote from: redwallbro on March 26, 2014, 12:29:04 PM
Mice always take the spotlight >:( That's why I chose mice.
I'd have to disagree with you on that, Squirrels became really popular later on, and otters recurred as more important characters a bit after that. Admittedly, they certainly seem to have a superior role placement than do any other species accepting badgers (I'm not very fond of mice by the way, I found them boring and repetitive).
Shrew and Hedgehog.
Moles for sure. Just not real keen on them. No real reason there are just very few moles I liked.
Zurr, what you'm ave' 'gainst ee molers? Us'n dig gud 'oles! We do gud work furr ee h'Abbey! 'Thout us'ns, you'm have no rubble on ee wallers! And, we be maken summ Deeper'n'ever turni'n'tater'n'beetroot pie!
I voted Otter.
Shrews are my least favorite. They're not that bad, but the Guosim need to lighten up!
Ditto.
Voted 'Badger' because they are as a whole a paragon of good and right and cliche. As a whole they are unrealistic, if a FEW of their race were great noble leaders and the rest were... I dunno, at least somewhat grey? They're too perfect, a race of moral sues.
So basically, if they're to chivalrous, noble, and good, then you dislike them? Books are for the imagination, not for comparing to the world their for getting away from it all, famine and plague and all those things. That's what books are for bringing to life characters that can ONLY exist in the imagination. If badgers can't exist in the real world, then that's good, isn't it? Because the making of a good author is making all of that come to life, and Brian Jacques was one of those authors.
I for one agree with Rus though I don't think badgers are the worst because what they do is entertaining. The issue I have with badgers is that the story treats them as so good and righteous when they're not. The badgers of Redwall are bloodthirsty and violent and sometimes ruthless, why can't they be treated as any grey creature would be? However, Rus' point on a whole about clichéd paragons of the light is something that kind of turns me away from characters, people who can do no wrong do not exist and are boring as anything to read about. I want characters who are good people who do bad things or bad people who do good things, I want characters who are in a grey area of morality because they are the most interesting to read about
But most of them are blood thirsty only when they lose control.
And I voted Otter, mainly because it seems as if everyone on this site is obsessed with them.
Quote from: Delthion on September 24, 2014, 09:51:29 PM
So basically, if they're to chivalrous, noble, and good, then you dislike them? Books are for the imagination, not for comparing to the world their for getting away from it all, famine and plague and all those things. That's what books are for bringing to life characters that can ONLY exist in the imagination. If badgers can't exist in the real world, then that's good, isn't it? Because the making of a good author is making all of that come to life, and Brian Jacques was one of those authors.
I like people who are chivalrous, noble, and good in the real world. If I was to run in to a badger-esque person IRL, I'd probably like them a lot. But in a fantasy book, they're an overused character archetype. 'I can do no wrong, I will do no wrong, I have perfect judgement, I don't make mistakes, I am a guiding light for the entire world, I am not infinitely strong but my cause gives me strength, etc.'
Just my opinion. I don't like the idea of an entire race being anything, either- 'all elves are gracious' 'all half-orcs are ugly' 'all gnomes are cheerful,' either, so badgers annoy me a little in that aspect as well.
Thinking about what you said, yes, that is one definite reason to dislike them, but more as a whole than as an individual. The use of badgers as characters in the books might not be what is overused, but how they're portrayed is very stereotypical, and makes those of them who have different traits to be more interesting, like Sunflash, who enjoyed farming, Cregga, whose rage consumed her at nearly all times, and lastly, the Tabura and Salixa from Eulalia, who were rather peaceful badgers.
How could anyone hate a mole?! D:
I mean I get that some may be impatient with their dialogue, but they're just so dang awesome!
And cute ;D
I wish they had more baby moles in the series. I love hearing their voices in the audiobook. Especially Triss - I forget the baby moles name in that one but he was cute.
Why do people not like hedgehogs? I guess they're 2nd because voles aren't in the poll.
We classify voles as "grey" characters, so they aren't in the good guy category. We've got discussions for specifically grey characters as well.
Quote from: danflorreguba on November 03, 2014, 07:37:18 PM
We classify voles as "grey" characters, so they aren't in the good guy category. We've got discussions for specifically grey characters as well.
Okay thanks! ;)
I never really. Ares for the shrews.
HOW DID BADGERS GET 4 VOTES??!?!? They are one of the best, maybe second only to mice!!
Quote from: Soren the Warrior on November 13, 2014, 05:14:03 AM
I never really. Ares for the shrews.
HOW DID BADGERS GET 4 VOTES??!?!? They are one of the best, maybe second only to mice!!
True
I voted badgers just because I don't like how it takes an army to defeat one.
I can deal with the fact that all vermin suck at combat but when you take a creature that is so completely OP it gets a bit old.
Other then that their cool.
Suppose there's no bad badgers because they go crazy and get themselves killed?
Let's hope there will NEVER be a bad badger!
Okay, mice and voles. Although Martin and Matthaias and etc. are cool, many mice like brinty seem boring and often misrepresented in the audiobooks (High Rhulain). so my view may be warped.
Like hares and badgers! they're awesome!!!!
Sagetip the mods don't like when we double post. Just use that shiny "modify" button in the top right corner. :)
Shrews - They're rather argumentative, and they just got on my nerves. For one thing, first you're all singing and laughing. . . Then you're fighting over the silliest thing? Like, what? Then, they just seem so proudful - And proud of some of the strangest things. Like bragging. What the flip?
Quote from: LT Sandpaw on November 21, 2014, 10:50:44 PM
I voted badgers just because I don't like how it takes an army to defeat one.
I can deal with the fact that all vermin suck at combat but when you take a creature that is so completely OP it gets a bit old.
Other then that their cool.
........
My sentiments exactly. ^^^ That's always kinda bugged me, ut other than that, badgers are cool. I mean, they're not my favorite 'good' race, I just view them in a view rather like this: "Okay. You guys are cool, abd all, but you're alsao kind of meh."
Badgers - OP and arrogant.
The arrogance is definitely a defining racial character trait. All you have to do is look at Lords Rawnblade and Brocktree, for example. Though, in the more likeable badgers (Sunflash and Russano the Wise), this trait was conspicuously absent.
Quote from: Wylder Treejumper on July 22, 2015, 02:25:46 AM
The arrogance is definitely a defining racial character trait. All you have to do is look at Lords Rawnblade and Brocktree, for example. Though, in the more likeable badgers (Sunflash and Russano the Wise), this trait was conspicuously absent.
Rawnblade I don't remember very well, but Brocktree arrogant? Possibly a bit proud, but I wouldn't call him arrogant. There are also the three badgers from Eulalia (Gorath, and the travelers), none of them were arrogant, and I don't remember Urthewyte being arrogant either. The difference between pride and arrogance being that pride is looking highly on yourself, where as arrogance is looking down on others in comparison to how you see yourself.
Part of it was the power they commanded, being Badger Lords; creatures obeyed them, most without question. This is something a lot of people don't like, because a symbol of power is often something people want to rebel against. (Every dystopian story ever.) So, perhaps their power figure, their physical prowess, and the fact that they're almost legends is enough to make people not like them.
I have to echo previous sentiments and say badgers, because they're often a lot less interesting than the other species, sometimes even to the point of being downright boring. They're just too "perfect." Not that they're universally awful or anything - as side characters, they serve a useful role as strong leaders and wise mentor figures - but when they try to be our main protagonist, they tend to lose their way. Gorath the Flame and Lord Brocktree are probably the most easy-to-identify examples; I thought Gorath was a huge Gary Stu, and while Brocktree wasn't quite that bad, he was still easily one of the least interesting good guy characters in his own book. But I do remember liking Sunflash the Mace (who's basically the protagonist of Outcast of Redwall, despite the fact that the title doesn't even refer to him), although it has been a long while since I've read that particular book; I'll have to reread it at some point to see if he'd hold up as a character to me now.
I don't have a least favorite good race right now, but the results are interesting.
Why are there so many votes for hedgehogs? They're underrated. Actually, that's why I made the protagonist of my Pompeii fanfic a hedgehog - it's more of an "unlikely hero". He's going to be friends with a shrew, as well. Shrews are also somewhat underrated, and so are moles (but I have yet to master mole speech, which is the only reason I don't have a mole main character).
I have to admit, shrews do annoy me sometimes because of all their arguing.
I don't like some aspects of badgers...they seem overpowered. I'm hoping to break the norm by being a small, shy, and not very strong badger as an RP character.
My least favorite are the voles.
I think voles are considered gray.
Hmm...to be honest, I personally don't grow too fond of many of the heroes. I don't know why.
I think badgers have an undeservedly bad reputation. Yes, they are overpowered, but you have to remember that badgers are naturally larger than just about every other animal in the books. Also, though badgers typically posess more endurance than other woodlanders, there are still numerous instances of them being slain. Considering the dramatic deaths of Lord Stonepaw and Boar the Fightwr, I would almost say that it's expected of badger lords to die in battle.
Badgers are about the same size as some species of otter though and you never get giant hulking sea otters in the series.
Good points, Izeroth.
What about Bloodwrath, though?
Quote from: Jetthebinturong on August 25, 2015, 09:01:31 AM
Badgers are about the same size as some species of otter though
Really?
Quote from: Skyblade on August 25, 2015, 03:36:17 AM
I think voles are considered gray.
Hmm...to be honest, I personally don't grow too fond of many of the heroes. I don't know why.
But the main ones are usually good.
Quote from: Jetthebinturong on August 25, 2015, 09:01:31 AM
Badgers are about the same size as some species of otter though and you never get giant hulking sea otters in the series.
Finnbarr and Skor got pretty close, but Brain didn't specify. He almost never does. It could be anything...
I am easily annoyed with most birds in the books. It's safe to say that all of the birds except for Chibb, Skarlath, Stryk Redkite, and those in Martin the Warrior (Boldred, her family, and the Warden) are at the bottom of my favourites list. Rabbits, too. Don't like them much.
At the same time, birds are like that for the story. For example, Chibb is a robin, and we like him for his characteristics, but the other robin in Redwall, the dude in Outcast, has the same characteristics (needs a payment [food] for information) but we hate him for it. It's the way Brian writes.
As for the rabbits, I just think Brian didn't have enough ime to develop them.
Quote from: Sagetip, the hare on September 04, 2015, 01:13:17 PM
As for the rabbits, I just think Brian didn't have enough ime to develop them.
25 years, not counting the years he spent writing Redwall.
What I mean is that he didn't give them a lot of time in the story. Also, all the important skills were being taken up by other animals at the time.
I like Chibb because he's important to the story. He's also humourous. I don't remember the robin from Outcast, let alone its name, so I can't list him as an exception. Outcast is coming up soon on my reading list, so I'll rediscover that robin before long.
Like rabbits, dormice weren't well-developed in the series, and because of their uselessness I like them less than mice and other woodland species. On the other hand, I don't mind voles. They're not well-developed either (an entire book without a vole wouldn't be lacking in character variety); they're a filler species, used when a character doesn't possess any of the attributes associated with some of the other species, but they're found more often in the series, and I enjoy the addition of some species outside the usual ones.
Out of those I'd go with Hedgehog.
Quote from: Banya on September 04, 2015, 07:00:56 AM
I am easily annoyed with most birds in the books. It's safe to say that all of the birds except for Chibb, Skarlath, Stryk Redkite, and those in Martin the Warrior (Boldred, her family, and the Warden) are at the bottom of my favourites list. Rabbits, too. Don't like them much.
What about Warbeak Sparra? She makes two appearances and is pretty awesome in both.
I love the birds. Usually they're completely crazy and rather nonsensical, (rather like myself wot? Saw an opportunity to good to miss!) ;D ;D
Quote from: LT Sandpaw on September 10, 2015, 01:26:29 AM
What about Warbeak Sparra? She makes two appearances and is pretty awesome in both.
I know so many readers like them, and I can appreciate that without understanding it. I never did like the Sparras.
same
Finally voted above; it wasn't an easy decision, but I voted for (or against, really) the squirrels. I like most of the squirrels (Fwirl, Felldoh, Craklyn, Saro, Triss, Russa, Jess and Silent Sam to name a few), but some squirrels really grate on me. That group includes the Gawtrybe and Jukka's tribe.
Dan, Corn, and Faiy will have your head. :P
Jukka's tribe, wow really?
Don't like Warbeak and the Sparra nor one of the coolest squirrel tribes in the series.
We have very different opinions. Still I totally understand your view on the Gawtrybe, they were just plain annoying.
I like Jukka and Ruro. The rest of the tribe were too simple - they were selfish animals with no ideas of right and wrong. At least Jukka is a grey character with complexity. I like Lady Amber, too, though I don't always agree with her ideas of justice and fairness.
Squirrels?!?! Nonsense! While I agree that Jukka's tribe and especially the Gawtrybe were terrible, they don't at all fit the general definition of squirrel. They are the very rare exception to the rule. I'd say the squirrel type is defined more in Song and Jess Squirrel. And, this also means that you commit the grave offense of having Rakkety Tam MacBurl, Doogy Plum and Armel as part of the "Least Favorite Species"... Unpardonable!
May I say that almost every squirrel character is a Mary Sue/Gary Stu?
Rakkety Tam was my least favourite book... like I said, it was a tough vote to cast, but when it comes down to it, the other species in the poll came out on top. We're talking about the least of the best. Squirrels are not at all the worst.
*Shuns Banya's existence.* So what do people think of Jukka's Tribe? Personally, I never particularly liked them, and I never particularly disliked them. ;D ;D
Quote from: Delthion on September 18, 2015, 04:47:18 AM
*Shuns Banya's existence.*
She's allowed her opinion. :P
As for Jukka's tribe, I really disliked their intolerance toward nearly every other beast but themselves.
Well Banya I suppose we must agree to disagree. But none the less, I always liked Jukka's tribe, they seemed driven by honor but they really didn't want to help out. They were their own creatures and seemed more like a neutral force rather then a. "Oh Aye creatures be in trouble lets rush to help them in a battle that might kill half of us!" Type characters that all otters and badgers seem to be.
Quote from: The Skarzs on September 18, 2015, 04:29:17 PM
Quote from: Delthion on September 18, 2015, 04:47:18 AM
*Shuns Banya's existence.*
She's allowed her opinion. :P
As for Jukka's tribe, I really disliked their intolerance toward nearly every other beast but themselves.
Notice the grins! ;D ;D
Notice the :P.
Ah. I never know what that means...
Quote from: LT Sandpaw on September 18, 2015, 04:38:23 PM
Well Banya I suppose we must agree to disagree. But none the less, I always liked Jukka's tribe, they seemed driven by honor but they really didn't want to help out. They were their own creatures and seemed more like a neutral force rather then a. "Oh Aye creatures be in trouble lets rush to help them in a battle that might kill half of us!" Type characters that all otters and badgers seem to be.
Finally, someone who views Jukka's tribe the way I do! I liked her and her tribe, they seemed more realistic. Most creatures (shrews/otters/hares/etc.) are always willing to rush into battle only to help the other creatures. I'm not saying that's bad, it's a kind thing to do, but it's nice to see a tribe that thinks more about their own lives rather than the lives of creatures they've never met. If I were Jukka, I would've done the same thing rather than rush my tribe head on into a fight I doubted we would win for some creatures I didn't even know without a single question about it.
Well, I don't know about the rest of you, but if I saw someone I could basically assume to be good (woodlanders) getting attacked by someone I could guarantee to be evil (vermin) I'd go jump in the fight, even if it was at a danger to myself.
Then again, maybe that's just my military training and paladin side speaking. Otherbeasts might not feel the same way...?
I feel the same way.
Well you got to remember they did still help Fleetcut against his pursuers when he ran into their pine grove.
What's wrong with hedgehogs?
Fat, lazy, can't fight. (totally biased here though)
Which hedgehogs were like that? I can't remember.
Ferdy and Coggs. They were pretty fat and lazy.
Ferdy and Coggs were barely more than babies, and if they'd grown up in Redwall, they'd have been Dibbuns. Babies tend to be rather fat and useless, but still, Ferdy and Coggs were important to the story.
(Of course, Martin and Gonff could have easily rescued Gingivere and Ferdy and Coggs could not have been captured, but what fun would that have been? Besides, that would have eliminated much of the need for the Mask.)
Some hedgehogs are fat and useless (Uggo, Twoggs, and Drogbuk Wiltud, to name just a few), but I have to defend Ferdy and Coggs. Most hedgehogs at least contribute to the story, whether by Cellarhogs' contributions to solving the obligatory Redwall riddle or rogue hedgehogs helping or hindering the protagonists along their quest.
I like it when hedgehogs are given fighting roles (they frequently use clubs, slings, and other blunt weapons), and I wish they could have been given more roles like those. A couple of my favourite hedgehogs are Tansy (whose name I almost took for my username) and Hillgorse from Martin the Warrior, without whom many slaves from the first wave of escapees would not have made it out of Marshank.
My least favorite species were voles, seeing as almost all of them we got to know were either murderers, cowards or just plain old jerks.
Seeing as they're not on the list, though, I'd have to go shrews... I enjoy the buggers, but their obsession with "KILL ALL VARMIN! TH' ONLY GOOD 'UN'S A DEAD 'UN!" in the later books kinda made me... hate them as good guys.
Definately Moles.... They rarely preform any kind of good service other than eating and digging.. (not talking about Grumm here lol)
Aw. . . But what about Axtel Sturnclaw? I think the moles were awesome, even if they couldn't be understood all the time.
Quote from: The Skarzs on January 14, 2016, 06:03:49 PM
Aw. . . But what about Axtel Sturnclaw? I think the moles were awesome, even if they couldn't be understood all the time.
There are a lot of good ones... but seriously - compared to the other animals...... there's just no way - It was a toss up between the moles and the hedgehogs - but the hedgehogs are good cooks so :P yea
The only mole I really liked was the one in Mossflower...whatsisname...
Young Dinny? I really like him too.
Yeah, that's it. Young Dinny! ;D
hares are just so gluttonous its hard to like them
I liked the earlier hares, but the the ones from post-Taggerung Redwall I did not like. They all felt like a cardboard cut-out of the same character, just more annoying each time.
Basil and Ballaw are the two good hares and the ones from The Long Patrol and Rakkety Tam too.
Hmm, well, I don't really dislike any of the species. Now if voles were on there I would be hitting that option so dadgum fast. I guess shrews? I mean, near the end they always felt like a cheap plot devise, though they were brilliant in the beginning.
I loved the shrews in Redwall and Mossflower. It was somewhere in the middle of the series that they just went bland.
Quote from: Nadaz, voice of the host on November 05, 2017, 10:18:25 PM
hares are just so gluttonous its hard to like them
Hmm, the only hare that I thought was gluttonous to the point of being annoying was Scarum. Other than him I really like hares.
I'd say my least favorite good species is probably mice. I felt like the mouse characters were generally boring and all the same, with a few notable exceptions. Most of the mice just kind of blurred together.
Quote from: Gonff the Mousethief on November 06, 2017, 04:40:39 AM
Hmm, well, I don't really dislike any of the species. Now if voles were on there I would be hitting that option so dadgum fast. I guess shrews? I mean, near the end they always felt like a cheap plot devise, though they were brilliant in the beginning.
There is a lot of reasons to hate voles, they have that deceptive OR whiney dispisition which is annoying.