In the first Redwall book Brian wrote, at the begining Abbot Mortimer tells Matthias that Martin fought a battle with a Wildcat army that was threatening to attack Redwall Abbey; suggesting that it was already built before he came. It also said that Abbey beats found him after the battle, next to death. This is somewhat similar to what happened in 'Mossflower'; Martin drove Tsarmina into the lake, causing her to drown, and the beasts that would later become creatures of Redwall found him injured and brought him back to health. It says that then (In 'Redwall') the Abbeybeasts then chose to become creatures of peace. These theories clash with the way that Brian says Martin 'came' to Redwall in 'Mossflower', it says that Martin came when Tsarmina's father ruled Mossflower; before Redwall was even thought of.
Which theory is correct?
I'd say the Mossflower one is, because...
by the time Matthias came around, Martin would've been long-dead. Tales become muddled over time, and it is possible that it was intended to seem that way. Or Brian just made a mistake.
Don't forget, the first one was written without the intention of a series. Brian maybe just chose a theory he liked better for a series over one that seemed better for a stand-alone book.
Quote from: W0NWILL on August 29, 2012, 04:04:20 AM
Don't forget, the first one was written without the intention of a series. Brian maybe just chose a theory he liked better for a series over one that seemed better for a stand-alone book.
this is the real answer
Quote from: WarriorOfMossflower on August 29, 2012, 02:40:52 AM
. Tales become muddled over time, and it is possible that it was intended to seem that way.
but this works better for a cannon reason
Quote from: W0NWILL on August 29, 2012, 04:04:20 AM
Don't forget, the first one was written without the intention of a series. Brian maybe just chose a theory he liked better for a series over one that seemed better for a stand-alone book.
That's the general answer. Mossflower is the correct theory as to where Martin was when Redwall was founded, though I like the suggestion of stories becoming befuddled over time.
I wouldn't call the two 'theories' contradictory, but conflictory. That's the better word choice for the differences apparent between the first book and series.
I know this is probably really off topic, but am I the only one who thinks that Moss The Warriormaid's post would make an interesting fanfiction? But, like WarriorofMossflower said, tales do become muddled over time, so by the time Matthias existed the origin story would have been very altered.
It actually makes me wonder if all of the Redwall books were somehow altered over time and being told over and over.
Originally Redwall was written as a standalone book but then certain elements were 'retconned' when it was expanded into a series. That's why there's a few inconsistencies.
I just consider the more recently written books to be the correct version of events and bear that in mind if I ever go back over the earlier ones again :)
Quote from: W0NWILL on August 29, 2012, 04:04:20 AM
Don't forget, the first one was written without the intention of a series. Brian maybe just chose a theory he liked better for a series over one that seemed better for a stand-alone book.
This is correct, but so is the fact that it wasn't intentionally a series.
I think that the Mosflower one is correct... Abbot Mortimer could have got his facts wrong.
Quote from: Moss the Warriormaid on August 29, 2012, 01:41:34 AM
In the first Redwall book Brian wrote, at the begining Abbot Mortimer tells Matthias that Martin fought a battle with a Wildcat army that was threatening to attack Redwall Abbey; suggesting that it was already built before he came. It also said that Abbey beats found him after the battle, next to death. This is somewhat similar to what happened in 'Mossflower'; Martin drove Tsarmina into the lake, causing her to drown, and the beasts that would later become creatures of Redwall found him injured and brought him back to health. It says that then (In 'Redwall') the Abbeybeasts then chose to become creatures of peace. These theories clash with the way that Brian says Martin 'came' to Redwall in 'Mossflower', it says that Martin came when Tsarmina's father ruled Mossflower; before Redwall was even thought of.
Which theory is correct?
thank you for an un-hidden spoiler
Quote from: Mattio on January 25, 2013, 02:53:54 AM
Quote from: Moss the Warriormaid on August 29, 2012, 01:41:34 AM
In the first Redwall book Brian wrote, at the begining Abbot Mortimer tells Matthias that Martin fought a battle with a Wildcat army that was threatening to attack Redwall Abbey; suggesting that it was already built before he came. It also said that Abbey beats found him after the battle, next to death. This is somewhat similar to what happened in 'Mossflower'; Martin drove Tsarmina into the lake, causing her to drown, and the beasts that would later become creatures of Redwall found him injured and brought him back to health. It says that then (In 'Redwall') the Abbeybeasts then chose to become creatures of peace. These theories clash with the way that Brian says Martin 'came' to Redwall in 'Mossflower', it says that Martin came when Tsarmina's father ruled Mossflower; before Redwall was even thought of.
Which theory is correct?
thank you for an un-hidden spoiler
Sorry pal, it happens some time.
I know well I knew Tsarmina was gonna die sometime killed by martin. He really needs to stop vowing to kill people. One day he'll meet his match.
I know, right?
How did he die again....that would make a sad Fanfic.
I'm going to guess of old age. He made it to the Abbey. (2 MORE POSTS)
Some day (when my wright gets better) I will write about his end.
I might
Quote from: Mattio on February 16, 2013, 02:52:58 AM
I might
Please don't steal my idea, thanks. I guess there could be two storys though.
I won't I promise I might just make one for the heck f it because that would be a good topic
Quote from: Mattio on February 16, 2013, 02:55:08 AM
I won't I promise I might just make one for the heck f it because that would be a good topic
I know right.
Quote from: WarriorOfMossflower on August 29, 2012, 02:40:52 AM
I'd say the Mossflower one is, because...
by the time Matthias came around, Martin would've been long-dead. Tales become muddled over time, and it is possible that it was intended to seem that way. Or Brian just made a mistake.
maybe the redwall creatures forgot over time it does happen ::)
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True. And, like other tall tales, each generation makes the story a little different.