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Title: The Sable Quean (Charater discussion)
Post by: Redwall Musician on August 16, 2011, 06:41:30 PM
I have a little question, and I was wondering if anyone could help. Vilaya is called the sable quean, but her name is not spelled like queen (Quean not queen). Why is this?

Please excuse me if I make no sense, or if this is a weird question.

And if you have anything else to say about the sable queen, feel free to post is here.
Title: Re: The Sable Quean (Charater discussion)
Post by: Taggerung_of_Redwall on August 16, 2011, 06:47:02 PM
Quean is an old English word for "wicked lady".

The book had a unique feature of containing a mole warrior, Axtel Sturnclaw.
And it had an array of freelance warriors; Bosie, Zaran, Axtel, Buckler. Pretty cool really, different from the more normal groups of fighters and pronounced warrior theme.
Title: Re: The Sable Quean (Charater discussion)
Post by: Redwall Musician on August 16, 2011, 06:57:58 PM
Quote from: Taggerung_of_Redwall on August 16, 2011, 06:47:02 PM
Quean is an old English word for "wicked lady".

Oh, thanks, I didn't know that. I tried googling it, but google was lying.

I find it very interesting how little Tassy was able to help Axtel when he injured his foot paw (well, I think it was a foot paw). It shows how even though Dibbuns may seem naughty they can be very responsible. I'll aways wonder if she went on to become an infirmary keeper.  
Title: Re: The Sable Quean (Charater discussion)
Post by: daskar666 on August 17, 2011, 06:00:48 PM
Post modified.
Title: Re: The Sable Quean (Charater discussion)
Post by: Nightfire on August 17, 2011, 08:06:41 PM
I absolutely LOOOVE Zaran!!!! She reminds me of Ranguvar Foeseeker, in a sense. Have you ever noticed how Zaran is the only black otter in the series, and Ranguvar is the only black squirrel in the series?
Title: Re: The Sable Quean (Charater discussion)
Post by: daskar666 on August 18, 2011, 12:52:46 AM
Yep. Also I believe Rake Nightfur is the only black hare and Farran is the only black fox.
Title: Re: The Sable Quean (Charater discussion)
Post by: Nightfire on August 18, 2011, 07:38:13 PM
It's cool how Brian put a black character of that species in ever now and then. ;D Zaran is the otter, Ranguvar is the squirrel, Rake is the hare, and Farran is the fox! Any other Redwall characters with black fur?
Title: Re: The Sable Quean (Charater discussion)
Post by: Skalrag of Marshank on August 19, 2011, 01:05:19 AM
Shadow from Redwall.
Title: Re: The Sable Quean (Charater discussion)
Post by: Captain Tammo on August 21, 2011, 06:46:02 PM
I don't remember any others, but back on the sable quean topic: axle Sturnclaw is AWESOME!
Title: Re: The Sable Quean (Charater discussion)
Post by: Dotti on August 22, 2011, 03:41:48 AM
Did Zaran end up marrying another otter???  I can't remember but it seems like she did......
Title: Re: The Sable Quean (Charater discussion)
Post by: Taggerung_of_Redwall on August 22, 2011, 03:43:34 AM
Yes, she mated with Skipper Rorgus.
Title: Re: The Sable Quean (Charater discussion)
Post by: DanielofRedwall on August 22, 2011, 10:01:48 AM
Isn't Zaran is from Doomwyte, not the Sable Quean?
Title: Re: The Sable Quean (Charater discussion)
Post by: Taggerung_of_Redwall on August 22, 2011, 02:21:58 PM
I think the two books have been discussed here, and the characters of Doomwyte moreso. But yes, Zaran is from Doomwyte.
Title: Re: The Sable Quean (Charater discussion)
Post by: Redwall Musician on August 22, 2011, 04:57:55 PM
Quote from: daskar666 on August 17, 2011, 06:00:48 PM
>Bosie
>Zaran
The disadvantage of speed reading.

daskar pointed two characters from Doomwyte.

In the Sable Queen they have:
Buckler (who I like soooo much)
Vilaya
Zwilt
Ambry
Axtel
Title: Re: The Sable Quean (Charater discussion)
Post by: Log-a-Log on August 23, 2011, 02:30:04 AM
My favorite character in the Sable Quean is Axtel. He is awesome
Title: Re: The Sable Quean (Charater discussion)
Post by: Osu on August 26, 2011, 01:11:07 AM
Axtel was great - now if only I could see a mole as an abbot/abbess, my life would be complete. *whistful sigh*

I'm never quite sure what I think of Buckler, but right now I really like him. His situation was an interesting one, and it spoke volumes about the culture behind the hares at Salamandastron. Fascinating.
Title: Re: The Sable Quean (Charater discussion)
Post by: winifred on October 14, 2011, 06:14:48 AM
Quote from: Redwall Musician on August 16, 2011, 06:41:30 PM
I have a little question, and I was wondering if anyone could help. Vilaya is called the sable quean, but her name is not spelled like queen (Quean not queen). Why is this?

Please excuse me if I make no sense, or if this is a weird question.

And if you have anything else to say about the sable queen, feel free to post is here.
when I read the book I wondered the same thing I looked it up in the dictionaryit says:bold,impudentgirl or woman;hussy(a bad mannered or pert girl 2. a worthless woman! that pretty much summons up vilaya :P
Title: Re: The Sable Quean (Charater discussion)
Post by: Zwilt the Shade on October 23, 2011, 01:28:32 PM
My fav character in the Sable Quean was Zwilt. I was angry when The SQ was alive after Zwilt almost killed her. >:( I also liked Buckler. And Vilaya took my signature weapon, a poisoned dagger!  D:<
Title: Re: The Sable Quean (Charater discussion)
Post by: Flandor on February 11, 2012, 02:47:35 AM
I know this is dredging up an old topic but I just reread Sable Quean and wanted to comment.

Flib is awesome.

I loved her character this time around.  She reminds me of an even more awesome Storm Gullwhacker.  She's fearless, and when she defends the two dibbuns from Thwip and his mate, stabbing one of them, I thought it was really brave and a nice change from young ones who can't defend themselves.  I also thought it was funny that she insisted on being called Flib.  It fit her personality perfectly.
Title: Re: The Sable Quean (Charater discussion)
Post by: Tiria Wildlough on February 11, 2012, 05:18:49 AM
I didn't like Flib. She is just too forceful.
Title: Re: The Sable Quean (Charater discussion)
Post by: redwallgurl on February 11, 2012, 06:17:27 PM
Flib is awesome she has a strong spirit and is determined to do anything her way like a wanderer or warrior
Title: Re: The Sable Quean (Charater discussion)
Post by: Tiria Wildlough on February 12, 2012, 02:59:39 AM
Flib was just a mix of Spingo, Mariel, and some unknown horrifying character.
Title: Re: The Sable Quean (Charater discussion)
Post by: redwallgurl on February 12, 2012, 03:06:39 PM
true  ;D and diggs is pretty funny always liking food and such
Title: Re: The Sable Quean (Charater discussion)
Post by: Tiria Wildlough on February 13, 2012, 08:17:40 AM
It was hilarious when he thought he was Colonel Crockley Sputherington. :D :D
Title: Re: The Sable Quean (Charater discussion)
Post by: Bragoon on February 13, 2012, 05:24:27 PM
At first, like Buckler, I would have sworn Diggs was pulling Buckler's leg with the Colonel thing.  I think Mr. Jacques executed that scene particularly well.
Title: Re: The Sable Quean (Charater discussion)
Post by: Ferdy and Coggs on February 13, 2012, 09:23:55 PM
I was disappointed how The Sable Quean didn't have a big riddle in the story like every other book (not including the Rogue Crew 'cause I just started it.)
however, lack of boring characters practically made up for it. I wonder why he didn't use warrior moles before?
Title: Re: The Sable Quean (Charater discussion)
Post by: Leatho Shellhound on March 01, 2012, 01:48:20 PM
Quote from: Tiria Wildlough on February 12, 2012, 02:59:39 AM
Flib was just a mix of Spingo, Mariel, and some unknown horrifying character.

What's wrong with Spingo? Doomwyte is my favorite book.
Quote from: winifred on October 14, 2011, 06:14:48 AM
Quote from: Redwall Musician on August 16, 2011, 06:41:30 PM
I have a little question, and I was wondering if anyone could help. Vilaya is called the sable quean, but her name is not spelled like queen (Quean not queen). Why is this?

Please excuse me if I make no sense, or if this is a weird question.

And if you have anything else to say about the sable queen, feel free to post is here.
when I read the book I wondered the same thing I looked it up in the dictionary it says:bold,impudentgirl or woman;hussy(a bad mannered or pert girl 2. a worthless woman! that pretty much summons up vilaya :P

um yes I read "Quean" in another book that I am reading called Kim and your def. fits there too. It is a very hard book to read (by Rudyard Kipling) but I am used to a harder read, I read a lot of Jules Verne books.
Title: Re: The Sable Quean (Charater discussion)
Post by: Tannsrall on March 07, 2012, 12:39:25 AM
I liked flib after a couple of chapters after meeting her, not so much in the beginning. I found it very funny when Digg's thought he was another beast (name?), I laughed even harder when  Dymphnia Witherspyk told of when Oakheart Witherspike had the same thing hppen to him and how he thought he was a owl.
Title: Re: The Sable Quean (Charater discussion)
Post by: Tiria Wildlough on March 07, 2012, 06:37:22 AM
Quote from: Leatho Shellhound on March 01, 2012, 01:48:20 PM
Quote from: Tiria Wildlough on February 12, 2012, 02:59:39 AM
Flib was just a mix of Spingo, Mariel, and some unknown horrifying character.

What's wrong with Spingo? Doomwyte is my favorite book.
Nothing, it's just that Flib seems to have all of Spingo's bad traits. ::)
Title: Re: The Sable Quean (Charater discussion)
Post by: GeminyaTome on April 21, 2012, 02:36:11 PM
What kind of animal is Vilaya??????? My little eight year old friends have been asking me what kind of animal she is!! They see the picture and ask who Buckler is, and what kind of animal is he, and who the Sable Quean is and what kind of animal who she is. All I can tell them is that she is a bad person....
Title: Re: The Sable Quean (Charater discussion)
Post by: Tiria Wildlough on April 21, 2012, 02:39:23 PM
She's a sable, which is a species of marten:

(https://encrypted-tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTixP3VcZoCfS7DM8XPr84bOSg0RKjYKajoXhZaGmpoG4UTkYi59Q)
Title: Re: The Sable Quean (Charater discussion)
Post by: WildDoogyPlumm on April 21, 2012, 02:45:43 PM
Quote from: Tiria Wildlough on April 21, 2012, 02:39:23 PM
She's a sable, which is a species of marten:

(https://encrypted-tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTixP3VcZoCfS7DM8XPr84bOSg0RKjYKajoXhZaGmpoG4UTkYi59Q)
That looks kind of creepy.
Then again, Vilaya is creepy.
Title: Re: The Sable Quean (Charater discussion)
Post by: Tiria Wildlough on April 21, 2012, 03:01:46 PM
Naw, I think they're cute! But that particular picture suits Vilaya quite well.
Title: Re: The Sable Quean (Charater discussion)
Post by: GeminyaTome on April 21, 2012, 09:04:45 PM
Thank you! I thought "sable" meant black, because in King Arthur, there's a sable knight. Now, it makes sense...
Title: Re: The Sable Quean (Charater discussion)
Post by: Ceteruler on April 21, 2012, 09:49:11 PM
she is a very evil sable. and supposedly beautiful. *creeeeepy*
Title: Re: The Sable Quean (Charater discussion)
Post by: Dannflower Reguba on April 22, 2012, 03:42:17 AM
I hate her, she kiiled Flandor! >:( >:( >:(

(She's just a coward, couldn't fight a properly armed beast)
Title: Re: The Sable Quean (Charater discussion)
Post by: Tiria Wildlough on April 22, 2012, 06:21:55 AM
I was annoyed cause I liked her at the beginning, then I hated her because she killed Flandor. :-X
Title: Re: The Sable Quean (Charater discussion)
Post by: Tannsrall on May 08, 2012, 08:47:20 PM
Anything that uses poison is just not cool. I hated it when she killed flandor, even if he could have recovered the blade was poisoned and he didn't have the chance.
Title: Re: The Sable Quean (Charater discussion)
Post by: Dannflower Reguba on May 08, 2012, 08:50:44 PM
Whoah! I just got another crazy idea for my ENORMOUS series of fan fics comin' up! (it's going to be AWESOME!)
Title: Re: The Sable Quean (Charater discussion)
Post by: redwallgurl on May 08, 2012, 09:21:12 PM
She is pretty good except for all the bad things shes done. Kinda reminds me of me
Title: Re: The Sable Quean (Charater discussion)
Post by: Dannflower Reguba on May 08, 2012, 09:30:15 PM
HAHAHA!
That made my day!
Title: Re: The Sable Quean (Charater discussion)
Post by: Dannflor on May 09, 2012, 02:58:43 PM
 My favorite charecter is Flibb I really do not know why
Title: Re: The Sable Quean (Charater discussion)
Post by: Dannflower Reguba on May 09, 2012, 03:07:24 PM
Isn't that that annoying hedgehog that is really reall (x200000) mean?
Title: Re: The Sable Quean (Charater discussion)
Post by: Dannflor on May 09, 2012, 04:18:39 PM
 No the shrew Logalog's oldest daughter
Title: Re: The Sable Quean (Charater discussion)
Post by: Dannflower Reguba on May 09, 2012, 04:32:39 PM
I hate her even more than the annoying hedgehog!  :D
Title: Re: The Sable Quean (Charater discussion)
Post by: Dannflor on May 09, 2012, 07:04:25 PM
 I know but for some odd reason I still like her  ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: The Sable Quean (Charater discussion)
Post by: Dannflower Reguba on May 09, 2012, 07:10:45 PM
Fie on you! Outrage sah! :P
;D ;)
Title: Re: The Sable Quean (Charater discussion)
Post by: Captain Rake Nightfur on May 09, 2012, 10:31:41 PM
 Actually their's a another black here in 'High Rhulain' his name is captain 'rake grandon' I like I know is name is rake something...
Quote from: Nightfire on August 18, 2011, 07:38:13 PM
It's cool how Brian put a black character of that species in ever now and then. ;D Zaran is the otter, Ranguvar is the squirrel, Rake is the hare, and Farran is the fox! Any other Redwall characters with black fur?
Title: Re: The Sable Quean (Charater discussion)
Post by: Dannflower Reguba on May 09, 2012, 10:34:36 PM
Rake rake rake, when will it ever stop? :D

That was kind of funny... Two hares that are both black are both named Rake.  :)
Title: Re: The Sable Quean (Charater discussion)
Post by: Captain Rake Nightfur on May 09, 2012, 11:08:28 PM
yeah, lol... maybe they're related!!  :o
Quote from: danflorreguba on May 09, 2012, 10:34:36 PM
Rake rake rake, when will it ever stop? :D

That was kind of funny... Two hares that are both black are both named Rake.  :)
Title: Re: The Sable Quean (Charater discussion)
Post by: Osu on May 10, 2012, 03:54:32 AM
That is an interesting theory... somebody go start a thread for the Captain Rakes! XD" This one is about Vilaya, so let's keep it on topic. ;)
Title: Re: The Sable Quean (Charater discussion)
Post by: Tiria Wildlough on May 10, 2012, 04:39:43 AM
The part where she says 'Be silent, or I will eat you!' cracks me up every time I read it. ;D
Title: Re: The Sable Quean (Charater discussion)
Post by: Dannflower Reguba on May 10, 2012, 03:22:33 PM
How is canibalism funny!? (Which part was that again?)
Title: Re: The Sable Quean (Charater discussion)
Post by: Captain Rake Nightfur on May 10, 2012, 07:34:21 PM
okay, sorry.  :) *goes to start new one for rakes*
Quote from: Osu on May 10, 2012, 03:54:32 AM
That is an interesting theory... somebody go start a thread for the Captain Rakes! XD" This one is about Vilaya, so let's keep it on topic. ;)
Title: Re: The Sable Quean (Charater discussion)
Post by: Tiria Wildlough on May 11, 2012, 08:37:32 AM
Quote from: danflorreguba on May 10, 2012, 03:22:33 PM
How is canibalism funny!? (Which part was that again?)
Well, I knew she wasn't really going to eat them. She's too refined for that. ;)
Title: Re: The Sable Quean (Charater discussion)
Post by: Ungatt Trunn on May 27, 2012, 09:56:32 PM
I haven't read The Sable Quean yet. What is it exactly about?
Title: Re: The Sable Quean (Charater discussion)
Post by: Bragoon on May 28, 2012, 12:55:09 AM
You should read it, you wouldn't want us to spoil it for you.  ;)

But it focuses around Buckler Kordyne, a blademaster in the Long Patrol, who hasn't learned to show respect and responsibility. 
Title: Re: The Sable Quean (Charater discussion)
Post by: Dannflower Reguba on May 28, 2012, 02:08:57 AM
Quote from: Tiria Wildlough on May 11, 2012, 08:37:32 AM
Quote from: danflorreguba on May 10, 2012, 03:22:33 PM
How is canibalism funny!? (Which part was that again?)
Well, I knew she wasn't really going to eat them. She's too refined for that. ;)

NO, and I repeat, NO vermin is to "Refined".... Except Blaggut of course!
Title: Re: The Sable Quean (Charater discussion)
Post by: Jack the Quick on July 02, 2019, 10:49:24 PM
I liked Buckler and Dotti's relationship, I found it a little more interesting then some of the other Redwall relationships. I don't know why, exactly, but I do.
Title: Re: The Sable Quean (Charater discussion)
Post by: The Skarzs on July 04, 2019, 12:23:05 AM
(Was Dotti in that book?)
Title: Re: The Sable Quean (Charater discussion)
Post by: Jack the Quick on July 04, 2019, 12:33:54 PM
(I can't keep my haremaids strait, so I think so?)
Title: Re: The Sable Quean (Charater discussion)
Post by: Jetthebinturong on July 04, 2019, 02:52:24 PM
The only Dotti I remember is the one from Lord Brocktree.
Title: Re: The Sable Quean (Charater discussion)
Post by: The Skarzs on July 04, 2019, 05:52:45 PM
If I remember rightly, Buckler was too busy being the best swordsbeast in the world to have a relationship.
Title: Re: The Sable Quean (Charater discussion)
Post by: Jack the Quick on July 04, 2019, 10:13:57 PM
Twenty two books is a lot to keep track of, okay? I don't remember who's from which book, or who had a relationship with who. I could be thinking of someone entirely different.
Title: Re: The Sable Quean (Charater discussion)
Post by: The Grey Coincidence on July 05, 2019, 04:31:28 AM
What Jack said XD
Title: Re: The Sable Quean (Charater discussion)
Post by: Steelinghades on July 17, 2019, 03:06:56 PM
Quote from: Redwall Musician on August 16, 2011, 06:57:58 PM
Quote from: Taggerung_of_Redwall on August 16, 2011, 06:47:02 PM
Quean is an old English word for "wicked lady".

Oh, thanks, I didn't know that. I tried googling it, but google was lying.

I find it very interesting how little Tassy was able to help Axtel when he injured his foot paw (well, I think it was a foot paw). It shows how even though Dibbuns may seem naughty they can be very responsible. I'll aways wonder if she went on to become an infirmary keeper. 

That's incorrect, google was not lying about the meaning of Quean, Jacques used a old definition of it that has been out of use for decades.
Title: Re: The Sable Quean (Charater discussion)
Post by: Jack the Quick on July 24, 2019, 02:31:26 PM
Quote from: Redwall Musician on August 16, 2011, 06:57:58 PM

I find it very interesting how little Tassy was able to help Axtel when he injured his foot paw (well, I think it was a foot paw). It shows how even though Dibbuns may seem naughty they can be very responsible. I'll aways wonder if she went on to become an infirmary keeper. 
I agree.