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Title: Axtel Sturnclaw
Post by: Nightfire on September 15, 2011, 05:20:10 PM
Okay, so out of all of the Redwall characters, Axtel Sturnclaw has always intrigued me the most. He is the first and only Warrior Mole to ever appear in the series, as well as the first and only mole who has ever been possessed of the Bloodwrath. Any thoughts or comments? I particularly loved his war hammer. Here he is, just so you know what he looks like:

(http://images.wikia.com/redwall/images/6/65/AxtelSR.png)
Title: Re: Axtel Sturnclaw
Post by: Log-a-Log on September 16, 2011, 02:28:04 AM
His hammer was awesome!
Title: Re: Axtel Sturnclaw
Post by: Nightfire on September 16, 2011, 04:52:17 PM
I think he's so cool!!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Axtel Sturnclaw
Post by: Captain Tammo on September 16, 2011, 09:40:58 PM
Axtel was always one of my favorites! Finally the moles get a warrior! Have you ever noticed there's never been a mole as the main character in the series? I was always frustrated with that.
Title: Re: Axtel Sturnclaw
Post by: Nightfire on September 16, 2011, 11:13:41 PM
Have you ever noticed how there has never been a mole as abbot or abbess? That frustrated me.
Title: Re: Axtel Sturnclaw
Post by: Captain Tammo on September 18, 2011, 11:24:02 PM
Moles don't get enough credit!
Title: Re: Axtel Sturnclaw
Post by: Log-a-Log on September 19, 2011, 12:25:48 AM
They have had huge parts in the books though. For instance, if the moles didn't tunnel to the underground lake, the Corim wouldn't have won as quickly
Title: Re: Axtel Sturnclaw
Post by: DanielofRedwall on September 19, 2011, 09:59:31 AM
I loved it that there was a warrior mole. Axtel was such a fierce warrior, yet he was still in possesion of the famed "mole logic". He was also great with those younger characters.
Title: Re: Axtel Sturnclaw
Post by: Coobreedan on September 19, 2011, 04:19:51 PM
I just crack up when I hear the words mole and bloodrath together for some reason...
Title: Re: Axtel Sturnclaw
Post by: Nightfire on September 19, 2011, 07:12:10 PM
Bloodwrath Mole!!!!

I bet Axtel could easily take on Asmodeus. Maybe even Harssacss, Sesstra, and Zassiliss at the same time!
Title: Re: Axtel Sturnclaw
Post by: Log-a-Log on September 21, 2011, 12:48:54 AM
Do you think Axtel could kill a bloodwrathy badger
Title: Re: Axtel Sturnclaw
Post by: DanielofRedwall on September 21, 2011, 10:10:29 AM
^

Not a chance! Axtel was a good warrior, but seriously, a bloodwrath badger? Nobody can beat one of them!
Title: Re: Axtel Sturnclaw
Post by: Nightfire on September 21, 2011, 04:47:34 PM
I think he could take on Cregga Rose Eyes, because she never fought with skill when possessed of the Bloodwrath. But if he had to fight Boar, or Sunflash, then he would lose.
Title: Re: Axtel Sturnclaw
Post by: Coobreedan on September 22, 2011, 08:21:46 PM
Quote from: Nightfire on September 19, 2011, 07:12:10 PM
Bloodwrath Mole!!!!

I bet Axtel could easily take on Asmodeus. Maybe even Harssacss, Sesstra, and Zassiliss at the same time!
You always be mean to snakes... :(
Title: Re: Axtel Sturnclaw
Post by: Nightfire on September 23, 2011, 11:13:55 PM
I'm not mean to snakes. Just to those four. I really like Mr. Death, as well as Korvus Skurr's crown, what's-her-name. I think that if Axtel was given Martin sword, then that would be really cool!
Title: Re: Axtel Sturnclaw
Post by: Coobreedan on September 26, 2011, 04:25:42 PM
We would of used it better than Matthias, but it is officially Matthias's though.

LEAVE ASMODEUS ALONE!
Title: Re: Axtel Sturnclaw
Post by: Nightfire on September 26, 2011, 05:37:30 PM
Sigh...fine. :( I'll go bug Zassaliss, Harssacss and Sesstra, then.  ;D
Title: Re: Axtel Sturnclaw
Post by: winifred on September 28, 2011, 11:13:08 PM
Quote from: Captain Tammo on September 18, 2011, 11:24:02 PM
Moles don't get enough credit!
I totally agree >:( I just read that book!!!
Title: Re: Axtel Sturnclaw
Post by: Taggerung The Otter on November 07, 2011, 03:03:00 PM
nice drawing.
Title: Re: Axtel Sturnclaw
Post by: Nightfire on November 07, 2011, 03:30:05 PM
Moles need more credit. Axtel Sturnclaw was really cool and powerful, yet he was sensible and great with the dibbuns.
Title: Re: Axtel Sturnclaw
Post by: Taggerung The Otter on November 07, 2011, 03:39:04 PM
Quote from: Nightfire on November 07, 2011, 03:30:05 PM
Moles need more credit. Axtel Sturnclaw was really cool and powerful, yet he was sensible and great with the dibbuns.

was he the mole that had perfect english...if so he was really awsome
Title: Re: Axtel Sturnclaw
Post by: Blademaster on November 07, 2011, 10:43:38 PM
Finally a topic for one of my favorite characters ever. A bloodwrath mole nothing (except a bloodwrath badger) can beat a bloodwrath mole. Yup not even you Martin.
Title: Re: Axtel Sturnclaw
Post by: Lily on November 08, 2011, 06:48:15 AM
Quote from: Taggerung The Otter on November 07, 2011, 03:39:04 PM
Quote from: Nightfire on November 07, 2011, 03:30:05 PM
Moles need more credit. Axtel Sturnclaw was really cool and powerful, yet he was sensible and great with the dibbuns.

was he the mole that had perfect english...if so he was really awsome
That was Egburt from The Bellmaker. Axtel Sturnclaw was the warrior mole from The Sable Quean.
Title: Re: Axtel Sturnclaw
Post by: Blademaster on November 09, 2011, 12:06:45 AM
I thought it was odd when he passed out from a small paw wound  ??? not to be offensive but i thought he was tougher then that :(
Title: Re: Axtel Sturnclaw
Post by: Captain Tammo on November 10, 2011, 12:00:14 AM
I think he could've taken a bloodwrath badger! It just depends on the environment, if the badger gets hit by that hammer you can forget it! Besides, bloodwrath is still bloodwrath, just because it's in a badger doesn't mean it's a worse case of it. A mole could have a much worse case for all we know
Title: Re: Axtel Sturnclaw
Post by: Taggerung The Otter on November 10, 2011, 01:06:51 PM
This is brilant
Title: Re: Axtel Sturnclaw
Post by: Tiria Wildlough on December 25, 2011, 07:01:16 AM
Quote from: Blademaster on November 07, 2011, 10:43:38 PM
A bloodwrath mole nothing (except a bloodwrath badger) can beat a bloodwrath mole. Yup not even you Martin.
I think Martin could have beaten him...
Title: Re: Axtel Sturnclaw
Post by: Tannsrall on February 17, 2012, 11:58:37 PM
I am sort of glad that a mole was not the main character because all that mole speech would be really annoying even if you understand like I do. Plus I think that moles have not been the Abbot or Abbess because they are formoles.

Martin can best any beast because he is Martin.
Title: Re: Axtel Sturnclaw
Post by: Dannflower Reguba on May 09, 2012, 10:31:23 PM
I would have liked to see more of the moles because they are so logically hilarious! Axtel was pretty cool/sweet/awesome whichever you prefer... And when did he pass out from a paw wound?
Quote from: Blademaster on November 09, 2011, 12:06:45 AM
I thought it was odd when he passed out from a small paw wound  ??? not to be offensive but i thought he was tougher then that :(
Title: Re: Axtel Sturnclaw
Post by: Lily on May 10, 2012, 08:57:48 AM
I wouldn't call that a "small paw wound". He was stabbed through the footpaw with a spear and then managed to rescue some captives while the spear head was still stuck in there before he passed out from blood loss and pain. That seems pretty tough to me!
Title: Re: Axtel Sturnclaw
Post by: Bragoon on May 10, 2012, 12:17:10 PM
I don't think he passed out, I think he went to sleep on purpose.
Title: Re: Axtel Sturnclaw
Post by: Dannflower Reguba on May 10, 2012, 03:19:44 PM

Quote from: Lily on May 10, 2012, 08:57:48 AM
I wouldn't call that a "small paw wound". He was stabbed through the footpaw with a spear and then managed to rescue some captives while the spear head was still stuck in there before he passed out from blood loss and pain. That seems pretty tough to me!
If that is how it happened (and sense you went into so much detail I'm pretty certain it is) than that is no small potatoes... How would you like to run around saving captives with a spearhead in your foot! (Talking to the blademaster and anyone who thinks Axtel isn't tough)
Title: Re: Axtel Sturnclaw
Post by: Lily on May 14, 2012, 08:30:20 AM
I had the book right in front of me while I was writing the post, so that's my interpretation of what happened, yes. I'm not so sure he went to sleep on purpose; he had the young captives with him and I don't think he would have knowingly left them to fend for themselves in dangerous woodlands.
Title: Re: Axtel Sturnclaw
Post by: AbbotAlf0805 on July 14, 2012, 03:01:28 AM
He was a boss!
Title: Re: Axtel Sturnclaw
Post by: Dannflower Reguba on July 14, 2012, 03:51:34 AM
Don't you mean a beast?  ;D
Title: Re: Axtel Sturnclaw
Post by: W0NWILL on July 14, 2012, 03:53:39 AM
Wow. That deserves a facepalm:
(http://www.wallpapersforiphone.com/uploads/wallpapers/2012/03/26/474/thumb_big_iphone_6c53bde916684a795f26c0216388f201.jpg)

Anyway, back on topic, Axtel was awesome! Moles are way underrated!
Title: Re: Axtel Sturnclaw
Post by: Felldoh154 on July 14, 2012, 04:02:44 AM
I liked axtel. Its a pity he's the only warrior mole
Title: Re: Axtel Sturnclaw
Post by: W0NWILL on July 14, 2012, 04:04:14 AM
Aye
Title: Re: Axtel Sturnclaw
Post by: Vilu Daskar on July 14, 2012, 04:09:45 PM
No. :)
Title: Re: Axtel Sturnclaw
Post by: Felldoh154 on July 14, 2012, 04:49:43 PM
No?? You don't like axtel??
Title: Re: Axtel Sturnclaw
Post by: Captain Tammo on July 22, 2012, 11:20:24 PM
Lol ^^ face palm

But shouldn't it be facePAW  :o
Title: Re: Axtel Sturnclaw
Post by: W0NWILL on July 22, 2012, 11:25:00 PM
Wow. That deserves another facepalm.
(http://cdn.fd.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/facepalm-bear.jpg)

Anyway, Axtel is one of my favourite characters. There should be more warrior moles.
Title: Re: Axtel Sturnclaw
Post by: Redwallfan7 on July 23, 2012, 12:15:23 AM
WonWill, that picture is adorable :)
Title: Re: Axtel Sturnclaw
Post by: The Skarzs on November 19, 2014, 03:48:08 PM
Revival of ooooold topic.

Personally, Axtel Sturnclaw has to be my favorite character in the series. He's unique in so many ways! He's one of the very few creatures who aren't badgers to have the Bloodwrath, he is the only warrior mole, and he's the only warrior in the series who carries an epic hammer. ( ;D )
On the topic of a mole being an Abbot or Abbess, they would certainly be a most steady-headed and logical leader, with their inarguable 'mole logic'. However, they are mostly portrayed as being rather simple; not necessarily a trait that might be wanted in a head of the abbey. In addition to their supposed simpleness, the fact that they have their own dialect might make it difficult for them to lead with much efficiency. I think the best place for a mole (closest to being abbot/abbess) would be as an advisor.
Title: Re: Axtel Sturnclaw
Post by: Dannflower Reguba on November 20, 2014, 04:16:49 AM
       Speaking of his epic hammer, I designed one awhile back when I was actually using my Weapon Art topic. Here's his hammer under the design influence of Blaggut, as he was the one that requested it.

Axtel's Hammer
(http://i39.tinypic.com/1zn4ahl.jpg)
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       I second (or whatever it by now) warrior mole awesomeness.
Title: Re: Axtel Sturnclaw
Post by: Søren on November 20, 2014, 05:28:13 AM
Quote from: Nightfire on September 15, 2011, 05:20:10 PM
Okay, so out of all of the Redwall characters, Axtel Sturnclaw has always intrigued me the most. He is the first and only Warrior Mole to ever appear in the series, as well as the first and only mole who has ever been possessed of the Bloodwrath. Any thoughts or comments? I particularly loved his war hammer. Here he is, just so you know what he looks like:

(http://images.wikia.com/redwall/images/6/65/AxtelSR.png)
Hehehe, that picture looks like you Skarz. ;)
And As Axtel was the awesomest mole in the history of moles.
Title: Re: Axtel Sturnclaw
Post by: The Skarzs on November 20, 2014, 04:22:51 PM
Awesomest more? ;D And LOL.

He's also one of the very few characters my brother really likes in the series.
Title: Re: Axtel Sturnclaw
Post by: Søren on November 20, 2014, 10:07:37 PM
Quote from: The Skarzs on November 20, 2014, 04:22:51 PM
Awesomest more? ;D And LOL.

He's also one of the very few characters my brother really likes in the series.
welcome to the land of AutoCorrect.
Title: Re: Axtel Sturnclaw
Post by: SilentSam on November 21, 2014, 12:48:26 AM
It's cool that he's a warrior.
Title: Re: Axtel Sturnclaw
Post by: Captain Tammo on November 21, 2014, 07:45:14 PM
The series never really had many warrior moles that were developed much. The most I can recall reading about is Dinny in Mossflower, but even then he wasn't as much a warrior as just an adventurer who used a weapon.

Axtel, in my opinion, is the closest we get to a main character that was a warrior mole. I wonder if Brian ever had plans to expand on this idea more in the future? Maybe he stayed away from it because some people couldn't understand the molespeech, and that would be a pretty big problem when you can't figure out what the main character is saying.
Title: Re: Axtel Sturnclaw
Post by: Dannflower Reguba on November 22, 2014, 03:36:56 AM
       Brian developed species-specific characteristics, Moles are passive by nature. Axtel is the single most atypical mole in the series (even than the couple that aren't bothered, or like water rides), possibly even the largest step outside of the norm (I don't think so, but he IS a contender). I would have loved to see this idea used more, but it stands to reason that it wouldn't be commonplace given how unusual this behavior is. I also doubt that he would limit characters just because of the way they talk, but it certainly can't be ruled out.
Title: Re: Axtel Sturnclaw
Post by: clunylooney on May 13, 2020, 07:07:22 PM
He's one of my favorite characters in the series and I'm not even done with The Sable Quean.
Title: Re: Axtel Sturnclaw
Post by: Sebias of Redwall on May 14, 2020, 07:40:21 PM
Quote from: Captain Tammo on November 21, 2014, 07:45:14 PM
Axtel, in my opinion, is the closest we get to a main character that was a warrior mole. I wonder if Brian ever had plans to expand on this idea more in the future? Maybe he stayed away from it because some people couldn't understand the molespeech, and that would be a pretty big problem when you can't figure out what the main character is saying.
I think this is the biggest issue with moles as main characters, in fics and the main books.
Title: Re: Axtel Sturnclaw
Post by: Booklover on May 14, 2020, 07:46:51 PM
Molespeak is a lot harder to write than it is to read.
Title: Re: Axtel Sturnclaw
Post by: Sebias of Redwall on May 14, 2020, 07:49:36 PM
Indeed. Though, there was one link that someone had given me that was super helpful. I think it was on the Redwall Survivor Forums.
Title: Re: Axtel Sturnclaw
Post by: clunylooney on May 15, 2020, 12:46:20 AM
Quote from: Sebias of Redwall on May 14, 2020, 07:49:36 PM
Indeed. Though, there was one link that someone had given me that was super helpful. I think it was on the Redwall Survivor Forums.
Wait, did you change your profile pic?
Title: Re: Axtel Sturnclaw
Post by: Wylder Treejumper on May 15, 2020, 04:45:07 AM
Indeed he did.


Quote from: Sebias of Redwall on May 14, 2020, 07:40:21 PM
Quote from: Captain Tammo on November 21, 2014, 07:45:14 PM
Axtel, in my opinion, is the closest we get to a main character that was a warrior mole. I wonder if Brian ever had plans to expand on this idea more in the future? Maybe he stayed away from it because some people couldn't understand the molespeech, and that would be a pretty big problem when you can't figure out what the main character is saying.
I think this is the biggest issue with moles as main characters, in fics and the main books.
Even if you know how molespeech sounds, and even if it is assumed that molespeech can be understood by the reading public, it is simply too difficult to write large amounts of dialogue in molespeech. It is not conducive to large volumes, which makes it almost impossible to write moles into the main character slot- not even because molespeech is necessarily to hard to understand, but because it is too labor-intensive to create.