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Title: Repeated Names?
Post by: BrookSkimmer on December 27, 2011, 04:39:26 PM
Are any other names besides Martin repeated?
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Post by: Mad Maudie on December 27, 2011, 08:58:01 PM
a couple Vermin names i remember were used like five times in different books
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Post by: Dotti on December 27, 2011, 11:35:19 PM
Trimp, the name used for the hedgehog in TLOL, was also used for a minor shrew in Pearls of Lutra.
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Post by: Melody on December 27, 2011, 11:51:33 PM
Matthias was a repeated name.
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Post by: Folgrimeo on December 28, 2011, 01:05:40 AM
Guess you could technically say Skipper's a repeated name. Several Skippers weren't given names beyond their title.
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Post by: Tiria Wildlough on December 28, 2011, 05:40:50 AM
There was Ruggan Bor and Ruggan Axehound. Repeated names annoy me. :-\
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Post by: Taggerung_of_Redwall on December 28, 2011, 06:28:43 AM
Ripfang and Ripfang, from Mossflower and Lord Brocktree, is an example of a repeated name. There's actually a lot of discussion about them possibly being the same character, but Jacques affirmed it as coincidence.
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Post by: Skipper on December 29, 2011, 06:05:33 PM
Quote from: Taggerung_of_Redwall on December 28, 2011, 06:28:43 AM
Ripfang and Ripfang, from Mossflower and Lord Brocktree, is an example of a repeated name. There's actually a lot of discussion about them possibly being the same character, but Jacques affirmed it as coincidence.
ive always wondered if they were the same character, apart from characters already mentioned i cant think of any more
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Post by: Tiria Wildlough on December 30, 2011, 05:43:38 AM
Quote from: Taggerung_of_Redwall on December 28, 2011, 06:28:43 AM
Ripfang and Ripfang, from Mossflower and Lord Brocktree, is an example of a repeated name. There's actually a lot of discussion about them possibly being the same character, but Jacques affirmed it as coincidence.
It can't be a coincidence, because they both had that kind of curving fang. ???
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Post by: ravenwyte on April 24, 2012, 12:35:29 AM
Well, sometimes the names are repeated on purpose, for example, the Russano in The Long Patrol is the same Russano in Lord Brocktree. The chronological order of the books is not the same order they were written. Hope that helps.  :)
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Post by: Ceteruler on April 24, 2012, 12:44:47 AM
Ripfang is the same guy as Ripfang in both books! Lord Boar the Fighter said that Ripfang had been in the mountain before.
or maybe that's just what it seems like.
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Post by: Bragoon on April 24, 2012, 03:13:53 AM
There was Abbot Glisam and Friar Glisum, pronounced the same way in the audiobooks. 
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Post by: WildDoogyPlumm on April 24, 2012, 07:46:47 PM
There were 2 Bucklers: a mole from MTW and Buck Kordyne.
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Post by: redwallgurl on April 24, 2012, 09:50:40 PM
I think armel was
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Post by: Redwallfan7 on April 24, 2012, 11:51:40 PM
bane was
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Post by: Ceteruler on April 25, 2012, 01:28:16 AM
Quote from: Bragoon on April 24, 2012, 03:13:53 AM
There was Abbot Glisam and Friar Glisum, pronounced the same way in the audiobooks. 
YES! I only had Eulalia! in audiobook for the longest time and I always that it was the same!
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Post by: Skipper on April 25, 2012, 07:11:52 AM
Quote from: ravenwyte on April 24, 2012, 12:35:29 AM
Well, sometimes the names are repeated on purpose, for example, the Russano in The Long Patrol is the same Russano in Lord Brocktree. The chronological order of the books is not the same order they were written. Hope that helps.  :)

Yes but they ae the same character
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Post by: Tiria Wildlough on April 25, 2012, 09:37:14 AM
There are two Ripfangs.
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Post by: MatthiasMan on April 27, 2012, 12:42:20 AM
Martin is repeated.  :P ;D :P
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Post by: Tiria Wildlough on April 27, 2012, 01:12:51 PM
Yeah, but that's on purpose.
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Post by: Osu on April 29, 2012, 07:43:11 AM
I am almost positive Urfa is a repeat, but I can't seem to recall which books it appeared in apart from The Sable Quean.

@Tiria - Nice catch on Ruggan Bor and Ruggan Axehound, I missed that one!
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Post by: Tiria Wildlough on April 30, 2012, 07:14:57 AM
There's also Log a log Urfa from High Rhulain.
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Post by: WildDoogyPlumm on May 13, 2012, 06:47:27 PM
I think Trey was repeated.
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Post by: White One6193 on May 14, 2012, 01:31:23 AM
A lot of vermin names were the same in the books. I think there were at least five different Louseworts; Three were weasels, one was a searat, and the other a ferret.
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Post by: redwallgurl on May 21, 2012, 08:32:38 PM
there was a Milda in Triss(minor)
and a Milda in the Sable Quean.
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Post by: Flandor on May 23, 2012, 04:34:34 AM
I think it was Midda in Sable Queen; she was a shrew.

In Mossflower, when Martin is listing his old friends from the north, he mentions a 'Thrugg the Strong.' There's also the more famous Thrugg the otter in Salamandastron. 

Martin also mentions Felldoh the Wrestler which I thought was neat.
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Post by: redwallgurl on May 23, 2012, 08:56:58 PM
^that was because he wanted to hide his past it says in martin the warrior
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Post by: Bragoon on May 23, 2012, 09:53:38 PM
I think that was more of a cover.  He was named Felldoh the Wrestler in Mossflower, but it appears he wanted Felldoh to play a different role in Martin the Warrior.  It works, but it feels a little awkward. 
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Post by: Tam and Martin on September 17, 2012, 10:43:58 PM
I found alot of them. Here they are:

1. Ripfang who was a searat captain in book 2, Mossflower (chapter 41). There was also a Ripfang in book 13, Lord Brocktree who became an officer to Ungatt Trunn (chapter 19).

2. Urthclaw is a badger and is the grandfather of Urthstripe the Strong in book 5, Salamndastron (chapter 40). Urthclaw, who is a mole, helps the Stickels escape in book 2, Mossflower (chapter 1).

3. As Dorathea Duckfontein Dillworthy said there was a minor shrew named Trimp in book 9,The Pearls of Lutra, who helps Grath repair her boat (chapter 25)and there was Trimp the hedgehog maid in book 12, The Legend of Luke (pretty much everywhere).

4. Blowfly is a minor rat mentioned in book 9, The Pearls of Lutra, who Barranca is speaking to (chapter 3). Blowfly is also the name of one of Raga Bol's captains in book 9, The Pearls of Lutra (chapter 32).

5. Hortwill Longblade Braebuck, or Horty as he is know, is another repeat. he is a hare who is mentioned in book 16, Loamhedge ( in almost every other chapter). Hortwingle, a short-eared owl also known as Horty, is the Husband of Boldred in book 6, Martin the Warrior, (chapter 29).

6. The last Person is a cook of the Long Patrol: Corporal Butty Woppscut. he is in book 17, Rakkety Tam, (mostly chapter 31). Butty is also the name of a squirrel cook in book 10, The Long Patrol, although he doesn't become the cook until the middle of the book (chapter 26).

                                            Well that's it
                                                          Enjoy   :)
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Post by: Tam and Martin on September 21, 2012, 05:51:28 PM
I also just found another. There are two Walts. Wandering Walt the mole in Rakkety Tam and theres also a minor Walt in Redwall who is talking about his grandmother and fortresses.
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Post by: Tam and Martin on December 14, 2012, 07:00:41 PM
Sorry for triple posting but here's another. Log-a-Log Urfa from High Rhulain and Urfa Buckler's brother's (Clerun) son .
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Post by: Kitsune on December 15, 2012, 07:36:07 PM
I don't remeber any... sorry!
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Post by: Tam and Martin on December 18, 2012, 07:16:24 PM
Quote from: WildDoogyPlumm on May 13, 2012, 06:47:27 PM
I think Trey was repeated.
You're right. Trey the Mousebabe in Taggerung and Trey the sister of the hare in The Rogue Crew.
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Post by: Tam and Martin on December 28, 2012, 11:28:05 PM
Just one more...

Thrugg the otter in Salamandastron and Martin the Warrior mentions a friend of his who is named Thrugg in Mossflower.
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Post by: 321tumbler on December 31, 2012, 10:32:45 PM
I can't believe there were so many repeats.
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Post by: Gonff the Mousethief on December 16, 2013, 12:45:45 AM
lots of reapeats names are often minor characters so he might have forgotton
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Post by: Ungatt Trunn on December 16, 2013, 07:46:03 PM
Repeated names actually gives the Redwall series some "accuracy". It isn't unreasonable to assume that two creatures were given the same name at different times in the Redwall history, isn't it?
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Post by: The Shade on December 16, 2013, 08:35:17 PM
Yep, if anything I think it makes it more realistic. Why not?
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Post by: Starla1431 on December 17, 2013, 06:38:10 PM
I have no problem with repeated names  :).
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Post by: doogy plum on December 19, 2013, 03:25:14 AM
Quote from: Melody on December 27, 2011, 11:51:33 PM
Matthias was a repeated name.

WHAT?
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Post by: LordTBT on December 19, 2013, 03:51:35 AM
We have a list here:
http://redwall.wikia.com/wiki/About#Inconsistencies_.26_Coincidences
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Post by: Ungatt Trunn on December 19, 2013, 09:10:08 PM
Quote from: LordTBT on December 19, 2013, 03:51:35 AM
We have a list here:
http://redwall.wikia.com/wiki/About#Inconsistencies_.26_Coincidences
Interesting list...
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Post by: General Ironbeak on December 24, 2013, 12:18:09 AM
No one has mentioned that there are 2 Shorebucks---in back to back books!  :o
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Post by: Ungatt Trunn on December 24, 2013, 12:18:46 AM
Quote from: General Ironbeak on December 24, 2013, 12:18:09 AM
No one has mentioned that there are 2 Shorebucks---in back to back books!  :o
But what if it was the same character?
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Post by: General Ironbeak on December 24, 2013, 01:00:11 AM
I asked this on the wiki, and they clarified it wasn't.
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Post by: Ungatt Trunn on December 24, 2013, 07:11:28 PM
Oh, alright.
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Post by: Mariel on December 26, 2013, 10:50:41 PM
I don't know if this was mentioned before,but the name Viola was used twice. The first was in Matthias she was the extremely annoying bankvole,older sister of baby Rollo. The second time was in Pearls of Lutra, when Rollo was an old vole, there is another Viola (who cannot be Rollo's older sister,she is much younger than him).
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Post by: Jukka the Sling on December 26, 2013, 11:38:05 PM
Quote from: Mariel on December 26, 2013, 10:50:41 PM
I don't know if this was mentioned before,but the name Viola was used twice. The first was in Matthias she was the extremely annoying bankvole,older sister of baby Rollo. The second time was in Pearls of Lutra, when Rollo was an old vole, there is another Viola (who cannot be Rollo's older sister,she is much younger than him).
Um, I think Rollo's older sister was named Cynthia, not Viola. :)
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Post by: Unimaginative on December 29, 2013, 07:48:02 PM
Scratch was a vermin name you could find every other book.
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Post by: LordTBT on December 29, 2013, 10:07:28 PM
Quote from: HanNorwood on December 29, 2013, 07:48:02 PM
Scratch was a vermin name you could find every other book.

Actually there are only 2.
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Post by: Ungatt Trunn on December 30, 2013, 08:58:32 PM
Quote from: Jukka the Sling on December 26, 2013, 11:38:05 PM
Quote from: Mariel on December 26, 2013, 10:50:41 PM
I don't know if this was mentioned before,but the name Viola was used twice. The first was in Matthias she was the extremely annoying bankvole,older sister of baby Rollo. The second time was in Pearls of Lutra, when Rollo was an old vole, there is another Viola (who cannot be Rollo's older sister,she is much younger than him).
Um, I think Rollo's older sister was named Cynthia, not Viola. :)
'Tis true.
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Post by: Cornflower MM on April 14, 2014, 05:17:53 AM
Quote from: Taggerung_of_Redwall on December 28, 2011, 06:28:43 AM
Ripfang and Ripfang, from Mossflower and Lord Brocktree, is an example of a repeated name. There's actually a lot of discussion about them possibly being the same character, but Jacques affirmed it as coincidence.

Coincidence. Are y sure he wasn't just pulling the leg of whoever asked?
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Post by: The Skarzs on April 14, 2014, 05:21:20 AM
It had to be coincidence; the same Ripfang would have died of old age. :P
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Post by: Cornflower MM on April 14, 2014, 07:01:19 AM
Hmm....Didn't think about that before. But I still stick with my thinking that it's not.
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Post by: Shadowed One on April 14, 2014, 01:54:44 PM
Quote from: Ceteruler on April 24, 2012, 12:44:47 AM
Ripfang is the same guy as Ripfang in both books! Lord Boar the Fighter said that Ripfang had been in the mountain before.
or maybe that's just what it seems like.
Jacques said it was coincidence, so if that is what he said , then it is coincidence.
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Post by: Lady Amber on April 18, 2014, 01:10:04 AM
Weren't there two hedgehogs in the series named Pozy? One in the book Mossflower and one in the book The Rogue Crew.
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Post by: Tam and Martin on April 18, 2014, 03:05:34 AM
Pretty sure there was. Posy Cogg's, Ferdy's, and Spike's sister and then there was Posy Uggo's.........friend........
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Post by: Shadefur nightblade on April 22, 2014, 12:26:51 PM
Maybe Redwall names are the same as regular names, and some are more popular than others.
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Post by: Russa Nodrey on April 23, 2014, 04:01:20 PM
I'm pretty sure there's a repeated name in The Bellmaker, can't remember what it was though.
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Post by: Lady Amber on May 29, 2014, 12:01:31 AM
There were two Ruggans, also. One in The Rogue Crew named Ruggan Axehound who was an otter, and one in Taggerung named Ruggan Bor, who was a fox.
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Post by: Gonff the Mousethief on May 29, 2014, 04:14:36 AM
Did Posy die? I don't remember ferdy and cogs having a sis
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Post by: Lady Amber on May 29, 2014, 11:03:47 PM
No, they did have a sister, and she didn't die.
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Post by: Jewel Thief on June 11, 2014, 07:33:30 AM
The name Badtooth was repeated, once as a stoat captain and once as a weasel cook.
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Post by: Vilu Daskar on June 12, 2014, 01:46:54 PM
There was Saltir the searat captain and Saltear the the vermin in Vizka's crew.
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Post by: clunylooney on May 16, 2020, 08:13:09 PM
Quote from: Vilu Daskar on June 12, 2014, 01:46:54 PM
There was Saltir the searat captain and Saltear the the vermin in Vizka's crew.

It was actually Saltar, not Saltir. And Saltar and Saltear are definitely different.
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Post by: Lucifer656 on May 27, 2020, 07:15:29 AM
Scratch was a vermin name you could find every other book.
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Post by: clunylooney on May 27, 2020, 02:48:16 PM
Quote from: Lucifer656 on May 27, 2020, 07:15:29 AM
Scratch was a vermin name you could find every other book.
Actually, there are only two redwall characters named scratch in the entire series. One from Redwall snd one from Mossflower. So your wrong about there being a vermin named scratch in every other book.