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Brian Jacques' Works (Spoilers) => History, Legends and Myths => Topic started by: BadgerLordFiredrake on January 14, 2012, 03:04:13 PM

Title: Martin to Matthias
Post by: BadgerLordFiredrake on January 14, 2012, 03:04:13 PM
I'm pretty sure that Matthias is related to Martin directly.  Who are the missing generations?
Title: Re: Martin to Matthias
Post by: Skipper on January 14, 2012, 03:15:18 PM
well matthias did have a sister but she died, martin had no children, i dont think they were related anyway, matthias was born a hero and he is is like martin -his role model-
Title: Re: Martin to Matthias
Post by: Bragoon on January 14, 2012, 04:31:12 PM
Like Skipper said, they can't be, since Martin had no children, and Luke only had one child. 

It just seems to be another case of Martin's spirit intervening to help a beast realize their true potential as a warrior. 
Title: Re: Martin to Matthias
Post by: Melody on January 14, 2012, 08:32:56 PM
But he could be indirectly related what if Luke had another sibling or something?
But I do agree Matthias and Martin are not Related by blood but by spirit.
Title: Re: Martin to Matthias
Post by: Tiria Wildlough on January 15, 2012, 05:17:09 AM
Quote from: Skipper on January 14, 2012, 03:15:18 PM
well matthias did have a sister but she died...
That was only in the cartoon, if I remember correctly.
Title: Re: Martin to Matthias
Post by: Skipper on January 15, 2012, 02:01:29 PM
you're probably right, i haven't read 'redwall' in abit
Title: Re: Martin to Matthias
Post by: BadgerLordFiredrake on January 15, 2012, 02:39:42 PM
On the wiki's family trees it said that...
Title: Re: Martin to Matthias
Post by: Bragoon on January 16, 2012, 02:42:27 AM
I only see the books as canon, so for all I know Matthias could have had ten sisters like Jube, since they found him when he was a baby. 
Title: Re: Martin to Matthias
Post by: BadgerLordFiredrake on January 16, 2012, 03:20:13 PM
You have a point.
Title: Re: Martin to Matthias
Post by: Melody on January 16, 2012, 03:52:29 PM
the truth is we will never know. 8)
Title: Re: Martin to Matthias
Post by: BadgerLordFiredrake on January 29, 2012, 01:08:24 AM
Too true.
Title: Re: Martin to Matthias
Post by: Nightfire on February 03, 2012, 01:45:06 AM
I think that Redwall makes it clear that Matthias is a random mouse. If you look at mice in real life, then aside from fur color, then they all look identical, unless one had a scar or deformity. Matthias just looked similar to Martin, he wasn't identical. And I think Redwall also makes it very clear that Martin's spirit inhabited Matthias at the Battle of the Late Rose, then he left and Matthias acted like himself again. Every now and then, Matthias was inhabited by Martin's spirit.
Title: Re: Martin to Matthias
Post by: Lutra on February 04, 2012, 02:20:09 PM
Mice generally look like...mice, not much different.  Same was said of Watership Down...basically its a group of rabbits that look a whole lot alike.  Its probably no surprise Matthias looks like Martin, but as far as the book is concerned, Matthias was an orphan and taken in by the abbey.  I can't see a relative of Martin not living at Redwall during its construction.
Title: Re: Martin to Matthias
Post by: redwallgurl on March 22, 2012, 07:23:36 PM
id ont remember them saying that martin had a wife so i dont thin kthat they could be related. as they say in other books though martin the warriors spirit is how they can be connected right?
Title: Re: Martin to Matthias
Post by: Dannflower Reguba on March 22, 2012, 07:43:17 PM
Rose was killed and she was the only creature with any suggestions for a relationship to occur.
Title: Re: Martin to Matthias
Post by: Bragoon on March 22, 2012, 09:32:47 PM
Yes, he's visited many warriors over the years.  And some not-so-warrior-like creatures too.
Title: Re: Martin to Matthias
Post by: MatthiasMan on April 14, 2012, 11:01:21 PM
Who was Luke's father and why doesn't Luke have a M name like all the rest?
Title: Re: Martin to Matthias
Post by: Bragoon on April 15, 2012, 12:20:10 AM
Luke's father was either named Martin and defended Mossflower against Verdauga Greeneyes' initial conquest, or he was an unnamed mouse and the first Martin was his grandfather.

As for the 'M' name, he already had lots, why not mix it up a little?
Title: Re: Martin to Matthias
Post by: Søren on April 15, 2012, 01:26:43 AM
The full history and family tree of Martin the Warrior, Martin the Elder Warrior and Luke the Warrior can be found here. http://redwall.wikia.com/wiki/Family_Trees (http://redwall.wikia.com/wiki/Family_Trees) But you probutly already knew that. And there could be related by Martin the Elder Warrior having siblings, or something like that.
Title: Re: Martin to Matthias
Post by: MatthiasMan on April 15, 2012, 03:27:07 AM
Cool website.
Title: Re: Martin to Matthias
Post by: Vilu Daskar on July 13, 2012, 10:52:38 PM
He is by spirit.
Title: Re: Martin to Matthias
Post by: Felldoh154 on July 14, 2012, 12:43:39 AM
Matthias wasn't the only wielder of the sword, rakkety tam wielded it and had the same kind of reaction and he's a squirrel
Title: Re: Martin to Matthias
Post by: Redwallfan7 on July 15, 2012, 07:55:59 PM
Triss also wielded the sword.
Title: Re: Martin to Matthias
Post by: Felldoh154 on July 16, 2012, 01:02:59 PM
And they definetly weren't descended from Martin :) so its his spirit that does it, no blood relation
Title: Re: Martin to Matthias
Post by: Gonff the Mousethief on December 22, 2013, 02:19:25 AM
ya very many people wielded the sword
Title: Re: Martin to Matthias
Post by: i am that is (Matthias) on January 02, 2014, 01:47:52 AM
I don't think so...at least probably not genetically.
Title: Re: Martin to Matthias
Post by: Gonff the Mousethief on January 07, 2014, 02:38:24 AM
What about dandin? he was a descendent from gonff and he weileded the sword. Martin told simeonwhere to find it and give it to dandin? maybe him and mariel had a son, but than went adventuring like his parents. he must have been a long time because the people who dropped of Matthias where probably gonfsf descendants, not martins
Title: Re: Martin to Matthias
Post by: Kitsune on January 08, 2014, 06:10:37 PM
It's not possible for Martin to be Matthias' ancestor because in one of the Redwall books (I don't remember which one), one of the scribes or some other learned character said that Martin did not have any children.