OK, here's a question I've been wondering for some time and would like to get an opinion from the community on, what is beyond the map? For example, what is east of Mossflower Woods, or farther south of the Toad Lands and Castle Floret, or if you just kept sailing west? I don't remember any description of obscure or strange lands beyond, but perhaps someone knows of some brief mention or reference in one of the books. If so, please let me know and I'll look it up. I just can't remember myself.
If you don't know, feel free to speculate. For example, I think there's a great desert to the east, and perhaps a very large, but isolated island to the west and south, with strange creatures. But then, my imagination get a little carried away. :D
I think one of the books has a map showing another coastline on the East, and at least one other book has a small island to the West (and a second island I think is mentioned in another book).
yes, the ones I can recall are Sampetra (with Ublaz in the Pearls of Lutra, and Terramort - Mariel of Redwall). I also recall some mention of Bowfleg's camp in Outcasts, that is somewhere to the east, but I think the details were a little sketchy.
There is also Green Isle, from High Rhulain.
The map in the Legend of Luke shows the "Caves of Luke's Tribe" near the top on the west coast. The map in Martin the Warrior shows the same caves at the bottom of the map and in the north-east it shows the "Marshank" and the "Eastern Sea" coastline.
This fan-made map shows almost all of the known Mossflower region - it's just missing a few locations and the "Green Isle" (click on the map for a bigger version).
(http://rwmuck.limitless.org/rwmuck/sites/default/files/media/redwall-map.jpg) (http://rwmuck.limitless.org/rwmuck/sites/default/files/media/redwall-map.jpg)
The official map shows the same thing (click on the map for a bigger version).
(http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080701084534/redwall/images/7/70/Redwallmapnorw.jpg) (http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080701084534/redwall/images/7/70/Redwallmapnorw.jpg)
Of course, neither of these is "beyond the map" though. :)
Ah've alvayz vondered aboot ze land zat Zkrabblag came from. He'z zuppozedly from the extreme zouth. Zince zere vaz vone, zere zhould be ozer'z, nay?
Well, Marshank was on the Eastern Coast.
If you kept going south of Southsward, I would imagina a land where only one type of creature lives like toads or lizards. I don't kno anything else that is true but that's what I imagine ;)
Thanks Buzz - those are great maps! I forgot all about Marshank and Loamhedge! We have a copy of the second map hanging on the wall, except in english. Its great, but not as much details as the first.
Green isle is another one, thanks.
I wonder if BJ ever got around to writing about the lands far to the north he would make it like a polar region with glaciers and wild snow beasts and such. Oh well, sounds like a good story for an RP or a fan fiction. :P
Read "The Northlander" on Fanfiction.net. it is an excellent piece of fanfiction about the northern lands.
In a lot of ways Mossflower region is similar to England (where of course the animals used in the stories all originate from) with the rough north country (Scotland), rough coast to the east, and the "Green Isle" to the west (Ireland) ... but there are differences, the main one being the Salamandastron volcano.
Who knows what lies beyond the Redwall Map? Prehaps theres another place like Redwall Abbey, were the forces of good and evil will conflict , but good will always triumph.
Quote from: Buzz_Bumble on June 02, 2013, 01:35:05 AM
In a lot of ways Mossflower region is similar to England (where of course the animals used in the stories all originate from) with the rough north country (Scotland), rough coast to the east, and the "Green Isle" to the west (Ireland)
I think that too! And in IMO, I think of Southsward as Spain, but that's just me. And the land to the far, far South where Skrabblag was from might be like Morroco
An' yet, it at ze zame time iznae!
Quote from: Buzz_Bumble on June 02, 2013, 01:35:05 AM
In a lot of ways Mossflower region is similar to England (where of course the animals used in the stories all originate from) with the rough north country (Scotland), rough coast to the east, and the "Green Isle" to the west (Ireland) ... but there are differences, the main one being the Salamandastron volcano.
And the land of ice and snow would be Greenland or Iceland??
Quote from: Captain Tammo on June 04, 2013, 08:05:52 PM
Quote from: Buzz_Bumble on June 02, 2013, 01:35:05 AM
In a lot of ways Mossflower region is similar to England (where of course the animals used in the stories all originate from) with the rough north country (Scotland), rough coast to the east, and the "Green Isle" to the west (Ireland) ... but there are differences, the main one being the Salamandastron volcano.
And the land of ice and snow would be Greenland or Iceland??
Probably...
Then would Sampetra be one of the islands in the Carribean?
It sounds like a Carribean Island. Tropical like
Possibly, or simply the Arctic ... although these days there's very little ice and snow in any of those countries during the summer months. :(
Theze dayz there'z very little ice an' znov at aw!
Quote from: Buzz_Bumble on June 05, 2013, 10:20:07 PM
Possibly, or simply the Arctic...
But it was tropical!
Non of the maps show the highlands.
This whole thread is interestingly enough and I had an epiphany since I figured it out tonight that Redwall basically takes place in Northern England. Using it as a scale we can get a pretty good idea about distances and also travel time. This would help us understand more spects of the book and, while there are some exceptions with regards Salamandastron and deserts, we might be able to find real world equivalents in England. It'd be interesting to get a sense of time and scale and apply it to the map :)
For example, we can correctly assume that Green Isle is Ireland, that one was obvious, but Terra Mort could simply be the Isle of Man, and we could use terrain maps to isolate large rivers and streams etc. another good real world example could be to find the Great Lake (as referred to in Salamandastron) could be Windemere.
Indeed. This is mostly the consensus that a lot of other members have come to. There is another topic where a lot of discussion was going on. Let me see if I can find it for you.
Here are a couple!
http://www.redwallabbey.com/forum/index.php?topic=10486.0
http://www.redwallabbey.com/forum/index.php?topic=4701.0
Hey thanks!
I know I've seen at least a few references in the books to an unseen tropical land that lies far across the western sea. I wouldn't be surprised if that's meant to be the Redwall world's equivalent of South America.
There are also references to trading ships, which are probably how the Redwallers got access to a lot of the food they eat that isn't native to Britain in real life (like arrowroot, maize, and tomatoes, all of which come from the Americas). There's also the story of the Coin from The Sable Quean (which was nailed to the mast of a wrecked ship, inscribed with markings that Lord Brang couldn't read, and which is described as being "from someplace far beyond the sunset"), hinting at populated lands far across the sea.
Quote from: Hazelrah42 on March 25, 2018, 09:05:39 AM
This whole thread is interestingly enough and I had an epiphany since I figured it out tonight that Redwall basically takes place in Northern England. Using it as a scale we can get a pretty good idea about distances and also travel time. This would help us understand more spects of the book and, while there are some exceptions with regards Salamandastron and deserts, we might be able to find real world equivalents in England. It'd be interesting to get a sense of time and scale and apply it to the map :)
There actually is a volcano in the UK. An extinct one. Though it's certainly not on the western coast. It's in Edinburgh.
Cool.
Quote from: Jetthebinturong on March 26, 2018, 04:33:24 AM
There actually is a volcano in the UK. An extinct one. Though it's certainly not on the western coast. It's in Edinburgh.
Which would fit with salamandastron being an extinct volcano, though it is lacking the proper positioning.