What if Veil had lived?

[The Shade]

I think that he might have gone back to the Abbey, with Bryony's persuasion, and they would tell the Abbeybeasts how he saved Bryony and maybe they would let him stay there again. Or maybe he wouldn't listen to Bryony and run into the forest and possibly live a peaceful life on his own.

Better on his own I say...

[HeadInAnotherGalaxy]

Av alone....

[Ungatt Trunn]

I think that, even though he risked his life for others, he was evil deep inside. Only more bad would come from him.

[Tam and Martin]

I think that, even though he risked his life for others, he was evil deep inside. Only more bad would come from him.

I agree partly with you there. The reason I thin he had the change of heart at the end of the book is that he did like Bryony he just didn't know it until she was threatened to be killed.

[Ungatt Trunn]

I think that, even though he risked his life for others, he was evil deep inside. Only more bad would come from him.

I agree partly with you there. The reason I thin he had the change of heart at the end of the book is that he did like Bryony he just didn't know it until she was threatened to be killed.

Right.

[Tam and Martin]

I think that, even though he risked his life for others, he was evil deep inside. Only more bad would come from him.

I agree partly with you there. The reason I thin he had the change of heart at the end of the book is that he did like Bryony he just didn't know it until she was threatened to be killed.

Right.

[Ungatt Trunn]

So, does anybody else have an idea?

[Lutra]

Bump....if Veil had survived, I suspect if he ever returned to the Abbey, it would've thrown a wrench into their understanding of life.  Let's consider that the Abbeybeasts know certain species are "good" and others are "bad".  There's very little in-between or else they are given mental ailments such as the crazy squirrel Madd in Taggerrung.  If Veil were to return with Bryrony, then I suspect the whole place would've been either subdued or angry simply because they wouldn't understand how a ferret could be "good".  Given this, I don't see Veil ever returning; Bryrony would have survived and could've returned to tell the tale, and she'd know that Veil was indeed good, even if no other person believed it.

[Ungatt Trunn]

Bump....if Veil had survived, I suspect if he ever returned to the Abbey, it would've thrown a wrench into their understanding of life.  Let's consider that the Abbeybeasts know certain species are "good" and others are "bad".  There's very little in-between or else they are given mental ailments such as the crazy squirrel Madd in Taggerrung.  If Veil were to return with Bryrony, then I suspect the whole place would've been either subdued or angry simply because they wouldn't understand how a ferret could be "good".  Given this, I don't see Veil ever returning; Bryrony would have survived and could've returned to tell the tale, and she'd know that Veil was indeed good, even if no other person believed it.

Intresting idea...you should see my really long post in the "Bryony's Conclusions" topic; I proposed a rather intresting idea on Veil and why he was "bad"...

[redwallgurl]

If Veil had lived he would continue to be classified as a "bad" beast. The creatures of Mossflower and beyond already know and have learned that all these species are already "bad" and would probably kill Veil on site. I'm pretty sure Veil wouldn't return to Redwall due to all the gossiping beasts who are too hard headed to open their minds. So after he left and isn't accepted in any other "good" species family he'd probably just listen to those stereotypes and become the true "bad" in him.

[Rusvul]

Veil was bad. Not evil, but not good at all. He never would have been Abbey Warrior. He saved Bryony he did have some love for her after all. That's the only reason he would save her. I wonder if he was partly depressed and suicidal as well? Probably not.

[Ungatt Trunn]

You should all read my post in the "Bryony's Conclusions" topic in the Character Discussions board. I have proposed a rather intresting theory there on the whole matter of Veil being good or not and the affect of the creatures around him at Redwall.

[The Shade]

Veil was bad. Not evil, but not good at all. He never would have been Abbey Warrior.

That pretty much sums up everything.

[Ungatt Trunn]

Veil was bad. Not evil, but not good at all. He never would have been Abbey Warrior.

That pretty much sums up everything.

Veil could NEVER become the Abbey warrior.

[Tam and Martin]

Veil was bad. Not evil, but not good at all. He never would have been Abbey Warrior.

That pretty much sums up everything.

Veil could NEVER become the Abbey warrior.

Well, I wouldn't go that far with it....