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Brian Jacques' Works (Spoilers) => History, Legends and Myths => Topic started by: BadgerLordFiredrake on July 14, 2013, 11:41:43 PM

Title: Otter Clans throughout the books
Post by: BadgerLordFiredrake on July 14, 2013, 11:41:43 PM
In High Rhulain, I noticed that there were Galedeeps, Wavedogs, and Streambattles.  There were other otters with this surname in other books (Finnbarr, Kroova, and Rab, respectably).  Does this mean that the otters have extensive family trees across time and space?
Title: Re: Otter Clans throughout the books
Post by: Lutra on July 15, 2013, 02:07:35 AM
Could be so...I wouldn't put it past some connections.  However, there have been incidents when Mr. Jacques has mistakenly used the same name in different books.  It could be an accident for all we know. 
Title: Re: Otter Clans throughout the books
Post by: Osu on July 15, 2013, 02:10:58 AM
I like to think they're all one big family when this occurs. :) These could be large families with many branches that have traveled all over the place. I can see their descendants lasting through the entirety of the series, from Lord Brocktree straight through The Rogue Crew.

There's also the possibility characters take on surnames of their own without realizing/caring there's already a family (or ten) that have the same name. Wavedog, for example, just sounds really good when paired up with an otter, doesn't matter who. XD

Edit -- Lutra, you beat me. ;D *cough* ....what Lutra said, too. *nod*
Title: Re: Otter Clans throughout the books
Post by: BadgerLordFiredrake on July 15, 2013, 01:32:47 PM
Two mods post, but nobody else does.  :P

Could be either, but I like to agree with Osu.
Title: Re: Otter Clans throughout the books
Post by: The Shade on July 15, 2013, 03:33:14 PM
Osu, can you say which family name was in Lord Brocktreeand which one was in The Rogue Crew?? I believe you of course....
Title: Re: Otter Clans throughout the books
Post by: Osu on July 15, 2013, 04:19:37 PM
Oh, I never said as such. At least, I don't recall seeing names in both books; I was just making an example by naming the first and last books in chronological order. :)
Title: Re: Otter Clans throughout the books
Post by: Tam and Martin on July 15, 2013, 08:39:49 PM
I always thought that they would all meet up at the Hullabaloo (which is mentioned in the books.) Like if Kolun Galedeep was a ancestor of Finbarr Galedeep.
Title: Re: Otter Clans throughout the books
Post by: BadgerLordFiredrake on July 16, 2013, 01:14:45 AM
Or vice versa, don't know which came first.
Title: Re: Otter Clans throughout the books
Post by: Maudie on July 16, 2013, 01:18:41 AM
Finnbar came before Kolun.
Title: Re: Otter Clans throughout the books
Post by: BadgerLordFiredrake on July 16, 2013, 01:21:10 AM
Ok, good.  I hope I'm not traveling back in time.  :o

I still think that they're all related.
Title: Re: Otter Clans throughout the books
Post by: Romsca on July 16, 2013, 03:05:15 AM
Quote from: The Shade on July 15, 2013, 03:33:14 PM
Osu, can you say which family name was in Lord Brocktreeand which one was in The Rogue Crew?? I believe you of course....

The family name in The Rogue Crew was Axehound, as I recall
Title: Re: Otter Clans throughout the books
Post by: rachel25 on July 16, 2013, 02:47:38 PM
Yes it was
Title: Re: Otter Clans throughout the books
Post by: Shadowed One on July 16, 2013, 06:11:12 PM
I think they might be very distant relatives, but they are all from the same clan.
Title: Re: Otter Clans throughout the books
Post by: Redwaller on July 16, 2013, 10:07:53 PM
What if all sea otters originated from Green Isle, and then some member of the family decided to go travel, thus forming another group of otters?
Title: Re: Otter Clans throughout the books
Post by: Tam and Martin on July 16, 2013, 10:12:17 PM
That would be neat!
Title: Re: Otter Clans throughout the books
Post by: BadgerLordFiredrake on July 17, 2013, 02:30:21 AM
Wonder if the river otters also came from Green Isle.

What about Holt Ruddaring?
Title: Re: Otter Clans throughout the books
Post by: Lutra on July 17, 2013, 11:46:57 AM
"Wavedog" has been used as a nickname (e.g. "you ol' wavedog!") in the books.  It simply fits well.
Title: Re: Otter Clans throughout the books
Post by: rachel25 on October 27, 2013, 01:55:39 PM
Yeah but it does sound sea otterish, Wavedog. I do like to think that their all distantly related
Title: Re: Otter Clans throughout the books
Post by: The Shade on October 27, 2013, 10:11:12 PM
But how can they be related? If they all have different surnames? Are we saying that some otter left the original clan and decided to invent a new name for itself? And that happened a few times?
Title: Re: Otter Clans throughout the books
Post by: HeadInAnotherGalaxy on October 28, 2013, 09:16:35 PM
May'apz tiz zimilar tae ze auld Scottish/Irish/etc. clanz. Zere could 'ave been an original Gauyldeap, vhich zen, zrough generationz, branched off intae different verzionz o' ze name, like Galedeep, Galldeep, Gayeldaep, Gale, Deap, Deep, Gyldeap, Gyldeep, Gaildeap, Gaildeep, an' etc...
Title: Re: Otter Clans throughout the books
Post by: Tam and Martin on October 29, 2013, 12:32:41 PM
Quote from: HeadInAnotherGalaxy on October 28, 2013, 09:16:35 PM
May'apz tiz zimilar tae ze auld Scottish/Irish/etc. clanz. Zere could 'ave been an original Gauyldeap, vhich zen, zrough generationz, branched off intae different verzionz o' ze name, like Galedeep, Galldeep, Gayeldaep, Gale, Deap, Deep, Gyldeap, Gyldeep, Gaildeap, Gaildeep, an' etc...
That is a good explanation for that. They could have accidentally or purposefully changed their clan name.
Title: Re: Otter Clans throughout the books
Post by: Ungatt Trunn on November 02, 2013, 03:31:06 PM
Quote from: Redwaller on July 16, 2013, 10:07:53 PM
What if all sea otters originated from Green Isle, and then some member of the family decided to go travel, thus forming another group of otters?
That is a very plausable anwser, Redwaller. It did say in High Rhulain that otters lived on Green Isle for a very, very long time before the events in High Rhulain. Anything could have happened in that time.
Title: Re: Otter Clans throughout the books
Post by: The Shade on November 02, 2013, 09:33:01 PM
Quote from: Ungatt Trunn on November 02, 2013, 03:31:06 PM
Quote from: Redwaller on July 16, 2013, 10:07:53 PM
What if all sea otters originated from Green Isle, and then some member of the family decided to go travel, thus forming another group of otters?
That is a very plausable anwser, Redwaller. It did say in High Rhulain that otters lived on Green Isle for a very, very long time before the events in High Rhulain. Anything could have happened in that time.
That is probably most likely.
Title: Re: Otter Clans throughout the books
Post by: Gonff the Mousethief on December 16, 2013, 01:30:34 AM
I have never read the 11-22 books soo ya