We all know Redwall has been around for a really long time, but precisely how long? What are your thoughts? Does it say in any of the books?
Well, you need to answer your question per book. In redwall, i believe it is already very, very old. At least 500 years in my i
Magination, but im probably very off
Well............................ It just said the ancient sandstones so I would think it was older than 500.
Well, the books seem to be set in a kind of medieval time-frame, so probably quite old.
i dont think its older than 500. simply because animals dont live aslong as humans so you have to try imagining it from an animals veiw plus it was only fully built in the legend of luke
I hate to say this but the abbey was only half built in the legend of luke, they were still working on the main building, and they were still building it in mariel of redwall.
From the earliest mention of Redwall to the final story, we've probably only seen about a hundred years lapse of time (if that, even) given that animals--especially the mice--do not live very long lives. I think we had another topic somewhere where we had discussed how long a "season" is and we thought it was like our typical four seasons a year. 4 seasons = 1 year Even 20 seasons--many many for animals is really only 5 years--probably a good average for a lot of animals in the series to have survived, even to old age.
Brian once said on Redwall's 20th ann. that he had been writing for 40 seasons if this helps.
I dont want to think mathmaticly on our years because it just spoils it (as humans do) ;D but if I were a mouse or beast (which I am: winifred)I would like to think it at least according to beasts, Redwall is 500 years old!I dont like human terms to mess with redwall ;D unless it's when the're talking about,: if we (humans)could of fit in Redwall. It says somewhere in the wiki redwall website.I'm just that sort of person where human terms spoil the book in my ("paticular")brain, sorry say what you like! :D ;) ;D
There's no specific qoute from any of the books saying how old it is other than the classic "countless seasons" line. 500 years sounds somewhat right, I'd say enough to where there's very large gaps in many of the books that there are several seasons of peace. There's 22 books (I think). Sooooo I'd say about 250-500 years... Just seems like a fair number.
it says alot in the books one hundred years later or centuries ago or older than time so maybe like 1000 years but im not sure
actually it never says 100 years ago and i dont think it says century at all
Centuries! tops! that's how old it must be. it was built in a very old part of the woods and there have been countless generations of wood landers living there with much history inside as well.
In Doomwyte they say that Gonff is thousands of seasons dead and he lived during the building of Redwall. So even if that was about 2000 seasons ago, it would be at least 500 years, if not more.
Quote from: Melody on January 02, 2012, 12:10:08 AM
Brian once said on Redwall's 20th ann. that he had been writing for 40 seasons if this helps.
That unfortunately does not help, you see that was how long he was writing for not how old redwall is, and as i said earlier the most of the building was completed in the legend of Luke
i would say around 500 SEASONS
But Tam, Doogy just pointed out that it's at least more than a thousand seasons as of Doomwyte.
Well Redwall is still standing today actually. So it's about a long time.
Quote from: MatthiasMan on April 06, 2012, 10:33:25 PM
Well Redwall is still standing today actually.
How do you know that?
Quote from: Coobreedan on April 12, 2012, 08:29:56 PM
Quote from: MatthiasMan on April 06, 2012, 10:33:25 PM
Well Redwall is still standing today actually.
How do you know that?
I think because
The Rouge Crew was written recently.
No. Brian Jacques got the red walls from a building in his home town, so technically it's still standing. ;D
In response to your question. We know that Redwall was officially complete at the end of Mariel of Redwall with the addition of the Joseph bell. However, the construction of Redwall began early on, during the prime of Martin and Gonff. The building of Redwall, minus the Joseph Bell, is three generations old in Mariel of Redwall as Dandin claims that Gonff was, "the father of my father's father" or great grandson. However, there can be some dispute in this as Bryony from The Outcast of Redwall is also a great grandchild of Gonff. More than likely they are cousins of two of the Gonff lineage as we do not know how many children Gonff II or Gonff III had. After this the age of Redwall becomes somewhat difficult to track as we do not know how much time has expired between the books. We do know that Rufe Brush is mentioned in Salamandastron when the records are examined as to how Martin's sword fell from the sky. Abbot Saxtus is also mentioned by the infirmary keeper who remembers him from his dibbon days as "old Abbot Saxtus." So that is another generation gone by. Between Salamandastron and Redwall we do not know how much time has passed save for a great deal of time, at least long enough for relative peace to be achieved in Mossflower as compared to the events in the previous books. After Redwall the timeline is very easy to track as between Redwall and Pearls of Lutra there are three generations of the Matthias legacy. Now we are up to roughly 12-15 generations from the construction of the abbey or roughly 240-300 years (or seasons).
In The Long Patrol Arven has grown up and become Abbey Warrior. Then in Marlfox Abbess Tansy is dead and Abbess Song takes over. Finally, in Taggerung Abbess Song is dead and Abbess Mhera takes over. We can add four more generations to our total to bring it to 16-19 generations or roughly 320-380 years/seasons. Now we come to Triss. All we know about Triss is that Skippers ancestor was Deyna, the Taggerung. How long that might be is hard to tell so let us assume 4 generations have gone by since the events of Taggerung. After this we have the final books of the series: Loamhedge, Rakkety Tam, High Rhulain, Eulalia, Doomwyte, Sable Quean, and The Rouge Crew. None of these books has any similar characters through which we can track the age of Redwall, however, we do know that they occur in chronological order, so let us assume the span of time between each book to be two generations witht he events in a book to be a third giving us 21 total generations. Adding that number to our total gives us roughly 40 generations or about 800 years/seasons.
Allow me to remind critical readers that this is only an estimate based on the evidence given in the books to the best of my ability to understand it. The books only sometimes connect to one another so my number is merely a rough calculation, not an exact figure.
-Alder, Recorder of Redwall and Mossflower Country
Well done, That seems about right.
That is AWESOME I never thought about it that way
WOW! :o
Quote from: alderbowbeast on March 03, 2013, 07:44:18 AM
In response to your question. We know that Redwall was officially complete at the end of Mariel of Redwall with the addition of the Joseph bell. However, the construction of Redwall began early on, during the prime of Martin and Gonff. The building of Redwall, minus the Joseph Bell, is three generations old in Mariel of Redwall as Dandin claims that Gonff was, "the father of my father's father" or great grandson. However, there can be some dispute in this as Bryony from The Outcast of Redwall is also a great grandchild of Gonff. More than likely they are cousins of two of the Gonff lineage as we do not know how many children Gonff II or Gonff III had. After this the age of Redwall becomes somewhat difficult to track as we do not know how much time has expired between the books. We do know that Rufe Brush is mentioned in Salamandastron when the records are examined as to how Martin's sword fell from the sky. Abbot Saxtus is also mentioned by the infirmary keeper who remembers him from his dibbon days as "old Abbot Saxtus." So that is another generation gone by. Between Salamandastron and Redwall we do not know how much time has passed save for a great deal of time, at least long enough for relative peace to be achieved in Mossflower as compared to the events in the previous books. After Redwall the timeline is very easy to track as between Redwall and Pearls of Lutra there are three generations of the Matthias legacy. Now we are up to roughly 12-15 generations from the construction of the abbey or roughly 240-300 years (or seasons).
In The Long Patrol Arven has grown up and become Abbey Warrior. Then in Marlfox Abbess Tansy is dead and Abbess Song takes over. Finally, in Taggerung Abbess Song is dead and Abbess Mhera takes over. We can add four more generations to our total to bring it to 16-19 generations or roughly 320-380 years/seasons. Now we come to Triss. All we know about Triss is that Skippers ancestor was Deyna, the Taggerung. How long that might be is hard to tell so let us assume 4 generations have gone by since the events of Taggerung. After this we have the final books of the series: Loamhedge, Rakkety Tam, High Rhulain, Eulalia, Doomwyte, Sable Quean, and The Rouge Crew. None of these books has any similar characters through which we can track the age of Redwall, however, we do know that they occur in chronological order, so let us assume the span of time between each book to be two generations witht he events in a book to be a third giving us 21 total generations. Adding that number to our total gives us roughly 40 generations or about 800 years/seasons.
Allow me to remind critical readers that this is only an estimate based on the evidence given in the books to the best of my ability to understand it. The books only sometimes connect to one another so my number is merely a rough calculation, not an exact figure.
-Alder, Recorder of Redwall and Mossflower Country
Good logic and math!!!!!! I'm sticking with this caculation.
Quote from: alderbowbeast on March 03, 2013, 07:44:18 AM
In response to your question. We know that Redwall was officially complete at the end of Mariel of Redwall with the addition of the Joseph bell. However, the construction of Redwall began early on, during the prime of Martin and Gonff. The building of Redwall, minus the Joseph Bell, is three generations old in Mariel of Redwall as Dandin claims that Gonff was, "the father of my father's father" or great grandson. However, there can be some dispute in this as Bryony from The Outcast of Redwall is also a great grandchild of Gonff. More than likely they are cousins of two of the Gonff lineage as we do not know how many children Gonff II or Gonff III had. After this the age of Redwall becomes somewhat difficult to track as we do not know how much time has expired between the books. We do know that Rufe Brush is mentioned in Salamandastron when the records are examined as to how Martin's sword fell from the sky. Abbot Saxtus is also mentioned by the infirmary keeper who remembers him from his dibbon days as "old Abbot Saxtus." So that is another generation gone by. Between Salamandastron and Redwall we do not know how much time has passed save for a great deal of time, at least long enough for relative peace to be achieved in Mossflower as compared to the events in the previous books. After Redwall the timeline is very easy to track as between Redwall and Pearls of Lutra there are three generations of the Matthias legacy. Now we are up to roughly 12-15 generations from the construction of the abbey or roughly 240-300 years (or seasons).
In The Long Patrol Arven has grown up and become Abbey Warrior. Then in Marlfox Abbess Tansy is dead and Abbess Song takes over. Finally, in Taggerung Abbess Song is dead and Abbess Mhera takes over. We can add four more generations to our total to bring it to 16-19 generations or roughly 320-380 years/seasons. Now we come to Triss. All we know about Triss is that Skippers ancestor was Deyna, the Taggerung. How long that might be is hard to tell so let us assume 4 generations have gone by since the events of Taggerung. After this we have the final books of the series: Loamhedge, Rakkety Tam, High Rhulain, Eulalia, Doomwyte, Sable Quean, and The Rouge Crew. None of these books has any similar characters through which we can track the age of Redwall, however, we do know that they occur in chronological order, so let us assume the span of time between each book to be two generations witht he events in a book to be a third giving us 21 total generations. Adding that number to our total gives us roughly 40 generations or about 800 years/seasons.
Allow me to remind critical readers that this is only an estimate based on the evidence given in the books to the best of my ability to understand it. The books only sometimes connect to one another so my number is merely a rough calculation, not an exact figure.
-Alder, Recorder of Redwall and Mossflower Country
Wow :o! I never thought of it that way! You must be a math wiz!
P.S: My 250th post!
It might be about 300 seasons old but i think this topic is a bite hard to answer :-\