Greatest champion of Redwall, founding warrior, and wanderer of Mossflower. Martin the Warrior had a fascinating history in his family. You find his father gaining him as a son at Saint Ninian's, and the two eventually ending up on their own fair share of adventurers. They are separated, and are not given the chance to reconnect as living beasts. Either his father or grandfather, Martin the Elder was an ancestor of Luke the Warrior. He first wielded the sword of Martin. He started a legacy which would found and be responsible for the entire course of Redwall Abbey and the amazing journey it took through the history of the series, through the series of Redwall.
That was a fantastic paragraph, but what exactly is this topic about? What are supposed to be talking about I mean?
This is a discussion board.
As such, Martin's family will be discussed, as the topics at hand are in the rest of the board.
Ok, let's get started then! Why do you think it's only Martin that appears in the dreams in the books and not any of the other famous redwall warriors?
I think it has to do with him being the main champion. In a way, he choose all the Redwall warriors who came after him to defend the Abbey.
Is Martin's spirit like a physical thing that lives at Redwall, or do people just have dreams about him and that is how his spirit lives on? This question has been bugging me for so long!
I think that there is a place of sunny fields and quiet forests were the spirit of the warriors and the good live once they have left. It is called the Dark forest. At times when warriors the most help Martin comes in a dream to guide them
@DanielofRedwall: I'd say Martin guides Redwall. That's all the series suggests, so that's the way it ought to be taken.
Quote from: Galedeep on July 03, 2011, 06:14:56 AM
Ok, let's get started then! Why do you think it's only Martin that appears in the dreams in the books and not any of the other famous redwall warriors?
SPOILER ALERT!!!Ok, correct me if I'm wrong...it has been awhile since I've read these specific books...but I think in the Long Patrol most, if not all, the past Redwall warriors (Mariel's included...I know that much!) show up in young Russano's dream to show him who lives and who dies in the battle to come. And in Triss, Trisscar's father showed up with Martin to deliver her a message. I'm almost completely certain others show up as well, but I can't remember who or when. My guess is that Martin shows up most often because he is THE Protector of Redwall.
Does this make any sense? I really shouldn't try to explain things at midnight. :P
Quote from: Icefire on July 04, 2011, 08:42:25 AM
Quote from: Galedeep on July 03, 2011, 06:14:56 AM
Ok, let's get started then! Why do you think it's only Martin that appears in the dreams in the books and not any of the other famous redwall warriors?
SPOILER ALERT!!!
Ok, correct me if I'm wrong...it has been awhile since I've read these specific books...but I think in the Long Patrol most, if not all, the past Redwall warriors (Mariel's included...I know that much!) show up in young Russano's dream to show him who lives and who dies in the battle to come. And in Triss, Trisscar's father showed up with Martin to deliver her a message. I'm almost completely certain others show up as well, but I can't remember who or when. My guess is that Martin shows up most often because he is THE Protector of Redwall.
Does this make any sense? I really shouldn't try to explain things at midnight. :P
Certainly interesting thing to think about, and yes, that did make sense!
You're mistaken. All the past BADGER LORDS AND LADIES appeared to young Russano, not Redwall warriors.
Quote from: Taggerung_of_Redwall on July 04, 2011, 03:37:42 PM
You're mistaken. All the past BADGER LORDS AND LADIES appeared to young Russano, not Redwall warriors.
Really? I need to read that book again then 'cause I was almost completely certain that I remembered Mariel in there somewhere. :-\
Maybe. Martin appeared to many Badgerlords, along with the sires of Badgerlords. He was defiantly a very powerful figure along with them.
I know all the Badgerlords appeared to Gorath the Flame, with Lord Brocktree at their head.
Quote from: Taggerung_of_Redwall on July 04, 2011, 03:37:42 PM
You're mistaken. All the past BADGER LORDS AND LADIES appeared to young Russano, not Redwall warriors.
All the "great warriors of the past" did, including Gonff and Mariel. I remember this well.
Martin Sr., the grandfather - I am kind of curious about him. He was the leader of his tribe, wasn't he?
He might have been, he's pretty unknown. Even his position as an ancestor of Martin is disputed.
Quote from: Icefire on July 04, 2011, 08:42:25 AM
Quote from: Galedeep on July 03, 2011, 06:14:56 AM
Ok, let's get started then! Why do you think it's only Martin that appears in the dreams in the books and not any of the other famous redwall warriors?
SPOILER ALERT!!!
Ok, correct me if I'm wrong...it has been awhile since I've read these specific books...but I think in the Long Patrol most, if not all, the past Redwall warriors (Mariel's included...I know that much!) show up in young Russano's dream to show him who lives and who dies in the battle to come. And in Triss, Trisscar's father showed up with Martin to deliver her a message. I'm almost completely certain others show up as well, but I can't remember who or when. My guess is that Martin shows up most often because he is THE Protector of Redwall.
Does this make any sense? I really shouldn't try to explain things at midnight. :P
Quote from: Taggerung_of_Redwall on July 04, 2011, 03:37:42 PM
You're mistaken. All the past BADGER LORDS AND LADIES appeared to young Russano, not Redwall warriors.
@Taggerung_of_Redwall
sirrah, u r mistaken, past Redwall warriors do appear in Russano's dream. Martin, Mattimeo, Martin 2, Dandin sword carrier, Mariel and a few others. Why don't we all reread the book?
@sabretache5611: Reread the books as you so desire, mate. Russano I know did have a dream towards the end of The Long Patrol about past warriors, I couldn't quite remember who appeared to him, no one has. Regardless, Martin was there, which would make me think he took all the warriors there with him, not them being independent in their appearance.
I FOUND IT!!! Page 292 of my copy
"Martin Matthias, Mattimeo, Mariel, Gonff, all heroic-looking mice. There were badgers, too, great fierce-eyed creatures with names like Old Lord Brocktree, Boar the Fighter, Sunflash the Mace, Urthclaw, Urthwyte, Rawnblade, and many more...Finally they stood in a group together, pale and spectral, and another joined them. It was Rockjaw Grang, the big hare who had carried and nursed Russano on the long trek to Redwall Abbey. Though he did not speak, the little badger heard his voice. 'Remember us when you are grown, Russano the Wise.'"
I would also say that since Martin isn't the one who speaks in this one, any of them could have come without him.
Aye, I remmeber that. Great moment
Speaking of which, I do believe the tapestry in Redwall is of Martin's grandfather, and not of him, although someone in The Legend of Luke said they looked similar.
Quote from: HeadInAnotherGalaxy on July 05, 2011, 07:14:11 PM
Speaking of which, I do believe the tapestry in Redwall is of Martin's grandfather, and not of him, although someone in The Legend of Luke said they looked similar.
What? When was that said?
The tapestry was originally one of Martin the Elder, which Martin acquired during the quest of The Legend of Luke. He took it to Redwall Abbey, and during the time of Mariel of Redwall//The Bellmaker, it was expanded into a tapestry of Martin the Warrior and his victory in Mossflower.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
I don't remember that, was just the figure of Martin that of his grandfather? Or was it more?
Quote from: Taggerung_of_Redwall on July 05, 2011, 08:23:28 PM
The tapestry was originally one of Martin the Elder, which Martin acquired during the quest of The Legend of Luke. He took it to Redwall Abbey, and during the time of Mariel of Redwall//The Bellmaker, it was expanded into a tapestry of Martin the Warrior and his victory in Mossflower.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
I remember reading something like this. Yes.
Quote from: Taggerung_of_Redwall on July 05, 2011, 08:23:28 PM
The tapestry was originally one of Martin the Elder, which Martin acquired during the quest of The Legend of Luke. He took it to Redwall Abbey, and during the time of Mariel of Redwall//The Bellmaker, it was expanded into a tapestry of Martin the Warrior and his victory in Mossflower.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Yeah, that's right. I wish we knew more about Martin the Elder.
What I find interesting is that Martin the Warrior's ancestors were forced out of St. Ninian's by wildcats and then Martin ended up saving Mossflower by defeating the wildcats! Do I have all that right?
I don't know if it was wildcats who sent out the tribe from Saint Ninian's. Was it?
Quote from: Taggerung_of_Redwall on July 06, 2011, 06:07:54 PM
I don't know if it was wildcats who sent out the tribe from Saint Ninian's. Was it?
Yes it was. Before the wildcats made Kotir. At least that is what I remeber.
They, which would actually be just Verdauga Greeneyes, didn't build Kotir. Verdaugua's desire that always been to find a ruin and make it is own (as said in Lord Brocktree). That is exactly what he accomplished.
Martin Sr. ????
martins#1fan, could you please make your posts meaningful and have them contribute to the discussion? That post doesn't supply much of anything.
Quote from: martins#1fan on July 07, 2011, 01:16:07 PM
Martin Sr. ????
I believe they're referring to Martin the Warrior's grandfather. :)
Martin Sr. is Martin the warriors grandfather.
Martin is Martin the warrior.
Martin Jr. is Mattimeo son.
Quote from: Redwall Musician on July 07, 2011, 05:09:19 PM
Martin Sr. is Martin the warriors grandfather.
Martin is Martin the warrior.
Martin Jr. is Mattimeo son.
And Martin is my favorite! :)
Quote from: Osu on July 07, 2011, 05:08:01 PM
I believe they're referring to Martin the Warrior's grandfather. :)
That's true enough, but the problem comes in the fact that the post was pointless.
Quote from: Taggerung_of_Redwall on July 07, 2011, 05:26:29 PM
That's true enough, but the problem comes in the fact that the post was pointless.
I wasn't making a statement one way or another on the post itself, just answering the implied question. :)
Quote from: Taggerung_of_Redwall on July 06, 2011, 07:29:16 PM
They, which would actually be just Verdauga Greeneyes, didn't build Kotir. Verdaugua's desire that always been to find a ruin and make it is own (as said in Lord Brocktree). That is exactly what he accomplished.
woah...so it can be said that Martin the Warrior driving out Tsarmina was a bit of payback for the wildcats driving Luke out of St. Ninians?
i also noticed something interesting. (this is slightly off topic)
You know that Gnoff the mousethief made St. Ninians his home right? Well at Matthias's time, the churchmouse family lived in St. Ninians...since Gnoff's descendants supposedly lived in St. Ninians, then wouldn't that make Martin II, son of Mattimeo and Tess Churchmouse the descendant of Gnoff????
Gonff's descendants had long since moved off, and became the Gonfelins. Saint Ninian's was always being abandoned and resettled.
I don't know sabretache, Dandin is Gnoff's decendant and he went of to an adventure. And Gnoff's family left right?
Did you know that in a book... I think Marlfox but anyways in a book mice were sewing a tapestry and on animal said "I think you should use this shade of brown for Martin the Warrior's fur." But in The Legend of Luke Martin obtains a sewn piece of cloth that mice of the past had sewn for Luke. Somebody then said "This will be the center of a wonderful tapestry for you Martin." A mistake made by Mr. Jacques.
Quote from: Heisnotdead on July 09, 2011, 01:29:37 AM
Did you know that in a book... I think Marlfox but anyways in a book mice were sewing a tapestry and on animal said "I think you should use this shade of brown for Martin the Warrior's fur." But in The Legend of Luke Martin obtains a sewn piece of cloth that mice of the past had sewn for Luke. Somebody then said "This will be the center of a wonderful tapestry for you Martin." A mistake made by Mr. Jacques.
Actually, somebeast mentioned that Martin had a simliarity with the tapetry's mouse.
Quote from: Heisnotdead on July 09, 2011, 01:29:37 AM
Did you know that in a book... I think Marlfox but anyways in a book mice were sewing a tapestry and on animal said "I think you should use this shade of brown for Martin the Warrior's fur." But in The Legend of Luke Martin obtains a sewn piece of cloth that mice of the past had sewn for Luke. Somebody then said "This will be the center of a wonderful tapestry for you Martin." A mistake made by Mr. Jacques.
You're quite mistaken. For one, it wasn't Marlfox, it was either Mariel of Redwall or Outcast of Redwall, where brothers and sisters of the Abbey were sewing the tapestry. In the Legend of Luke, Vurg handed Martin the Warrior a piece of tapestry depicting his grandfather, Martin the Elder. Nobeast said a thing along that line in the book, either. Abbess Germaine did, however, state in the epilogue that the tapestry piece was being expanded into a tapestry of Martin the Warrior. I could be wrong, but I'm fairly certain Abbess Germaine wrote that in her diary/journal.
Quote from: Taggerung_of_Redwall on July 09, 2011, 04:15:50 AM
Quote from: Heisnotdead on July 09, 2011, 01:29:37 AM
Did you know that in a book... I think Marlfox but anyways in a book mice were sewing a tapestry and on animal said "I think you should use this shade of brown for Martin the Warrior's fur." But in The Legend of Luke Martin obtains a sewn piece of cloth that mice of the past had sewn for Luke. Somebody then said "This will be the center of a wonderful tapestry for you Martin." A mistake made by Mr. Jacques.
You're quite mistaken. For one, it wasn't Marlfox, it was either Mariel of Redwall or Outcast of Redwall, where brothers and sisters of the Abbey were sewing the tapestry. In the Legend of Luke, Vurg handed Martin the Warrior a piece of tapestry depicting his grandfather, Martin the Elder. Nobeast said a thing along that line in the book, either. Abbess Germaine did, however, state in the epilogue that the tapestry piece was being expanded into a tapestry of Martin the Warrior. I could be wrong, but I'm fairly certain Abbess Germaine wrote that in her diary/journal.
It was Mariel...Saxtus was the one who chose the color.
What about the rest of his family? Luke the Warrior? And Sayna? And his grandmother?
Sayna was killed by Vilu Daskar, his grandmother was killed by Badrang (or one of his soldiers, can't recall exactly), and Luke met his end when he crashed the big red ship.
They all came from Ninian's, though. I find that insanely interesting. That area of Mossflower has always been a part of Martin's family...
Quote from: Icefire on July 04, 2011, 08:42:25 AM
Quote from: Galedeep on July 03, 2011, 06:14:56 AM
Ok, let's get started then! Why do you think it's only Martin that appears in the dreams in the books and not any of the other famous redwall warriors?
SPOILER ALERT!!!
Ok, correct me if I'm wrong...it has been awhile since I've read these specific books...but I think in the Long Patrol most, if not all, the past Redwall warriors (Mariel's included...I know that much!) show up in young Russano's dream to show him who lives and who dies in the battle to come. And in Triss, Trisscar's father showed up with Martin to deliver her a message. I'm almost completely certain others show up as well, but I can't remember who or when. My guess is that Martin shows up most often because he is THE Protector of Redwall.
Does this make any sense? I really shouldn't try to explain things at midnight. :P
Ah, yes! I remember now. Boar the Fighter and Martin both come to Russano to tell him to bear witness... Also, don't forget, in Outcast of Redwall, the spirits of Brocktree, Boar, and Barkstripe come to the aid of Sunflash. My fave badger, btw.
Sometimes I get frustrated with things in general and start to feel a little sorry for myself. Then I think of Martin and remind myself of how much he lost and yet he fought on valiantly. I hope this count is correct: His father Luke, his mother Sayna, his grandmother Windred[sorry if I bungled the name], and his one love, Laterose. He also thoght T.B. was dead and lost him a few seasons after re-uniting with him. He lost his colony and homeland too. What a role model of courage.
Yeah. And he still managed to become a hero. :)
Quote from: Taggerung_of_Redwall on July 04, 2011, 05:07:20 PM
He might have been, he's pretty unknown. Even his position as an ancestor of Martin is disputed.
BRIAN! why did you leave us hanging!! theres so much moreabout redwall we fans really want to know!
I think a story of his ancestors would be a good fanfic.
Quote from: 321tumbler on December 31, 2012, 10:24:17 PM
I think a story of his ancestors would be a good fanfic.
I think we already have that with the Legend of Luke. :)
I mean his far away ancestors like the one's that went to St. Ninians.
Quote from: brocka on October 13, 2011, 04:35:51 AM
Sometimes I get frustrated with things in general and start to feel a little sorry for myself. Then I think of Martin and remind myself of how much he lost and yet he fought on valiantly. I hope this count is correct: His father Luke, his mother Sayna, his grandmother Windred[sorry if I bungled the name], and his one love, Laterose. He also thoght T.B. was dead and lost him a few seasons after re-uniting with him. He lost his colony and homeland too. What a role model of courage.
Some people after that much trauma would have turned for the worst.
Quote from: 321tumbler on December 31, 2012, 10:24:17 PM
I think a story of his ancestors would be a good fanfic.
Already in the works. ;) What can I say- Martin the Warrior was my favourite Redwall character, of course I'm going write a fanfic about his namesake! ;) :o ;)
Yeah, I started reading it. it You guys might want to read it, it's really good!