Poll
Question:
See topic.
Option 1: Yes
votes: 69
Option 2: No
votes: 7
Just yes or no, even if you rooted for the good guy too. I liked Plugg Firetail, until he got killed.
Urgan Nagru and Klitch :P
:O You... you...! xD I liked Romsca too, although it's somewhat hard if she's a gray or black character.
I'm with you there Romsca, I always was kinds rooting for Urgan Nagru and Silvamord, not sure why.
I admit I rooted for Ublaz with the conflicts between himself and the rebellious vermin in sampetra.
Also, I don't recall the book or character name, but there was a pair of vermin who stopped by the abbey. One was referred to as captain and was set on stealing things, but the other found a joy with abbey life and liked building boats out of barrels for dibbuns. The "captain" killed somebeast and they made off with some form of loot, but the other vermin choked him to death and brought everything back to the abbey. He said he was horribly sorry for what happened, along with "you can kill me now." But the abbeybeasts showed mercy. He shortly after left the abbey to build ships on the coast.
Now that guy was a vermin I rooted for. Could anybody tell me who he is or where to find him??
Probably Klitch and Ublaz. And Verdauga, if he counts.
I've never rooted for a bad guy at last I can't remember rooting for one :P
Yup...for some reason I always kind of liked Graypatch.
I sorted of liked Salgar that was until he kill Methuselah :'(
Quote from: Captain Tammo on August 17, 2013, 04:27:02 AM
I admit I rooted for Ublaz with the conflicts between himself and the rebellious vermin in sampetra.
Also, I don't recall the book or character name, but there was a pair of vermin who stopped by the abbey. One was referred to as captain and was set on stealing things, but the other found a joy with abbey life and liked building boats out of barrels for dibbuns. The "captain" killed somebeast and they made off with some form of loot, but the other vermin choked him to death and brought everything back to the abbey. He said he was horribly sorry for what happened, along with "you can kill me now." But the abbeybeasts showed mercy. He shortly after left the abbey to build ships on the coast.
Now that guy was a vermin I rooted for. Could anybody tell me who he is or where to find him??
His name was Blaggut and the captains name was Slipp.
Quote from: Faiyloe on August 17, 2013, 03:29:26 PM
Quote from: Captain Tammo on August 17, 2013, 04:27:02 AM
I admit I rooted for Ublaz with the conflicts between himself and the rebellious vermin in sampetra.
Also, I don't recall the book or character name, but there was a pair of vermin who stopped by the abbey. One was referred to as captain and was set on stealing things, but the other found a joy with abbey life and liked building boats out of barrels for dibbuns. The "captain" killed somebeast and they made off with some form of loot, but the other vermin choked him to death and brought everything back to the abbey. He said he was horribly sorry for what happened, along with "you can kill me now." But the abbeybeasts showed mercy. He shortly after left the abbey to build ships on the coast.
Now that guy was a vermin I rooted for. Could anybody tell me who he is or where to find him??
His name was Blaggut and the captains name was Slipp.
Ah guezz zeir namez juzt "zlipped" yer mind! (Zorry, ah couldnae rezizt)
Anyvay, ah rooted for Mokkan vhile readin' Marlfox. Zame viz Ferahgo. Ach, Mokkan zhould 'ave been killed in zome zlightly more dramatic fazhion zan: A freed zlave zvung a chain an' zrev it at 'im, vhich flev zrough ze air from a great diztance an' it vrapped around 'iz neck an' pulled 'im intae ze vater, vhere ze pike ate 'im!
DA DA DAAA...
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that seems pretty dramatic to me.
Quote from: Faiyloe on August 17, 2013, 10:06:48 PM
that seems pretty dramatic to me.
Same thought ran through my mind.
Quote from: Faiyloe on August 17, 2013, 03:29:26 PM
His name was Blaggut and the captains name was Slipp.
Thanks! it's been on my mind for quite a bit!
I wish Sawny Rath had lived longer...... :P
Captain Clogg. I'm glad he survived. I also rooted for Klitch in Salamandastron, and I was REALLY disappointed when he died. :'(
It was like... NO don't drink!
Zorta like av o' zoze 'orrible 'orror moviez. Dinnae gae ootzide! An vot dae ze dae?
DA DA DAAA...
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Of course, Cluny is my first love..! <3
Hmm...I'm not sure if I ever had rooted for a villain.
Well, here's your chance now! Go and be a follower of Cluny! :3
Quote from: BadgerLordFiredrake on August 17, 2013, 01:40:54 AM
Just yes or no, even if you rooted for the good guy too. I liked Plugg Firetail, until he got killed.
Same (you could probably tell ::) )
Sometimes I don't understand why BJ killed off certain characters. It seems the story would have gone fine if they had lived.
Barranca... except I considered him a good guy :-*
Quote from: Romsca on August 20, 2013, 07:56:41 PM
Barranca... except I considered him a good guy :-*
Ah yes, somehow I liked he too. I love the way he made his first apperance in the book. :)
Quote from: Gabe The Warrior on August 20, 2013, 05:05:20 PM
Well, here's your chance now! Go and be a follower of Cluny! :3
Haha! Even though I did like Cluny a bit I didn't really root for him.
Plugg fire tail, a wimpy vermin who escaped his boat to be captured by hares, lots of diff vermin I can't think of.
Quote from: Tam and Martin on August 20, 2013, 10:21:32 PM
Quote from: Gabe The Warrior on August 20, 2013, 05:05:20 PM
Well, here's your chance now! Go and be a follower of Cluny! :3
Haha! Even though I did like Cluny a bit I didn't really root for him.
Well we all knew what was coming...
Quote from: The Shade on August 22, 2013, 06:43:26 PM
Quote from: Tam and Martin on August 20, 2013, 10:21:32 PM
Quote from: Gabe The Warrior on August 20, 2013, 05:05:20 PM
Well, here's your chance now! Go and be a follower of Cluny! :3
Haha! Even though I did like Cluny a bit I didn't really root for him.
Well we all knew what was coming...
What was?
Quote from: Tam and Martin on August 22, 2013, 07:15:47 PM
Quote from: The Shade on August 22, 2013, 06:43:26 PM
Quote from: Tam and Martin on August 20, 2013, 10:21:32 PM
Quote from: Gabe The Warrior on August 20, 2013, 05:05:20 PM
Well, here's your chance now! Go and be a follower of Cluny! :3
Haha! Even though I did like Cluny a bit I didn't really root for him.
Well we all knew what was coming...
What was?
Cluny never died.. Thats impossible.. He still lives on...! He's a hero!!
::)
Cluny is such a lovable character.. I'd gladly follow in his footsteps!
Are we talking about the same character here? b/c i wouldn't describe his as lovable... ambitious, blood thirsty, cruel, yes but lovable never.
We all have opinions.. hehehe... I respect everything you mentioned about him.
Ach...
Quote from: Faiyloe on August 22, 2013, 08:28:28 PM
Are we talking about the same character here? b/c i wouldn't describe his as lovable... ambitious, blood thirsty, cruel, yes but lovable never.
*tries to hug Cluny and gets a spiky ball smashed into head*
Yes, i have rooted for a bad guy before. I rooted for Klitch in Salamadastron, and there were always some funny likable vermin in the hordes in each book.
NO!!!!!!!!!!!! Mossflower and Redwall 4 ever
Woah, surprised that name wasn't already taken.. Well hello Iamthatis!
Cluny The Scourge will reign!!!
Quote from: Gabe The Warrior on August 22, 2013, 08:25:27 PM
Cluny is such a lovable character.. I'd gladly follow in his footsteps!
You serious? :o
Quote from: The Shade on August 25, 2013, 09:10:54 PM
Quote from: Gabe The Warrior on August 22, 2013, 08:25:27 PM
Cluny is such a lovable character.. I'd gladly follow in his footsteps!
You serious? :o
Yes. I am dead serious.
I find the way he does things sinister and admirable..
Quote from: Gabe The Warrior on August 25, 2013, 11:18:14 PM
Quote from: The Shade on August 25, 2013, 09:10:54 PM
Quote from: Gabe The Warrior on August 22, 2013, 08:25:27 PM
Cluny is such a lovable character.. I'd gladly follow in his footsteps!
You serious? :o
Yes. I am dead serious.
I find the way he does things sinister and admirable..
Admirable????????
Quote from: Emperor Ublaz on August 26, 2013, 03:30:39 PM
Quote from: Tam and Martin on August 26, 2013, 02:22:08 PM
Quote from: Gabe The Warrior on August 25, 2013, 11:18:14 PM
Quote from: The Shade on August 25, 2013, 09:10:54 PM
Quote from: Gabe The Warrior on August 22, 2013, 08:25:27 PM
Cluny is such a lovable character.. I'd gladly follow in his footsteps!
You serious? :o
Yes. I am dead serious.
I find the way he does things sinister and admirable..
Admirable????????
What Tam said.
:-X
"Ach" again.
Quote from: HeadInAnotherGalaxy on August 26, 2013, 04:19:42 PM
Quote from: Emperor Ublaz on August 26, 2013, 03:30:39 PM
Quote from: Tam and Martin on August 26, 2013, 02:22:08 PM
Quote from: Gabe The Warrior on August 25, 2013, 11:18:14 PM
Quote from: The Shade on August 25, 2013, 09:10:54 PM
Quote from: Gabe The Warrior on August 22, 2013, 08:25:27 PM
Cluny is such a lovable character.. I'd gladly follow in his footsteps!
You serious? :o
Yes. I am dead serious.
I find the way he does things sinister and admirable..
Admirable????????
What Tam said.
:-X
"Ach" again.
Yup. Admirable. Long live Cluny!
Quote from: Gabe The Warrior on August 25, 2013, 11:18:14 PM
Quote from: The Shade on August 25, 2013, 09:10:54 PM
Quote from: Gabe The Warrior on August 22, 2013, 08:25:27 PM
Cluny is such a lovable character.. I'd gladly follow in his footsteps!
You serious? :o
Yes. I am dead serious.
I find the way he does things sinister and admirable..
Yes very dead. Like Cluny. Follow him right under the Joseph bell *splat*! (Sorry I couldn't resist)
Hehe :D
hehehehe :D :D
"Ach" again an' again.
You guys are evil.. >.>
Zayz ze zupporter o' Cluny...
Am I the only one here who officially likes Cluny...?
Cluny was a good character just kind of an evil one.
I was rooting for Badredd and his lot. They are one of the only things IMO that stop Loamhedge from being horrible.
Yes! Badredd! :D
Was he the young fox that took over the band?
Yes, and I liked Skrodd too
I was kind of rooting for those brownrats in Eulalia because their leader was so horrible. :-\
Also Plugg Firetail. ;D
You all should bow down to Cluny.. He's the best.. :3
I don't think I've specifically routed for a bad guy. I'm not so keen on some of the wildcats being killed, though, as I have cats as pets.
:-X I was going to say but I better not :-X
I liked Kilcony (spelling?) from Redwall (the book)
I voted yes. ;D
I only did in the case of Ungatt Trunn and Urgan Nagru.
I was kind of always cheering for Romsca. ;D
Quote from: Faiyloe on September 07, 2013, 02:40:15 AM
I was kind of always cheering for Romsca. ;D
Ah think almozt every one waz
I kind of was rooting for Plugg Firetail. He is so awesome!
Quote from: BadgerLordFiredrake on August 17, 2013, 01:40:54 AM
Just yes or no, even if you rooted for the good guy too. I liked Plugg Firetail, until he got killed.
PYUGGY FIRATAI!
I always liked it when the main villein was a girl.
Plugg Firetail! And Romsca! And someone I don't remember right now...
I was so angry when Plugg died, cuz he was so much better than Kurda. And Grubbage was awesome just cuz he was funny XP
*Revive* I just remembered Klitch! How could I forget Klitch I went and dug this back up just to say that.
Vot, forget Klitch?! Tiz impozzible!!!
Quote from: HeadInAnotherGalaxy on February 06, 2014, 04:54:25 PM
Vot, forget Klitch?! Tiz impozzible!!!
I'm afraid that I did too...
I liked Romsca, Plugg (When he was dueling Kurda, she needed to die) and Veil (Well, he was sort of a villain)
I didn't really like Veil very much for some reason. :-\
Plugg Firetail! It never says he dies outright. Maybe he really escaped... Like Chickenhound/Slagar. He shoulda won. I mean, his crew was even loyal to him. Thats saying something about a villain!
Blaggut the craftsrat
When ublaz was trying to kill rasconza
I have to say I was rooting for Badredd.
I find it admirable that he took on Redwall with such a tiny band and got further along then most vermin leaders, :P
And heck, he wasn't even the main villain.
I sorta wanted Slagar to beat everyone except Matthias. Except for the fact he killed Mathusala, that wasn't cool.
I rooted for a bad guy but I can't remember which one!
Quote from: Soren the Warrior on November 13, 2014, 05:24:19 AM
I sorta wanted Slagar to beat everyone except Matthias. Except for the fact he killed Mathusala, that wasn't cool.
I thought that Slagar was cool as Chickenhound, but not as Slagar. :-\ But I don't really think he tried to kill Methusualah, just tried to either get him out of the way, or maybe knock him out.
Yeah, he wasn't really a cold-blooded killer as Chickenhound.
That's hard, but I gotta say any vixen.They are always right,but it seems that they are always killed and insulted.
I've rooted for some vermin before, I think, but not really for any main leader vermin.
Besides Slagar, I think I wanted Gulo to win a lot of times. And he usually did.
ok so I add something: Swartt sixclaw, when he convinces his horde not to desert. Actually pretty cool, right? But i'm just another insane, gluttonus hare, so ignore this.
I wanted the Warlord to somehow thwart Sixclaw when Swartt tried to poison him.
I seem to have a lot of fans. :P
It always bothers me when a vermin that had some good in them, or could have easily been good, is killed. Like when the Sable Queen's assistant who helped her recover (whose name I forgot) was killed by her, I was upset.
I want to say his name's Swinky, but I can't be sure. The stoat that was with the group that was eventually lead by "Bad Redd" in Loamhedge. I guess this is a bit of a cheap shot since he wasn't really bad... Like Blaggut, who I also "rooted" for (anyone else just love reading the part where he...
What Blaggut did
HA! Gotcha-just kidding. ;D Sorry, couldn't resist :D : Where he turned on his captain... He was so cold in that scene, he stopped caring about what his captain was doing to him, he just up and served justice as well as any woodlander.
Flinky the Irish stoat
Quote from: danflorreguba on December 22, 2014, 06:26:12 AM
What Blaggut did
HA! Gotcha-just kidding. ;D Sorry, couldn't resist :D : Where he turned on his captain... He was so cold in that scene, he stopped caring about what his captain was doing to him, he just up and served justice as well as any woodlander.
Agreed: I did support him.
I root for the secondary bad guy in the WWI RP, it's me. ;D
I've always rooted for.,. . . Gah, what's his name?! Starts with a B. . . . Brang? No. Bank? Definitely not. Bang? No. . . Brad? Don't think so. AGH! He's in Mossflower, he's the one who helped Tsarmina on to that table on the end, but gets killed by a boulder. Know who I'm talking about? WHAT IS HIS NAME?! It's going to drive me nuts. . . .
Brogg.
I'm a fan of his myself. It's a shame that he got killed in such a random, anticlimactic fashion.
THANK YOU JAMES!
Yeah, it did kinda suck, didn't it? But then, I think I may have been a little more upset if he had been killed in a more dramatic way. He seemed to me a bit like a simple vermin (Forgot what species he is! I really need to read Mossflower again soon), and the poor guy had only just realized that as loyal as he was to Tsarmina, she only cared for herself.
I rooted for Scragg and Killconey. Dat name do. I hated Cheesethief when he killed Scragg.
Agreed!
I recall rooting for Sneezewart and Loundwart (I think I got those names right) in the Long Patrol. They were a pretty funny pair!
The ONLY real reason I rooted for Slagar was because I wanted him to smack Mattimeo around some. I really didn't like the brat.
Me too, a little. Really, Mattimeo was a total CLONE of his father.
Personally, Klitch should've gotten more power and attention. Admit it, he was smart!
Quote from: PluggFiretail on December 22, 2014, 04:55:05 AM
I seem to have a lot of fans. :P
It always bothers me when a vermin that had some good in them, or could have easily been good, is killed. Like when the Sable Queen's assistant who helped her recover (whose name I forgot) was killed by her, I was upset.
Gliv
I thought the only reason Gliv helped the Sable Quean was to get some sort of personal gain or revenge, not because she was good?
I can't recall ever hoping a vermin would beat a goodbeast. Vermin-on-vermin conflicts, like the Blaggut thing, are a different matter. For example, I didn't feel sorry about Gruven, and was pretty disappointed with how Plugg/Kurda played out.
I felt really bad for Conva the Corsair stoat in Pearls of Lutra. He had such a horrible death :(
I've never rooted for the atrocities that bad guys commit, but I've often rooted for bad guys to survive, especially the funny ones.
Honestly, I really felt bad for Raventail when they were so close to conquering redwall and then the Abbeybeasts threw inflammable liquids on them. :-* :-* :-*
Romsca, Blaggut, I felt sorry for Bluefen, and Tramun Clogg.
What if Veil wasn't really evil? Somebody needs to write a fic where Bunfold was the bad guy... I always wanted Veil to be a likeable character. I was always disappointed that he hadn't been all that good.
Me too :) Veil really surprised me at the end. I wish he hadn't died ...
Welcome to the Forum, Istar :)
I don't know why, but I like the two cat brothers in High Ruhlain (spelling?), Jeefra and Pitru. I also liked Blaggut and Romsca for the obvious reasons...
That one vermin who knocked out Orkwil for insulting his granny in "Eulailia!".
It's bad enough the Redwallers had largely devolved into total jerks in the later books, but insulting creatures' grandmothers was a new low, comic purposes or not.
I thought Verdauga ? Greeneyes had some fairness in him and thought it sad evil Tsarmina had him poisoned. So I did kind of root for him that he shouldn't have died like that.
Quote from: MeadowRabbit on February 14, 2015, 11:22:31 AM
I thought Verdauga ? Greeneyes had some fairness in him and thought it sad evil Tsarmina had him poisoned. So I did kind of root for him that he shouldn't have died like that.
i completely agree
Also: Greypatch, in the series of books that made the woodlanders ruthless vermin killing machines, he got killed when it was clear he was not going to be harming the abbey or anyone near it, and he wasn't too bad as far as vermin go
Vizka Longtooth: This guy is awesome, I just rooted for him, not the good guys
I rooted for Klitch, I loved him.
I rooted for Mokkan (I think I spelled that wrong), I dunno why.
Gellto I felt sorry for. A litte.
Quote from: Captain Tammo on August 17, 2013, 04:27:02 AM
I admit I rooted for Ublaz with the conflicts between himself and the rebellious vermin in sampetra.
Also, I don't recall the book or character name, but there was a pair of vermin who stopped by the abbey. One was referred to as captain and was set on stealing things, but the other found a joy with abbey life and liked building boats out of barrels for dibbuns. The "captain" killed somebeast and they made off with some form of loot, but the other vermin choked him to death and brought everything back to the abbey. He said he was horribly sorry for what happened, along with "you can kill me now." But the abbeybeasts showed mercy. He shortly after left the abbey to build ships on the coast.
Now that guy was a vermin I rooted for. Could anybody tell me who he is or where to find him??
I believe that was in the Bellmaker, and his name was Blaggot.
Yes, I actually rooted for Shadow when he first fought Matthias at the beginning of the first season (and I recall being extremely annoyed at the outcome of that fight).
Quote from: Dippler on February 25, 2015, 06:20:36 PM
Quote from: Captain Tammo on August 17, 2013, 04:27:02 AM
I admit I rooted for Ublaz with the conflicts between himself and the rebellious vermin in sampetra.
Also, I don't recall the book or character name, but there was a pair of vermin who stopped by the abbey. One was referred to as captain and was set on stealing things, but the other found a joy with abbey life and liked building boats out of barrels for dibbuns. The "captain" killed somebeast and they made off with some form of loot, but the other vermin choked him to death and brought everything back to the abbey. He said he was horribly sorry for what happened, along with "you can kill me now." But the abbeybeasts showed mercy. He shortly after left the abbey to build ships on the coast.
Now that guy was a vermin I rooted for. Could anybody tell me who he is or where to find him??
I believe that was in the Bellmaker, and his name was Blaggot.
*Blaggut. Is it fair to call him a bad guy? If it is, than count me in too. I loved him, the heart he possessed, what he did, his breaking away from the stereotype. He was a flavor totally unique to
The Bellmaker, and part of the reason that it's far superior to Mariel in my book.
Quote from: TheTaleOfSierra on March 04, 2015, 11:12:13 PM
Yes, I actually rooted for Shadow when he first fought Matthias at the beginning of the first season (and I recall being extremely annoyed at the outcome of that fight).
i rooted for shadow as well, he wasnt bad at all as far a vermin go and Cluny abandoned him to serve the "bad guy" stereotype
Quote from: CpnRake335 on May 16, 2015, 02:48:02 AM
Quote from: TheTaleOfSierra on March 04, 2015, 11:12:13 PM
Yes, I actually rooted for Shadow when he first fought Matthias at the beginning of the first season (and I recall being extremely annoyed at the outcome of that fight).
i rooted for shadow as well, he wasnt bad at all as far a vermin go and Cluny abandoned him to serve the "bad guy" stereotype
Plus, he was the coolest guy WITH the coolest ability. His early fate was a total waste of something that could have been great, in my opinion.
there's even been a few copies of shadow in later books, dont ask me to name them though, the only one i remember is Farran the poisoner, though i remember one in Lord Brocktree
Quote from: CpnRake335 on May 16, 2015, 03:26:34 AM
there's even been a few copies of shadow in later books, dont ask me to name them though, the only one i remember is Farran the poisoner, though i remember one in Lord Brocktree
Mmm, I'm intrigued now. What do you mean by "copies"?
similar people to shadow, more evil, more assassin-like and while none never really was as good as shadow was, some of them were really cool
they include:
oilback- Martin the Warrior (bit of a stretch)
Farran the poisoner- Salamandastron
Wirga's three sons-Loamhedge
Marbul- Outcast (my personal favorite, besides shadow)
Quote from: CpnRake335 on May 16, 2015, 03:30:15 AM
similar people to shadow, more evil, more assassin-like and while none never really was as good as shadow was, some of them were really cool
Oh, that's really cool to know! This seems like the perfect opportunity to get a little more of Shadow (I can't really get enough of him) ;D Thanks for the explanation :)
Wow, this stayed alive for a long time :P
The assassin guys were cool, but I never really wanted them to win
personally, i would just liked to see them live, not necessarily win
Quote from: CpnRake335 on May 16, 2015, 10:40:12 PM
personally, i would just liked to see them live, not necessarily win
That's pretty much how I feel about most of the characters that have died during this series.
Greypatch and Ferran the Poisoner.
Quote from: Starla1431 on May 17, 2015, 03:22:49 AM
Greypatch and Ferran the Poisoner.
Graypatch definitely should of lived, though i would of preferred that Marbul lived over Farran the Poisoner
I always loved Vitch for some strange, obscure reason. Idk :P
How could you like Vitch!? :o I couldn't stand him, everything about his personality made me downright hate him (kinda wish Mattimeo got to kill him instead of... you know). Part of me wanted Klitch to get away, I always found him to be an interesting character, and as far as vermin go, he wasn't too bad... Despite being raised by arguably one of the most vile.
Quote from: Tim Churchmouse on May 19, 2015, 08:11:30 PM
I always loved Vitch for some strange, obscure reason. Idk :P
I always liked Vitch too. I don't know why. I just don't find him annoying like a lot of people do.
So did I. I think it's because I had sympathy for him (though if he knew this, he would probably try to slice me). I see him as a creature who could have done more and could have led a better life. Vitch had bad in him, but what happened to him was rough. I think he was deceived just as much as he deceived others.
I think I rooted for Tsarmina. I liked her for some reason, and was sad when she died.
I definitely rooted for Blaggut in The Bellmaker. I loved reading about how happy he was at the abbey, eating with the woodlanders at their great feasts and building cool barrel-boats for the Dibbuns. I nearly dropped the book when Slipp, well... DID THE THING (trying not to spoil it, here). I wish Blaggut could have gone on living at Redwall, but I understand why it was better for him to leave after that. While The Bellmaker doesn't stand out of one of my favorite Redwall tales (Mr. Jacques, you could've given the mousebabe a name!), it particularly liked that story arc.
Burr, oi haves, burr aye.
I was rooting for Ungatt Trunn when he fought the Badger Lord.
I've rooted for every last villain I found more enjoyable to read about than the goodbeasts.
Swartt I disliked for murdering Shang Damsontongue, the purple-tongued, bolas-wielding vixen of awesomeness. And for getting Balefur killed so easily. Aaand for getting Cap'n Zigu "outsmarted" and killed... honestly, any three of them were leagues better warriors and commanders than Swartt the Cowardly Scumbag could ever be. Balefur should have cleaved Swartt in half when he had the chance.
I liked all the villains, but the only villain I can think of that I really wanted to win was Vizka Longtooth
I always root for the villain.
it depends on how the villain's character is presented as opposed to the hero's character. what is the villain's goals, and how do they act in the story
That effect it too, I suppose.
as much as I hated Kylo Ren I liked him more than Rey so I was hoping for good character development
Wait, y' flippin' hated Kylo Ren?!...
Anyway, I actually flippin' liked and rooted for Blacktooth, Splitnose and Scratch.
Yes! I think I always rooted for the vermin because they were so incompetent. In a way they always felt more like the underdogs.
I know what y' bloomin' mean. It's obvious that blinkin' hares are th' best.
And because said blinking hares are the best so *easily* I feel no need to throw my support behind them. In contrast to say... Dingeye and Thura- who were smart enough to think they could get into Redwall... by posing as moles.
I root for the villain all the time.
Quote from: The Grey Coincidence on August 19, 2019, 05:29:42 AM
And because said blinking hares are the best so *easily* I feel no need to throw my support behind them. In contrast to say... Dingeye and Thura- who were smart enough to think they could get into Redwall... by posing as moles.
Oh yes
I root for them because I want them to win once an awhile
...kerchunk
Yes, as a matter of fact I do root for the so-called bad guys, even though I know they are gonna lose in the end.
Not so much rooting for them... or maybe a little ;), but would have liked to have seen a couple of the villains actually get in to Redwall and appear to be winning for a bit, settling in the abbey and using the Redwallers to cook, clean, make their clothes, etc. for them. Actually came up with a fanfic in my head regarding this. Might well write some of it down soon.
On that note, wouldn't a lot of the villains have made at least some notable headway? Cluny obviously
Cluny
took the Abbey (briefly, but rather convincingly)
Slagar
Slagar
made off with a bunch of Redwall children (successfully selling them off)
Ungatt Trun
Ungatt
Took and held Salamandastron for an extended period of time, only defeated by a full-blown badger
Verdauga Greeneyes
Verdauga
held total control over Mossflower, only lost by Tsarmina at the very end of the book
Urgan Nagru
Puppie$lyer69Xx
took castle Floret, only ousted by the overwhelming Sue that is Mariel
And this isn't even dealing with the fact that some books just took place in weird, vermin held locations (See: Pearls of Lutra, High Rhulain, and Mariel of Redwall). I do get the sentiment/desire for the vermin to put up a better fight at times (and would also liked to have seen more back & forth myself), but one must understand that this series WAS written with children in mind. A lot of the moral presentation was made rather simple, and the endings essentially had to be mostly happy (not to mention, it makes the books a reliable way to enjoy a fantasy story that you don't have to worry TOO much about having your heart crushed.... most of the time). All things considered, I think the books filled the space they were meant for very well, but leaves us a tad wanting as we've grown and come to desire a bit more balance in our reading and writing. Unfortunate in some ways, but as is clearly seen by the activity and variance of age on this forum, not enough to turn us away in the end.
A bit more inline with the title however, I kinda liked Klitch to be honest, he struck me as a bit... different. He seemed more competent than average, but wasn't too overly proud if I recall? He also did a pretty solid job
Spoiler
inside Salamandastron
from what I remember.
Who did y'all root for in Pearls of Lutra? I enjoyed the power struggle between the two vermin factions.
But concerning the topic, yeah, a lot. As a general rule, I root for the villains (Especially the less bright ones. Like the two rats in The Long Patrol).
I know most of you are going into shock because i liked clungy the scrounge. I liked his eye patch and his own tail which was his primary weapon in battle.
I rooted for Cluny. He came so close so many times, but he always failed. He tried so hard. Kind of felt bad for him.
YES! I am absolutely CRAZY about Zwilt the Shade. I also like Verdauga Greeneyes! What about you guys?
Quote from: clunylooney on August 08, 2020, 04:31:29 PM
I rooted for Cluny. He came so close so many times, but he always failed. He tried so hard. Kind of felt bad for him.
Cluny the Scourge is also a favorite of mine...
If only the Joseph Bell didn't fall on him. That was a really sad ending. I actually think he looks a little cute (sometimes).
Hey there Hazel ^-^
I've never really understood liking bad guys myself. Like, if they're conflicted or eventually turn face, that's one thing, but the ones that are just evil (as most Redwall villains tend to be) I can never like. That's just me though, I suppose. *Shrugs.*
By the way, Hazel, you should head over to the Introduction Topic (http://redwallabbey.com/forum/index.php?topic=177.4890) and introduce yourself! I'm sure the folks around here would like to welcome you to the forum.