I have always wondered what was over the seas in the Redwall books. It said at the end of the Bellmaker Mariel, Dandin, and a few others went over the seas with a ship. Also, I might be wrong, but I think it said that Cluny was from over the seas.
It seems to have a lot of mystery around it.
Life's a mystery.
"I'd far rather be happy than right any day."
-Slartibartfast
I suspect you come to more land then. That's what is there or the other side of the land that Redwall sits on. We have the islands that exist because stories have built up around them. Mr. Jacques certainly had endless possibilities.
Did Sarengo and his decendants live in the land over the seas? Or was that the northlands?
I don't recall if Sarengo's family's origins were mentioned... must look it up.
I think anything considered "land over the seas" is just a general definition of continued adventure/"mysterious place far away." If that makes sense. There may not be "a" land such as North America, but there is land, and it is populated, and spits out creatures like Cluny, and must be explored.
Another story somebody must write? Arrh..
It is mysterious. I think Brian should've had more stories away from the abbey, it'd make things much less of a cliche
Sampetra/Terramort.
Ruddaring/Peace Island.
The archipelago in Legend of Luke.
Green Isle.
The Land of Ice and Snow.
Also Portugal :P
Quote from: Osu on July 27, 2011, 05:28:19 AM
I don't recall if Sarengo's family's origins were mentioned... must look it up.
I think anything considered "land over the seas" is just a general definition of continued adventure/"mysterious place far away." If that makes sense. There may not be "a" land such as North America, but there is land, and it is populated, and spits out creatures like Cluny, and must be explored.
Another story somebody must write? Arrh..
I'll get right to it... right after I finish the other fanfics i'm workin on.
From its descriptions and the map, Riftgard seems like it's in the northlands, however all the characters did use ships to go to and from.
Yeah, Abbey, Northlands, and Southern Islands are visited a lot. I think of them alsomt like Brit. colonies, India, Australia, (Australia=Sampetra? ;))
I wish BJ hadnt kept visiting the same places over and over. On this board there are many topics about geographical mystery. It's tough when you realize there will be no more books to answer our questions :(
But like I said somewhere else, its wonderful how large his world is. would hate visiting the sameplace over and over, but love exploring
Quote from: Muse on November 08, 2011, 01:11:46 AM
But like I said somewhere else, its wonderful how large his world is. would hate visiting the sameplace over and over, but love exploring
"there's more to be seen
than can ever be seen,
More to do,
Than can ever be done!"
Amen to that, brother. ; D
maybee that is where humans live (no likely)
i dont really like the idea of that. because if there were, then why hasnt any people invaded mossflower? I think that these books make woodland creatures the dominant species.
Hey, let's revive the oldest [unlocked] topic on this board!
Brian said numerous times that there were no humans in Redwall. But there wasn't exactly proof of that in the books, was there? So I guess the reader can still imagine, right? Can you imagine walking through the woods, getting lost and finding a red sandstone abbey in the middle of everything?!
If Mossflower is inhabited only by critters that are found in Britain, and everything else comes from over the seas, then maybe we can say that the land across the sea is like that across the Atlantic from Britain's east? Suddenly the lands of ice and snow are akin to Iceland, Greenland and Canada. The tropical islands beyond where the sun sets are the far-off Caribbean islands. Perhaps there is a Mossflower-like land mass like the woods on the USA's east coast somewhere over there, too?
That might be true but how would you explain how he characters get to places like Sampetra which has a very different climate than Mossflower with relatively fast speed.
Well, the idea is that there is inspiration taken from various places (as if Brian put a "loosely based on real locations" tag at the beginning of the novel). Not so much that the places everything is based on is the actual world. If the story calls for an island not too far away, like Sampetra, then poof! there it is!
Looking at the Redwall wiki, it seems that Sampetra derives its name from a Galic word for summer, "Sam", and a Latin word for rock, "Petra". So, Sampetra = Summer Rock. Sounds a lot like a Caribbean island to me! Maybe Brian took some creative liberties and moved some things around to better fit the story. Or maybe he always made things up from scratch and there was never any real-world influence there?
Quote from: Log-a-Log on July 26, 2011, 09:09:30 PM
I have always wondered what was over the seas in the Redwall books. It said at the end of the Bellmaker Mariel, Dandin, and a few others went over the seas with a ship. Also, I might be wrong, but I think it said that Cluny was from over the seas.
It seems to have a lot of mystery around it.
I sometimes wander what happened to them after The Bellmaker
Quote from: Sanddunes on June 14, 2018, 06:20:02 AM
I sometimes wander what happened to them after The Bellmaker
I guess that's what makes these stories tug at your heartstrings a little. We never really know what happens after the books end, do we?
I have thought about the tropical isles in the books and I think they may likely be almost tropical islands like say the Isles of Scily which are very close offshore from main land Great Britain.
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Perhaps! It's obvious Brian took artistic liberties, so any warm tropical/semi-tropical island could be a candidate for the inspiration.