Southsward was such an epic region, pity it was only in one book. Maybe he wrote another book about it, but it didn't get published? ???
Anyway, I was just wondering about the the general history of this place. Just history of it in general.
I don't think Southsward has ever been mentioned outside of The Bellmaker. :( The only thing I can say for sure is that it's almost four seasons march (I believe) south of the abbey. I find Southsward interesting for the monarchy, though - since the king and queen adopted non-squirrels as children, it's entirely plausible the kingdom isn't always ruled by squirrels. Kind of like the abbey, where the ruling paw changes species... I like this idea very much. There's so much I could do with it... :D
Quote from: Osu on June 27, 2011, 04:56:51 PM
I don't think Southsward has ever been mentioned outside of The Bellmaker. :( The only thing I can say for sure is that it's almost four seasons march (I believe) south of the abbey. I find Southsward interesting for the monarchy, though - since the king and queen adopted non-squirrels as children, it's entirely plausible the kingdom isn't always ruled by squirrels. Kind of like the abbey, where the ruling paw changes species... I like this idea very much. There's so much I could do with it... :D
As soon as I read the part of it being about four seasons march from the abbey I looked at the Redwall map that's above my bed. (Yes, I have put up a Redwall map over my bed.)
I'd say the shortest distance there would down the
South Path, across the
Great South Stream, and just go through the forest and come out at Castle Floret.
Quote from: HeadInAnotherGalaxy on June 27, 2011, 06:08:56 PM
Quote from: Osu on June 27, 2011, 04:56:51 PM
I don't think Southsward has ever been mentioned outside of The Bellmaker. :( The only thing I can say for sure is that it's almost four seasons march (I believe) south of the abbey. I find Southsward interesting for the monarchy, though - since the king and queen adopted non-squirrels as children, it's entirely plausible the kingdom isn't always ruled by squirrels. Kind of like the abbey, where the ruling paw changes species... I like this idea very much. There's so much I could do with it... :D
As soon as I read the part of it being about four seasons march from the abbey I looked at the Redwall map that's above my bed. (Yes, I have put up a Redwall map over my bed.)
I'd say the shortest distance there would down the South Path, across the Great South Stream, and just go through the forest and come out at Castle Floret.
I have that map, too. It's over the bookcase near the foot of my bed.
Yep, I have the map and riddler, it is still in the cover thing though, I just pull it out when I need to.
Don't they go south to Loamhedge? Or is that another region? Because they go to Loamhedge twice: Once in Mattimeo and once in Loamhedge.
Quote from: Redwall Musician on June 29, 2011, 02:59:11 PM
Don't they go south to Loamhedge? Or is that another region? Because they go to Loamhedge twice: Once in Mattimeo and once in Loamhedge.
And they come from Loamhedge in
Mossflower.
I think Loamhedge is quite far away.
I thought they went South to get to Loamhedge as well, but it seems to me that Southsward is WAAAAYYYY farther South than Loamhedge. And then farther South than Southsward is the original home of Mariel and Joseph the Bellmaker...I wish Brian Jacques had gone into more detail about where they were from.
I always thought that Southsward was south along the coast, while Loamhedge was farther inland
Quote from: Log-a-Log on July 05, 2011, 04:50:10 PM
I always thought that Southsward was south along the coast, while Loamhedge was farther inland
My thoughts exactly!
It's too bad southward wasn't in many books... I wish Brian made a book that would take place throughout the entire redwall world! It'd be a reaaaallly long book, but I'm sure it'd also be the best ;D
Quote from: Captain Tammo on July 05, 2011, 11:17:57 PM
It's too bad southward wasn't in many books... I wish Brian made a book that would take place throughout the entire redwall world! It'd be a reaaaallly long book, but I'm sure it'd also be the best ;D
That would be cool!
It seems like Brian initially thought of Loamhenge as being directly to the south (and Southward being even farther) since Mariel's journey south wasn't described in the book and Joseph and co. went by the sea, plus the Roaringburn was obviously intended to greatly speed up the journey and from what I remember they only got there after the final battle started, but in Loamhedge he changed its location to be to the east. Also I don't remember the Great South Stream in Mattimeo.
BTW is it just me or was Loamhedge called Loamhenge in Mossflower and Mattimeo?
It was called Malkariss in Mattimeo, but that's only because thats what the evil guys who took over it called it.
I believe it was called Loamhenge at Redwall but elsewhere it was referred to as the Kingdom of Malkariss.
In Mattimeo they do visit Loamhegde. Remember the hare who gave them the little statue?
In all honesty I think BJ has been a little fuzzy with his geography. The redwall map and riddler's world map of Redwall just doesn't seem very realistic or to match all the books. I would find it interesting if people were ever able to combine and slowly piece together a more realistic map from all the books and by using the maps from each book.
The map doesn't have Loamhedge on it, yet it's mentioned in Mossflower, and the map was published after Mossflower.
I just got the map and riddler and I agree that a lot of things don't make sense in all the books. My brothers tried to find the route Martin and co. used to get from Brockhall to Salamandastron in Mossflower and there were several things that just didn't fit well. The best thing to do is use the maps from the front of the books. It would be interesting, as Gerbilket said, to try to piece together all the different maps and see if you could come up with a slightly more accurate map. But, as the map doesn't have Loamhedge, we might have to go by the maps in the front of the books Loamhedge is in.
Quote from: Gerbilkit on July 08, 2011, 02:58:17 PM
I would find it interesting if people were ever able to combine and slowly piece together a more realistic map from all the books and by using the maps from each book.
Folgrimeo tried to do just that (http://redwallabbey.com/forum/index.php?topic=190.msg11059#msg11059). It turned out pretty confusing!
Yes, I saw that just after I posted, it does look confusing.
Four season's march? So, it takes a full year to get there?
I think he had the map drawn in the way that it was pertinent to the story. They didn't visit anywhere near Bat Mountpit or the accompanying mountains in a few of the books, so why would he need to draw them? And notice that Salamandastron and Marlfox share the same map, it just has different labes on certain objects.
I wish he had more history on Loamhedge. I was so excited to read Loamhedge because that's what I thought it would be about. I was very disappointed to find out it wasn't.
Quote from: White One6193 on August 17, 2011, 11:40:19 PM
Four season's march? So, it takes a full year to get there?
Personally, I doubt it. I believe that Mariel and Dandin didn't take the most direct way, they wandered about fighting, staying for awhile in some places, I would say it would take two or three seasons if you really wanted to get there and knew where it was. Maybe not even one.
Yes.
Quote from: Captain Tammo on July 05, 2011, 11:17:57 PM
It's too bad southward wasn't in many books... I wish Brian made a book that would take place throughout the entire redwall world! It'd be a reaaaallly long book, but I'm sure it'd also be the best ;D
That would be so epic.
Even more epic, if a lot of fans got together and wrote it together. We should do that.