There are sooo many cool things that happen in Mossflower, like St. Ninian's Church, I love the song about it. And Brockhall, there are so many places in Mossflower that are really old. What is your favourite place in Mossflower?
Mossflower Woods is both an intrical part of the history of Redwall. You always find it in the books, being home to so much. It's also a place of extreme mystery, ruled by ancient Badgerlords, who are as a rule very mysterious.
^ditto :)
THIS AIN"T NINIANS
SAINT NINIANS
That is so funny!
I like how Mossflower is so diverse, full of lovely things like water meadows but still with its hidden dangers - swamps, for example. I'd like to go adventuring there or something. :)
And then there's the ditch next to the path. How many vermin have "hidden" there? XD
Quote from: Matthias720 on June 23, 2011, 12:39:32 AM
And then there's the ditch next to the path. How many vermin have "hidden" there? XD
I think lots sir! :D
Quote from: Redwall Musician on June 22, 2011, 10:22:13 PM
THIS AIN"T NINIANS
SAINT NINIANS
That is so funny!
I thought the song that had that in it was particularly funny! :)
Quote from: Songbreeze on June 23, 2011, 12:43:34 AM
Quote from: Redwall Musician on June 22, 2011, 10:22:13 PM
THIS AIN"T NINIANS
SAINT NINIANS
That is so funny!
I thought the song that had that in it was particularly funny! :)
I'm out of the loop! D: What song is that from?..
A random one from The Legend of Luke. I believe Trimp sang it, with te Guosim and Martin & Co. in attendance. Actually, they urged her on
Huh! I need to re-read that book. It doesn't sound familiar to me at all. :( Thanks for letting me know!
I've wondered in the past if the whole St. Ninians thing was Brian's way of ribbing the Catholic church.
I think the theme just changed from Redwall in the other books. The culture of the Redwall universe changed from Medieval Society to Medieval-based struggle. That change knocked out the idea of an actual church as much as an actual town, which are mentioned in Redwall as well.
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THIS AIN"T NINIANS
SAINT NINIANS
That is so funny!
I thought the song that had that in it was particularly funny! :)
I'm out of the loop! D: What song is that from?..
It is from the book "The Legend of Luke"
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Quote from: Osu on June 23, 2011, 02:58:39 AM
Quote from: Songbreeze on June 23, 2011, 12:43:34 AM
Quote from: Redwall Musician on June 22, 2011, 10:22:13 PM
THIS AIN"T NINIANS
SAINT NINIANS
That is so funny!
I thought the song that had that in it was particularly funny! :)
I'm out of the loop! D: What song is that from?..
It is from the book "The Legend of Luke"
Yes it is. :)
Was Brian Jacques Catholic? Sorry it is random.
oh, hey Matthias :D
Quote from: Redwall Musician on June 23, 2011, 05:29:44 PM
Was Brian Jacques Catholic? Sorry it is random.
Yes, it said he was
My mom was wondering. We looked it up and found he went to a catholic school. Sorry for the random question, but I'm full of them.
thats fine, those come to me lots too ::)
I always figured St. Ninian's was something like the horse from the first book - it got a different meaning as the series progressed. Started out as a home for the churchmice - you know the saying, "poor as a church mouse?" - but if there's no religion in Redwall, as BJ has said, then what was it a church for? Not that it matters since it was burned down, of course. ;)
Speaking of places in Mossflower, I'm interested in where the path outside the abbey starts and ends, and who made it.
I like Brockhall, in Mossflower and stuff it just makes you feel safe, as if you know nothing will happen that might kill someone while they are still there. Of course, that all changed in the Sable Quean...
Quote from: Redwall Musician on June 23, 2011, 05:29:44 PM
Was Brian Jacques Catholic? Sorry it is random.
In an interview with Fast Forward, he describes himself as a working-class Irish Catholic from Liverpool...which meant that he never felt okay with just hanging around...he always felt like he should be working! Which meant more Redwall books for us to enjoy!
heres the link to the interview- it's quite good actually:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3nu5j_brian-jacques-fast-forward-intervie_people (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3nu5j_brian-jacques-fast-forward-intervie_people)
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Quote from: Wot Wot! on June 25, 2011, 03:10:19 AM
heres the link to the interview- it's quite good actually:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3nu5j_brian-jacques-fast-forward-intervie_people (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3nu5j_brian-jacques-fast-forward-intervie_people)
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EEEEEE! AAAAAAHH thanks for that link! I had't seen this interview before! <3
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Quote from: Wot Wot! on June 25, 2011, 03:10:19 AM
heres the link to the interview- it's quite good actually:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3nu5j_brian-jacques-fast-forward-intervie_people (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3nu5j_brian-jacques-fast-forward-intervie_people)
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EEEEEE! AAAAAAHH thanks for that link! I had't seen this interview before! <3
LOL- you're quite welcome!
Thanks for posting that up, quite interesting and entertaining.
My favorite place in mossflower would probably be the underground castle. How can you go wrong with treasure and glow in the dark mud?
Quote from: Storm on July 03, 2011, 03:17:46 PM
My favorite place in mossflower would probably be the underground castle. How can you go wrong with treasure and glow in the dark mud?
Kotir Castle's ruins are pretty cool. I just wish it wasn't swarming with blind toads. :P
Quote from: Osu on June 23, 2011, 09:57:46 PM
I always figured St. Ninian's was something like the horse from the first book - it got a different meaning as the series progressed. Started out as a home for the churchmice - you know the saying, "poor as a church mouse?" - but if there's no religion in Redwall, as BJ has said, then what was it a church for? Not that it matters since it was burned down, of course. ;)
Speaking of places in Mossflower, I'm interested in where the path outside the abbey starts and ends, and who made it.
Hmmmm... Was the path in the book Mossflower? Sorry I don't have the books in front of me. Because If it wasn't, maybe it was put in for travelers after redwall was built?
Quote from: Captain Tammo on July 04, 2011, 03:13:24 AM
Hmmmm... Was the path in the book Mossflower? Sorry I don't have the books in front of me. Because If it wasn't, maybe it was put in for travelers after redwall was built?
I can't remember, either - haven't read the book in a while. I'm pretty sure it wasn't, but there WAS a ditch Martin and Co. had to polevault across.
I wonder where the ditch came from?
^ See the Redwall topic in this section for the ditch discussion. Just read a lot about it and added my two pennies. ;)
St. Ninians was an idea that just kind of fell out of favor once the churchmice went to live at Redwall. Why keep bringing up the place, that apparently nobody in the abbey really knew much about? Maybe it explains the path that others are mentioning here. If the church was more active in times past, maybe St. Ninians had some sort of connection to the abbey, and thus a path was necessary.
I just reread Mossflower, so maybe I might be able to take one or two educated guesses on some of these questions.
I believe the path outside Kotir (and presumably Redwall) was already said to be an old road, even by Mossflower. Bane came to Kotir by it; other than that, I don't think it saw much use in the story (since the Corim fought mostly a guerilla war).
As far as the ditch goes, if I had to take a guess, I'd think it might be connected somehow with the flooding tunnels the moles built into Kotir, but this is only a guess, and I don't remember whether we ever hear enough about the ditch itself to know for sure.
Yes, I believe the ditch was for, if it ever flooded, it was there to hold some of the water.
However, It's not certain the Redwallers dug the ditch. They may have just bult the Abbey there because the ditch was there, and several other reasons too.
I think the ditch is just sort of one of those things that we'll never know the answer to. Maybe Brian Jaques didn't even create it with a history--it could be just something that was convenient for Cluny's horde to hide it. But it's still fun to speculate! :)
On the subject of the "This ain't Ninians" song, it is from The Legend of Luke, but it was sung by Windred, I believe. Whoever sang it was in the cave with Luke, because a little one asked if Saint Ninians was real, and he responded with something like, "Aye, it's real enough; I was born there, and my wife Sayna too."
On a completely random note, I've found that making up my own tunes to the songs from Redwall books and singing them is rather enjoyable. Especially the song about "Algy and Bobbs and me" from....I think it's Rakkety Tam, and the song about the weasels from Outcast of Redwall. :)
Could someone post that song, This Ain't Ninians? I don't happen to own that book. Sounds like an awfully good song. :D
I wonder what ever happened to Saint Ninian's in the later books
^ I know the Redwallers destroyed the old church (after Mattimeo?) because the building had housed evil and was not being used as a home or church any longer.
I could be wrong because I haven't read the book in forever, but I believe that the Redwallers burned it in Pearls of Lutra because magpies had moved in and when some Redwallers went in to get one of the pearls a magpie had stolen, the birds killed one of them. :( I'll see if I can find the lyrics to Saint Ninians. :)
Ok, here are the lyrics :D
Old Ninian mouse and his goodwife,
Needed a house to build,
They had a family grown so large,
Their tent was overfilled.
To setting sun the old wife toiled,
From daybreak in the east
But Ninian was a lazy mouse,
Who loved to sleep and feast.
The wife heaved stone and carried wood,
For door and wall and beam,
Whilst Ninian idly in daylight
Snored on in peaceful dream.
She raised the gables, built a roof,
Her back was bent and sore,
As Ninian ate up all the food,
And loudly called for more.
So when the house at last was built,
His wife nailed up a sign,
Which stated 'THIS AINT NINIANS!'
She said, 'That shows 'tis mine!'
Then when the countless seasons passed,
And all within had died
The rain and storm of ages long,
Had swept the sign outside.
It washed the first three letter out,
But left the rest intact,
That sign now reads, 'S AINT NINIANS!'
A church? A joke? A fact!
So traveler if you read the sign, Then take my word 'tis true,
A dreamer can because a saint,
So can a glutton too!
^ Now that's a funny song! :D Thanks for posting it!
I actually just read through the part with that song in it. And THEN I remembered reading it in grade school. :D It certainly does a lot to take out whatever religion there existed in the series, or implications thereof.
Where's it from???
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As Dotti mentioned, Windred (Martin's grandmother) sang the song in Legend of Luke.
Quote from: Dotti on July 22, 2011, 10:10:45 PM
On the subject of the "This ain't Ninians" song, it is from The Legend of Luke, but it was sung by Windred, I believe. Whoever sang it was in the cave with Luke, because a little one asked if Saint Ninians was real, and he responded with something like, "Aye, it's real enough; I was born there, and my wife Sayna too."
oh. Thanks! ;D
By the way, I'm reading the Legend of Luke. :D
St. Ninian's is neat. Why do several villans want to take it over?
Quote from: PluggFiretail on December 22, 2012, 03:54:18 AM
St. Ninian's is neat. Why do several villans want to take it over?
B/c It is a shelter close to Redwall abbbey.
Does it appear again after they destroy it in Pearls of Lutra(i think it's in that book)?
Quote from: Redwaller on December 22, 2012, 03:10:05 PM
Does it appear again after they destroy it in Pearls of Lutra(i think it's in that book)?
I don't think so.
Ok.
Rolo had it burned, right? Why?
Quote from: Captain Tammo on December 28, 2012, 08:49:13 PM
Rolo had it burned, right? Why?
B/c it was a home to evil... and the maid died.
I was really sad when she died.
I know, that's why I didn't like that book as much as the others.
Quote from: Leatho Shellhound on December 28, 2012, 09:25:33 PM
I know, that's why I didn't like that book as much as the others.
But Rolo was right: ever since it was built, it was used for thw whim of evil. Wouldn't that justify it getting burned down?
He meant that he didn't like it since the maid died.