Redwall Abbey

The one thing about Redwall is that the islands in the ocean and the islands on the lakes to the south mysteriously dissapear.OK they dont dissapear but maybe they are all the same. To name a few: mariel of redwall that is where gabool lived and in the same place was green isle from high rughlain also peace island from triss and  what ever happened to those rocks that luke's ship crashed on in legened of luke or sampetra from pearls of lutra and where did rapscalions come from? ??? With islands inland we have castle marl where the marlfoxes lived and that island that urthwyte and his grandmother were on and so many more!What became of them all were they all the same lake or all the same island no one knows but here you can decide for yourself  ;) Tell me if you think or remember any more mysterious dissaperences to add to the poll :)You got a point there captain tamm.

Well, I think it's pretty clear that the huge lake and the island in the middle are the same.  I agree that it would be nice if some of the places appeared in the stories again, but it would be rather impractical to include even most of them in a single book since they are so far apart.  I 'm almost positive that Green Isle and Terramort are not the same place.  They seem to have different terrain.  I think Mr. J might have just not really paid much attention to the descriptions of the locations of the places thus giving the impression that they were in the same place.  After all, he was writing a story, not drawing a map.  I really don't worry about the location of stuff too much, although it is an interesting point.

Well, I think the rocks mentioned in Legend of Luke were still there because none of the stories ever went back there again

Given the fact a lot of the later Redwall stories were "tales from Redwall" implies stories, not something that was meant to exist in the Redwall universe.  Even mice can tell good stories I guess.  They aren't cartographers--leave that for Boldred and her kin. ;)

The islands may appear in the same spot of the map, but if you read closely, Brian put their distances from each other at different lengths. From "beyond where the sun sets" to "a couple of days out."

Quote from: Lutra on October 15, 2011, 12:14:09 PM
Given the fact a lot of the later Redwall stories were "tales from Redwall" implies stories, not something that was meant to exist in the Redwall universe.  Even mice can tell good stories I guess.  They aren't cartographers--leave that for Boldred and her kin. ;)

Your first sentence almost ruined Redwall for me. Almost.

Yeah, they're all meant to be true. But, if you wrote a series that took place across the globe, would you really only visit three or four, given how many islands, isles, or anything that there is across the globe? My guess is no, you'd visit as many as you could.

true, but if you look, some of the islands are in the same place as others in the map, but about visiting as many isles as you could, some otters could have, but keep in mind that the main characters are mostly woodlanders.

It just seems that there are lakes and islands in the same place.It would be intresting if the hill/cave that became a lake in Doomwyte was later the lake in marlfox then marlfox castle blew down somehow and it became the lake with the island that Urthwyte was found on ;) Tecknecly that could'nt happen.

Quote from: Captain Tammo on October 16, 2011, 04:17:42 PM
The islands may appear in the same spot of the map, but if you read closely, Brian put their distances from each other at different lengths. From "beyond where the sun sets" to "a couple of days out."

this guys right you know.

You know Irgash Isle from The Rogue Crew? Well, I had this idea that maybe it's the same as Green Isle from High Rhulain. Maybe the Wearat took over it and renamed it. ;D

Quote from: Tiria Wildlough on September 29, 2012, 09:11:31 AM
You know Irgash Isle from The Rogue Crew? Well, I had this idea that maybe it's the same as Green Isle from High Rhulain. Maybe the Wearat took over it and renamed it. ;D

That would be cool. The Rogue Crew it the next book I am going to read after I finish Rakkety Tam.

I finished the Rogue Crew in August. it was pretty good.

My brother an I wondered that so when I'm done the series I'm going to go to the library and just make a map.

Quote from: 321tumbler on November 04, 2012, 02:36:31 AM
My brother an I wondered that so when I'm done the series I'm going to go to the library and just make a map.

Yes well they already have one. Called The Redwall Map and Riddler.

It shows the Islands on it but it was made before all the books were writen.....which mean that not all of the Islands are shown.

(http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080410214438/redwall/images/d/d5/Redwallmap.jpg)

Well, that helps somewhat.

Okay, thanks.

Quote from: Leatho Shellhound on September 29, 2012, 06:41:35 PM

Quote from: Tiria Wildlough on September 29, 2012, 09:11:31 AM
You know Irgash Isle from The Rogue Crew? Well, I had this idea that maybe it's the same as Green Isle from High Rhulain. Maybe the Wearat took over it and renamed it. ;D

That would be cool. The Rogue Crew it the next book I am going to read after I finish Rakkety Tam.

Then why are the only ones on the Redwall Map Terramort and Sampetra? Hey it's a good point.

Quote from: Lord Gorath on November 18, 2012, 01:03:00 AM
Then why are the only ones on the Redwall Map Terramort and Sampetra?

Because it was made while the books were being writen, So when BJ wote other books he added new places. thats why they aren't on the map.

The map covers Martin the Warrior, Mossflower, Outcasts of redwall, Mariel of Redwall, The Bellmaker, Salamandastron, Redwall, Mattimeo, The pearls of Lutra, and the Long Patrol.

What the artist did forget was Great Plateau, from Mattimeo.

Quote from: winifred on October 10, 2011, 12:12:04 AM
With islands inland we have castle marl where the marlfoxes lived and that island that urthwyte and his grandmother were on

I think the Marlfoxes and Urthwhyte lived on the same island, just in different times.
I believe in the book Marlfox, the ghost/spirit thing created by the queen's daughter to scare her mother to death was based off of Urthwhyte. I also believe it mentions that the tribe of Marlfoxs' came once they knew Urthwhyte/ or as they thought, the ghost,  was gone. and in Salmandraston Urthwhyte mentions that he would holler to scare off vermin.

It has been awhile since I have read either book, but I hope my memory has served me right.

Yeah, that is pretty confusing. Although I can see how some Islands (Castle Marl/Urthwhite and Peace Island/Rudderang) can be the same.
I think that Rudderang and Peace Island could be the same... the high cliff faces of Rudderang could have orn down to about half as tall... making Peace Island. Same(about[I think]) geographical locations, too.