How large are the characters in respect to each other, humans (if there), and the environment?
I like to imagine them our size but that's just me. If they were compared to us, I would make them rounded about the same size. Like I would make the mouse a bit bigger and the ,say, badger a bit smaller. As for the enviroment scale, I would say they are about our size and height compared to the trees and bushes.
I've always thought our size compared to trees and bushes, but the badgers are the biggest. :D
Quote from: BadgerLordFiredrake on July 27, 2013, 02:42:06 AM
I've always thought our size compared to trees and bushes, but the badgers are the biggest. :D
you calling me fat! :D
ive always seen foxes to be half the size of a human
cats and mice as big as house cats
Otters taller and slimmer than mice
badgers as big as a large human
Hey, I'm a badger too!
Yay! Badgers are probly my favorite animals
I always just thought they were real animal sizes, although that of course means a mouse or shrew would look small next to a hare or badger ... one of the problems when using a mixture of animals in a story.
The building like the Abbey would then of course also be scaled down to the animal sizes rather than human sizes.
Disregarding Redwall and the scale of the Abbey, I would say for each species an average (mean, so not reflecting moles like Axtel or tiny squirrels, etc) height in a human context in my mind would be:
Mouse - 5ft
Squirrel - <6ft
Mole - <5ft
Hedgehog - 5ft
Otter - >6ft
Shrew - <4ft
Hare - >6ft
Badger - 10ft
Now take all that and scale it down to the height of a normal squirrel (so trees are much larger for example).
Edit: I should say, they must be scaled down, otherwise how would something like Brockhall be possible.
Edit 2: Also the landscape scales aren't consistent anyway.
If I wasn't typing this from a phone, I'd normalise all those heights above, and have them without any units; so mouse could be 1, squirrel 1.2, mole 0.9, hare 1.4, badger 2.0, and so on.
Quote from: curunen on July 27, 2013, 12:33:16 PM
Mouse - 5ft
Squirrel - <6ft
Mole - <5ft
Hedgehog - 5ft
Otter - >6ft
Shrew - <4ft
Hare - >6ft
Badger - 10ft
And what about for the vermin?
Typing in phone => pain to format large posts, hence left out vermin. But for reference:
Rat ~1.1 (5-6ft)
Fox ~1.4 (>6ft)
Weasel ~1.3
These are all of the top of my head and completely arbitrary. I'm not even being accurate with the numbers - all just ballpark figures, for reference.
I think squirrels and mice and moles would be around 5'5" to 5' 10", hares 6', and badgers 7', with shrews about 5'.
Rats about the same as mice. Weasels, ferrets, stoats, ermine, and sables equal to hares, and wolverines equal to badgers.
I imagine badgers as really tall like 7 or 8 ft otters a little shorter than an average badger which is about 6 hedgehogs and moles about the same height which is about 5 and mice and squirrels as 4 or 5 shrews as 3 or a tall shrew as 4 or something like that ;)
It's tricky. I imagine that the trees and such grow as they do normally. The characters I kind of think are meant to be the 'natural' sizes that they would be put against each other, and yet it does suit them to be a little more close in size: I just can't picture a large badger lord being able to efficiently run a long with a piddly 'warrior' mouse - it's just too much! If you do put them against natural tree sizes and such, then perhaps they are all meant to be taller. I can't see them as being as tall as humans, not much over five foot, if even that close. I'm really not too sure on this question!
It's very cute to imagine the scale of Redwall Abbey if the animals were of natural size. :D
Quote from: MeadowRabbit on July 28, 2013, 03:28:08 PM
It's very cute to imagine the scale of Redwall Abbey if the animals were of natural size. :D
awwwwwww that would be sooooooooooo cute ;D
Stoats.... are... SMALLER... than rabbits/hares?
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2f/Stoat_killing_a_rabbit.jpg) Stoat is killing a rabbit.
Yep, stoats aren't much bigger than weasels!
Quote from: curunen on July 27, 2013, 12:33:16 PM
Mouse - 5ft
Squirrel - <6ft
Mole - <5ft
Hedgehog - 5ft
Otter - >6ft
Shrew - <4ft
Hare - >6ft
Badger - 10ft
I was thinking like that, but also
Rat - 5-5.5 ft
Weasel - 5.25-5.75 ft
Stoat - 5.25-5.75 ft
Ferret - 5.5-6 ft
Pine Marten - 5.75-6.25 ft
Fox - 6-6.5 ft
These would just be averages, though. There would always be exceptions
Quote from: BadgerLordFiredrake on July 28, 2013, 03:55:56 PM
Stoats.... are... SMALLER... than rabbits/hares?
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2f/Stoat_killing_a_rabbit.jpg) Stoat is killing a rabbit.
That's scary. :o
Yea...
if stoats can overpower rabbits/hares like that, the badger lords have no chance....
SCARY :o :o :o
As Yoda says: Judge me by my size, do you?
MUCH MUCH MUCH smaller things can kill large animals and man ... just look at viruses. :)
I was told about stoats and weasels taking down rabbits and didint belive it until i reserched it
it would be quite easy to kill the rabbit as you see the stoat in the picture is biting the neck and killing or stoping it from moving so can eat it (i think they mostly drink the blood)
Quote from: phoenixfoden on July 30, 2013, 03:28:36 AM
... is biting the neck and killing or stoping it from moving so can eat it ...
Like most carnivores, they usually aim for the front of the neck to cut the main artery. Biting the back of the neck isn't going to achieve much, although it may calm the prey animal down if it taps into the old reflexes of the mother animal carrying it around as a baby. They usually hunt by going down the burrow and trapping the rabbit in the tunnels.
I reckon that one is just practicing for the Watership Down Grand National races, or has seen The Lone Ranger a few too many times ("Hi ho Fluffy, and away!"). ;)
Quote from: phoenixfoden on July 30, 2013, 03:28:36 AM
... (i think they mostly drink the blood)
You're thinking of the Vampire Voles from the Welking Weasels stories. ;)
That's not a nice pic! :o Weasel's are reallllly small! When I saw a stuffed one at a museum I was surprised at just how teeny they are. Especially after being used to the rather big weasel in The Animals of Farthing Wood (the scale varied a lot in the series!).
Ah, Animals of Farthing Wood... now that was great. Mildly traumatic mind you!
Regarding scale comparisons between species in Redwall, going from shortest to tallest, without numbers, and ignoring a lot of things like pygmy shrews and gerbils, I put:
shrew
mole (very close to mouse)
mouse ~ hedgehog
rat ~ squirrel
ferret ~ weasel ~ stoat ~ fox ~ otter ~ hare (depends on individual characters)
wildcat ~ badger
Quote from: MeadowRabbit on July 30, 2013, 12:24:26 PM
That's not a nice pic! :o Weasel's are reallllly small! When I saw a stuffed one at a museum I was surprised at just how teeny they are. Especially after being used to the rather big weasel in The Animals of Farthing Wood (the scale varied a lot in the series!).
Fortunately zat vaz nae a real Weasel, merely juzt a trick tae make zem zink zat zey 'ad vone. Really it vaz 'appily an' perfectly zafe.
Weasels Rule!!!
Quote from: Buzz_Bumble on July 30, 2013, 07:51:25 AM
Quote from: phoenixfoden on July 30, 2013, 03:28:36 AM
... is biting the neck and killing or stoping it from moving so can eat it ...
Like most carnivores, they usually aim for the front of the neck to cut the main artery. Biting the back of the neck isn't going to achieve much, although it may calm the prey animal down if it taps into the old reflexes of the mother animal carrying it around as a baby. They usually hunt by going down the burrow and trapping the rabbit in the tunnels.
I reckon that one is just practicing for the Watership Down Grand National races, or has seen The Lone Ranger a few too many times ("Hi ho Fluffy, and away!"). ;)
Quote from: phoenixfoden on July 30, 2013, 03:28:36 AM
... (i think they mostly drink the blood)
You're thinking of the Vampire Voles from the Welking Weasels stories. ;)
yes just reserched it and they do bite the nape of then neck to kill the prey although most rabbits die of shock as the teeth are too short to reach major arteries,they then lap up the blood.
they aslo do a kind of dance that mesmerises the rabbit making it able to jump on its back and bite.
Unlike vampire voles they dont live in coffins and are not lead by a stoat duracula :D