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Brian Jacques' Works (Spoilers) => Character Discussion => Topic started by: Conrad the Painless on February 25, 2016, 01:13:13 AM

Title: Slagar's Significance.
Post by: Conrad the Painless on February 25, 2016, 01:13:13 AM
Slagar's Significance...

Personally, one of my favorite Redwall books is Mattimeo. One of the many reasons I love it so much is due to the unique and interesting character known as Slagar the Cruel (Or Chickenhound, as previously known).

The definitive visual characteristics of this character are part of what makes him so appealing. But, upon further thought, I realized that he poses a much more significant role in the series.

He is the one that led the Redwallers to the rediscovery of Loamhedge. (Although costing him his life)

Do you think that this is a fact? If I'm wrong in this aspect, please notify me immediately, just to save me from the embarrassment.
Title: Re: Slagar's Significance.
Post by: Groddil on February 25, 2016, 01:15:22 AM
Slagar was definitely one of my favorite characters. I like how, not only did he survive his first book, but he also returned as a villain in two books, something unheard of in any other Redwall books.
Title: Re: Slagar's Significance.
Post by: Conrad the Painless on February 25, 2016, 01:16:59 AM
Quote from: Groddil on February 25, 2016, 01:15:22 AM
Slagar was definitely one of my favorite characters. I like how, not only did he survive his first book, but he also returned as a villain in two books, something unheard of in any other Redwall books.

IN two other books besides the first one?
Title: Re: Slagar's Significance.
Post by: Groddil on February 25, 2016, 01:19:06 AM
Well, no. He was a minor villain in Redwall and a major one in Mattimeo. Only woodlanders usually appear in 2 books.
Title: Re: Slagar's Significance.
Post by: Ashleg on February 25, 2016, 01:24:37 AM
What about Ripfang, wasn't he in two books?
Title: Re: Slagar's Significance.
Post by: Groddil on February 25, 2016, 01:31:38 AM
Quote from: Ashleg on February 25, 2016, 01:24:37 AM
What about Ripfang, wasn't he in two books?

Oh, yeah, he was too. Although whether or not they're the same rat is up for debate. For instance, Lord Brocktree, a badger lord in his prime, is about the same age as Ripfang. Yet somehow Ripfang lives on until Brocktree's son is old and grey, whilst still appearing pretty young himself.
Title: Re: Slagar's Significance.
Post by: Ashleg on February 25, 2016, 02:26:43 AM
Simple answer: Ripfang is immortal.

Either that or he just lived a lon time.
But I'm going with option one. ;D
Title: Re: Slagar's Significance.
Post by: Jukka the Sling on February 25, 2016, 02:27:11 AM
Brian Jacques explicitly stated that the two Ripfangs aren't the same guy.
Title: Re: Slagar's Significance.
Post by: Ashleg on February 25, 2016, 02:28:11 AM
Ah. Never heard that.
Title: Re: Slagar's Significance.
Post by: Groddil on February 25, 2016, 03:18:55 AM
Quote from: Jukka the Sling on February 25, 2016, 02:27:11 AM
Brian Jacques explicitly stated that the two Ripfangs aren't the same guy.

Yeah, that's what I thought.
Title: Re: Slagar's Significance.
Post by: Conrad the Painless on February 25, 2016, 04:21:35 AM
Either way, Slagar was definitely a character Mr. Jacques put a lot of time and thought into. Man, I really want a Slagar mask.
Title: Re: Slagar's Significance.
Post by: The Skarzs on February 26, 2016, 05:56:58 AM
Slagar was a very interesting character. His career choice was. . . odd, especially since there may have been better ways of getting revenge on Matthias than his elaborate scheme.

One thing I've always really liked about Mattimeo is how frustratingly despairing it could be at some times. You really root for the good guys, young creatures who don't deserve captivity, and when they finally escape, we all think it's going to be alright. And Matthias and co. are so close to getting their loved ones back, both parties nearly touching, when disaster strikes. You can feel the pain so strongly, the desperation. And then they're back on the chain, to a gloom like no other.

Slagar was definitely a good villain, in one of Brian's best written books.
Title: Re: Slagar's Significance.
Post by: Captain Tammo on February 28, 2016, 08:29:00 PM
Quote from: Conrad the Painless on February 25, 2016, 04:21:35 AM
Either way, Slagar was definitely a character Mr. Jacques put a lot of time and thought into. Man, I really want a Slagar mask.

Well I don't know where you could get a mask, but I've been doing some shoe shopping lately (as I am in a desperate need of some new ones) and decided I wanted to get some converse. When I was playing around with the customizer, I found an option that made the shoes look a lot like Slagar's mask.

(http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/ag195/Captain_Tammo/Slager%20Shoes_zpsqjglh9sy.png) (http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/Captain_Tammo/media/Slager%20Shoes_zpsqjglh9sy.png.html)

The shoes are $75 USD and you can create them on the converse website under "customize". The print here is called "multi print" It's not a mask, but I think its still pretty dang cool!
Title: Re: Slagar's Significance.
Post by: Captain Tammo on October 02, 2017, 10:04:08 PM
Quote from: The Skarzs on February 26, 2016, 05:56:58 AM
Slagar was a very interesting character. His career choice was. . . odd, especially since there may have been better ways of getting revenge on Matthias than his elaborate scheme.

If I recall it, Slagar was doing a deal with Malkariss to get a huge plot of land. So he was just hitting 2 birds with one stone. Sounds to me like he wanted to retire after this big journey lol
Title: Re: Slagar's Significance.
Post by: The Skarzs on October 05, 2017, 02:41:23 AM
If by retire you mean use some of the Malkariss slaves to build himself a castle to rule from then sure.
Title: Re: Slagar's Significance.
Post by: Captain Tammo on October 08, 2017, 03:37:31 AM
Well, yes. And then eventually use his power to seal Malkariss and kill everyone inside so everything above and below was his.

But aside from thinking and bossing people around, he, in theory, wasn't going to be doing much other than conquering!
Title: Re: Slagar's Significance.
Post by: a crumb on October 08, 2017, 05:50:17 AM
Would his plan be to seal the whole underground kingdom apart though? Or would we want to rule that in addition to any above kingdom? Was there actually settleable land above in those parts? I guess it's an open question if Slagar would have been more of an above ground, or below ground, ruler.

Though, come to think of it, I guess we could just ask, and he would probably tell us he doesn't enjoy being underground. I'm trying really hard to make a well joke
Title: Re: Slagar's Significance.
Post by: The Skarzs on October 09, 2017, 07:55:15 PM
Ha. Ha ha. HA HA HA H-*Snaps my own neck.*

Quote from: Captain Tammo on October 08, 2017, 03:37:31 AM
Well, yes. And then eventually use his power to seal Malkariss and kill everyone inside so everything above and below was his.

But aside from thinking and bossing people around, he, in theory, wasn't going to be doing much other than conquering!
Which is pretty much what most other vermin were doing.
Gabool the Wild was probably the most retired of any vermin, and even then he still did stuff.
Title: Re: Slagar's Significance.
Post by: Ashleg on October 09, 2017, 09:05:56 PM
Same with Badrang.