Hi,
How come Felldoh is mentioned in Mossflower as someone who is from Luke's Caves but in Martin the Warrior, Martin just met him in Marshank (sp)?
Thanks.
Al
Mossflower is after Martin the Warrior in chronology. The events of Martin the Warrior happened before, so Martin had already met him and befriended him, though Felldoh wasn't from the caves of Luke.
At the end of Martin the Warrior, Martin vowed to never mention the events that took place in Marshank. It's possible that's why he said Felldoh was simply his friend from the north - he didn't want to mention the days of Marshank or Noonvale.
Felldoh was one of my favorites! I agree with
Quote from: Lily on July 06, 2011, 02:34:46 PM
At the end of Martin the Warrior, Martin vowed to never mention the events that took place in Marshank. It's possible that's why he said Felldoh was simply his friend from the north - he didn't want to mention the days of Marshank or Noonvale.
I believe you misread it. The only warrior I can think of that was referenced to in Mossflower and lived in Lukes caves was Timballisto.
@Galedeep: Martin, when talking to Gonff, mentioned more than Timballisto. He drew reference to several others, including a "Felldoh the Wrestler". Some of these are only ever mentioned then. They could have been some of Luke's tribe, or Marshank slaves, or others.
Quote from: Taggerung_of_Redwall on July 06, 2011, 04:56:52 PM
@Galedeep: Martin, when talking to Gonff, mentioned more than Timballisto. He drew reference to several others, including a "Felldoh the Wrestler". Some of these are only ever mentioned then. They could have been some of Luke's tribe, or Marshank slaves, or others.
Oh that's right. I forgot that part, sorry.
Quote from: Galedeep on July 06, 2011, 05:00:52 PM
Quote from: Taggerung_of_Redwall on July 06, 2011, 04:56:52 PM
@Galedeep: Martin, when talking to Gonff, mentioned more than Timballisto. He drew reference to several others, including a "Felldoh the Wrestler". Some of these are only ever mentioned then. They could have been some of Luke's tribe, or Marshank slaves, or others.
That's right, he did, and in fact I just remembered that.
Oh that's right. I forgot that part, sorry.
We all forget things! It's no shame.
Maybe it's because BJ wrote Mossflower before Martin the Warrior.
Quote from: Alessandro Reinares on July 06, 2011, 09:59:56 PM
Maybe it's because BJ wrote Mossflower before Martin the Warrior.
This too. ;) He probably remembered a name he used and decided to flesh the character out.
Quote from: Lily on July 07, 2011, 12:19:23 AM
Quote from: Alessandro Reinares on July 06, 2011, 09:59:56 PM
Maybe it's because BJ wrote Mossflower before Martin the Warrior.
This too. ;) He probably remembered a name he used and decided to flesh the character out.
Yeah, that's probably the case. You can sort of combine those explanations by saying Martin vowed not to speak of those events, but decided to say Felldoh was from his original home because Felldoh is just too awesome to leave out of the picture! ;D
Felldoh passed away in MTW. The character in Mossflower, and The Legend of Luke couldn't be the same character as in MTW because those are later in chronology.
Felloh is not in the books, he is just mentioned. He is just so awesome that he had to be talked about in more then one book.
Quote from: Felldoh450 on July 08, 2011, 03:04:20 PM
Felldoh passed away in MTW. The character in Mossflower, and The Legend of Luke couldn't be the same character as in MTW because those are later in chronology.
Felldoh was not mentioned in the Legend of Luke
Think of it this way. Theres more than one person named John in the world, I'm sure somewhere in the redwall world, there's been creatures with the same name. Like gingivere the cat (spelling) in redwall and Mossflower
Quote from: Captain Tammo on July 12, 2011, 07:57:05 AM
Think of it this way. Theres more than one person named John in the world, I'm sure somewhere in the redwall world, there's been creatures with the same name. Like gingivere the cat (spelling) in redwall and Mossflower
But the Gingivere in Redwall was a decendant of Gingivere in Mossflower.
There are two animals named Buckler I believe. A mole in
Martin the Warrior, and the hare in
Sable Queen. But they are not the same species. But I'm pretty sure Martin was mentioning the same Felldoh. But Felldoh is only in one book, and mentioned in an other.
Quote from: Lily on July 06, 2011, 02:34:46 PM
At the end of Martin the Warrior, Martin vowed to never mention the events that took place in Marshank. It's possible that's why he said Felldoh was simply his friend from the north - he didn't want to mention the days of Marshank or Noonvale.
Very true! ^^
Felldoh is simply the best
Quote from: Captain Tammo on July 12, 2011, 07:57:05 AM
Think of it this way. Theres more than one person named John in the world, I'm sure somewhere in the redwall world, there's been creatures with the same name. Like gingivere the cat (spelling) in redwall and Mossflower
I highly doubt Brian Jacques based his naming of Felldoh on that principle.
However, Thrugg the Strong and Arrowtail are nowhere in the book. Neither are they in the beginning of the 2nd book of Legend of Luke. Which suggests that Martin was not ENTIRELY truthful.
Not at all. Just because they didn't appear doesn't mean he lied about their existence. He wouldn't have said anything if they didn't exist.
One thing that's clear however is that Martin had little, if any, interaction with them if they even existed. It's not line he got to know very many characters during his short time on the west coast/slavery in Marshank. Considering he completely left out the parts about Noonvale and that Felldoh never earned the title of Wrestler in the book I'd be doubtful of the characters' existence.
Quote from: daskar666 on July 12, 2011, 08:36:43 PM
One thing that's clear however is that Martin had little, if any, interaction with them if they even existed. It's not line he got to know very many characters during his short time on the west coast/slavery in Marshank. Considering he completely left out the parts about Noonvale and that Felldoh never earned the title of Wrestler in the book I'd be doubtful of the characters' existence.
That's a good point. Maybe it was one of his fathers friends that he was told about but never met because Daskar killed him? That's a long shot though.
Quote from: Taggerung_of_Redwall on July 09, 2011, 07:23:17 PM
Felldoh was not mentioned in the Legend of Luke
You are right he was NOT mentioned in TLOL. I think maybe once in Mossflower, but not in TLOL.
Maybe it was just an error on brian's part?
Quote from: daskar666 on July 12, 2011, 08:13:00 PM
Quote from: Captain Tammo on July 12, 2011, 07:57:05 AM
Think of it this way. Theres more than one person named John in the world, I'm sure somewhere in the redwall world, there's been creatures with the same name. Like gingivere the cat (spelling) in redwall and Mossflower
I highly doubt Brian Jacques based his naming of Felldoh on that principle.
However, Thrugg the Strong and Arrowtail are nowhere in the book. Neither are they in the beginning of the 2nd book of Legend of Luke. Which suggests that Martin was not ENTIRELY truthful.
I also just realized that Thrugg is also mentioned in Mossflower, while he was also a character in Salamandastron. But there is no way it was the same character, because of the different time periods
I guess Martin didn't want people knowing a lot about his past
I'm a fan of the squirrel warrior Felldoh largely due to the tv series. On another tangent altogether, anyone want to guess how Mr. Jacques came up with the name?
Quote from: Captain Tammo on July 18, 2011, 05:56:07 PM
I guess Martin didn't want people knowing a lot about his past
Well yeah, he said he'd never mention anything about The Battle of Marshank or Noonvale.
He clearly states this in the end of
Martin the Warrior
Quote from: Lutra on July 20, 2011, 12:59:02 AM
I'm a fan of the squirrel warrior Felldoh largely due to the tv series. On another tangent altogether, anyone want to guess how Mr. Jacques came up with the name?
I would like to know!
He probably got it from the Simpsons, Homer FELL and yelled "DOH!" ;D
Quote from: Captain Tammo on July 22, 2011, 01:16:42 AM
He probably got it from the Simpsons, Homer FELL and yelled "DOH!" ;D
;D ;D :D Now that was funny!
Quote from: Lutra on July 22, 2011, 02:17:42 AM
Quote from: Captain Tammo on July 22, 2011, 01:16:42 AM
He probably got it from the Simpsons, Homer FELL and yelled "DOH!" ;D
;D ;D :D Now that was funny!
Totally off topic.
Felldoh was my third favorite character in Martin the Warrior... :'(...WHY DID YOU HAVE TO DIE, FELLDOH?!?!
Have you noticed that only two squirrels have ever been bloodwrath-y in the series? Felldoh and Ranguvar Foeseeker. I like both of them!
Hmm...Never thought about that...
Have there been any other non-badger species that have felt the Bloodwrath other than squirrels?
Not that I know of. Deyna may have, but I don't remember. I'll have to dig out my copy of Taggerung again. It's been a while since I read it.
Bloodwrath page (http://redwall.wikia.com/wiki/Bloodwrath) on the Redwall Wiki.
As you can see, there's a lot of non-squirrels or badgers who were afflicted with Bloodwrath.
Yeah. But with some of them, it probably just said that they had the madness of battle upon them, or something. :P
No, all on that list were mentioned to have Bloodwrath or mentioned to possess red eyes or see red in their vision. It's not open for interpretation or debate.
The talk page has has some discussion on madness in battle, if you want to read that area.
Ah, that's cool. ;D Will do!
Felldoh disturbed me a little, specially in the TV show. He laughed as he fought, and generally acted like a crazy bloodwrath beast. I can't like him. >:(
I think he was pretty glad he was slaying slavers. Ending their lives meant ending lives being brought into slavery, which would benefit countless creatures. His passion for destroying evil was just maddened to a high point.
But that brings up my absolute biggest problem with the tv series. They had him go up to Marshank, steal a sword from Badrang, and have him get killed without anything of a fight, portraying him as frightened.
That compared to rushing forward, defeating Badrang, stealing the sword and beating him with it, and then slaying over a score of his beasts with wooden javelins.
Serious difference.
Well, hold on there! ;) Martin (and Martin II, for that matter) both showed signs of the Bloodwrath. Martin, Matthias, and Martin II were written to have eyes that "flashed red fire." Has anybody thought that maybe Brian's Bloodwrath was inspired (or at least influenced) by Rudyard Kipling's portrayal of how Rikki-Tikki-Tavi acted when enraged?
That's a good point. It is similar to Rikki-Tikki-Tavi
Quote from: Tiria Wildlough on August 16, 2011, 08:10:46 AM
Ah, that's cool. ;D Will do!
Felldoh disturbed me a little, specially in the TV show. He laughed as he fought, and generally acted like a crazy bloodwrath beast. I can't like him. >:(
:P EVERYONE seems to have the wrong idea of this guy!
I think Felldoh deserves more appearance on the front page (and more respect while we're at it! :P)
I LOVE Felldoh, he DID get a little hate-driven at the end (it was not madness, simply the anger that had welled in him for season upon season upon SEASON). He was cool. But why did he have to die!?!?!?!?
Was Felldoh older than Martin or younger?
I think he was quite a bit older.
The book implied older, but not by much. TV series....anyone's guess whether he sounded older. He sounded younger, but definitely not by much.