It's a big day everyone.
Netflix officially has the rights to Redwall.
https://redwall.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:LordTBT/News:Netflix_Gets_Rights_to_Redwall
It's so rare that we get NEW Redwall news, and this is the best type possible. I've been waiting for this for over half my life and I cannot wait to see it become real. I hope everyone is ready to share this journey with me.
I have doubts, but I hope this will be a good adaptation. And besides, nothing says it can't be. At the very least, more people will be introduced to the series!
All I'm asking for is this...
STAY CLOSE TO THE SOURCE MATERIAL!
(who thinks it will be done in realistic cg?)
At leat one of the writers has worked in on a cartoon, so it could go one way or the other.
Agreed! I really hope it's good because I've wanted one of these for so long! I personally think it won't be that great but I'll love it for what it is...
Oh wow, I just saw this! :o
I hope Netflix give this proper attention along the lines of some of their other big shows.
I also hope they don't stray too far adapting the material (ie Witcher), and give it a generous budget.
Quote from: Captain Wortshire on February 10, 2021, 05:35:05 PM
All I'm asking for is this...
STAY CLOSE TO THE SOURCE MATERIAL!
(who thinks it will be done in realistic cg?)
Hope they do make the most of modern tech. It's a tough one for style because everyone's got different visual style in mind, but I'd want to see some kind of "realistic" with various modifications for animal posture, clothing, holding weapons etc.
Exciting!! I am pleased the series is finally getting some more attention (well, the recent game helped). Now please don't dumb it down. :D
Darn it, I'd been recently hoping that someday in the future I could turn all 22 Redwall novels into movies, then do the same for The Urthblood Cycle. Netflix has beaten to me punch, at least on the first half. Just like Disney (sorta) beat me to punch of a live-action Lion King.
JINGS! Ach, Ah really dae 'ope zey make zure tae carry ziz oot good und create a major zeriez tae live up tae ze Redwall name! Ve dinnae 'ave Netflix, but may'apz if tiz major enough it moight come oot on video. Fingerz crozzed!
Disney juzt needz tae keep it'z filthy pavz off o' it!!!
Waking up to this news today was pretty surreal, but the crowning moment has been the overwhelmingly positive response to this news. The amount of old fans of the series that are coming out of the woodwork warms the heart. Personally speaking for myelf and people within my circle who have come back to reading the series this year, I hope that it finally gets the universal limelight it deserves.
A cinematic adaptation of the first book, followed by a series based on Martin the Warrior's cycle is imo the best way to introduce a wider crowd to the material, and then the producers can go from there.
Personally I hope they stay away from realistic CG and take a more creative path with some stylistic traditional animation. There's been a major resurgence this past decade in bringing back trad. styled animation, The Secret of Kells, Song of the Sea, and Wolfwalkers to name a few. There's a warmth and magic to traditional animation that I think would benefit Redwall far more than the CG route that Netflix has taken with much of its original programming. But I suppose time will tell??
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But seriously, this is some awesome news. Really made my day and I'm super exited to see this come out. Can't wait!
@The Skarzs,
please don't put horrid pictures like that up again! What am I even looking at?! I may have to start up my own courthouse and put you on trial for that!
I'm so excited for this! It sounds like it's finally gonna happen and not just fall through like the other time we thought we were getting a movie. Cannot WAIT.
Also fell for the rumour mill so many times as a child, to see it actually happening this time around is crazy. This simple announcement has gotten so much traction and trended today, I think if it truly turns out to be something great, will make terrific exposure for the series as a whole.
I only wish Brian was here to see this...
To say I am excited by this news is an understatement. I've waited for the day that Redwall finally gets mainstream attention for so long. I'm hoping that it will get the attention it deserves, leading to more people becoming fans and more merchandise made available.
A small theory on my part: the news of this deal reached our ears less than a week after the 10th anniversary of Brian's passing, indicating that maybe Brian's will had a directive that no adaptations would be made from Redwall for at least 10 years after his passing. I have no proof of this, but the timing is suspicious to me. The anniversary was on Friday, so perhaps the deal was finalized Monday, paperwork and such taking a day or two, leading to the announcement Wednesday?
Speculation aside, even if the series is less than faithful, I'm sure it will bring readers both old and new back into the community. Each of us should do everything we can to make any newcomers feel particularly welcome.
Quote from: Matthias720 on February 11, 2021, 06:33:07 AM
To say I am excited by this news is an understatement. I've waited for the day that Redwall finally gets mainstream attention for so long. I'm hoping that it will get the attention it deserves, leading to more people becoming fans and more merchandise made available.
A small theory on my part: the news of this deal reached our ears less than a week after the 10th anniversary of Brian's passing, indicating that maybe Brian's will had a directive that no adaptations would be made from Redwall for at least 10 years after his passing. I have no proof of this, but the timing is suspicious to me. The anniversary was on Friday, so perhaps the deal was finalized Monday, paperwork and such taking a day or two, leading to the announcement Wednesday?
Speculation aside, even if the series is less than faithful, I'm sure it will bring readers both old and new back into the community. Each of us should do everything we can to make any newcomers feel particularly welcome.
We can say we're confident this wasn't the case. However, the press release was likely released after the anniversary intentionally. Press releases rarely drop the day a deal is finalized. Wheels have likely been in motion for some time, and the screenplay has likely been in progress for at least a few months.
Ah vonder if zey're gaein' tae/'ave gaetten any o' ze people from zat Mossflower attempt zat vaz made yearz agae...
Zpeakin' o' vhich, Ah vonder if zey'll get any o' ze voice-actorz from ze original zeriez back fer ziz. Zat moight be intereztin'.
Well this is exciting. Given that it's Netflix, I feel we have similar chances for the adaptation to be really good or bad, but honestly, I'm feeling kinda hopeful for this one.
The Dragon Prince (made by Netflix) is regarded by some (myself included) to be the spiritual successor to the well-acclaimed
Avatar: the Last Airbender. I have full confidence that they are capable of the task, though I must add that I hope they're willing to maintain a certain level of the gruesomeness from the original book.
Quote from: Captain Wortshire on February 10, 2021, 05:35:05 PM
All I'm asking for is this...
STAY CLOSE TO THE SOURCE MATERIAL!
(who thinks it will be done in realistic cg?)
Doubtful, CGI like we see today would be incredibly expensive, most Netflix originals don't have Hollywood levels of funding behind them. Not to say they're underfunded, Netflix isn't poor, but it's not likely to compare to major titles backed by companies like Disney or Pixar. And on the source material end, expect changes, they always happen when converting books to digital format. That having been said, most Redwall stories lend themselves a bit better to that transition than other books. Given a bit of luck and a savvy writer, we may not be looking at core changes to the story.
I'm really hoping for good VA's, I wasn't too impressed with the original cartoon's voices.
Quote from: Dannflower Reguba on February 11, 2021, 11:50:08 PM
Doubtful, CGI like we see today would be incredibly expensive, most Netflix originals don't have Hollywood levels of funding behind them. Not to say they're underfunded, Netflix isn't poor, but it's not likely to compare to major titles backed by companies like Disney or Pixar.
Not to mention the Netflix attempt at 'realistic' CGI with Watership Down ended up being a bit... uncanny. I would hope if they did go down that route it would look more like The Lion King, but Netflix just doesn't have to budget to do something on that level, so probably 2D animation is safer, having a bit of a comeback, and can still look absolutely fantastic.
Quote from: Dannflower Reguba on February 11, 2021, 11:50:08 PM
I'm really hoping for good VA's, I wasn't too impressed with the original cartoon's voices.
As long as they don't sound like they are doing an anime dub, I'm down for anybody to do the voices.
Quote from: DanielofRedwall on February 12, 2021, 06:45:18 AM
Quote from: Dannflower Reguba on February 11, 2021, 11:50:08 PM
Doubtful, CGI like we see today would be incredibly expensive, most Netflix originals don't have Hollywood levels of funding behind them. Not to say they're underfunded, Netflix isn't poor, but it's not likely to compare to major titles backed by companies like Disney or Pixar.
Not to mention the Netflix attempt at 'realistic' CGI with Watership Down ended up being a bit... uncanny. I would hope if they did go down that route it would look more like The Lion King, but Netflix just doesn't have to budget to do something on that level, so probably 2D animation is safer, having a bit of a comeback, and can still look absolutely fantastic.
Going back to my original example of Dragon Prince, Netflix can absolutely do 3D animation (albeit, the first season was kinda scuffed, but that was more framerate than art). There's a distinct difference between 3D animation and realistic animation, especially when it comes down to all the hairs and fibers and whatnot.
Quote from: Captain Wortshire on February 12, 2021, 08:25:46 AM
Quote from: Dannflower Reguba on February 11, 2021, 11:50:08 PM
I'm really hoping for good VA's, I wasn't too impressed with the original cartoon's voices.
As long as they don't sound like they are doing an anime dub, I'm down for anybody to do the voices.
There are plenty of anime with good dubs. Though, from what I've heard, there's a serious problem with conveyance of emotion when it comes to how anime does it vs. the English language. That having been said, I don't care how much the voice doesn't fit, I would fly outa my seat if I heard Todd Haberkorn was a VA for these projects (he almost certainly won't, but I can dream).
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I hope they don't mind keeping the darker aspects. Despite the fairly simple morals and characters, reading the worst death thread makes me hope it doesn't just get overlooked and they stay close to the books.
I'm interested to see how they'll go about that though. As great as it would be to get the books in movie form, I'm cautiously optimistic to any expansion they have in mind. A great example of a movie that doesn't follow the book, but is still a great addition and contribution, is the 2011 Tintin movie. If they can manage the same way that'd be phenomenal
Netflix has said recently they want to compete with Disney. I bet the rights to a 22-book saga weren't cheap. And given the expanse of the fantasy world, as well as the incredibly positive response to the news, they're probably not going to nickel-and-dime the production.
I'm also hopeful the voice cast consists of some big names.
Ooh! This is VERY exiting! I hope they do Mossflower instead of Martin the Warrior. We've already seen MTW. Although, maybe they'll do a thing where they do BOTH. That'd be cool.
Any word on who'll be doing the music? Curious on what they're going to go for in terms of style and theme.
Quote from: clunylooney on February 13, 2021, 04:22:03 PM
Ooh! This is VERY exiting! I hope they do Mossflower instead of Martin the Warrior. We've already seen MTW. Although, maybe they'll do a thing where they do BOTH. That'd be cool.
I think you have to do both if you're adapting the "life" of Martin, right?
Quote from: Sailears on February 13, 2021, 05:16:40 PM
Any word on who'll be doing the music? Curious on what they're going to go for in terms of style and theme.
A bit too early to determine that.
Quote from: Sailears on February 13, 2021, 05:16:40 PM
Any word on who'll be doing the music? Curious on what they're going to go for in terms of style and theme.
Ah really enjoyed ze muzic from ze telivizion zeriez, zae Ah 'ope zey 'ave zummat zimilar tae zat...
Yes, that music was wonderful! I found the Redwall series through my older sisters, but since I was too young to read such large books the TV show was what really drew me into the world, in part because of the music and atmosphere. I have a lot of fond nostalgia for its music, and I bet if this new movie/show goes down a similar route there will be a lot of new little-Rosies to fall in love with it as well. I can't wait to see what they do!
Maybe set fire to Dumble and every Dibbun except Rollo, especially if they end like Pipkin in the 1999 Watership Down TV series.
I am over the moon at this news!
Though one has to wonder just HOW many books will be adapted...🤔
Because, unfortunately, they won't be able to get ALL of them. 😢
Shoot, knowing Netflix, they may just cancel it after the one season...👀
(let's just hope it's Mossflower since it didn't get a cartoon, but SHOULD have)
Quote from: JangoCoolguy on February 16, 2021, 05:43:19 AM
Though one has to wonder just HOW many books will be adapted...🤔
Because, unfortunately, they won't be able to get ALL of them. 😢
I mean i'm sure they'd do most of them if it's a show, assuming they'll do the traditional three episodes per book
Quote from: LordTBT on February 12, 2021, 07:41:12 PM
Netflix has said recently they want to compete with Disney. I bet the rights to a 22-book saga weren't cheap. And given the expanse of the fantasy world, as well as the incredibly positive response to the news, they're probably not going to nickel-and-dime the production.
Quote from: JangoCoolguy on February 16, 2021, 05:43:19 AM
Though one has to wonder just HOW many books will be adapted...🤔
(let's just hope it's Mossflower since it didn't get a cartoon, but SHOULD have)
I'm hopeful that "the life of Martin the Warrior" is inclusive of Martin the Warrior and Mossflower framework. It just makes sense.
For sure
this right here, this is a childhood dream being fulfilled
I have a vague memory of watching the animated series but I don't recall them being very high quality. I think CG could look very good for redwall
Quote from: LordTBT on February 12, 2021, 07:41:12 PM
Netflix has said recently they want to compete with Disney. I bet the rights to a 22-book saga weren't cheap. And given the expanse of the fantasy world, as well as the incredibly positive response to the news, they're probably not going to nickel-and-dime the production.
I'm also hopeful the voice cast consists of some big names.
Tim Curry big? ;D
The original series had Tim Curry, as Slagar (ignoring the novel stating Slagar had a hoarse, rasping voice, as if he had a throat injury). Honestly, in terms of voice acting, I hope they get voices that sound like the ones BJ did for the audiobooks.
Quote from: The Skarzs on February 17, 2021, 01:12:51 AM
Quote from: LordTBT on February 12, 2021, 07:41:12 PM
Netflix has said recently they want to compete with Disney. I bet the rights to a 22-book saga weren't cheap. And given the expanse of the fantasy world, as well as the incredibly positive response to the news, they're probably not going to nickel-and-dime the production.
I'm also hopeful the voice cast consists of some big names.
Tim Curry big? ;D
That would be great. But I'm under the impression Mr. Curry isn't working too much anymore. He had a stroke in 2012 that left him paralyzed and affected his speaking, and this seems unknown by a lot of people.
Quote from: LordTBT on February 17, 2021, 07:13:25 PM
Quote from: The Skarzs on February 17, 2021, 01:12:51 AM
Quote from: LordTBT on February 12, 2021, 07:41:12 PM
Netflix has said recently they want to compete with Disney. I bet the rights to a 22-book saga weren't cheap. And given the expanse of the fantasy world, as well as the incredibly positive response to the news, they're probably not going to nickel-and-dime the production.
I'm also hopeful the voice cast consists of some big names.
Tim Curry big? ;D
That would be great. But I'm under the impression Mr. Curry isn't working too much anymore. He had a stroke in 2012 that left him paralyzed and affected his speaking, and this seems unknown by a lot of people.
If they could get him for even one or two lines as a cameo, I think that would be great.
give me a john cleese basil stag hare and i will be the happiest fragment of bread the world has ever seen
Quote from: Tungro on February 16, 2021, 03:31:52 PM
I mean i'm sure they'd do most of them if it's a show, assuming they'll do the traditional three episodes per book
3 episodes is far too short to adapt most tales. Heck, the old show took 13 episodes a book,and STILL left some stuff out. (Though that wasn't a good idea for
Redwall.)
Though that's another thing one has to wonder about: how many episodes should they do per book? 13 a book like the old show? Or however many it takes to tell the story. The later, longer books would certainly need more than a episodes... :-\
Quote from: JangoCoolguy on February 18, 2021, 02:52:41 AM
Quote from: Tungro on February 16, 2021, 03:31:52 PM
I mean i'm sure they'd do most of them if it's a show, assuming they'll do the traditional three episodes per book
3 episodes is far too short to adapt most tales. Heck, the old show took 13 episodes a book,and STILL left some stuff out. (Though that wasn't a good idea for Redwall.)
Though that's another thing one has to wonder about: how many episodes should they do per book? 13 a book like the old show? Or however many it takes to tell the story. The later, longer books would certainly need more than a episodes... :-\
In recent years, "event series" has come to mean 8-10 episodes a season. However, sometimes it can also mean just 1 season, period. 8-10 episodes could be appropriate for 1 book.
I think 3 40min episodes could cover it. A lot of the writing is descriptions and characters, it can be condensed down a lot. The old show I felt went kinda slow. They could always go the British TV route too, 5 1hr+ epsidoes per 'series' which could be one or two books
Quote from: Tungro on February 18, 2021, 05:50:59 PM
A lot of the writing is descriptions and characters, it can be condensed down a lot.
I agree, but only if a lot of that description is compensated for with visual details. I want to see enough beautiful food to make Studio Ghibli jealous.
Presumably. Though as I already mentioned i'm not afraid to see them take at least some creative liberty, could be interesting.
We compared McHale's most well-known series to Redwall.
https://redwall.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:LordTBT/News:Over_the_Garden_Wall_vs._Redwall_-_An_Analysis
Looks like Netflix is really invested in getting the rights to as many series as it can get. First they Bone, now Redwall.
They also have the rights to Narnia...
Interesting, wonder how they wrestled that from Disney
Quote from: Tungro on February 22, 2021, 02:41:23 AM
Interesting, wonder how they wrestled that from Disney
Disney didn't actually make the Narnia films. They were produced by Walden Media, who had the rights to the series, but their deal to the rights has now expired.
Now the question is how long they'll last given out cancel crazy Netflix is these days...
Though on the other hand, these series have a built in fanbase & reputation that should help get views (and just hope they're enough)
The news is quite exciting. This could easily be a huge thing, imo.
We spoke with artist Pierre Breton.
https://redwall.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:LordTBT/News:Artist_Pierre_Breton_Discusses_Redwall
Not quite sure how happy i'll be with Patrick McHale's artwork, (just from googling that, I reserve the right to be wrong), but from that picture by Pierre Breton, it looks quite promising.
@LordTBT is there an uncut version of the interview anywhere?
That's the full interview. I think Breton's role as visual development artist is different than that of actual animator, and this was likely an image to go out with the announcement.
I'd personally would want it to be more of a classic cartoon look to it, and not a super realistic art style, but they may pull it off if they choose to do so.
It varies with Netflix. It mainly depends on the studio that makes the show. Most are 2D, some are CGI, and a bunch are hybrids that use some of both.
I for one think 2D would be best, but we'll just have to wait to find out...
Well, if it turns out anything like their Watership Down miniseries...
As unllely as it is, it would be awesome if Netflix used deep-canvas CGI. It would make the abbey look stunning.
Of course, the adaptation writing is tantamount to the art.
The Redwall Wiki has heard from Patrick McHale.
https://redwall.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:LordTBT/News:A_Word_with_Redwall_Screenwriter_Patrick_McHale
Looking forward to it, nice to see it's being handled by a childhood reader
Hopefully it actually turns out well. I'd much rather fans create something independently than a corporation fund something, but at least perhaps it will bring more fans to Redwall, which would be nice.
Quote from: Gourmand on April 12, 2021, 10:55:30 PM
I'd much rather fans create something independently than a corporation fund something
I disagree, everyone has their own headcanon, and from what I've seen I'd much rather have an organized structure with a company that can readily contribute vast resources. Not being handled lightly either, from the concept art and hearing about the writer they are staying relatively true to the tale
Netflix takes rights to 'Redwall' book series, preps both TV & film projects. Netflix has acquired the rights to English author Brian Jacques' Redwall fantasy series for TV and film adaptation, following a deal with publisher Penguin Random House.
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Sad to say, but since Fox adapted Voyage of the Dawn Treader my expectations are low. They made the characters far too modern, not recognizable as the ones Lewis wrote, and added a generic "quest for the seven swords".
Then there was Martin the Warrior in cartoon form. While it mostly stuck to the original plot, there was no reason to turn Pallum into a nervous female. Can you say "political correctness"? I knew you could.
Quote from: Dylan Reguba on August 13, 2021, 05:10:23 PM
Sad to say, but since Fox adapted Voyage of the Dawn Treader my expectations are low. They made the characters far too modern, not recognizable as the ones Lewis wrote, and added a generic "quest for the seven swords".
I wasn't aware of that, but now that I am, safe to say my expectations have lowered
Quote from: Dylan Reguba on August 13, 2021, 05:10:23 PM
Then there was Martin the Warrior in cartoon form. While it mostly stuck to the original plot, there was no reason to turn Pallum into a nervous female. Can you say "political correctness"? I knew you could.
I feel like it had less to do with 'political correctness' and more with just adding variety - a stuttering and wholly unreliable female character would do little to further any feminist cause
Yes! Redwall!
That's the spirit!
I don't know how well it would turn out, but I'd watch it.
https://redwall.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:LordTBT/Netflix_Redwall_Film_Script_Completed
Quote from: LordTBT on November 15, 2022, 05:39:01 PMhttps://redwall.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:LordTBT/Netflix_Redwall_Film_Script_Completed
Looks like they're going to take some time to make this good, which is WAY better than some other series got.
I'm definitely excited to see where it'll go, even if it's not exactly ideal I think it would still be cool