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daskar666

Quote from: HeadInAnotherGalaxy on June 29, 2011, 05:05:10 PM
Quote from: daskar666 on June 21, 2011, 05:50:45 PM
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Quote from: DanielofRedwall on June 20, 2011, 10:19:09 AM
I really hope that nobody else continues the Redwall series, it would just ruin the legacy of Brian. Even if somebody did, I would never read it.
I REALLY hate when people immediately assume that different=bad, everything in ruins, etc. Particularly with REDWALL which had many of its fans BEGGING for something different.
Come on, not all series are ruined when someone else works on them.
Look at the PSP game Daxter for example, the previous games were amazing and made by Naughty Dog, this one was made by Readyatdawn and it was equally amazing.
Same with the outsourced Ratchet and Clank games. Give it a chance instead of shunning it before the experience.

It is easier to duplicate the magic of a video game (or lack of it) than to duplicate the magic of a book.
Does it really need to be duplicated instead of modified?


Which, if twas modified, would be saying that Redwall wasn't perfect the way twas and needed to be improved. I'm sure many people on here would like that, hmmm?
Are you implying that redwall is perfect? That's just arrogance and fanboyism.

HeadInAnotherGalaxy

I never said that twas perfect, I'm just saying that it's fine the way it is. What it seems like you're implying is that it needs to be changed.
NARDOLE; You are completely out of your mind!
DOCTOR: How is that news to anyone?

"I am Yomin Carr, the harbinger of doom. I am the beginning of the end of your people!" -Yomin Carr

-Sometime later, the second mate was unexpectedly rescued by the subplot, which had been trailing a bit behind the boat (and the plot). The whole story moved along.

daskar666

I'm simply stating that different=/=bad.
I'm not denying that there would be drawbacks, but there are plenty of benefits as well.

HeadInAnotherGalaxy

The thing is, as someone else has stated, the great thing about Redwall is that you can easily recognise who is good and who is bad. If their was a mouse leading an army to conquer Redwall it make the line between good and bad more blurred than it needs to be.
NARDOLE; You are completely out of your mind!
DOCTOR: How is that news to anyone?

"I am Yomin Carr, the harbinger of doom. I am the beginning of the end of your people!" -Yomin Carr

-Sometime later, the second mate was unexpectedly rescued by the subplot, which had been trailing a bit behind the boat (and the plot). The whole story moved along.

Tiria Wildlough

Quote from: Log a Log Grenn on June 12, 2011, 10:31:51 AM
Yes I heard that there was going to be another series which he wrote years ago but never published
Where the good characters are the bad(exp.Malkariss) and the Redwallers are evil
Whaaat? I don't think anyone would stomach that! (no offense, of course)
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daskar666

Quote from: HeadInAnotherGalaxy on June 30, 2011, 05:45:24 PM
The thing is, as someone else has stated, the great thing about Redwall is that you can easily recognise who is good and who is bad. If their was a mouse leading an army to conquer Redwall it make the line between good and bad more blurred than it needs to be.
No it wouldn't. If he were clearly leading an army then it would still be perfectly obvious that he were the antagonist. The difference would be that you wouldn't be immediately able to tell that just because one is a fox they're bad and a badger is immediately good. When you see their actions in the story it would quickly become evident tho.
Also what do you mean by "more blurred than it needs to be". What's so great about the lack of moral ambiguity. In real life people aren't simply good/bad so why should the Redwall universe be simplified?
BTW I'm reading Rakkety Tam right now and I gotta admit it's much better than the previous two books, including with moral ambiguity (Yoofus).

Wot Wot!

Quote from: daskar666 on July 01, 2011, 05:41:35 PM
Quote from: HeadInAnotherGalaxy on June 30, 2011, 05:45:24 PM
The thing is, as someone else has stated, the great thing about Redwall is that you can easily recognise who is good and who is bad. If their was a mouse leading an army to conquer Redwall it make the line between good and bad more blurred than it needs to be.
No it wouldn't. If he were clearly leading an army then it would still be perfectly obvious that he were the antagonist. The difference would be that you wouldn't be immediately able to tell that just because one is a fox they're bad and a badger is immediately good. When you see their actions in the story it would quickly become evident tho.
Also what do you mean by "more blurred than it needs to be". What's so great about the lack of moral ambiguity. In real life people aren't simply good/bad so why should the Redwall universe be simplified?
BTW I'm reading Rakkety Tam right now and I gotta admit it's much better than the previous two books, including with moral ambiguity (Yoofus).

Seems like everyone want to make it more like a modern/contemporary series than what BJ intended...
All you cowards of the land and flotsam of the sea
Who murder, pillage, loot whene'er  you please
There's a Long Patrol a waitin', we'll greet you cheerfully,
You'll hear us cry 'Eulalia' on the breeze.

Lily

Redwall.org had a contest that they called "Ask Brian" where you could write in and ask him questions. He dealt with a few of the issues that have been raised in this thread, I thought you guys might like to read what he had to say on the subject.
Here is the original page. Horray for the Wayback Machine!
Quote from: Brian Jacques24. Why do you make mice, squirrels, otters and badgers "good" and foxes, rats, ferrets and such "bad"? How do you decide which are good and which are bad? (Donna Wilson, Seattle, Washington)

The bad creatures are those which are traditionally bad in European folk lore and have come to be regarded as sly or mean or evil.The good creatures are mostly small and defenceless, with the exception of the badgers.

42. Will you ever have any really good vermin or bad woodlanders in any of your stories? (Peter Johnson, Pennsylvania)

No! The goodies are good and the baddies are BAD, no grey areas.

DanielofRedwall

Quote from: Lily on July 02, 2011, 03:54:07 AM
Redwall.org had a contest that they called "Ask Brian" where you could write in and ask him questions. He dealt with a few of the issues that have been raised in this thread, I thought you guys might like to read what he had to say on the subject.
Here is the original page. Horray for the Wayback Machine!
Quote from: Brian Jacques24. Why do you make mice, squirrels, otters and badgers "good" and foxes, rats, ferrets and such "bad"? How do you decide which are good and which are bad? (Donna Wilson, Seattle, Washington)

The bad creatures are those which are traditionally bad in European folk lore and have come to be regarded as sly or mean or evil.The good creatures are mostly small and defenceless, with the exception of the badgers.

42. Will you ever have any really good vermin or bad woodlanders in any of your stories? (Peter Johnson, Pennsylvania)

No! The goodies are good and the baddies are BAD, no grey areas.
And that is the way Brian intended it, so don't wreck it!
Received mostly negative reviews.

daskar666

It doesn't matter if that's how he intended. Some people prefer moral ambiguity, and a different opinion from a dead author won't change their opinion just because it's theirs.

HeadInAnotherGalaxy

Quote from: daskar666 on July 02, 2011, 03:55:31 PM
It doesn't matter if that's how he intended. Some people prefer moral ambiguity, and a different opinion from a dead author won't change their opinion just because it's theirs.

And you were talking about arrogance before...
NARDOLE; You are completely out of your mind!
DOCTOR: How is that news to anyone?

"I am Yomin Carr, the harbinger of doom. I am the beginning of the end of your people!" -Yomin Carr

-Sometime later, the second mate was unexpectedly rescued by the subplot, which had been trailing a bit behind the boat (and the plot). The whole story moved along.

daskar666

Quote from: HeadInAnotherGalaxy on July 02, 2011, 05:23:33 PM
Quote from: daskar666 on July 02, 2011, 03:55:31 PM
It doesn't matter if that's how he intended. Some people prefer moral ambiguity, and a different opinion from a dead author won't change their opinion just because it's theirs.

And you were talking about arrogance before...
Dismissing someone's opinion based on the opinion's content is not arrogance.

Wot Wot!

Quote from: daskar666 on July 02, 2011, 03:55:31 PM
It doesn't matter if that's how he intended. Some people prefer moral ambiguity, and a different opinion from a dead author won't change their opinion just because it's theirs.

Yes, but the "dead author" in question is the one who created the world in the first place.  The stories still belong to him regardless, and a change in the stories won't make them Redwall, just a sham imitation using his imagination instead of whoever decides to try to "improve" the stories.
All you cowards of the land and flotsam of the sea
Who murder, pillage, loot whene'er  you please
There's a Long Patrol a waitin', we'll greet you cheerfully,
You'll hear us cry 'Eulalia' on the breeze.

martins#1fan

You wouldn't say that if one of his sons were writing the stories.
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Galedeep

Quote from: martins#1fan on July 02, 2011, 07:18:57 PM
You wouldn't say that if one of his sons were writing the stories.
I don't know how they would write it, there is the good possibility that they knew Brian's vision for the books, but what I think is there is too many ways this "passing the torch" idea could go really wrong.