We all know those characters. The ones who maybe aren't bad guys, but that are so annoying to you that you'd just love to give them a good smack to the head. The Jar-Jar Binks' of Redwall, if you will.
Here's my top picks:
1) Scarum (appears in Triss)
Here Mr. Jacques took the gluttonous hare stereotype and ran with it. Scarum was a great example of a character with a very real flaw. However, this flaw led him to drive me absolutely mad. He was rude, selfish, completely oblivious, and such a ridiculous glutton. I could barely stand to read about him. I couldn't understand why Sagax and Kroova put up with him. I'd have shoved him overboard.
2) Yoofus Lightpaw (appears in Rackety Tam)
Another example of a "good" character with such an annoying flaw, I hated him worse than Gulo the Savage. Yoofus was a thief who insisted on stealing everything that wasn't nailed down. He may have had his redeeming points, but his overwhelming selfishness and kleptomania were too much for me. I really disliked this guy.
3) Druwp (appears in Martin the Warrior)
Enough said, really. The guy was wormy and cowardly and weak.
4) Swinkee (appears in Salamandastron)
Swinkee was the sand lizard who betrayed Mara and Pikkle to King Glagweb the toad when they were travelling through the dunes. He talked a little like Gollum from LotR, speaking in the third person (if I remember right). Either way, he was obnoxious and needed a good smack. I'm reasonably sure everyone thought so.
5) Rusvul Reguba (appears in Marlfox)
I hated this guy. Yes, his wife died. No, that does not make the way he treated Dann excusable. Seriously, he was ridiculously cruel to his own son and mean to everyone around him. He seemed almost unrealistically heartless. I couldn't believe he didn't receive more scorn from the other abbey-dwellers.
6) Gruven (appears in Taggerung)
Ok, who didn't want to smack Gruven? His travelling companions certainly all did. He was a big cowardly baby who spent the whole book whining. Urgh. I know that was the point of his character but he sure was obnoxious.
I'm sure I'll think of more. What're some of your guys' top annoying characters? List some reasons with them; that's much more interesting than just lists of character names :)
1. cynthia
2. Vitch
3. Scarum
4. Cluny
What a perfect topic!
Mattimeo at the beginning of Mattimeo.
At the start he was an arrogant, spoiled and headstong idiot, basically. He was pretty awesome later on, though.
Vitch from Mattimeo
Never stopped complaining on the journey and constantly picked fights.
Yoofus Lightpaw from Rakkety Tam
As mentioned.
Celandine from Martin the Warrior
I know too many real-life people like her. She really gets on my nerves.
Gruven from Taggerung
As mentioned.
Log-a-Log Tugga Bruster from Doomwyte
A lying, stealing shrew who did not deserve the Log-a-Log title. Got what he deserved in the end.
Druwp from Martin the Warrior
As mentioned.
Burrbob and the other leverets at the start and end of Outcast of Redwall
They were rude and kept interrupting Rillbrook the Wanderer. Thank goodness they were only in the story for very brief periods of time.
More to come...
1.Vitch, teased the slaves and wined like a baby when being challenged by the slaves.
2.Antigra, she was the mother of Gruven and was stubborn and annoying.
3.Jurkin, he was leader of the Dillypins and was in Taggerung, he was arrogant and rude.
4.Kurda, she was cruel,arrogant and was always ordering everyone about.
5.Ferdimond De Mayne, he was always making smart remarks to Doogy and it seemed that he thought he was better than him.
1. Treerose (at the beginning of Mariel of Redwall). She was bratty and stuck up and complained loudly whenever she wanted attention.
2. Yoofus Lightpaw (Rakkety Tam) Seriously, you're going to let your friend fight a wolverine and 7 vermin alone and then lie about what happened?!?!
3. Log-a-Log Tugga Bruster (Doomwyte) Nobody likes him, he constantly yells at his son, and screams orders when he gets mad. I think every Guosim in his tribe would love the chance to all smack him.
I'll add more when I think of more, preferably ones that haven't been mentioned.
Definitely Vitch and Druwp, and Swinkee too, and the newt that i forgot the name in Oucast of Redwall the one who tries to kill Sunflash!
Tugga Bruster was just... evil. He deserved far more than a smack. And got it.
7) Dinjer & Assorted Squidjees (appear in Martin the Warrior)
Spoiled, obnoxious, and a little violent, the Squidjees and their ringleader Dinjer reached new levels of annoying. Thankfully, Dinjer received not only a kick to the bottom, but also was cuffed about by his mother, Ballamum.
Boorab the hare from Taggerung. I don't think he ever did anything outside of eat and sing...and I didn't like a lot of the songs either. ;) Perhaps there's a reason he was on 15 seasons probation in the story.
I don't hold a high opinion of some of the hares in the stories--they actually come off as very rude.
For the "don't know when they should shut up" award - Folrig Streampaw and Ruddle Banksnout from Outcast of Redwall. Two very VERY annoying otters...glad they were left behind for a majority of the story.
I know, I agree Lutra. I didn't like how Scarum ate the food that was meant for Sagax and Kroova. I wanted to slap him, seriously.
ooh that one evil log'a'log whats his name!
Quote from: Mad Maudie on June 09, 2012, 09:44:51 PM
ooh that one evil log'a'log whats his name!
That'd be Tugga Bruster you're thinking of, Maudie.
@Lutra: I forgot about Folrig and Ruddle haha. Idk if they make my list of most slappable but they were pretty annoying.
And I agree about some hares, like Boorab, but he was a tiny bit endearing to me (I loved how Cregga kept him on probation forever haha). But then there are the exceptionally honourable hares who throw the hare stereotypes out the window, like all the Long Patrollers.
I seriously wanted to slap Scarum, especially when he escaped redwall to find Sagax, i thought Sagax and Kroova should have left him with the hedgehogs.
Quote from: Lutra on June 09, 2012, 09:34:18 PM
Boorab the hare from Taggerung. I don't think he ever did anything outside of eat and sing...and I didn't like a lot of the songs either. ;) Perhaps there's a reason he was on 15 seasons probation in the story.
I think Boorab did have a few useful roles in the story, like teaching Broggle to not stammer and helping Nimbalo feel at home in Redwall.
I'd like to slap dwopple soemtimes he is fust so annoying
What a fun topic. I love Redwall, but in any series there are always characters who need a good slap.
1. Scarum. I'm currently re-reading Triss and, like Flandor, can barely stand to read about him. He is definitely my least favourite character in the whole series.
2. Dinjer. He's been mentioned before, but I'll mention him again because AUGH. ;)
3. Pretty much the entire Gawtribe.
4. Skittles. I know, he's supposed to be cute, but he annoyed me so much when I read Lord Brocktree.
I agree with pretty much every other post here, too.
In no particular order:
1. Log-a-Log Tugga Bruster
2. Yoofus Lightpaw
3. Scarum
4. Nimalo
5. Cynthia
6. Murdops (spelling? Martin the Warrior, the rabbits who were picky about manners)
That's all I can think of right now.
Quote from: Flandor on June 09, 2012, 10:19:47 AM
5) Rusvul Reguba (appears in Marlfox)
I hated this guy. Yes, his wife died. No, that does not make the way he treated Dann excusable. Seriously, he was ridiculously cruel to his own son and mean to everyone around him. He seemed almost unrealistically heartless. I couldn't believe he didn't receive more scorn from the other abbey-dwellers.
Excuse me! As the resident Marlfox expert (I've read this one countless times... okay maybe just 5 times) He blew up ONCE does that make him heartless? Cruel? NO! Those are ugly words to describe someone with, this isn't Hitler we're talking about here, this is an anguished father born and raised in a warrior society that has a broken heart. I for one feel sorry for him! And did you even bother reading the END of the book? Rusval was really nice!
(I'll return later with those people I want to smack ;))
Tugga Bruster Now HE was cruel.
Cynthia bank vole So darn prissy!
Murdops way to "well-mannered"
Flib she is soooooo annoying!
No need to be rude about differing opinions, dannflorreguba. Yes, I have in fact finished the book, four times. Just because he is nice at the end of the book doesn't mean I liked him during it. He wasn't just mean to his son; he was abrasive towards everybeast. I didn't like it. I don't put up with people like that in real life. There's never cause for being consistently verbally abrasive and rude. I'd rather not start an argument about my opinion that goes on for pages.
@Lily: ooh the Gawtrybe, I forgot about them. Martin and his party ran into a lot of annoying characters on their quest to Noonvale! The mirdop rabbits too.
@dannflorreguba: I really liked Flib. I thought she was pretty realistic; I grew up with a girl who was just like her.
If you take my comments as rude than I'm sorry for that.... Have you seen saving private Ryan? Black Hawk Down? The Patriot? They all have two things in common... They are rated R and are about real life war. If you've seen these movies and have no compassion for those who have experienced war for real... That would make you (or whoever doesn't carry compassion) the heartless cruel one, not them. War is not a nice thing to go through. I have an uncle who WAS AT Black Hawk down... over night too. He has had his best friend blow up right in front of him and some of the pieces landed on him. He was trained as a ranger, has been shot, fragged, and gassed... He is rough at times... Quite often too... But he is one of the BETTER cases. Mods, if you want me to modify this post for its graphic depictions. please PM me, I'd like to be the one to change it if you think it needs changing.
Quote from: danflorreguba on June 11, 2012, 04:15:08 PM
If you take my comments as rude than I'm sorry for that.... Have you seen saving private Ryan? Black Hawk Down? The Patriot? They all have two things in common... They are rated R and are about real life war. If you've seen these movies and have no compassion for those who have experienced war for real... That would make you (or whoever doesn't carry compassion) the heartless cruel one, not them. War is not a nice thing to go through. I have an uncle who WAS AT Black Hawk down... over night too. He has had his best friend blow up right in front of him and some of the pieces landed on him. He was trained as a ranger, has been shot, fragged, and gassed... He is rough at times... Quite often too... But he is one of the BETTER cases. Mods, if you want me to modify this post for its graphic depictions. please PM me, I'd like to be the one to change it if you think it needs changing.
Now you're insinuating that I have no compassion for real life veterans? I know many of them, and work with a lot of them. My grandfather was a vet. I do civil war reenacting in order to honor vets. I've seen all the movies. Saving Private Ryan, Band of Brothers, Im Westen Nichts Neues, The Pacific. I know war is horrific. Heck, I'm writing a novel about it.
But this is not real war we are talking about. We are speaking in Redwall terms. Just think of all the warriors in the series. Even the most bitter of them, Urthstrype the Mighty, was never so mean to others as Rusvul was. And the impression that I got of Rusvul was that it was the death of his wife that made him bitter, not the horrors of war. In fact, he almost glorified the way of the warrior. No real life veteran that I know would say things of that nature. They obviously have respect towards the armed forces and for those who have fought but I know very few of them who would be cruel to their son because he was not following the same way that they did or because he did not have the same levels of hard-trained discipline that they do. Surely those sort of guys exist but I would have a little less respect for them. Sympathy, maybe, but that is not a respectable quality.
I would appreciate in the future not making assumptions like that. I took that a little personally.
Redwallwise, I still do not like Rusvul. I understand him. I know he lost his wife and that is an obscenely hard thing to go through. But I do not like him and I don't have much respect for his character. What if Nimbalo's father beat him because he was a warrior and had a hard go of life? Does that make him any more likeable? It makes him a round, and understandable character but not one that we have to like.
Not to start a fight and I'm not trying to be rude, but I like the sarcastic Redwall animals as long as they're not overly gluttonous like some of the hares are.
I was not assuming anything, I was remarking that ANYONE would end up the cruel one if they don't see the horror, you had no need to take it personally, that was geared towards everyone including myself. Just because this is a Fantasy series doesn't exclude it from horrific war-time experiences. You still haven't addressed the fact that Rusval only reacted ONCE, you are generalizing the rest of his character from his one time that he lost it.... He certainly wasn't proud of it. He was usually a fairly normal creature all other times. I'm sure you've lost someone close to you by now... It hurts alot, and I asume you know that. Now imagine losing someone even CLOSER. Yes, Rusval had pride, yes he aslo had issues..... But so do we all! Flib was a whole lot worse, Flib was a brat, disrespectful, full of herself, rude, commanding, unkind, uncommpassionate... All together just annoying. I am making no assumptions about you Flandor, I respect your opinion and your self... I just want to give MY opinion as well.
Quote from: danflorreguba on June 11, 2012, 05:39:14 PM
I was not assuming anything, I was remarking that ANYONE would end up the cruel one if they don't see the horror, you had no need to take it personally, that was geared towards everyone including myself. Just because this is a Fantasy series doesn't exclude it from horrific war-time experiences. You still haven't addressed the fact that Rusval only reacted ONCE, you are generalizing the rest of his character from his one time that he lost it.... He certainly wasn't proud of it. He was usually a fairly normal creature all other times. I'm sure you've lost someone close to you by now... It hurts alot, and I asume you know that. Now imagine losing someone even CLOSER. Yes, Rusval had pride, yes he aslo had issues..... But so do we all! Flib was a whole lot worse, Flib was a brat, disrespectful, full of herself, rude, commanding, unkind, uncommpassionate... All together just annoying. I am making no assumptions about you Flandor, I respect your opinion and your self... I just want to give MY opinion as well.
Rusvul didn't only react once. He spoke harshly many times during the book; it was only at it's worst after the tapestry was stolen. I don't respect much parents who treat their children as disappointments, regardless of the situation. I just don't like him during the beginning of the story. I do like him after he changes his attitude.
I can perfectly understand you not liking Filb. I found her entertaining, but I can certainly see how she would've annoyed others.
One more thing, I'm not saying I even like Rusval, which I'm not really a fan of him anyway, I agree he was out of line a sometimes..... But that doesn't exactly warrant anyone calling him Cruel and heartless, the end of the book just goes to show he has a heart, I never meant anything but that. And about Flib..... She, in my opinion, was the most God-moded character in the series... Even worse than Mariel was.
(Hey! There's another one I'd like to slap! :D)
who else? Um... Let's see
1. Tsarmina
2. Gawtrybe
3.
Skittles from Lord Brocktree was insanely annoying too. He was not a cute baby, he was a little terror who caused all kinds of anguish for the adults.
I might not go to the extent as to smack him.... But he was definitely annoying! :D ;)
On a side note, I love the otters because they're sarcastic and mischievous, but they know how to limit themselves. For example, Kroova from Triss was rebellious and sarcastic but He also knew how to limit himself. I love sarcastic characters as long as they don't over do it or as long as they learn their lesson.
I know, off topic, but I just wanted to point that out.
I would have slapped that shrew thingy, whats he called? the one that killed Log-a-log in Marlfox, oh and that grass snake and newt in Mossflower, that tried to stop Martin and his friends crossing the river.
Quote from: Skipper on June 11, 2012, 07:26:47 PM
I would have slapped that shrew thingy, whats he called? the one that killed Log-a-log in Marlfox, oh and that grass snake and newt in Mossflower, that tried to stop Martin and his friends crossing the river.
Fenno, and I would have shot him with a bow.
I'd like to smack the marshland toads.
I'd like to smack that lizard that led Sunflash the Mace into the swamp. I forget his name...
Quote from: gorath on June 12, 2012, 03:37:06 PM
I'd like to smack that lizard that led Sunflash the Mace into the swamp. I forget his name...
Exactly the same one i talked about! I so want o smack him i forgot his name.
That'd be Smerc the Newt.
O yeah! Smerck!
Smack Smerk! ;D
AWESOME TOPIC! ;D
I would love to smack (in no particular order):
1. Jukka the Sling. I hated it when she and her tribe scavenged all the vermin stuff after they died. That's just callous.
2. Most of the badgers at some point.
3. Flib. She was rude and she didn't have any pity.
4. Druwp. He was disgusting. (I bet he would smoke if he was a human.)
5. Yoofus Lightpaw. I hated him so much that I scratched his picture in Rakkety Tam. When I was little I used to scratch out someone's name in a book if I really hated them, and I still feel tempted to do that sometimes.
6. Rusvul Reguba. Who in their right mind would be so cruel and unloving to their son, just because he didn't do perfectly?
More later...
I'd like to smack the gawtribe. They were super annoying
Quote from: Tiria Wildlough on June 13, 2012, 06:59:37 AM
AWESOME TOPIC! ;D
I would love to smack (in no particular order):
1. Jukka the Sling. I hated it when she and her tribe scavenged all the vermin stuff after they died. That's just callous.
2. Most of the badgers at some point.
3. Flib. She was rude and she didn't have any pity.
4. Druwp. He was disgusting. (I bet he would smoke if he was a human.)
5. Yoofus Lightpaw. I hated him so much that I scratched his picture in Rakkety Tam. When I was little I used to scratch out someone's name in a book if I really hated them, and I still feel tempted to do that sometimes.
6. Rusvul Reguba. Who in their right mind would be so cruel and unloving to their son, just because he didn't do perfectly?
More later...
Out of curiosity. Do you think that just because Rusval yelled at his son, and lost his temper... The that means he DIDN'T love his son? (Gotta agree about Flib though!) Could someone jar my memory as to who Druwp is? Jukka was annoying at times... But she was still pretty cool! Yoofus Lightpaw...... He could use a hearty spanking! :D
Druwp was the vole slave in Martin the Warrior who sold information to Badrang's lackeys in exchange for food and drink, and opposed the movement for freedom.
Ooooohhh yes........ I wouldn't stop smacking him after two full seasons.
I'm reading Doomwyte right now, and I want to smack Tugga Bruster. He's really rude, and I don't like how he talks back to Skipper
Quote from: Redwallfan7 on June 13, 2012, 10:25:07 PM
I'm reading Doomwyte right now, and I want to smack Tugga Bruster. He's really rude, and I don't like how he talks back to Skipper
Hee hee hee! If only you knew! ;D
What are you talking about?
AAAAA
Diggs (The Sable Queen)
Cluny (Redwall)
Bescarum (Triss)
Flib (The Sable Queen)
Logalog Bruster (Doomwyte)
Tala (Doomwyte)
Jeg (Doomwyte)
Fenno (Marlfox) This is my first
Gobbo (Doomwyte)
Vannan (Marlfox)
Quote from: Redwallfan7 on June 13, 2012, 10:55:29 PM
What are you talking about?
Everyone else who has read Doomwyte will know... I'm not going to spoil the story for you.
Quote from: Dannflor on June 13, 2012, 10:58:40 PM
AAAAA
Diggs (The Sable Queen)
Cluny (Redwall)
Bescarum (Triss)
Flib (The Sable Queen)
Logalog Bruster (Doomwyte)
Chala (Doomwyte)
Jeg (Doomwyte)
Fenno (Marlfox) This is my first
Gobbo (Doomwyte)
Vannan (Marlfox)
Is Jeg the squirrel?
Okay, sorry. maybe I shouldn't have jumped to conclusions.
Nope the Tree rat that is really spoiled you know Tala's son
Okay, Jeg would be more eligible for me to smack.
Quote from: Dannflor on June 13, 2012, 11:01:42 PM
Nope the Tree rat that is really spoiled you know Tala's son
Yeah, I looked it up just after I posted.
Quote from: Redwallfan7 on June 13, 2012, 11:10:26 PM
Okay, Jeg would be more eligible for me to smack.
No no no! he's definetly worth smacking! :D I'm just talking about something even better! ;) Not tellin' ya' anymore! ;)
I don't think you need to smack Gobbo, he's already been smacked too much.
Also, I forgot Scarum. He cares only about food.
Quote from: Tiria Wildlough on June 14, 2012, 04:57:12 AM
I don't think you need to smack Gobbo, he's already been smacked too much.
Agreed. Just put up with his talking, it won't hurt you.
I'd like to smack Treerose, from Mariel of Redwall. Ig, I didn't like her much, even if she was supposedly pretty.
Quote from: MatthiasMan on June 14, 2012, 08:25:50 PM
I'd like to smack Treerose, from Mariel of Redwall. Ig, I didn't like her much, even if she was supposedly pretty.
Yeah, she could have used a smack at the start.... But what about later?
Quote from: MatthiasMan on June 14, 2012, 08:25:50 PM
I'd like to smack Treerose, from Mariel of Redwall. Ig, I didn't like her much, even if she was supposedly pretty.
Oh yeah her to oh the Idiot
I want to slap all of the painted ones and Horty
1: Fenno, that shrew from Marlfox that killed Logalog
2: Cendaline, way too prissy
3: Lousewort and Sneezewort, idiots, and cowards
4: Tubgutt, from Salamandastron at the beginning, sly and tricky, and a cheater to boot
5: Any cowards and traitors, can't think of any specifics
I'll think of more later
Oh, "Princess" Kurda. She deserved a good smack for being such a spoiled brat.
I'm Sorry, but one of the people i'd like to smack the most is deyna's sister (can't spell her name) from taggerung. once she became abbess she became so prissy and finiky over silly little details... lighten up your still a young creature... I bet Boorab thinks she and alkenet would be the perfect match for each other...
Next its that idiot viola bankvole idk what here problems is
and finally collin bankvole, what a whinny little snotbag
the southern forthrights got what was coming to them when the lied to jerkin... that was their only redeeming quality...
Quote from: Skyblade on June 12, 2012, 01:50:09 AM
I'd like to smack the marshland toads.
they don't need smacking the warden doesn't like his cocktail shaken.... "I am the laaawwww!"
Quote from: Flandor on June 11, 2012, 05:26:54 PM
Quote from: danflorreguba on June 11, 2012, 04:15:08 PM
If you take my comments as rude than I'm sorry for that.... Have you seen saving private Ryan? Black Hawk Down? The Patriot? They all have two things in common... They are rated R and are about real life war. If you've seen these movies and have no compassion for those who have experienced war for real... That would make you (or whoever doesn't carry compassion) the heartless cruel one, not them. War is not a nice thing to go through. I have an uncle who WAS AT Black Hawk down... over night too. He has had his best friend blow up right in front of him and some of the pieces landed on him. He was trained as a ranger, has been shot, fragged, and gassed... He is rough at times... Quite often too... But he is one of the BETTER cases. Mods, if you want me to modify this post for its graphic depictions. please PM me, I'd like to be the one to change it if you think it needs changing.
Now you're insinuating that I have no compassion for real life veterans? I know many of them, and work with a lot of them. My grandfather was a vet. I do civil war reenacting in order to honor vets. I've seen all the movies. Saving Private Ryan, Band of Brothers, Im Westen Nichts Neues, The Pacific. I know war is horrific. Heck, I'm writing a novel about it.
But this is not real war we are talking about. We are speaking in Redwall terms. Just think of all the warriors in the series. Even the most bitter of them, Urthstrype the Mighty, was never so mean to others as Rusvul was. And the impression that I got of Rusvul was that it was the death of his wife that made him bitter, not the horrors of war. In fact, he almost glorified the way of the warrior. No real life veteran that I know would say things of that nature. They obviously have respect towards the armed forces and for those who have fought but I know very few of them who would be cruel to their son because he was not following the same way that they did or because he did not have the same levels of hard-trained discipline that they do. Surely those sort of guys exist but I would have a little less respect for them. Sympathy, maybe, but that is not a respectable quality.
I would appreciate in the future not making assumptions like that. I took that a little personally.
Redwallwise, I still do not like Rusvul. I understand him. I know he lost his wife and that is an obscenely hard thing to go through. But I do not like him and I don't have much respect for his character. What if Nimbalo's father beat him because he was a warrior and had a hard go of life? Does that make him any more likeable? It makes him a round, and understandable character but not one that we have to like.
Yo I do agree, Rusvul is a stiff-necked ruthless father, but in his defense i think he is closer to the actual psychological response then many of the characters who have suffered similar losses. and here's another point as a hot tempered parent how do you explain that kind of loss to your only young one? so in short i see where both of you are coming from and would smack you two guys instead for not showing a little bit of pity towards him and the deep loss he must feel.
I SAID that very thing! That his loss should be understood! Please read the full posts before posting yourself, I was arg... Debatin', in Rusvals' defense!
Quote from: danflorreguba on June 18, 2012, 10:06:06 PM
I SAID that very thing! That his loss should be understood! Please read the full posts before posting yourself, I was arg... Debatin', in Rusvals' defense!
Amen
Okay thats' kinda weird considering you said that I should be smacked in your last post.... ???
;) Still confused though.
Hey Ciaran, please don't post multiple times in a row. If you want to quote multiple replies you can use the "Insert Quote" option above the posts in the Topic Summary at the bottom of the reply page.
Also, I think we crossed the line from "debating" to "arguing" a few pages ago. Things were resolved somewhat, but I still think we'd better leave the whole Rusvul topic alone. This whole thread is highly subjective, there's no doubt that there are going to be some disagreements. There's no need to resort to personal attacks when we're all trying to have fun.
Sorry for the mod post, but really, guys... it's all in good fun! It's OK to defend your opinion, but there is such a thing as taking it too far.
Quote from: Lily on June 19, 2012, 03:56:50 AM
Hey Ciaran, please don't post multiple times in a row. If you want to quote multiple replies you can use the "Insert Quote" option above the posts in the Topic Summary at the bottom of the reply page.
Also, I think we crossed the line from "debating" to "arguing" a few pages ago. Things were resolved somewhat, but I still think we'd better leave the whole Rusvul topic alone. This whole thread is highly subjective, there's no doubt that there are going to be some disagreements. There's no need to resort to personal attacks when we're all trying to have fun.
Sorry for the mod post, but really, guys... it's all in good fun! It's OK to defend your opinion, but there is such a thing as taking it too far.
I agree we got a little out of hand before, but we made good via PM and it won't be a problem in the future. :)
I agree with whoever said Celandine. She was.... just a royal pain. So whiny.
Quote from: Flandor on June 19, 2012, 06:41:39 AM
I agree with whoever said Celandine. She was.... just a royal pain. So whiny.
Agreed, I couldn't stand all her primping and flirting. You mentioned a few pages back that Martin and co. ran into a lot of annoying parties on their travels, and you're right! I think the only ones they met who didn't deserve a smack were Polleekin, The Warden and Boldred. We've already mentioned the Mirdops, the Gawtrybe and the pygmy shrews; I'd say the cannibal lizards were also smack-worthy. I'm not sure that old hedgehog who drugged them with the cherries exactly deserved a smack, but he wasn't the nicest of creatures. It's a wonder they made it to Noonvale at all!
very well LIly we'll leave the stiff-necked one alone and cease the argufyin'
Quote from: Ciaran Galedeep on June 19, 2012, 02:33:43 PM
very well LIly we'll leave the stiff-necked one alone and cease the argufyin'
At first I thought you meant me... lol... Merdops could've REALLY used some smaking! And what was wrong with Celandine? She iked Gonff at that was pretty much it?
Quote from: danflorreguba on June 19, 2012, 07:23:14 PM
Quote from: Ciaran Galedeep on June 19, 2012, 02:33:43 PM
very well LIly we'll leave the stiff-necked one alone and cease the argufyin'
At first I thought you meant me... lol... Merdops could've REALLY used some smaking! And what was wrong with Celandine? She iked Gonff at that was pretty much it?
No no, you're thinking of Columbine. Celandine was the squirrel in Martin the Warrior who was smitten with Felldoh and was very prissy.
Lily, you reminded me of someone, I can't exactly remember what book it was in though I have a feeling it was Doomwyte. That hedgehog who claimed she was the queen of bee's and gave them that sweet honey.
Quote from: Flandor on June 19, 2012, 07:38:41 PM
Quote from: danflorreguba on June 19, 2012, 07:23:14 PM
Quote from: Ciaran Galedeep on June 19, 2012, 02:33:43 PM
very well LIly we'll leave the stiff-necked one alone and cease the argufyin'
At first I thought you meant me... lol... Merdops could've REALLY used some smaking! And what was wrong with Celandine? She iked Gonff at that was pretty much it?
No no, you're thinking of Columbine. Celandine was the squirrel in Martin the Warrior who was smitten with Felldoh and was very prissy.
I thought the name sounded weird! Whole-heartedly agree with y'all now! She could use the smack. So darn prissy and self-focused!....... (Didn't I just describe the human race? [self-focused, not neccesarily prissy])
Oh, I so want to smack Blodd Apis from Doomwyte
Quote from: W0NWILL on June 18, 2012, 04:26:01 AM
2: Cendaline, way too prissy
Huuuhh! You are EVIL!
I saw nothing wrong with Celandine, even though she's not one of my favorites
You guys should re-read Martin the Warrior! She was soooooo Prissy and arrogant, easily shaming Treeroses' prissiness.
DRUWP!!!!! WAGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!
Quote from: Skipper on June 19, 2012, 07:41:57 PM
Lily, you reminded me of someone, I can't exactly remember what book it was in though I have a feeling it was Doomwyte. That hedgehog who claimed she was the queen of bee's and gave them that sweet honey.
Blodd Apis! You're right, the two incidents were very similar. What is it with crazy hedgehogs and drugging innocent woodlanders? Maybe if they'd received a good smacking they wouldn't have been so nasty. ;)
Quote from: Tiria Wildlough on June 25, 2012, 09:30:12 AM
Quote from: MatthiasMan on June 20, 2012, 12:07:56 AM
Quote from: W0NWILL on June 18, 2012, 04:26:01 AM
2: Cendaline, way too prissy
Huuuhh! You are EVIL!
I'm evil too. ;D Celandine is stupid and prissy.
I guess that makes ME evil as well.... She's a squirrel but I still don't like her, that should tell you someting! :D
I admit that Trefoil, Keyla, and Brome were way smarter than her.
Without hesitation, Viola. At the beginning of The Pearls of Lutra is a small vole mannered and whining over nothing. The kind of brat that I want to slap so hard that she will remember all her life!
(I'm rather aggressive, but that's what I think of it)
I want to slap her so hard, her Grandchildren will have a bruise! ;D
I'd have to say mattimeo. he always annoyed me. Plus, he never really did anything other than get kiddnapped and have a kid.
Quote from: xxmpxx on August 01, 2012, 07:17:15 PM
I'd have to say mattimeo. he always annoyed me. Plus, he never really did anything other than get kiddnapped and have a kid.
I'd like to slap Vitch and Cynthia. They really annoyed me
Yeah, Cynthia was annoying.
And the Gawtribe
OH YEAH, the Gawtrybe! I just wanted to slap them until their faces go purple!
Quote from: Tiria Wildlough on August 01, 2012, 11:00:41 PM
OH YEAH, the Gawtrybe! I just wanted to slap them until their faces go purple!
I'd like to slap Mattimeo
brook, the otter from rakkety tam. WHY WONT SHE STOP LAUGHING?!?!?
She didn't laugh as much as the text implied.
Hon Rosie and Scarum annoyed me, they qualify for a slapping in my book.
Yes, Scarum deserved to be slapped about. :D
1. Cynthia Bankvole. She frustrated me fromt he start; but after she got captured I warmed upt o her. Then in the next book she went back to frustrating...
2. King Bull Sparra. Beautifully thought-out character, of course, but his personality iffed me (but then, didn't it us all? :D)
3. Fenno. A cowardly murderer, that's all I need to say.
4. High Queen Silth. Her greed and cowardice, hiding behind her "beautiful" items and calling on her guards to chase away a trick "ghost", I think we can all agree she was loathsome.
5. Rusvul. The way he treated Dann... I still haven't gotten past that.
Quote from: Orisse on August 05, 2012, 02:44:11 AM
1. Cynthia Bankvole. She frustrated me fromt he start; but after she got captured I warmed upt o her. Then in the next book she went back to frustrating...
2. King Bull Sparra. Beautifully thought-out character, of course, but his personality iffed me (but then, didn't it us all? :D)
3. Fenno. A cowardly murderer, that's all I need to say.
4. High Queen Silth. Her greed and cowardice, hiding behind her "beautiful" items and calling on her guards to chase away a trick "ghost", I think we can all agree she was loathsome.
5. Rusvul. The way he treated Dann... I still haven't gotten past that.
What's this with everyone wanting to smack Rusvul! He knows it was bad, he learned his lesson! He does not, I repeat, DOES NOT, deserve to be smacked!... Maybe at the start as a " Get your act together!" kind of thing, but you can't judge someone by past mistakes... Are YOU perfect? Using this reasoning you are saying that we should all be smacking each 24/7!
Quote from: danflorreguba on August 06, 2012, 01:41:59 AM
Quote from: Orisse on August 05, 2012, 02:44:11 AM
1. Cynthia Bankvole. She frustrated me fromt he start; but after she got captured I warmed upt o her. Then in the next book she went back to frustrating...
2. King Bull Sparra. Beautifully thought-out character, of course, but his personality iffed me (but then, didn't it us all? :D)
3. Fenno. A cowardly murderer, that's all I need to say.
4. High Queen Silth. Her greed and cowardice, hiding behind her "beautiful" items and calling on her guards to chase away a trick "ghost", I think we can all agree she was loathsome.
5. Rusvul. The way he treated Dann... I still haven't gotten past that.
What's this with everyone wanting to smack Rusvul! He knows it was bad, he learned his lesson! He does not, I repeat, DOES NOT, deserve to be smacked!... Maybe at the start as a " Get your act together!" kind of thing, but you can't judge someone by past mistakes... Are YOU perfect? Using this reasoning you are saying that we should all be smacking each 24/7!
Sorry, but that's just how I feel. Of course there's the "get it together" thing, yes. But then there's always the fact that from the start, he never really trsuted Dann. Yes, he learned his lesson; but in my opinion, you need a bit more than an apology to make up for calling your own son a coward. But Dann forgave him, and that's what counts.
Yeah, I agree. Maybe we should leave that topic alone. If someone doesn't like Rusvul, that's their affair.
Kind of interesting that you're the one to be telling ME that after you and numerous other people on this Forum have blasted me for my belief that Rose didn't die. :P
I agree with Orisse.
there were very few annoying characters (example; Yoofus Lightpaw) that irked me, really, but I have to say...
Gruven
Scarum
Vitch
Log-a-Log Jangles Bigboat (or something like that. can't remember exactly)
Quote from: danflorreguba on August 06, 2012, 05:02:01 PM
Kind of interesting that you're the one to be telling ME that after you and numerous other people on this Forum have blasted me for my belief that Rose didn't die. :P
I think we all learned a lesson from the whole Rose thing. Besides, I didn't blast you, I TRIED to tell you reasonably.
Anyway, back to people we'd smack...
Quote from: Orisse on August 06, 2012, 02:28:15 AM
Quote from: danflorreguba on August 06, 2012, 01:41:59 AM
Quote from: Orisse on August 05, 2012, 02:44:11 AM
1. Cynthia Bankvole. She frustrated me fromt he start; but after she got captured I warmed upt o her. Then in the next book she went back to frustrating...
2. King Bull Sparra. Beautifully thought-out character, of course, but his personality iffed me (but then, didn't it us all? :D)
3. Fenno. A cowardly murderer, that's all I need to say.
4. High Queen Silth. Her greed and cowardice, hiding behind her "beautiful" items and calling on her guards to chase away a trick "ghost", I think we can all agree she was loathsome.
5. Rusvul. The way he treated Dann... I still haven't gotten past that.
What's this with everyone wanting to smack Rusvul! He knows it was bad, he learned his lesson! He does not, I repeat, DOES NOT, deserve to be smacked!... Maybe at the start as a " Get your act together!" kind of thing, but you can't judge someone by past mistakes... Are YOU perfect? Using this reasoning you are saying that we should all be smacking each 24/7!
Sorry, but that's just how I feel. Of course there's the "get it together" thing, yes. But then there's always the fact that from the start, he never really trsuted Dann. Yes, he learned his lesson; but in my opinion, you need a bit more than an apology to make up for calling your own son a coward. But Dann forgave him, and that's what counts.
I agree with danflor, I don't think Rusvul really ever hated Dann or didn't trust him. Yes, he may have had anger issues. No, that does not prove that he hated his son. And you have to admit that Dann, Song, and Dipp kinda weren't actually doing their job, so at least Rusvul had a reason for being mad.
Whoa.... This is kinda off-topic but... SOMEONE JUST AGREED WITH ME! That like... Never happens. Anyway.
Like pretty much everyone else, I'd really LOVE to smack Cynthia and Viola (more Viola than Cynthia).... I'd kind of like to smack whats her name from Martin the Warrior.... was it Celandine?
Quote from: danflorreguba on August 09, 2012, 05:24:13 PM
Whoa.... This is kinda off-topic but... SOMEONE JUST AGREED WITH ME! That like... Never happens. Anyway.
Like pretty much everyone else, I'd really LOVE to smack Cynthia and Viola (more Viola than Cynthia).... I'd kind of like to smack whats her name from Martin the Warrior.... was it Celandine?
I don't remember Viola
Viola is tht ridiculously prissy vole from Pearls of Lutra... She drives me NUTS!
vitch >:(
I HATE THAT GUY
oh yea vitch, been a long time since i read that one
I'd have liked to throw off a cliff into a pit of sharks smack all the insolent characters(like Plugg). The rude ones with bad manners, basically.
Quote from: Skyblade on September 02, 2012, 06:51:18 AM
I'd have liked to throw off a cliff into a pit of sharks smack all the insolent characters(like Plugg). The rude ones with bad manners, basically.
AMEN! :)
Definetly most tyrant leaders espically with slaves
This may seem odd, but I wanted to smack Martin in the TV series every time he said "I must reclaim my father's sword". He said that at just about the end of every sentence, and it got a little annoying.
In the books, I wanted to smack Bryony (I didn't like her final conclusion about Veil), Urthstripe, Slipp, Pitru, Skorr Axehound, and, to some extent, Sunflash and Felldoh (I liked them, it's just that they were too head-strong).
The Forthrights from Taggerung. So annoying.
cant rememer his name but the dad of the reguba guy.
here they are in order:
1. Scarum
2. Gruven
3. Yoofus
4. Druwp
5. Vitch
6. Cynthia
and 7. Jeefra
Pakatugg from Mariel of Redwall, every time I read about him, I wanted to smack him! Tammo's dad from the Long Patrol.
I'd also want to smack Gruven from Taggerung
Quote from: phoenixfoden on September 19, 2012, 11:02:27 PM
cant rememer his name but the dad of the reguba guy.
What is it that everyone has against Rusval! He made a mistkae early on and regretted it later, and fixed the issue! Come on! My username, and favorite character in the entire series revolves around him, yet I don't flip out at him, why? Because we are all just as accountable as he is! He realized his own mistake!
Dann, don't start. ;) People are allowed to dislike Rusvul.
This started a LONG time ago, and while others have the right to their opinion, I have the right to defend those their opinions offend.
Yeah, but Lily said a long time ago that we should leave the Rusvul topic alone. That means people are allowed to say they don't like him, but we aren't allowed to argue about it.
Well that's just plain stupid! Why can't we defend those we respect! That's complete injustice! What if I said I wanted to smack Tiria because she was way over-played? You'd naturally want to defend her. There is nothing wrong with my defense of Rusval, especially since it's OTHER PEOPLE that keep bringing it back up.
Please, it's the respect of other people's opinion. This has gone up many times, just defend him once and get sorta over it. It's really odd that it's me saying that.
Back on topic...
Yoofus
Welfo
Kurda
Quote from: danflorreguba on October 06, 2012, 05:02:25 AM
Well that's just plain stupid! Why can't we defend those we respect! That's complete injustice! What if I said I wanted to smack Tiria because she was way over-played? You'd naturally want to defend her. There is nothing wrong with my defense of Rusval, especially since it's OTHER PEOPLE that keep bringing it back up.
People have said that about Tiria in other threads, and I did defend her, but I didn't absolutely go ballistic (I did in real life, though. ;))
King Araltum and Idga drayqueen
Quote from: Tiria Wildlough on October 06, 2012, 10:39:45 PM
Quote from: danflorreguba on October 06, 2012, 05:02:25 AM
Well that's just plain stupid! Why can't we defend those we respect! That's complete injustice! What if I said I wanted to smack Tiria because she was way over-played? You'd naturally want to defend her. There is nothing wrong with my defense of Rusval, especially since it's OTHER PEOPLE that keep bringing it back up.
People have said that about Tiria in other threads, and I did defend her, but I didn't absolutely go ballistic (I did in real life, though. ;))
I never went Balistic. That was normal, though I was certainly ready to go balistic for the millionth time bevause peopl keep bringing him back up.
Quote from: Skipper on October 09, 2012, 07:19:29 PM
King Araltum and Idga drayqueen
I could almost imagine that as instigating something except for the fact that I totally agree with you... lol. :D
Quote from: danflorreguba on October 09, 2012, 07:35:49 PM
Quote from: Skipper on October 09, 2012, 07:19:29 PM
King Araltum and Idga drayqueen
I could almost imagine that as instigating something except for the fact that I totally agree with you... lol. :D
Me too. "Did you find our flag? Your drayqueen spent a lot of time working on that banner..."
What a jerk.
I wanted to slap most of the shrews in the later books. As the series progressed they got more and more obnoxious. Especially Osbil from Eulalia!. AHHH! TOO MUCH STUBBORNNESS! CANNOT THINK ANYMORE!!! :o :o
I've always seen the shrews as overly stubborn. Smack worthy---eh, not really either.
Quote from: Lutra on October 11, 2012, 11:19:05 PM
I've always seen the shrews as overly stubborn. Smack worthy---eh, not really either.
What qualifies a character as smack worthy in your opinion?
Quote from: Skipper on October 09, 2012, 07:19:29 PM
King Araltum and Idga drayqueen
You said it......oh and their son........I just finish Rakkety Tam.
Quote from: Redwallfan7 on October 11, 2012, 11:38:13 PM
Quote from: Lutra on October 11, 2012, 11:19:05 PM
I've always seen the shrews as overly stubborn. Smack worthy---eh, not really either.
What qualifies a character as smack worthy in your opinion?
My posts on smack worthy characters are somewhere on page 1 or 2 of this thread.
Quote from: Redwallfan7 on October 11, 2012, 11:38:13 PM
Quote from: Lutra on October 11, 2012, 11:19:05 PM
I've always seen the shrews as overly stubborn. Smack worthy---eh, not really either.
What qualifies a character as smack worthy in your opinion?
mine is if it is annoying charicter.
Quote from: Tiria Wildlough on October 11, 2012, 11:16:04 PM
I wanted to slap most of the shrews in the later books. As the series progressed they got more and more obnoxious. Especially Osbil from Eulalia!. AHHH! TOO MUCH STUBBORNNESS! CANNOT THINK ANYMORE!!! :o :o
Ohhhh yes.... The worst in my opinion, was Tugga bRUSTER, with Flib coming a close second.... She was so full of herself! And talk about stubborn! Tugga was just your plain old bully.
Tugga Bruster doesn't really count for me because he was pretty much evil.
Oh yeah, I don't like Flib either.
In my list there's
Scarum
Vitch
Dinjer
dwopple
my list
reguba
vitch
mattimeo
and maybey prince of mouse thievs. stealing is not right.
You're pulling strings that could cause some MAJOR repurcusions, and they will NOT end well.
Dann, stop it. :D
we are all entiteld to voice are veiws dan
The Forthrights
Vitch
The Gawtribe
And Reguba of course. Just kidding Dann.
You know, when EVERYONE, says the SAME BEAST, and you just so happen to care, it gets annoying when EVERYONE says bad things about em'... Haven't you guys said it enough! JEEZ!
Quote from: danflorreguba on October 16, 2012, 01:04:16 AM
You know, when EVERYONE, says the SAME BEAST, and you just so happen to care, it gets annoying when EVERYONE says bad things about em'... Haven't you guys said it enough! JEEZ!
Calm down, Dann. Like some members have stated before, everyone is entitled to their own opinion on here. I understand that you're a Reguba fan. You can still like him and let other members have their own opinions of him. I like Rasconza from Pearls of Lutra, but if others on here don't like him I won't get upset over it.
I think he's annoying. But everyone has their own opinions.
Her, and who would dislike a vermin that turned? Disrespecting someone who has made a mistake, and learned from it is worth being disrespected in and of itself. If everyone is going to say the SAME thing, then I am going to reply with the SAME thing. You guys started it, I'm going to finish it.
I'd like to slap some of the shrews, especially Tugga Bruster. I guess to me, stubbornness looks better on certain characters than it does others.
I was joking about Reguba. I just read Marlfox and I think that he was completely justified in yelling at Dann.
Quote from: AxeHound on October 16, 2012, 01:21:39 AM
I was joking about Reguba. I just read Marlfox and I think that he was completely justified in yelling at Dann.
What good father calls his son a coward?
That's the area where I DO have issues with him, but I have a certain respect for him because he realized his mistakes, and Axehound, there was no justification, Dannflor did all in his power to stop the Marlfoxes, but Dippler dropped his pike which tripped both of them up.
I didn't like Dann that much either...
Well thanks ever so much. >:( WHAT COULD YOU POSSIBLY HAVE AGAINST HIM!
Quote from: danflorreguba on October 16, 2012, 02:14:14 AM
That's the area where I DO have issues with him, but I have a certain respect for him because he realized his mistakes, and Axehound, there was no justification, Dannflor did all in his power to stop the Marlfoxes, but Dippler dropped his pike which tripped both of them up.
They were supposed to be guarding! What were they doing basically having a party?!?!?!?
Lol, well said. ;D
Quote from: Tiria Wildlough on October 16, 2012, 01:26:19 AM
Quote from: AxeHound on October 16, 2012, 01:21:39 AM
I was joking about Reguba. I just read Marlfox and I think that he was completely justified in yelling at Dann.
What good father calls his son a coward?
Look at the circumstances: an Abbeybird had just been killed, the kids hadn't been doing their job, and the tapestry was stolen. Rusvul had a right to be mad. It wasn't right of him to call Dann a coward, but he realized it later on and sincerely apologized.
If it was the long patrol it would be understandable but it's at redwall and it's his son, he should have atleast done it in private.
Oh my gosh, seriously you guys!? You all need to go and read Marlfox again, they WERE doing there job, they kept watch, but are they just supposed to sit and twiddle their thumbs? They were keeping themselves occupied. You'll notice that they did notice the approaching vermin, but Song got a bird thrown in her face, and Dippler and Dannflower tripped on Dipplers pike. (gr!) They DID do their job, they just didn't have the odds on their sides. And Axehound, that was completely uncalled for, they were NOT having a party, they were talking and had a couple nuts while they guarded (cavern Hole?). I hardly call that a party. And now we come back to WHY do you guys keep opening the same wounds? This is getting ridiculous.
I say Rusvul was wrong: Dann gets mad.
I say Rusvul was right: Dann gets mad.
Is there no pleasing him?
Ok ok lets just then not talk about Rusvul in this topic.....I haven't read Marlfox so I can't say right from wrong.
i might cause some explosions but maybe a poll an reguba to settle it?
All this over a book character....some people need to find a fridge and chill. Seriously. Agree to disagree and let's move on to the next topic please.
Quote from: Lutra on October 16, 2012, 09:51:14 PM
All this over a book character....some people need to find a fridge and chill. Seriously. Agree to disagree and let's move on to the next topic please.
Agreed.
Quote from: AxeHound on October 16, 2012, 08:09:27 PM
I say Rusvul was wrong: Dann gets mad.
I say Rusvul was right: Dann gets mad.
Is there no pleasing him?
Seriously dude? What I'm getting mad about, is the fact that one ever takes the hint that maybe we've talked about this enough, I'm one step short from saying something that I know I'd get in trouble for! Now seriously just drop the stupid topic already! And if you please, stop bring it back up!!! I was sick of it the first time it came up, and this is about the 20th time. Now please just leave him alone!
Its up to them if they want to say they don't like him.
Anyway I hated Bigfang from the bellmaker, he was really annoying and I was glad when Greypatch killed him.
I also want to smack Nimbalo. When I was reading Taggerung, I sometimes wished that he would stop being so boing-boing-bouncy. >:(
Yoofus Lightpaw wasn't all that interesting to me.
Quote from: Redwallfan7 on October 19, 2012, 12:36:52 AM
Yoofus Lightpaw wasn't all that interesting to me.
I don't like characters that I can't trust.
The Flitchaye bunch. Yuck!
The flitchaye were SO annoying!
Quote from: AxeHound on October 23, 2012, 01:03:21 AM
The flitchaye were SO annoying!
I couldn't agree more!
I just want to smack Vitch upside the head. He was sooooo annoying!
that queen's brat in martin the warrior....hmmm id like to smack her to.
Haha, the one that Martin wanted to give a hug to? Hug around the neck and squeeze tighter and tighter? Yeah, he was annoying.
Dinjer, Dinjer, Dinjer.... ugh.
by smack do we mean slap or punch?
Or that one water rat that kept on throughing stuff a calling names to the travers on the boat or raft in one of the books.
when he got a stone on the tail he got what he deserved but his father was a bit to hard on him.
Quote from: phoenixfoden on October 24, 2012, 09:30:05 PM
when he got a stone on the tail he got what he deserved but his father was a bit to hard on him.
yes thats the one, vermin vermin, what book was that again......my guess is The legend of Luke but I could be wrong.
Yeah, he was from Legend of Luke.
^^thanks
Merradink and his wife Campathia because they were annoying (Taggerung).
Yes!!! The Forthrights were irritating!
Quote from: Skipper on October 29, 2012, 03:33:58 PM
Merradink and his wife Campathia because they were annoying (Taggerung).
Seconded!
Quote from: Redwallfan7 on October 29, 2012, 05:33:33 PM
Quote from: Skipper on October 29, 2012, 03:33:58 PM
Merradink and his wife Campathia because they were annoying (Taggerung).
Seconded!
THIRDED THIRDED THIRDED THIRDED THIRDED!!!!! GGGAAAAAAAAAAH! They drove me nuts!
Punch VITCH!
Kick vitch!
Turn Vitch inside-out!
And back in again!
I get the sense we don't like Vitch on this forum. :P
Very good observation. Seems that my studies show you're right.
Yes lets just hope some one doesn't use him as there user name. :-\
I thought Vitch was funny. :D It was Mattimeo that I didn't like.
I dont like either of them!
Quote from: Tiria Wildlough on November 19, 2012, 08:19:17 PM
I thought Vitch was funny. :D It was Mattimeo that I didn't like.
They were both snotty brats at the start.... Difference is that Mattimeo learned, and Vitch didn't.
Quote from: danflorreguba on November 20, 2012, 02:36:20 AM
Quote from: Tiria Wildlough on November 19, 2012, 08:19:17 PM
I thought Vitch was funny. :D It was Mattimeo that I didn't like.
They were both snotty brats at the start.... Difference is that Mattimeo learned, and Vitch didn't.
Right.
No, because Vitch died, didn't he?
He wasent even given the chance to change when he was around slagar.
Poor Vitch. He was my favorite Mattimeo character. I was so upset when he died. :'(
So? (Yes, Slagar slew Vitch with his Bolas, then ran down a whole XD)
P.S. What the heck does XD mean?
:D
Lol i dont know either!
It's laughing so hard you fall over. = XD
My list is:
1. Skittles
2.Scarum
Quote from: Lord Gorath on November 21, 2012, 09:52:18 PM
It's laughing so hard you fall over. = XD
My list is:
1. Skittles
2.Scarum
IT'S NOT SKITTLES! IT'S SKIDDLES!
XD Yay, I DO know what it REALLY is. :D
Quote from: Lord Gorath on November 21, 2012, 09:52:18 PM
It's laughing so hard you fall over. = XD
My list is:
1. Skittles
2.Scarum
I thouught Skittles was cute. I agree about Scarum though, it seemed like he never really listened or respected anyone else.
Quote from: Orinoco on November 20, 2012, 10:05:28 PM
Poor Vitch. He was my favorite Mattimeo character. I was so upset when he died. :'(
you liked vitch?
*deep in thought*
do you think he could have changed?
Quote from: U.N.K.N.O.W.N. on November 29, 2012, 04:31:09 PM
Quote from: Orinoco on November 20, 2012, 10:05:28 PM
Poor Vitch. He was my favorite Mattimeo character. I was so upset when he died. :'(
you liked vitch?
*deep in thought*
do you think he could have changed?
Well, he might have. He really didn't seem to be evil at all - I would say he was mislead. Maybe if he didn't have Slagar threatining him, he could have at least found a peaceful life somewhere. Same goes for all minor villains.
Quote from: Orinoco on November 29, 2012, 09:34:13 PM
Well, he might have. He really didn't seem to be evil at all - I would say he was mislead. Maybe if he didn't have Slagar threatining him, he could have at least found a peaceful life somewhere. Same goes for all minor villains.
I agree. I don't think a lot of the minor villains were innately evil. I think they were either mislead, blinded by the thought of riches and honour, or just forced in to it. But there are some who really are evil. I think this is particularly evident in
Redwall, when Cluny gets his captains to find more recruits under the threat of death. Some need some "convincing" (aka the threat of death to them and there families), but some jump at the idea at being in Cluny's horde, positive it'll be the side that wins, and therefore will receive treasures. I wonder if they actually would have got any?
All that being said, I still wish I could smack Vitch. ;)
Slagar pretty much made vitch the way he was.
Vitch, Veil, and Bryony.
Quote from: Orinoco on November 29, 2012, 09:34:13 PM
Quote from: U.N.K.N.O.W.N. on November 29, 2012, 04:31:09 PM
Quote from: Orinoco on November 20, 2012, 10:05:28 PM
Poor Vitch. He was my favorite Mattimeo character. I was so upset when he died. :'(
you liked vitch?
*deep in thought*
do you think he could have changed?
Well, he might have. He really didn't seem to be evil at all - I would say he was mislead. Maybe if he didn't have Slagar threatining him, he could have at least found a peaceful life somewhere. Same goes for all minor villains.
so vitch was a victim
In a way. He let himself be led by Slagar. He could've left the band or he could at least be a bit nicer to soem beasts. That would have changed my opinion on him.
Quote from: redwallgurl on December 01, 2012, 08:07:29 PM
In a way. He let himself be led by Slagar. He could've left the band or he could at least be a bit nicer to soem beasts. That would have changed my opinion on him.
I know this is off topic but I saw that you spelled the word "some" as "soem". Is that how you spell it in your country?
Have you ever heard of a "typo?" ;)
Vitch was in no ways a victim, those he met were. He gleefully beat Mattimeo, said nasty things about his father instigating the fight. He never showed any signs of possible good.
I think the Queen and King in Rakkety Tam were annoying.
Vitch was definitely evil. Smack him!
*Smacks Vitch*
Yeah!
*kicks vitch*
and he was so nasty to all of the kidnapped,not only to mattimeo (who was anoying at first ;))!
*throw an egg on vitch*
I'd like to smack Log-a-Log Tugga Bruster
*throws tugga bruster to the lizards*
Quote from: Skipper on June 09, 2012, 10:57:13 AM
in no specific order
1.Vitch, teased the slaves and wined like a baby when being challenged by th slaves.
2.Antigra, she was the mother of Gruven and was stubborn and annoying.
3.Jurkin, he was leader of the Dillypins and was in Taggerung, he was arrogant and rude.
4.Kurda, she was cruel,arrogant and was always ordering everyone about.
5.Ferdimond De Mayne, he was always making smart remarks to Doogy and it seemed that he thought he was better than him.
DEFINITELY Kurda. I'd love to give her a good smack upside the head lol
Quote from: Buckler The Leg Buckler on December 02, 2012, 08:48:17 PM
I think the Queen and King in Rakkety Tam were annoying.
I forgot about those two....I'd consider them more annoying than Vitch. They're far older and ought to not be acting like spoiled babes at their age.
Yeah, they're just idiots.
Wrong word, an idiot is someone who is incompetent. They proved their competence, but showed forth their true cowardly insides.
Ok then they are losers!
yeah someone else needs to rule
NO Body hit me but sometimes I want to smack the abbot in the book Redwall
I know he's a very peaceful creature but come on this is war
Of corse, nobody wants to smack the great Ungatt Trunn ;D! I'm just too handsom and powerful to be smacked!
*smacks Ungatt Trunn*
Give it to him hard
Quote from: Martin the warrior on February 20, 2013, 12:47:52 AM
Give it to him hard
WHAT!?!? *Smacks Mattio and Martin the Warrior* You two dare smack the great Ungatt Trunn!?!?
BOT (back on topic)
I'd like to smack most of the vermin
me to me to
Quote from: Martin the warrior on February 20, 2013, 12:51:29 AM
me to me to
Except Ungatt Trunn. How 'bout Razzid Wearet? I mean, he tortured an otter to death! How bad is that?
that's pretty bad
Razzid Wearat is HORRIBLE! I absolutely hated what he did to those two ferrets, Ironhook and the other one :'(
Tsarmina, the wearats, Ungatt Trunn, that one Wildcat from High Rhulain. I'd say taht those were some of THE worst (as in evil) villains in the series, all worth far more than smacking.
Believe me, you're not the only one who like a vermin everyone else hates. I'm taking a risk by mentioning him here....although it is pretty obvious because of my profile pic...Verdauga!
Quote5) Rusvul Reguba (appears in Marlfox)
I hated this guy. Yes, his wife died. No, that does not make the way he treated Dann excusable. Seriously, he was ridiculously cruel to his own son and mean to everyone around him. He seemed almost unrealistically heartless. I couldn't believe he didn't receive more scorn from the other abbey-dwellers.
- you can't hate him he was just over critical 8)
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5) Rusvul Reguba (appears in Marlfox)
I hated this guy. Yes, his wife died. No, that does not make the way he treated Dann excusable. Seriously, he was ridiculously cruel to his own son and mean to everyone around him. He seemed almost unrealistically heartless. I couldn't believe he didn't receive more scorn from the other abbey-dwellers.
>:(
you can't hate him he was just over critical 8)
this is what her
[?] post should have been, although the post was a reply to a person who isn't even on the forum anymore, so kind of pointless.
I don't see why some of you would like to smack Rusvul Reguba. I like Rusvul Reguba, he was a good warrior and he became a better father at the end.
Well...
at least you never said you would smack Verdauga
Of course I wouldn't! He was one of the batter vermin in the series, he wasn't a tyrant, he was a ruler.
Psy, thank you so much for that post. :)
Sorry about getting on your case Rachel, I was quite confused about that post. :)
And thank you Leatho for considering the whole story, not many people do that when it comes to Rusval.
I would like to smack Vitch and the whiney wildcat boy from High Rhulain. He was so annoying.
I don't know why Rusvul is such a touchy topic. He wasn't even a prominent character in the book.
Anyway, I think Skor deserves a smack. I just can't believe how merciless he was.
Quote from: Orinoco on February 21, 2013, 03:07:51 PM
Anyway, I think Skor deserves a smack. I just can't believe how merciless he was.
Maybe, his crew were like "good" vikings. But it was needed for survival. They had to be like that...or the vermin would have killed them all, they had to make a name and reputation to protect there families. They weren't living at the abbey with Salamandastron protecting to coast and with miles of flat land in between with big strong walls....they were out on the coast, far away from any help and vulnerable to attack from all sides by vermin.
What was the name of the really mean Log-a-log? I want to smack him to. He was so mean to the other shrew. I was glad when he died. (Sorry I don't remember who it was or what book.)
Quote from: 321tumbler on February 21, 2013, 06:00:06 PM
What was the name of the really mean Log-a-log? I want to smack him to. He was so mean to the other shrew. I was glad when he died. (Sorry I don't remember who it was or what book.)
Tugga Bruster, yes me too.
Ungatt (the user) is right. Trunn wasn't the worst villain, compared to Swartt (for obvious reasons) and Razzid (who found horrendous ways to hurt or kill his own crew).
Swartt? Really? I was thinking Razzid, Vilaya, and Cluny were the worst villains.
Well, Swartt did abandon his son and ignore his wife. He didn't really do anything other than that, though.
How was Cluny one of the worst? I thought he was fairly civilized.
I like Cluny. He was smart
I don't know if i mentioned this before but I'd love to smack Gruven, he annoyed me soo much!
Recently re-read Marlfox. Yeah, Rusvul didn't deserve to get smacked. He did deserve a harsh talking-to after yelleng at Dann, and I think he got one, right? Anyway, problem solved.
I wanted to smack all the Marlfoxes. But especially Silth.
Death to Silth.
She was like a whiny infant
Silth: *throws temper tantrum like a baby* Waaahhhhhh.... I want the music louder! I hate the sound of the rain! Waaaaahhhh! :'(
Ugh. I think BJ overdid that a little
Down with Silth!
Quote from: AxeHound on February 27, 2013, 05:10:09 PM
Recently re-read Marlfox. Yeah, Rusvul didn't deserve to get smacked. He did deserve a harsh talking-to after yelleng at Dann, and I think he got one, right? Anyway, problem solved.
I wanted to smack all the Marlfoxes. But especially Silth.
I'm afraid I don't agree with you about the way Rusvul treated his son. Just because his wife died didn't mean that he could treat his son like that that. If I'd have the chance, I'd smack him real good.
Quote from: Ungatt Trunn on February 28, 2013, 08:47:29 PM
Quote from: AxeHound on February 27, 2013, 05:10:09 PM
Recently re-read Marlfox. Yeah, Rusvul didn't deserve to get smacked. He did deserve a harsh talking-to after yelleng at Dann, and I think he got one, right? Anyway, problem solved.
I wanted to smack all the Marlfoxes. But especially Silth.
I'm afraid I don't agree with you about the way Rusvul treated his son. Just because his wife died didn't mean that he could treat his son like that that. If I'd have the chance, I'd smack him real good.
I don't see why you would like to smack Rusvul Reguba. I like Rusvul Reguba, he was a good warrior and he became a better father at the end
Quote from: Leatho Shellhound on February 28, 2013, 08:52:07 PM
Quote from: Ungatt Trunn on February 28, 2013, 08:47:29 PM
Quote from: AxeHound on February 27, 2013, 05:10:09 PM
Recently re-read Marlfox. Yeah, Rusvul didn't deserve to get smacked. He did deserve a harsh talking-to after yelleng at Dann, and I think he got one, right? Anyway, problem solved.
I wanted to smack all the Marlfoxes. But especially Silth.
I'm afraid I don't agree with you about the way Rusvul treated his son. Just because his wife died didn't mean that he could treat his son like that that. If I'd have the chance, I'd smack him real good.
I don't see why you would like to smack Rusvul Reguba. I like Rusvul Reguba, he was a good warrior and he became a better father at the end
He just really peeved me off for some reason.
He might have been a little hard, but that came from being a warrior. He helped save the abbey and became a better father at the end.
Quote from: Leatho Shellhound on February 28, 2013, 09:09:51 PM
He might have been a little hard, but that came from being a warrior. He helped save the abbey and became a better father at the end.
I guess I'll have to agree with you, but he still probobly contributes to the fact that Marlfox is my least favourite Redwall book in the series.
We all have different opinions on things, there is no reason to get upset. Calm down and continue discussion in a respectful manner, thank you.
Things on this topic have gotten out of hand. As a result, this topic will be locked for a few days in order for things to cool down. Please remember to respect everyone's opinions on things, even if you strongly disagree with them.
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well done mate war did break out their good thing you stop it before it got really out of hand :o
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well done mate war did break out their good thing you stop it before it got really out of hand :o
Well, not all out war, but getting close. You wanna see war? Rewind back in the day when AbbotAlf and I got going, THAT was war.
@Topic: I'm kind of surprised the topic is back already.
Really thought Nimbalo had something coming to him, and really deserved some discipline.
Nimbalo? ???
Quote from: 321tumbler on March 06, 2013, 02:25:40 AM
Nimbalo? ???
Yeah, Nimbalo the slayer from
The TaggerungDon't tell Redwallgurl I said that though. :D
I heard that dannflorreguba!! Nimbalo didn't deserve to get smacked he just had a hard life! :D
Quote from: redwallgurl on March 06, 2013, 05:34:39 PM
I heard that dannflorreguba!! Nimbalo didn't deserve to get smacked he just had a hard life! :D
Darn it! :D Who told you!
This is actually very similar to the Rusval scenario. Yeah, he had a hard life, but does that count as an excuse? No, difference is that one learned, and one just became downright mischievous. ;) Anyway, that's where I stand, you're obviously on the side. :)
I would seriously like to smack the vole from Eulalia!!!! what a jerk!
He was nasty!!!!
The whiny little abbeymaid from Pearls of Lutra... The one that Tansy hates. Forgot her name. Vitch was pretty awful, Druwp, like someone said, the entire Gawtribe, Rusvul (Reguba, not me) was a jerk for part of the story, he deserved a slap (And some scorn, but not a lot more than that, he was awesome for some parts of the story, and a good dad at the end), hmm... let's see... Fenno, the awful turncoat shrew, he deserved a slap, in the neck, with the sharp edge of a rapier. Gtg.
1. Druwp
2. Yoofus Lightpaw
3. Tugga Bruster
4. Dinj
5. The son of the Painted Ones chief in Doomwyte
6. Swinkee
7. The newt in Outcast of Redwall
8. Like Rusvul said, the Whiny little Abbeymaid from Pearls of Lutra
9. Fenno
10. Triggut Frap
11. Beequeen from Doomwyte
12. Vitch
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11. Beequeen from Doomwyte
AHHH!!!! She drived me crazy!!!! I hated her!
1. Log-a-Log Tugga Bruster: Undoubtebly the worst Log-a-Log ever.
2. Vitch: An annoying little brat.
3. Rusvul: Was a great warrior, but WAY to harsh on Danflorr.
4. Fenno: Stabbed his own Log-a-Log in the back, and tried to murder Dippler.
5. That mean bankvole from Eulalia, who was rude to Russano, and was later used as bait by the villain.
No one slapped any of the big heroes, so:
1.) Martin The Warrior: Rose is dead, I know, but you need to stop bottling your feelings up and talk to someone about your pain. Rose wouldn't have wanted this for you.
2.) Matthias: It's flippin' inventory. Get it done.
3.) Mattimeo: Put a wee dash of lead in Vitch's tankard every morning, and you will save yourself much trouble.
-Duxwing
Quote from: Duxwing on May 20, 2013, 12:46:46 AM
No one slapped any of the big heroes, so:
1.) Martin The Warrior: Rose is dead, I know, but you need to stop bottling your feelings up and talk to someone about your pain. Rose wouldn't have wanted this for you.
-Duxwing
ok i have to say when i first read this i was like WHAT but now that i think about it that is so true
Quote from: Martin the warrior on May 22, 2013, 06:07:40 PM
Quote from: Duxwing on May 20, 2013, 12:46:46 AM
No one slapped any of the big heroes, so:
1.) Martin The Warrior: Rose is dead, I know, but you need to stop bottling your feelings up and talk to someone about your pain. Rose wouldn't have wanted this for you.
-Duxwing
ok i have to say when i first read this i was like WHAT but now that i think about it that is so true
Same here. Martin needed to "man" up after Rose's death, and take control of things.
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No one slapped any of the big heroes, so:
1.) Martin The Warrior: Rose is dead, I know, but you need to stop bottling your feelings up and talk to someone about your pain. Rose wouldn't have wanted this for you.
-Duxwing
ok i have to say when i first read this i was like WHAT but now that i think about it that is so true
Same here. Martin needed to "man" up after Rose's death, and take control of things.
Love the random asdf quote in your personal text. :D
Anyway, I have to disagree, there was a lot more than that, he lost his mom, his dad left, his caretaker was slain, he was enslaved. He knew NOTHING but hardship from birth! How can you hold something like that against a guy?
Life was hard on him but he should probably not have "shut himself down".
Whatsisface, Riggu Felis' surviving son.
Pitru? Yes he was one I would like to slap.
Quote from: Tam and Martin on May 24, 2013, 09:34:45 PM
Pitru? Yes he was one I would like to slap.
Yes, he's one I forgot to add to my list.
Quote from: danflorreguba on May 23, 2013, 03:28:11 AM
Anyway, I have to disagree, there was a lot more than that, he lost his mom, his dad left, his caretaker was slain, he was enslaved. He knew NOTHING but hardship from birth!
And he bore all that to have a total meltdown after a breakup? Such an eventuality is oh
so convenient for the plot.
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How can you hold something like that against a guy?
I'm not holding it against him. I'm trying to slap him out of his sorry stupor so that he could see that he'd been royally messed up by Rose's death and needed some help. Of course, literally slapping him wouldn't be as effective as talking to him.
-Duxwing
Well, he doesn't really "have a total meltdown" after Rose dies, but he does withdraw into himself for a season or two, but everyone needs time to get over a loss, especially when the person who died was your true love, and she died saving you, and you have faced plenty of other deaths in your life, but I think that Martin deals with it pretty well, at least he doesn't brood over it for the rest of his life and never ever recover.
Quote from: Mask on May 25, 2013, 12:50:57 AM
Well, he doesn't really "have a total meltdown" after Rose dies, but he does withdraw into himself for a season or two, but everyone needs time to get over a loss,
A season or two is a long time to a mouse:
Matthias and Cornflower have Mattimeo at the end of the Summer of the Late Rose (let us ignore the biological difficulties with such a feat for a moment).
Therefore, at the beginning of
Mattimeo, Mattimeo is eight seasons old: no longer a dibbun, but not quite as old as Matthias is at the beginning of
Redwall. An eight year old human child would be incapable of the feats that Mattimeo performs, so the intuitive ratio of one season to one human year is unavailable; Perhaps two seasons equal one human year. Jacques effectively said as much during a book signing in his twentieth year of writing, "I've been writing books for forty seasons," so my proposed ratio holds.
Therefore, if two Redwall seasons equate to one human year, Martin withdraws for almost a year. Such a withdrawal is not only above normal for humans, but for Martin himself because plenty of his fellows die throughout the book, yet he only breaks as badly after Rose's death.
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especially when the person who died was your true love,
Eugh. "True love," my rump. No such thing exists. (I know full well that I sound grumpy and ornery in saying so, but no two people match each other perfectly).
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and she died saving you,
I thought that she just died in battle while Martin watched. If you have a copy, then I'd like to see a quote just to be sure (and, of course, to enjoy Jacques' beautiful prose once more ;D).
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and you have faced plenty of other deaths in your life,
But his nigh nonchalant experience of other deaths is precisely what bothers me when I attempt to understand his breakdown over Rose's death. If they affected him enough to weigh upon him, then he
should have broken down slowly, not all at once.
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but I think that Martin deals with it pretty well, at least he doesn't brood over it for the rest of his life and never ever recover.
He does brood over it for the rest of his life, and he never recovers: he never falls in love again.
-Duxwing
Not a Redwall character, but I'd love to smack Simon Cowell. The fool forces all these silly "reality" TV shows on us, and then says he's bored with talent shows. ::) (Although he likes to think so, Simon Cowell didn't actually invent the idea of Pop Idol, etc. He stole it from much older British and New Zealand TV shows.)
Quote from: Duxwing on May 25, 2013, 03:21:07 AM
Quote from: Mask on May 25, 2013, 12:50:57 AM
Well, he doesn't really "have a total meltdown" after Rose dies, but he does withdraw into himself for a season or two, but everyone needs time to get over a loss,
A season or two is a long time to a mouse:
Matthias and Cornflower have Mattimeo at the end of the Summer of the Late Rose (let us ignore the biological difficulties with such a feat for a moment).
Therefore, at the beginning of Mattimeo, Mattimeo is eight seasons old: no longer a dibbun, but not quite as old as Matthias is at the beginning of Redwall. An eight year old human child would be incapable of the feats that Mattimeo performs, so the intuitive ratio of one season to one human year is unavailable; Perhaps two seasons equal one human year. Jacques effectively said as much during a book signing in his twentieth year of writing, "I've been writing books for forty seasons," so my proposed ratio holds.
Therefore, if two Redwall seasons equate to one human year, Martin withdraws for almost a year. Such a withdrawal is not only above normal for humans, but for Martin himself because plenty of his fellows die throughout the book, yet he only breaks as badly after Rose's death.
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especially when the person who died was your true love,
Eugh. "True love," my rump. No such thing exists. (I know full well that I sound grumpy and ornery in saying so, but no two people match each other perfectly).
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and she died saving you,
I thought that she just died in battle while Martin watched. If you have a copy, then I'd like to see a quote just to be sure (and, of course, to enjoy Jacques' beautiful prose once more ;D).
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and you have faced plenty of other deaths in your life,
But his nigh nonchalant experience of other deaths is precisely what bothers me when I attempt to understand his breakdown over Rose's death. If they affected him enough to weigh upon him, then he should have broken down slowly, not all at once.
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but I think that Martin deals with it pretty well, at least he doesn't brood over it for the rest of his life and never ever recover.
He does brood over it for the rest of his life, and he never recovers: he never falls in love again.
-Duxwing
I wouldn't say that just because he never loves again means he never recovers, many people either only love once, or never love at all, and it is not always because of a previous tragedy, but because they don't find the right person.
And I don't think he broods for the rest of his life, I mean, it still makes him sad and probably angry to think about it, but I think he accepts it and moves along.
Quote from: Mask on May 25, 2013, 05:29:58 AM
I wouldn't say that just because he never loves again means he never recovers, many people either only love once, or never love at all, and it is not always because of a previous tragedy, but because they don't find the right person.
The mouse was in his twenties (relative to human years). He had plenty of time and plenty of beasts.
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And I don't think he broods for the rest of his life, I mean, it still makes him sad and probably angry to think about it, but I think he accepts it and moves along.
He would certainly brood over it whenever he felt love again.
-Duxwing
If you've got a newish version of the Flash plugin, then I've found a website where you can slap Simon Cowell (and other celebrities): Slap A Celebrity: Simon Cowell (http://www.slapacelebrity.com/simon_cowell.html) :)
Quote from: Duxwing on May 25, 2013, 06:16:55 AM
Quote from: Mask on May 25, 2013, 05:29:58 AM
I wouldn't say that just because he never loves again means he never recovers, many people either only love once, or never love at all, and it is not always because of a previous tragedy, but because they don't find the right person.
The mouse was in his twenties (relative to human years). He had plenty of time and plenty of beasts.
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And I don't think he broods for the rest of his life, I mean, it still makes him sad and probably angry to think about it, but I think he accepts it and moves along.
He would certainly brood over it whenever he felt love again.
-Duxwing
Who cares if he decided to be a bachelor!? There's nothing wrong with that, he's a very normal mouse if you pay attention to him in the series, he's got ups, and he's got downs. Brian never took to marriages, so why marry Martin away? BTW, There is such a thing as what is often referred to as this "True love," though I wouldn't name it that, not going to talk about that here though as it could be somewhat inflammatory.
Quote from: danflorreguba on May 28, 2013, 05:00:08 PM
Who cares if he decided to be a bachelor!?
Uh, evidently you and I do because we're discussing it. ;) The anthropic principle of argument can be a badger like that.
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There's nothing wrong with that,
The fact that he remained a bachelor his entire life is not in itself strange; however, the context of his previous love of Rose makes his later celibacy quite strange.
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he's a very normal mouse if you pay attention to him in the series,
Except for that as far as I can remember, not only does he brood for seasons, but he never wants to talk to anyone involved with his Marshank campaign or return to Noonvale ever again.
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he's got ups, and he's got downs.
Some very huge downs, I must say.
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Brian never took to marriages, so why marry Martin away?
Are you sure about that? Matthias married, and so did Mattimeo. The marriage of many Abbeybeasts is also implied by its many Dibbuns and the stable population of creatures within Redwall Abbey.
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BTW, There is such a thing as what is often referred to as this "True love," though I wouldn't name it that, not going to talk about that here though as it could be somewhat inflammatory.
I didn't mean to sound inflamed when I rebut True Love; go ahead, make your point. I don't bite! :)
-Duxwing
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Quote from: danflorreguba on May 28, 2013, 05:00:08 PM
Who cares if he decided to be a bachelor!?
Uh, evidently you and I do because we're discussing it. ;) The anthropic principle of argument can be a badger like that.
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There's nothing wrong with that,
The fact that he remained a bachelor his entire life is not in itself strange; however, the context of his previous love of Rose makes his later celibacy quite strange.
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he's a very normal mouse if you pay attention to him in the series,
Except for that as far as I can remember, not only does he brood for seasons, but he never wants to talk to anyone involved with his Marshank campaign or return to Noonvale ever again.
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he's got ups, and he's got downs.
Some very huge downs, I must say.
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Brian never took to marriages, so why marry Martin away?
Are you sure about that? Matthias married, and so did Mattimeo. The marriage of many Abbeybeasts is also implied by its many Dibbuns and the stable population of creatures within Redwall Abbey.
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BTW, There is such a thing as what is often referred to as this "True love," though I wouldn't name it that, not going to talk about that here though as it could be somewhat inflammatory.
I didn't mean to sound inflamed when I rebut True Love; go ahead, make your point. I don't bite! :)
-Duxwing
Strange? Possibly, but it didn't seem to me like he met many beasts that were his "type," per say.
One, His brooding is mainly in the Legend of Luke which is completely removed from Rose. Two He never gets the chance to talk with anyone from Noonvale.
Well duh (not to sound rude or anything) he loses literally everyone that really meant something to him when he was young [even Timballisto], he's had some pretty nice ups too.
Two distinct marriages and some implied or evident ones, but that's over 22 books, Brian lost a lot of possible romantic qualities that could have been incorporated (say for example, I always thought [and still think] that something HAD to happen between Dannflower and Songbreeze).
As for the last one, I'm avoiding it because it could be inflammatory to many people on the forum, which is why I'm going to continue refraining from posting my viewpoint on this issue
Just a note to throw out there, I hope no one's taking this too seriously, I'm here to discuss, not to argue ("debating" if you will. ;)) I in no way intend to come across as rude, or any of its' many synonyms. I WAS a little angry at first, but I've personally found this conversation to be quite... enjoyable? Not quite the word I'm looking for here, but it works. :)
P.S. Duxwing, if you are curios, then just PM me about, like I said, that point crosses some boundaries placed on normal topics.
Quote from: Tam and Martin on May 23, 2013, 11:30:21 PM
Life was hard on him but he should probably not have "shut himself down".
He went in shock.
He just never met another creature like Rose and so he never loved again it does happen ;) sadly it happened to Martin I really cried when Rose died Every time I read the part where she dies I cry and cry and cry :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :( :( :( :'( :'( :'(
Whow!!!! :o :o :o MASSIVE Martin the warrior debate.
I know Martin could sometimes be ridiculous,but who hasn't been?How would you feel if the one person you really ever felt anything in that way was killed by your worst enemy.Hello,do you not get that? >:( :)
Quote from: Mariel on July 05, 2013, 11:02:36 PM
I know Martin could sometimes be ridiculous,but who hasn't been?How would you feel if the one person you really ever felt anything in that way was killed by your worst enemy.Hello,do you not get that? >:( :)
I know, right?
An' vith Roze it vaz probably zince around ze time zat e' vaz a zlave o' Marzhank e' 'ad tae be ztrong, ozervize 'e might 'ave broken dovn a long time ago. Zuddenly, 'e meetz ziz mouzemaid, an' zroughoot ze courze o' ze book zat ztrong barrier zat 'e 'ad up 'e zorta letz dovn an' by ze time o' ze final battle 'e lovez 'er. An' zen, juzt az zuddenly, juzt vhen everyzin' looked like it vould be made right ('e got iz fazer'z zvord back, Badrang 'az been defeated, Marzhank 'az fallen an' ze zlavez are free, 'e can live an' 'appy life at Noonvale vith Rose an' Grum an' zere friendz an' family, zey can aw finally live in peace again, etc...), Roze diez. Badrang 'az been defeated, Martin'z fazer'z zvord iz back vhere it belongz, ze zlavez are free, everyvone 'az been reunited at lazt, but Roze iz dead. Gone. Vhere 'e 'ad poured oot 'iz 'eart zere iz juzt emptinezz. Everyzin' iz okay again, but ze firzt an' only mouzemaid zat 'e 'ad 'ever loved an' vanted tae zpend ze rezt o' 'iz zeazonz viz iz gone. It iz zorta like 'ov vone day yer juzt ztandin' zere an' ziz object appearz bezide ye. Juzt vhen yer beginnin' tae get uzed tae truztin' zat it vill nae collapze if ye lean againzt it, it zuddenly iz pulled avay from ye, an' zere iz nozin' keepin' ye from loozin' yer balance an' favin' dovn.
'e doez eventually zorta get over it, but ye can zee 'ov it affectz ze rezt o' 'iz life. 'e never really lovez anyvone like Roze again, an' ze broodin' zroughoot Ze Legend O' Luke iz more aboot 'iz fazer an' tribe an' vot 'appened tae zem.
Just a thought, Head, but do you write your things and then add the accent, or do you just write it with the accent from the start?
I find a LOT of bankvoles annoying.
Most of the voles were despicable. Especially the one in Eulalia! and Martin the Warrior.
Quote from: Redwaller on July 16, 2013, 04:12:11 PM
Most of the voles were despicable. Especially the one in Eulalia! and Martin the Warrior.
Agreed.
I want to slap Dwopple from Marlfox.
Quote from: Dag Downyfur on July 22, 2013, 11:12:51 PM
I want to slap Dwopple from Marlfox.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAMEN! To be honest, I hated the brats in Redwall. :P
Quote from: Dag Downyfur on July 22, 2013, 11:12:51 PM
I want to slap Dwopple from Marlfox.
Absolutely!
1. Bryony - wake up you silly mousemaid!
2. Scarum - he's like the Jar Jar Binks of Redwall... that's saying something, considering hares are my favourite species.
Viola when she first appears.
Dwopple from Marlfox.
Orkwil Prink when he first appears.
Druwp from Martin the Warrior.
Pickle (from Salamandastron) when he first appears.
Jukka when she acted like a jerk.
Quote from: Mask on July 24, 2013, 05:12:00 PM
Viola when she first appears.
Dwopple from Marlfox.
Orkwil Prink when he first appears.
Druwp from Martin the Warrior.
Pickle (from Salamandastron) when he first appears.
Jukka when she acted like a jerk.
Agree with most of those, but what do you have against Jukka? She was crabby sometimes, but she was a good character. ??? Just wondering what your reasoning is. ;)
Quote from: danflorreguba on July 24, 2013, 05:13:54 PM
Quote from: Mask on July 24, 2013, 05:12:00 PM
Viola when she first appears.
Dwopple from Marlfox.
Orkwil Prink when he first appears.
Druwp from Martin the Warrior.
Pickle (from Salamandastron) when he first appears.
Jukka when she acted like a jerk.
Agree with most of those, but what do you have against Jukka? She was crabby sometimes, but she was a good character. ??? Just wondering what your reasoning is. ;)
Ah, I liked Jukka, but the way she treated Fleetscut, even if she had reasons, was really cold and not very nice until the end. Notice I said "when she acted like a jerk." I'm perfectly fine with her when she has reformed a little.
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Viola when she first appears.
Dwopple from Marlfox.
Orkwil Prink when he first appears.
Druwp from Martin the Warrior.
Pickle (from Salamandastron) when he first appears.
Jukka when she acted like a jerk.
Agree with most of those, but what do you have against Jukka? She was crabby sometimes, but she was a good character. ??? Just wondering what your reasoning is. ;)
Ah, I liked Jukka, but the way she treated Fleetscut, even if she had reasons, was really cold and not very nice until the end. Notice I said "when she acted like a jerk." I'm perfectly fine with her when she has reformed a little.
Another question, why isn't Fleetscut himself on that list then? If you pay attention, he asks for it almost every single time she does something, he eggs her on. The person that drove me crazy was Fleetscut, and I felt kind of bad for Jukka having to deal with him.
Every. Last. Character. From. Eulalia. I was so disappointed by that book that I ended up hating all of them, Dibbuns included.
Other than that, my list is not much different from the others I've seen on this topic:
Mattimeo
Colin Vole
Samkim from Salamandastron. Also Bremmun. That was not a good book for squirrels...
Almost all the Dibbuns. Silent Sam from Redwall was one thing, but then they morphed into little murder machines somewhere around Marlfox and that was disturbing.
Quote from: Sable on January 24, 2014, 01:47:00 AM
Every. Last. Character. From. Eulalia. I was so disappointed by that book that I ended up hating all of them, Dibbuns included.
Other than that, my list is not much different from the others I've seen on this topic:
Mattimeo
Colin Vole
Samkim from Salamandastron. Also Bremmun. That was not a good book for squirrels...
Almost all the Dibbuns. Silent Sam from Redwall was one thing, but then they morphed into little murder machines somewhere around Marlfox and that was disturbing.
I think we have atopic about the dibbuns somewhere. Anyway, I agree about the dibbuns. The were good in the first 3 books but afterwards they turned into little terrors!
Dwopple from Marlfox- my goodness was he annoying. I hate how none of the Redwallers punished him when he did something bad. And his adopted mother who name a forget was just as annoying. I think what makes me dislike him is because I hate kids who act like that.
Actually, most of the Redwall dibbuns annoy me.
Scarum from Triss- I'm already not a fan of hares but he takes it to the next level.
Yoofus Lightpaw from Rakkety Tam- Like what some others said. I do not like him.
Rasvul from Marlfox- Like what some others said. I didn't like how he treated his son.
Mariel from Mariel of Redwall- I just don't like her. She was annoying to me.
Skittles from Lord Brocktree and Wiggles from The Rouge Crew- I DO NOT LIKE LITTLE BRATS!
Quote from: curunen on July 24, 2013, 01:47:59 PM
2. Scarum - he's like the Jar Jar Binks of Redwall... that's saying something, considering hares are my favourite species.
Agree wid ya 1000%.
Definitely Vitch from Mattimeo. i really hated him
Scarum
The fact he was every annoying stereotype about hares in one package was bad enough, but he was about as selfish as any vermin
Cynthia
Is it bad that I kept hoping Slagar would make an example out of her?
Horty
Almost as bad as Scarum
Grath Longbow, Zaran the Black, and Lonna Bowstripe
Not a big fan of characters who let their tragedies define them and turn into murderous hardasses who are almost as bad the vermin, but it's okay because they're woodlanders (can you say "double standard?")
A LOT of Dibbuns...
No, they're not cute and naïve. They're annoying, stupid brats. I'd be more specific, but it's a really long list.
Gruven
Especially since he's considered the Big Bad of The Taggerung by default
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Quote from: Dag Downyfur on July 22, 2013, 11:12:51 PM
I want to slap Dwopple from Marlfox.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAMEN! To be honest, I hated the brats in Redwall. :P
I don't want to slap him. I want to SLUG him. That kid was so annoying. No one did anything. Does anybody have a belt? Make sure it has a few points on the end too.
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I want to slap Dwopple from Marlfox.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAMEN! To be honest, I hated the brats in Redwall. :P
I don't want to slap him. I want to SLUG him. That kid was so annoying. No one did anything. Does anybody have a belt? Make sure it has a few points on the end too.
Okay, calm down now you dibbunish fiend. :P Geez, that's worse than, "Choppink them tails off an makin' em eat it!"
I'd give any of the overly gluttonous/annoying hares a slap. I can't think of specific characters at the moment.
Basil? :P ::)
Pikkle? :P ::)
Every Hare in the series excluding two or three? :P ::)
Haha.
They're all gluttons indeed, but some are definitely worse than others! I don't think Basil is so bad compared to other hares and not sure who Pikkle is! :D There are some non-hare characters that need a slap on the wrist as well, like the ones that constantly moan!, it's just they aren't coming to mind.
Quote from: MeadowRabbit on January 30, 2014, 05:02:52 PM
Haha.
They're all gluttons indeed, but some are definitely worse than others! I don't think Basil is so bad compared to other hares and not sure who Pikkle is! :D There are some non-hare characters that need a slap on the wrist as well, like the ones that constantly moan!, it's just they aren't coming to mind.
Just to let you know, Pikkle is a hare from
Salamadastron.
Jeg the tree rat from Doomwyte: everything a nasty spoiled villain could be
Nokko from Doomwyte: that Gonfelin chief could profit from a well-placed slap
Tugga Bruster from the same book: Holy cow, how in blue blazes did that hot-tempered, bullying, unpleasant, good-for-nothing-unloving-father get to become Log-a-log of the Guosim?!
Quote from: The Skarzs on January 30, 2014, 06:42:58 PM
Tugga Bruster from the same book: Holy cow, how in blue blazes did that hot-tempered, bullying, unpleasant, good-for-nothing-unloving-father get to become Log-a-log of the Guosim?!
He could've inherited the position from his dad or something. But yeah, that guy was a total idiot.
Or maybe he was elected because of his fighting abilities. Nonetheless, a total jerk.
Quote from: The Skarzs on January 30, 2014, 06:42:58 PM
Jeg the tree rat from Doomwyte: everything a nasty spoiled villain could be
Nokko from Doomwyte: that Gonfelin chief could profit from a well-placed slap
Tugga Bruster from the same book: Holy cow, how in blue blazes did that hot-tempered, bullying, unpleasant, good-for-nothing-unloving-father get to become Log-a-log of the Guosim?!
I have to disagree with you on Nokko, he was one of the most well-tempered of the bunch.
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I want to slap Dwopple from Marlfox.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAMEN! To be honest, I hated the brats in Redwall. :P
I don't want to slap him. I want to SLUG him. That kid was so annoying. No one did anything. Does anybody have a belt? Make sure it has a few points on the end too.
Okay, calm down now you dibbunish fiend. :P Geez, that's worse than, "Choppink them tails off an makin' em eat it!"
Oh please. He was worth more than a tail chop. How about I brew his tail in a gallon of extra extra hotroot soup and make him drink it all up, or I'll make him eat his own tail after I skinned it.
Quote from: i am that is (Matthias) on January 24, 2014, 10:48:50 PM
Definitely Vitch from Mattimeo. i really hated him
Allot of people seem to...
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Quote from: The Skarzs on January 30, 2014, 06:42:58 PM
Jeg the tree rat from Doomwyte: everything a nasty spoiled villain could be
Nokko from Doomwyte: that Gonfelin chief could profit from a well-placed slap
Tugga Bruster from the same book: Holy cow, how in blue blazes did that hot-tempered, bullying, unpleasant, good-for-nothing-unloving-father get to become Log-a-log of the Guosim?!
I have to disagree with you on Nokko, he was one of the most well-tempered of the bunch.
I didn't say it was because he was a bad creature; I just think a smack in the tail would do him more good than naught.
Quote from: The Skarzs on January 31, 2014, 06:41:53 PM
Quote from: danflorreguba on January 30, 2014, 09:12:13 PM
Quote from: The Skarzs on January 30, 2014, 06:42:58 PM
Jeg the tree rat from Doomwyte: everything a nasty spoiled villain could be
Nokko from Doomwyte: that Gonfelin chief could profit from a well-placed slap
Tugga Bruster from the same book: Holy cow, how in blue blazes did that hot-tempered, bullying, unpleasant, good-for-nothing-unloving-father get to become Log-a-log of the Guosim?!
I have to disagree with you on Nokko, he was one of the most well-tempered of the bunch.
I didn't say it was because he was a bad creature; I just think a smack in the tail would do him more good than naught.
I somewhat agree with you about Nokko. He wasn't a
Bad creature but he had some things that he probably could have done better on and, as Skarzy said, I think he would have profited from a slap also.
Yaayyy!!!
Quote from: Starla1431 on January 24, 2014, 07:48:10 PM
Dwopple from Marlfox- my goodness was he annoying. I hate how none of the Redwallers punished him when he did something bad. And his adopted mother who name a forget was just as annoying. I think what makes me dislike him is because I hate kids who act like that.
Actually, most of the Redwall dibbuns annoy me.
Scarum from Triss- I'm already not a fan of hares but he takes it to the next level.
Yoofus Lightpaw from Rakkety Tam- Like what some others said. I do not like him.
Rasvul from Marlfox- Like what some others said. I didn't like how he treated his son.
Mariel from Mariel of Redwall- I just don't like her. She was annoying to me.
Skittles from Lord Brocktree and Wiggles from The Rouge Crew- I DO NOT LIKE LITTLE BRATS!
Rusvul from Marlfox was terrible. Rusvul the Marlfox is spectacularly, gloriously awesome.
Quote from: JangoCoolguy on January 28, 2014, 04:43:39 PM
Grath Longbow, Zaran the Black, and Lonna Bowstripe
Not a big fan of characters who let their tragedies define them and turn into murderous hardasses who are almost as bad the vermin, but it's okay because they're woodlanders (can you say "double standard?")
Agreed. I dislike "heroes" like that.
Quote from: rusvulthesaber on January 31, 2014, 11:14:14 PMR
Rusvul from Marlfox was terrible. Rusvul the Marlfox is spectacularly, gloriously awesome.
Meh, I didn't like Rusvul the Marlfox that much. He was alright I suppose, but the bad jokes...
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Rusvul from Marlfox was terrible. Rusvul the Marlfox is spectacularly, gloriously awesome.
Meh, I didn't like Rusvul the Marlfox that much. He was alright I suppose, but the bad jokes...
I have no idea what you are talking about.
Quote from: rusvulthesaber on February 01, 2014, 01:53:44 PM
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Rusvul from Marlfox was terrible. Rusvul the Marlfox is spectacularly, gloriously awesome.
Meh, I didn't like Rusvul the Marlfox that much. He was alright I suppose, but the bad jokes...
I have no idea what you are talking about.
Rusvul the Marlfox? Rusvul wasn't a Marlfox, he was a squirrel.
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Quote from: rusvulthesaber on January 31, 2014, 11:14:14 PMR
Rusvul from Marlfox was terrible. Rusvul the Marlfox is spectacularly, gloriously awesome.
Meh, I didn't like Rusvul the Marlfox that much. He was alright I suppose, but the bad jokes...
I have no idea what you are talking about.
Rusvul the Marlfox? Rusvul wasn't a Marlfox, he was a squirrel.
I was joking. :D
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Quote from: rusvulthesaber on January 31, 2014, 11:14:14 PMR
Rusvul from Marlfox was terrible. Rusvul the Marlfox is spectacularly, gloriously awesome.
Meh, I didn't like Rusvul the Marlfox that much. He was alright I suppose, but the bad jokes...
I have no idea what you are talking about.
Rusvul the Marlfox? Rusvul wasn't a Marlfox, he was a squirrel.
I was joking. :D
;D
It's hard to tell on the Internet when someone is being serious or not. ;)
Quote from: rusvulthesaber on January 31, 2014, 11:14:14 PM
Quote from: Starla1431 on January 24, 2014, 07:48:10 PM
Dwopple from Marlfox- my goodness was he annoying. I hate how none of the Redwallers punished him when he did something bad. And his adopted mother who name a forget was just as annoying. I think what makes me dislike him is because I hate kids who act like that.
Actually, most of the Redwall dibbuns annoy me.
Scarum from Triss- I'm already not a fan of hares but he takes it to the next level.
Yoofus Lightpaw from Rakkety Tam- Like what some others said. I do not like him.
Rasvul from Marlfox- Like what some others said. I didn't like how he treated his son.
Mariel from Mariel of Redwall- I just don't like her. She was annoying to me.
Skittles from Lord Brocktree and Wiggles from The Rouge Crew- I DO NOT LIKE LITTLE BRATS!
Rusvul from Marlfox was terrible. Rusvul the Marlfox is spectacularly, gloriously awesome.
What?????
Gah. I'M a Marlfox, people. Rusvul the Marlfox is ME.
I know. I was acting as though he was an actual character in the book. :D Is that great mystery solved?
Okay guys, stinking cut Rusvul (the squirrel) some slack already! He changed before the end of the book unlike everybeast else that we're talking about. He was just about the only that admitted his faults, he worked to change like nobeast else ever has. I speak from the standpoint of Dannflower being my favorite character I would be the first to get ticked off at him, but he doesn't deserve it, he has issues just like the rest of us. :P
Well, yes, he changed, and he deserves some credit for that. But he was about as mean to Dannflor as any goodbeast was to another.
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Quote from: JangoCoolguy on January 28, 2014, 04:43:39 PM
Grath Longbow, Zaran the Black, and Lonna Bowstripe
Not a big fan of characters who let their tragedies define them and turn into murderous hardasses who are almost as bad the vermin, but it's okay because they're woodlanders (can you say "double standard?")
Agreed. I dislike "heroes" like that.
I get what you're saying there. That kind of thing bothers me, too.
Quote from: rusvulthesaber on February 03, 2014, 01:28:52 PM
Well, yes, he changed, and he deserves some credit for that. But he was about as mean to Dannflor as any goodbeast was to another.
You're basing your opinion off of two reactions, they obviously cared about one another given how the relationship was presented before that suggesting that there wasn't a history of mean behavior. I certainly agree that what Rusvul did was wrong, but after the fact he came to understand that himself which is an incredibly rare trait both in the series and in real life. Personally, I think a lot of us could learn a thing or two from him in this area.
Acknowledging mistakes is a good trait indeed, and it is, as you said, rare. But being as hurtful as he was, to his own son... That's inexcusable. Realizing your mistake and showing remorse and shame is definitely partially redeeming, but... No amount of apologizing can take away pain that was already inflicted. In my opinion at least, Rusvul was badly at fault, and nothing could have fully remedied that. This is a bit of an extreme example, but if your best friend tries to murder you, no matter what they do afterwards, your friendship probably won't ever be the same again. And that's if you're nice and trusting enough to continue to be in the same room as them ever again. Anyway. Rusvul wasn't evil, or a bad person, but... At a very minimum, he was definitely slapworthy.
"Slapworthy".
Best.
Word.
Ever.
;D
tansy was annoying
Quote from: rusvulthesaber on February 03, 2014, 06:44:08 PM
Acknowledging mistakes is a good trait indeed, and it is, as you said, rare. But being as hurtful as he was, to his own son... That's inexcusable. Realizing your mistake and showing remorse and shame is definitely partially redeeming, but... No amount of apologizing can take away pain that was already inflicted. In my opinion at least, Rusvul was badly at fault, and nothing could have fully remedied that. This is a bit of an extreme example, but if your best friend tries to murder you, no matter what they do afterwards, your friendship probably won't ever be the same again. And that's if you're nice and trusting enough to continue to be in the same room as them ever again. Anyway. Rusvul wasn't evil, or a bad person, but... At a very minimum, he was definitely slapworthy.
So you're claiming to be perfect? Do you think that other characters that haven't been listed are perfect? Rusvul made a mistake, everybody does. His was a large one indeed, but he changed as a result of it. Having no mercy for another's mistake, especially when the one at fault is obviously completely repentant, just makes the one still faulting him for it worse than the one who originally made the mistake.
Quote from: danflorreguba on February 04, 2014, 01:35:25 AM
So you're claiming to be perfect? Do you think that other characters that haven't been listed are perfect? Rusvul made a mistake, everybody does. His was a large one indeed, but he changed as a result of it. Having no mercy for another's mistake, especially when the one at fault is obviously completely repentant, just makes the one still faulting him for it worse than the one who originally made the mistake.
I'm not by any means perfect, nor is anyone else. And yes, having mercy for another's mistake is a good thing, but... So is not forgiving every mistake. If humanity as a whole forgave every mistake everyone had every made... Well, I don't know that we'd exist today. There's a certain point where a crime or bad deed lies on a knife's edge, balanced between forgiveness, and punishment/non-forgiveness. It's really never a fully logic-based choice. If someone commits a terrible crime, and shows complete repetance... There's no right or wrong way to tip the scale. It's all up to opinion, and your views. Not that Rusvul deserved a punishment, necessarily, but total forgiveness would have been next to impossible. If someone you loved very much told you that you were a coward, that they didn't love you, that you had disgraced them- Would you be able to forgive and forget that? Would all your friends, the person's friends? Personally, I don't think I could. Forgive, maybe, if they showed repetance. But I doubt I could forget it.
Of course, this is all my personal opinion, I don't want to force it upon you, or anyone else.
I do not find anyone's opinions here either good or bad, but solid. Those who repent from mistakes should be remembered as such, but crime must be justly punished, emphasis on justly. If some creature had stolen an item, he must be punished, part of which would mean returning the item. While a good action may soften the punishment, it must still be given. Killing by law sometimes means death to the doer, but sometimes the family of the dead may be given a voice in the punishment. For example: killing a person and not telling their family versus not telling. The family could either be angered beyond comprehension, or possibly give slight forgiveness. But the damage is done, and no matter what is tried, it cannot be undone. The fact shows the damage, and it must be figured out, whether by punishment or otherwise.
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Quote from: danflorreguba on February 04, 2014, 01:35:25 AM
So you're claiming to be perfect? Do you think that other characters that haven't been listed are perfect? Rusvul made a mistake, everybody does. His was a large one indeed, but he changed as a result of it. Having no mercy for another's mistake, especially when the one at fault is obviously completely repentant, just makes the one still faulting him for it worse than the one who originally made the mistake.
I'm not by any means perfect, nor is anyone else. And yes, having mercy for another's mistake is a good thing, but... So is not forgiving every mistake. If humanity as a whole forgave every mistake everyone had every made... Well, I don't know that we'd exist today. There's a certain point where a crime or bad deed lies on a knife's edge, balanced between forgiveness, and punishment/non-forgiveness. It's really never a fully logic-based choice. If someone commits a terrible crime, and shows complete repetance... There's no right or wrong way to tip the scale. It's all up to opinion, and your views. Not that Rusvul deserved a punishment, necessarily, but total forgiveness would have been next to impossible. If someone you loved very much told you that you were a coward, that they didn't love you, that you had disgraced them- Would you be able to forgive and forget that? Would all your friends, the person's friends? Personally, I don't think I could. Forgive, maybe, if they showed repetance. But I doubt I could forget it.
Of course, this is all my personal opinion, I don't want to force it upon you, or anyone else.
You are comparing many deeds with a single one, and capitol crimes with a relationship one. His mistake was but once, and it was not criminal so much as unjust (There IS a difference).
Here's something to consider, do you punish someone who's already been confronted? Rusvul was scolded by others for his behavior already, is the appropriate action to go up and say, "Hey, you did this and it was wrong, and being scolded wasn't enough even though you've obviously learned from your mistake." *smack*
That's just uncalled for!
PS Neither am I trying to force my opinion on you (though I'd very much like for us to be able to see the same perspective by the end). More so, I'm trying to comprehend how people are continually faulting poor Rusvul for something that he has already been reprimanded for, and turned away from. He exhibits extraordinary character in his rejection of self, and is somebeast that I would very much look to as a role model.
(besides the one incident, but that's kind of a given.)
Quote from: danflorreguba on February 04, 2014, 06:12:41 AM
You are comparing many deeds with a single one, and capitol crimes with a relationship one. His mistake was but once, and it was not criminal so much as unjust (There IS a difference).
Here's something to consider, do you punish someone who's already been confronted? Rusvul was scolded by others for his behavior already, is the appropriate action to go up and say, "Hey, you did this and it was wrong, and being scolded wasn't enough even though you've obviously learned from your mistake." *smack*
That's just uncalled for!
PS Neither am I trying to force my opinion on you (though I'd very much like for us to be able to see the same perspective by the end). More so, I'm trying to comprehend how people are continually faulting poor Rusvul for something that he has already been reprimanded for, and turned away from. He exhibits extraordinary character in his rejection of self, and is somebeast that I would very much look to as a role model.
(besides the one incident, but that's kind of a given.)
Rusvul's deed wasn't criminal, true, but my point about his forgivness or punishment/non-forgiveness is a judgement call. I don't know that he deserved a punishment, exactly, at least not further than his own unhappiness. Whether or not he deserved that unhappiness is irrelevant, because it was there regardless. I suppose I don't really have that much more to say... Oh. Other than this. Is the only thing that seperates a bad-deed-doer from an innocent person repetance and apology? This is only partly to reinforce my point, I'm legitimately asking this.
When you stop to think about it there are no innocent people which was one of my points. We all mess up things and end up doing things we wish we hadn't. The difference between a criminal and a normal person isn't the apology so much as the heart condition. How do they feel after they've done something wrong.
IE Rusvul, He messed pretty bad, but once he had cooled down and had a chance to think things through he felt terrible! This is what separates the two.
just stop posting long arguments it makes me little mouse head hurt :-\
Why your head? Should be yer eyes.
Gah! Does it matter!? Some people like Rusvul while some others don't -_-.
I was just being general. . .
Quote from: Gonff the Mousethief on February 04, 2014, 04:27:50 PM
just stop posting long arguments it makes me little mouse head hurt :-\
Debates, mate. We're not angry with each other, in fact I rather enjoy a good debate. And besides, you don't have to read it.
Returning to that debate, I'm actually starting to question the relevancy of my point in this situation. Not to say that it isn't a valid point, sometimes a true criminal will show repentance and still deserve punishment. I think one of the main things that decides whether Rusvul deserved forgiveness, was that others were willing to forgive. Also, the state of Dann's mind is relevant. Had he been less self confident, or even depressed, things could have been very different. Sometimes evens heartfelt apology can't fix a situation, and that's really what I'm getting at. But I suppose in this case, it can and did.
Yes, and to those who are wondering 'What punishment did Rusvul have?', here is my answer: knowing that he drove Dann to the actions he did and deal with that as a father.
To reiterate what my fellow shrew has stated ( ;D), I too am rather enjoying this debate. You'll notice (everyone else besides Rusvul, but him too I guess) that not a single harsh word has been traded. We are intelligently talking from our different view points to get a better understanding of the others mindset. :) This is what characterizes a TRUE debate.
Back to said debate: Just want to say that I DO agree to the relevancy of your point. Just being sorry isn't enough when it comes to something severe. The thing I disagree about is what was needed and what has happened. As Skarz stated, Rusvul had to deal with himself and by all accounts felt miserable because of it. This is besides the fact that he was reprimanded by at least one other beast (possibly several, not sure). I also like how you mentioned the mindset of the beasts involved as that's a very good point. Dann is/was a very forgiving beast, and I think that their relationship actually profited in the end due to the outburst. (Dan would have been far less likely to go on the excursion had his father not been so hard on him)
One point for those that want us to stop, the forum (at least in my experience) encourages this kind of posting as it is rather interesting and holds some real meaning.
Scarum was the most annoying, stupid, useless, idiotic hare ever!
Aye. Scarum is one of the few hares I dislike... The only one, in fact. He was stupid and rude. He did absolutely nothing! How did Sagax put up with him?
Revive!
I would smack Mattemeo.
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Grath Longbow, Zaran the Black, and Lonna Bowstripe
Not a big fan of characters who let their tragedies define them and turn into murderous hardasses who are almost as bad the vermin, but it's okay because they're woodlanders (can you say "double standard?")
Agreed. I dislike "heroes" like that.
I have to admit that I agree. I can see why they'd want to go after the vermin because they're dangerous to other beasts and need a just punishment, but I'm not for revenge. I know it's hard, but I think it's better to just...let go of those occurrences in the past (NO Frozen puns. Seriously, no :P).
I think those characters enjoyed killing the vermin.
I would like to smack Triss. I don't even remember why. But even though I like Triss, I wanted to smack her last time I read Triss.
:P
Quote from: Mask on January 20, 2015, 01:04:07 AM
I would like to smack Triss. I don't even remember why. But even though I like Triss, I wanted to smack her last time I read Triss.
:P
Yes. Same thing with Bryony in
Outcast (except I didn't like
Outcast...)
Also, I want to smack every character who couldn't solve a riddle when the answer was staring them right in the face.
I would enjoy smacking all the characters who wipe out armies of vermin, even after they've been utterly defeated.
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I would enjoy smacking all the characters who wipe out armies of vermin, even after they've been utterly defeated.
I like Squire Julian Gingivere. :(
I want to smack Jukka the Sling for being so flipping rude.
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I would enjoy smacking all the characters who wipe out armies of vermin, even after they've been utterly defeated.
Those being?
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Quote from: Izeroth on January 20, 2015, 03:12:21 AM
I would enjoy smacking all the characters who wipe out armies of vermin, even after they've been utterly defeated.
Those being?
Possible Clary and Thyme. Een though they are utterly awesome.
1. Cynthia
2. Gael
3.
Certain Badger lords.
4. Maybe some vermin... Cap'n Clogg was a little annoying, stupid, and outright an imbecile (well, not a little. A
LOT.)
It was hinted that he did. . . reproachable things, even though it didn't say outright in the book, so I'd say that he's fine without a smack and is deserving his insanity.
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Quote from: Mask on January 20, 2015, 01:04:07 AM
I would like to smack Triss. I don't even remember why. But even though I like Triss, I wanted to smack her last time I read Triss.
:P
Yes. Same thing with Bryony in Outcast (except I didn't like Outcast...)
Bryony is so annoying!
Hmmm... I'd have to say Cynthia, Bryony, Drwupp (Martin The Warrior), and Gael Squirrelking. There's probably more, but those are the first that come to mind.
An addition to my list is Viola Bankvole...she was irksome.
You people finished up this list fairly well, good job.
Hi, Sandfur! If you haven't introduced yourself in the Introduction Topic, do so!
I used to dream of smacking Dinjer. I'd like to smack all of the prissy or whiny characters, anyone who ever snitched on the characters I liked, and all the characters who reveled in killing vermin. I'd also like to smack all of the foxes as one collective bunch.
Also, I'd like to give Felldoh a smack for not being sensitive enough in front of Brome at Juniper's burial, though I really do love him.
I need to smack Prince Bladd. Actually, almost everyone who uses a title of royalty, with the exception of Queen Serena.
Dn't double post, just use the shiny "modify" button on your last post.
Welcome to the forum, Bayna! If you take a look at the Introduction topic in the Front Lawns, you will be more properly greeted by the other members. :)
Thank you both!
That one mouse from Martin The Warrior, Geum. She was SO annoying.
Let's just asgree with cynthia, book and TV series.
Oh yes, I found Cynthia very annoying.
Who doesn't? ;)
She was meant to be so.
Brian Jacques did a very good job of making her annoying.
:D :D
I remember wanting to slap the Glokkpod in The Bellmaker when he wanted to kill Meldrum on the rooftop of castle Floret. By the way, do you guys know what happened to Glokkpod after that? I'm totally blanking...
He flew away threatening Meldrum and that's the last we ever heard from him. I don't find Glokkpod too annoying, I just feel a little bad for him. He was crazed after years of torture and imprisonment and he could only think of revenge, it was pretty sad.
I'm also going to throw out Drogbuk Wiltud, the drunk old hedgehog from The Rogue Crew. He was horrible.
Ah yes.
He was VERY annoying...
Every single dibbun, with the exeption of the one that went to go find the cure with that otter
Sorry, bad memory, is been a while, and i don't reread
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I'm also going to throw out Drogbuk Wiltud, the drunk old hedgehog from The Rogue Crew. He was horrible.
I agree.
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Every single dibbun, with the exeption of the one that went to go find the cure with that otter
Sorry, bad memory, is been a while, and i don't reread
Dumble an' Thrugg
thank you
That one hare from Lord Brocktree, I think her name was Wobee or something like that.
I'd love to smack Clogg... several times... in a row.
Prince Bladd.
Quote from: Eulaliaaa! on March 21, 2015, 04:36:32 PM
That one hare from Lord Brocktree, I think her name was Wobee or something like that.
Woebee, yes. (I just reread that too!) Any character that weeps and whines instead of aiding the other characters needs a good smack.
Quote from: Mask on January 20, 2015, 01:30:50 AM
Also, I want to smack every character who couldn't solve a riddle when the answer was staring them right in the face.
Haha! Yeah, sometimes it's like, seriously? You can't work out the answer? Even I can work it out and I'm not great at riddles! :D
I think with reading
Outcast at the moment, Veil could do with a slap!
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Quote from: Eulaliaaa! on March 21, 2015, 04:36:32 PM
That one hare from Lord Brocktree, I think her name was Wobee or something like that.
Woebee, yes. (I just reread that too!) Any character that weeps and whines instead of aiding the other characters needs a good smack.
Woebee. Hah hah hah.
Aptly named, yes?
Vitch, Prince Bladd, Skittles, Gonff and a few searats for pure stupidity.
For people that have mentioned Cynthia.
Let me see... would you freak out when your parents/saiors were trapped in a cave? Or maybe if you were in a freakin' SLAVE CHAIN?!?!?!
Sage made a great point.
I don't want to smack Cynthia the bankvole. Not in the least. In fact, my sympathy goes out to her. I know she was whiny. Guess what? I think I would be as well. She's young and experiencing something utterly terrifying and unexpected. She is scared and confused. I know the counterargument for this is that all the other slaves are children too, but they didn't complain. Well, simply put, people are different, and so are characters. We can never know why others do things, for we cannot enter their minds. We can't, as I think I have stated in another post, read their thoughts and feel what they are feeling.
She is anxious, and she doesn't want to die. The whining may be to calm her down, or find some answers, or seek comfort from friends. I'm not sure if I can justify her actions, but I will make an effort to understand them.
Quote from: Sagetip, the hare on April 06, 2015, 09:35:52 PM
Let me see... would you freak out when your parents/saiors were trapped in a cave? Or maybe if you were in a freakin' SLAVE CHAIN?!?!?!
All too true, but I can't say that I would "freak out". (Perhaps it is my all-too-serious mind.) However, a small reminder that they were all in a similar situation and that freaking out wouldn't do any good would hopefully get some sense into her.
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Quote from: Sagetip, the hare on April 06, 2015, 09:35:52 PM
Let me see... would you freak out when your parents/saiors were trapped in a cave? Or maybe if you were in a freakin' SLAVE CHAIN?!?!?!
All too true, but I can't say that I would "freak out". (Perhaps it is my all-too-serious mind.) However, a small reminder that they were all in a similar situation and that freaking out wouldn't do any good would hopefully get some sense into her.
She was a CHILD who was scared and frightened. Nothing wrong in being whiny there.
I'd still smack Mattemeo around.
I certainly felt like smacking Cynthia after the series and the book. But she was a child, so I sorta didn't hate her that much.
Quote from: Skyblade on April 10, 2015, 09:23:14 PM
Sage made a great point.
I don't want to smack Cynthia the bankvole. Not in the least. In fact, my sympathy goes out to her. I know she was whiny. Guess what? I think I would be as well. She's young and experiencing something utterly terrifying and unexpected. She is scared and confused. I know the counterargument for this is that all the other slaves are children too, but they didn't complain. Well, simply put, people are different, and so are characters. We can never know why others do things, for we cannot enter their minds. We can't, as I think I have stated in another post, read their thoughts and feel what they are feeling.
She is anxious, and she doesn't want to die. The whining may be to calm her down, or find some answers, or seek comfort from friends. I'm not sure if I can justify her actions, but I will make an effort to understand them.
Mattemeo would smack her, at least in the beginning of the book he would
Quote from: Soren the Warrior on May 07, 2015, 11:47:00 PM
I'd still smack Mattemeo around.
I certainly felt like smacking Cynthia after the series and the book. But she was a child, so I sorta didn't hate her that much.
Yeah, those two are first-in-line for a good smack on the head. I have a lot of things against Matthias' son.
I would just put Cynthia. Nggggrhbhrgdurga... Man she was annoying as Inle... Especially in the cartoon/tv series. Her whiny voice made me cringe.
The other people made some good points about her, just to keep everyone in perspective.
Quote from: TheTaleOfSierra on May 16, 2015, 05:45:22 PM
Yeah, those two are first-in-line for a good smack on the head. I have a lot of things against Matthias' son.
Mattimeo definitely shaped up at the end of the book (Tess Churchmouse's reprimanding certainly gave a start to his change), but I agree that at the beginning of the book Matthias should have swatted him.
This may sound awful, but there have been times when I was ticked off at the dibbuns. I know babies are babies and their attitude isn't completely their fault...but I still felt prickles of annoyance reading about theit antics. Not all dibbuns did this to me; the only ones I can think of at the moment are Chugger from The Legend of Luke and Yik or whatever his name is from Eulalia!
Again, I don't hate dibbuns. I was just annoyed when I read the books ::)
Cynthia was annoying...and Mattiemeo wasn't as bad in the book as in the series. I probably would have done most of what he did...
1. Cynthia {of all the characters in the entire series, she is my least favorite}
2. Scarum {very closely tied with Cynthia}
3. Mattimeo {spoiled little stinker if you ask me}
Almost every vole I've ever encountered has annoyed me to some extent. It all started with Colin... The exception to this is Rollo in Lutra- though I wasn't too fond of him when he was a baby... Didn't hate him but... Dibbuns are worse than vermin sometimes...
Same by me ;)
THIS. . . this topic is my friend.
Cynthia, Scarum, many of the dibbuns, Yoofus Lightpaw. . .
I thought about putting Yoofus in third, but in my option Mattimeo was a little bit worse
EDIT:
1. Cynthia {of all the characters in the entire series, she is my least favorite}
2. Scarum {very closely tied with Cynthia}
3. Mattimeo {spoiled little stinker if you ask me}
4. Yoofus Lightpaw {a thief and smart alec who acts innocent. Not a good combination}
5. Urgan Nauru {His empty bragging got old fast}
4. Celandine
1. The Dibbuns. (Granted sometimes)
2. Yoofus.
3. Cynthia.
4. Scarum.
This isn't in the correct order.
1. Badrang!!!
2. Veil
3. Slagar
4. Vilu Daskar
5. Treerose
1. Fleetscut. - Dude, Jukka is helping you the entire time and she still thinking about the wellbeing of her people. Your constant insults make you look like a jerk.
2. Tarquin - (At least in Mariel. He's better, barely by Bellmaker) - This Severus Snape level of creep towards a female hare who obviously isn't interested is still disturbing.
3. Fermald the Ancient - I know that hiding the pearls is her thing, but some of those riddles were diabolical, and one inadvertantly led to an innocent child's death. Not cool.
4. Young Arven. He's better by Long Patrol and you know, an adult, but some of his Dibbun-age actions really should earn him some serious time-out and punishment.
Man, those last two are so true.
Basically ever character in Mattimeo besides Tess and Jube.
Quote from: shisteer of nothing much on January 16, 2020, 07:28:07 AM
Basically ever character in Mattimeo besides Tess and Jube.
Even Orlando?
:o Not Orlando the Axe!
Quote from: shisteer of nothing much on January 16, 2020, 07:28:07 AM
Basically ever character in Mattimeo besides Tess and Jube.
Especially Mattimeo
Definitely Mattimeo. I get that he's only four seasons old or something, but that's really not an excuse.
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Quote from: shisteer of nothing much on January 16, 2020, 07:28:07 AM
Basically ever character in Mattimeo besides Tess and Jube.
Even Orlando?
Yeah, he's a pest. (though slightly less pesky than some of the other characters in that book)
Dwopple, Pitru and every toad in the redwall universe because I hate toads.
Pitru is a jerk.
- Basil Stag Hare (in Mattimeo — he's awesome in Redwall). If he ain't talking about food, he's being rude to someone! (Like that poor old rabbit)
- Cynthia Bankvole. Big time.
- Vitch. I'm trying to like him, given what'll happen to him, but he makes it virtually impossible!
- Sir Harry the Muse. Stop rhyming already! It's almost as bad as Dr. Suess!
- Gonff. He just won't stop singing! It gets annoying real fast.
- Cheesethief. I didn't want to smack him, buuut my reaction to his death was "Good riddance!", soo, he kinda counts, right?
Heh. My youngest sister is always singing, but I've never smacked her for it.
I'm really surprised that no one in this whole thread (unless I missed it) mentioned Aggril. Here's my list for the books I've read (no Doomwyte, High Rhulian, Eulalia!, Rakkety Tam, Sable Quean or Rogue Crew):
1. Aggril, for being a bad-tempered hedgehog who not only was possessive of a cherry orchard that didn't even belong to him, but is implied to have a history of lethally drugging other beasts that eat the cherries. I don't believe the book makes the distinction of him only targeting vermin, a topic which would be its own can of worms; per Boldred, it was only her presence that saved Martin and company from essentially being roofied to death. This is apparently something he has a reputation for doing and yet he never faces any consequences for it. Even the narrative text doesn't seem to take his actions seriously, if I'm remembering right.
2. Scarum. Overly gluttonous hares are something of a staple in the series, but they either have positive qualities to help balance things out (Basil, Pikkle, Fleetscut, etc) or face consequences for their actions (Fleetscut again). While Scarum does pull his weight at times, those moments are generally overshadowed by his selfish, impulsive, defiant nature; he embarrasses his friends or causes trouble for undeserving beasts more often than he's helpful or sympathetic. Any punishment for his behavior rarely lasts, too; he's "released" from servitude to the hedgehogs (?), he escapes the Abbey after being forced onto a lettuce-and-water diet for scoffing a trifle meant for the dibbuns...
Speaking of the dibbuns, I never really wanted to smack any of them. They're practically babies, you know? It's easier for me to be annoyed by characters who are old enough to know better.
I'll also go on record saying that I never wanted to smack Cynthia. As other users have said, she's a child character who was forcibly kidnapped, enslaved and abused; being traumatized and frightened out of her mind is a perfectly understandable response. But I also want to bring up the role she plays within the "group" of the Redwall slaves: she is explicitly defined as being weaker than the others, namely emotionally/psychologically. Tess even defends her to Mattimeo and says something to the effect of: "I know she's just a silly little vole, but that doesn't entitle you to be nasty to her." Mattimeo's impatience and anger toward Cynthia, a weakling/"whining nuisance", is actually a black mark against him at that point in his character arc; it's proof that he's still behaving like a spoiled brat rather than living up to the ideal of his father. True heroes are kind to those weaker than themselves, not just their friends.
I think that's it for now! But watch as I remember 20 other characters that got on my nerves as soon as I hit the POST button, haha...
I really wanted to smack Bryony, she was awful.