Since there are a bunch of books in the Redwall series, there will be ones you like and dislike. What about ones you remember and don't really remember?
My least memorable book is probably Salamandastron. The villain was alright, and the tactics of it all seemed weak. Plus, I can't remember what happened at the Abbey at all. Even when I read the book I didn't really like it.
I'm in the middle of Triss and I think I'm probably going to forget what happened in it in a few months after finishing it...Just, nothing about it sticks out to me.
Also, I found Martin the Warrior pretty forgettable, but that's just my opinion.
I'd have to say that book with the Sun. . . . Flash? Yeah, Sunflash. And the kestrel and Veil and Bryony and what's-his-name, the mole, is the least memorable book to my mind. The only thing that sticks out in my head is Scarlath and vaguely Nightshade. Also Doomwyte and Sable Queen, I don't remember much about them.
^Togget.
The least memorable for me was Eulalia! I read it in 2010 and again in 2011 and the second time, exactly a year later, it was like I was reading a book I'd never read before. I don't remember anything at all from The Sable Quean, either, which I read once, four years ago. I only read Rakkety Tam once, and that was about ten years ago, so I don't remember a thing because the book didn't stand out to me. Though I've read all of the others twice or more, I've forgotten a lot of the content of some them, like Marlfox and Outcast, but that's because it's been at least nine years since I read those last.
This is a tough question, but I'll say either Eulalia or Triss both books seemed dead, and they dragged on. Though the real winner of forgettable Redwall books is definitely The one with the gems and birds, Birdwyte I think I almost couldn't finish it, and the enemy wasn't a threat, the Gonfflings made no sense, and the random otter protagonist whose name started with Z was plain boring, though the bad shrew Log-a-Log helps slightly but even that wasn't original because Marlfox had already done it.
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This is a tough question, but I'll say either Eulalia or Triss both books seemed dead, and they dragged on. Though the real winner of forgettable Redwall books is definitely The one with the gems and birds, Birdwyte I think I almost couldn't finish it, and the enemy wasn't a threat, the Gonfflings made no sense, and the random otter protagonist whose name started with Z was plain boring, though the bad shrew Log-a-Log helps slightly but even that wasn't original because Marlfox had already done it.
Doomwyte. and when you put it like that., anything sounds bad. :P
For me, the least memorable Redwall book (that I've read, of course) is Loamhedge. Only a few scenes really stand out to me, and I can't recall the names of most of the main characters.
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For me, the least memorable Redwall book (that I've read) is Loamhedge. Only a few scenes really stand out to me, and I can't recall the names of most of the main characters.
^^^ I'd forgotten about Loamhedge, and now you've brought it to my attention, I have to agree. I just remember Saro and Bragoon, the hotroot pepper thing, and these two spoilery bits:
Spoilers, duh
When the haremaid figured out she could walk, and Saro and Brag's deaths. That was to be Brian's most memorable death scene.
I loved each and every Redwall story in the series, but for whatever reason, I cannot remember nearly anything from Eulalia! and it kind of bugs me. What happened in that story? Even when I read the wiki I'm confused, lol. I do remember enjoying it, though!
The Rogue Crew without a doubt. There was no battle, most of it was spent dealing with the development of a ship that would have been more intimidating if he had developed it using the whispers of a terrible construct, and the rumors of the woodlanders. The guy that was chosen by Martin was worthless, and there was no point to him.
Loamhedge was awesome. Period. ;D
While Loamhedge wasn't the best Redwall book I remember it had its moments. Which in turn makes it memorable.
I think Loamhedge is memorable because of its flaws. I'd probably say it was the worst.
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I think Loamhedge is memorable because of its flaws. I'd probably say it was the worst.
Really? I thought Loamhedge was one of the best!
Especially the fight scene at the end, like WOW that must have been the closest to crying I've ever been whilst reading. I didn't see the quest as pointless, I saw it as beautiful
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I think Loamhedge is memorable because of its flaws. I'd probably say it was the worst.
Really? I thought Loamhedge was one of the best! Especially the fight scene at the end, like WOW that must have been the closest to crying I've ever been whilst reading. I didn't see the quest as pointless, I saw it as beautiful
Hmm, well, when I look back at that scene I think that the act of turning the log so the vermin fell to their deaths was a unnecessary action. They had the log bottlenecked, five of them could hold it for quite a long time, in my opinion.
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I think Loamhedge is memorable because of its flaws. I'd probably say it was the worst.
Really? I thought Loamhedge was one of the best! Especially the fight scene at the end, like WOW that must have been the closest to crying I've ever been whilst reading. I didn't see the quest as pointless, I saw it as beautiful
1. The haremaid just needed to believe in herself to walk which is a cop out and also entirely the wrong message to send.
2. Because of this Brag and Saro died for nothing.
3. It was Martin, an omniscient being, that sent them on the pointless quest.
4. That also makes Martin a less likable character.
5. Brag and Saro's death was completely contrived.
6. Lonna goes on a manhunt to wipe out the last of his enemies. Not really the kind of behaviour you expect in a
Redwall protagonist.
The characters were interesting and the story
could have been good, but the writing was just lazy and full of contrivances and the idea that the only way the haremaid could help was if she just
decided she could walk sends a bad message.
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Quote from: Jet the binturong on February 22, 2016, 07:10:49 PM
I think Loamhedge is memorable because of its flaws. I'd probably say it was the worst.
Really? I thought Loamhedge was one of the best! Especially the fight scene at the end, like WOW that must have been the closest to crying I've ever been whilst reading. I didn't see the quest as pointless, I saw it as beautiful
The closest I've ever come to crying while reading was weeping helplessly when I thought Frodo and Sam were going to die... ;D
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Quote from: Jet the binturong on February 22, 2016, 07:10:49 PM
I think Loamhedge is memorable because of its flaws. I'd probably say it was the worst.
Really? I thought Loamhedge was one of the best! Especially the fight scene at the end, like WOW that must have been the closest to crying I've ever been whilst reading. I didn't see the quest as pointless, I saw it as beautiful
The closest I've ever come to crying while reading was weeping helplessly when I thought Frodo and Sam were going to die... ;D
Sam...Yes.
Frodo...No.
Frodo was much better in the books than in the movies. But that's off topic.
The least memorable one in my opinion is probably. . . Well, Triss. A bit on the dull side overall, and it's a bit of a stereotype.
I think it's Eulalia! for me.
I think most people are saying Triss.
Glad to know I'm not the only one who can't get in to it.
I just finished Triss a couple days ago. Thankfully. Now I'm reading Cormac McCarthy's "The Road"
I'm still reading Triss and I've never heard of that book. ;D
Ever heard of "No Country for Old Men?"
Sounds like something everybody should've heard of; but nope. XD
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Ever heard of "No Country for Old Men?"
Good movie, decent book. I didn't care for the author's writing style; he used too many run-on sentences.
It seems I'm far from being the only one who found Eulalia! the least memorable of the books.
'Least memorable' is something of an odd title. Nothing can really hold it. If something is recognized as the least memorable, it becomes more memorable and can no longer hold the title.
The book that I read that one time that I don't remember the name of. ;)
Of the Redwall books I've read, I think it would be Doomwyte. I wouldn't remember anything about it except for what I've read on the wiki.
Doomwyte was like that for me. The heroes weren't particulary memorable, and the novel vermin tactics lost their sheen quickly.
Now I'm trying to think. Of course, I have a hard time remembering the thing I can least remember, so... :P
I would say, Legend of Luke, perhaps, otherwise Eulalia!. Loamhedge was too bad to be forgettable, Rogue Crew too bloody.
Quote from: Wylder Treejumper on February 29, 2016, 06:39:57 PMRogue Crew too bloody.
O' there's blood on the axe,
An' blood on the shield,
An' blood on the swordblade too.
An' if you're a foe of our Rogue Crew,
There'll be blood all over you!
Blood blood! Blood blood–
Exactly.
It makes me wonder what tone the Redwall books would have taken had Brian not passed away...
High Rhuilain (Definitely how its spelled) believe it or not
Quote from: Sagetip on February 28, 2016, 05:34:20 PM
Doomwyte was like that for me. The heroes weren't particulary memorable, and the novel vermin tactics lost their sheen quickly.
Very true that. Didn't think of those things.
I remember them all pretty equally, actually. The least memorable for me is probably...none of them. I remember all 22 and I loved them all. My most memorable, though, are Eulalia and High Rhulain.
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High Rhuilain (Definitely how its spelled) believe it or not
That is actually my least memorable book, together with Rogue Crew.
have to disagree for the Rouge Crew, it's one of my favorite Redwall Books
I honestly have no clue which was the least memorable. There were a couple I certainly didn't like as much but I can still say i remember most of what happened. The Sable I might say would be a least memorable book, not for the book but for the fact that I read the book in one day when I had the flu, So I probably wouldn't be able to tell you much about it. I didn't like Redwall as much, but it is probably the most popular of the books at the library, on the internet, and for the tv series, so I know a good bit about it.
Another book I probably don't remember too well just because I didn't like it too much was The Bellmaker. I found it very boring, very repeating, and just in general, not exciting. The villains and heroes were a little lame and were pretty much duplicates of other people. There was nothing too special about them that I can Remember.
Lastly, The Legend of Luke wasn't too exciting at all. The Second book where they go into Luke's journey is an amazing part! I loved that and was intrigued with everything that went on in the second book, but the First and Third books almost felt like they were just trying to fill time and space. If I remember correctly, there wasn't any set villain, there were just various attacks and random adventures to fill time. It just seemed useless and I couldn't say that I remember a thing about the first and third book really.
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Since there are a bunch of books in the Redwall series, there will be ones you like and dislike. What about ones you remember and don't really remember?
My least memorable book is probably Salamandastron. The villain was alright, and the tactics of it all seemed weak. Plus, I can't remember what happened at the Abbey at all. Even when I read the book I didn't really like it.
*spits water everywhere*
Salamandastron is like the peak of Brian's writing!
Okay, after rereading Loamhedge, I got an issue.
Spoiler
The ending changes several times across about 3 pages. Seriously, it just shoves several different fake-outs down your throat without really caring about themselves.
1. Bragoon and Saro died to give Martha Sister Amyl's secret. Cool, except SHE'S ALREADY WALKING?!!?!
2. The "secret" is just a dumb rhyme about "if you want to walk, you can." Sure, because if that worked, Martha would have been walking a long time before the book started.
3. And then it turns out that they just FAKED the cheesy rhyme anyway, so it was as pointless as Bragoon and Saro's deaths. AND NOBODY CARES ABOUT THAT!!?!?!?1!! "Oh yeah, my brother killed himself to tell Mary-Sue that if she believes in herself, she can do anything. Oh, hang on. He did it for no reason, because the rhyme is fake. Oh well, I'm just going to laugh at his poor spelling. Martha, sing for me."
Yeesh.
Haha! Someone agrees with me!
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I think Loamhedge is memorable because of its flaws. I'd probably say it was the worst.
Really? I thought Loamhedge was one of the best! Especially the fight scene at the end, like WOW that must have been the closest to crying I've ever been whilst reading. I didn't see the quest as pointless, I saw it as beautiful
1. The haremaid just needed to believe in herself to walk which is a cop out and also entirely the wrong message to send.
2. Because of this Brag and Saro died for nothing.
3. It was Martin, an omniscient being, that sent them on the pointless quest.
4. That also makes Martin a less likable character.
5. Brag and Saro's death was completely contrived.
6. Lonna goes on a manhunt to wipe out the last of his enemies. Not really the kind of behaviour you expect in a Redwall protagonist.
The characters were interesting and the story could have been good, but the writing was just lazy and full of contrivances and the idea that the only way the haremaid could help was if she just decided she could walk sends a bad message.
Unfortunately, the Redwall books became repetitive and somewhat unmemorable after a time. The least memorable to me were Rogue Crew and Rakkety Tam. I couldn't even remember the name of the Rogue Crew when referencing one of its characters earlier and barely remembered Rakkety Tam existed, which is a shame because the name Rakkety Tam is cool. I just didn't find it heartwarming and found the Scottish dialect distracting.
...we are no longer on speaking terms...Rakkety Tam is one of my two favorite Redwall books. ;D
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...we are no longer on speaking terms...Rakkety Tam is one of my two favorite Redwall books. ;D
Lol :) *forces Delthion to remain on speaking terms*
I was like 11 when I read it and a bit prejudiced against the Scottish dialect and swashbuckling characters, so I could've been wrong.
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Haha! Someone agrees with me!
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I think Loamhedge is memorable because of its flaws. I'd probably say it was the worst.
Really? I thought Loamhedge was one of the best! Especially the fight scene at the end, like WOW that must have been the closest to crying I've ever been whilst reading. I didn't see the quest as pointless, I saw it as beautiful
1. The haremaid just needed to believe in herself to walk which is a cop out and also entirely the wrong message to send.
2. Because of this Brag and Saro died for nothing.
3. It was Martin, an omniscient being, that sent them on the pointless quest.
4. That also makes Martin a less likable character.
5. Brag and Saro's death was completely contrived.
6. Lonna goes on a manhunt to wipe out the last of his enemies. Not really the kind of behaviour you expect in a Redwall protagonist.
The characters were interesting and the story could have been good, but the writing was just lazy and full of contrivances and the idea that the only way the haremaid could help was if she just decided she could walk sends a bad message.
Yeah, like some of thr other Redwall books, Loamhedge wasn't awful, but wasn't too memorable, mostly just entertaining because it was Redwall. A book named after the old Abbey seemed like it would be an exciting book. Seemed to me that poor Mr. Jacques was trying desperately to think of something new and not quite doing it. He was trying to do something new by making characters who acted the way he figured "realistic" teenagers would act instead of the usual heroic characters, and while more flaws might be interesting sometimes in a Redwall character, in this book it just seemed awkwardly done, with the preachy prologue telling us how this was a story of teen characters who were hard headed and proud, just like us. The male hare character was extremely annoying.
But I DID think the ending was beautiful, even if it wasn't as exciting a twist as Jacques might have thought it was and didn't 100% make sense.
Scottish dialect and swashbuckling are the best things to grace entertainment. End of discussion. ;D
Got to agree there. Rakkety Tam is one of my favorites, along with Martin the Warrior and Marlfox.
HAWAAAAAAY THE BRAW!
Heeree's a Macburrrrlll! ;D
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I'd have to say that book with the Sun. . . . Flash? Yeah, Sunflash. And the kestrel and Veil and Bryony and what's-his-name, the mole, is the least memorable book to my mind. The only thing that sticks out in my head is Scarlath and vaguely Nightshade. Also Doomwyte and Sable Queen, I don't remember much about them.
.....The outcast of Redwall. You're talking about the outcast of Redwall.
I personally find it anything but forgettable, but hey. :P As for mine....Lol maybe...Didn't really stick with me, though that might just be because I was very stressed out when reading it..
I often forget what happens in the books not long after I've read them, unless I've read a particular one quite a few times. I can't remember what happens in Eulalia! yet again, so perhaps that is one of my least memorable.
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Quote from: Wylder Treejumper on February 29, 2016, 06:39:57 PMRogue Crew too bloody.
O' there's blood on the axe,
An' blood on the shield,
An' blood on the swordblade too.
An' if you're a foe of our Rogue Crew,
There'll be blood all over you!
Blood blood! Blood blood–
Yeah, it was my least favorite book, too bloody. And that ottermaid, what was her name? I can't remember... she really loved killing, and even though it was sad when she died it kinda served her right. I mean, if she was going to live by the sword, she'd eventually die by the sword.
Loamhedge wasn't so great, either.
Well, you have to remember, they raised her to think that slaughter was a good thing and that they should always join in if there is fighting.
The least memorable Redwall book for me was Lord Brocktree. It was intriguing when I read it, I didn't really remember it afterwards.
Either Eulalia! or Triss.
Doomwyte, or Diet Pearls of Lutra.
Quote from: Delthion on February 22, 2016, 04:51:22 AM
The Rogue Crew without a doubt. There was no battle, most of it was spent dealing with the development of a ship that would have been more intimidating if he had developed it using the whispers of a terrible construct, and the rumors of the woodlanders. The guy that was chosen by Martin was worthless, and there was no point to him.
Loamhedge was awesome. Period. ;D
There was a battle, it was at the end when Razzid crashed through the walls of Redwall abbey.
I could list a few, but then, until recently, I haven't read Redwall in nearly 20 years! Of course I'd forget everything except my favorite big bads (Slagar the Cruel, Tsarmina Greeneyes, Badrang the Tyrant, Urgan Nagru the Foxwolf, Ungatt Trunn, and the adder triplets from Triss), plus of course, the unforgettable Blaggut. And Sela, the best minor villain!
However, a truly forgettable book is Salamandastron. I just finished it a few days ago, and I could see why I'd forget it. The only good characters were Dingeye, Thura, and Farran. Even Dethbrush was forgettable—I for a moment literally forgot his name just now! And while my favorite characters rarely tend to be good guys in this series, I absolutely hate Urthstripe and Pikkle Ffolger, and everyone else is just plain forgettable, whether it be Mara, Samkim, the Goussom, the hares, or even Ferahgo and Klitch themselves! It's an insult to Watership Down that the cover says "In the Tradition of Watership Down"—Watership Down was way better than this, and I've only seen the movie and a few episodes of the 1999 series (which I hated due to Pipkin's characterization). The day I finished the book, I had only three chapters left—24 pages. Those 24 pages were painful—I just wanted it to end already!
Also, may I just say, Gary Chalk's godawful character drawings, as well his horrible vocal performance as Robotnik in Sonic Underground, make me wanna punch Gary Chalk in the face.
EDIT: Apparently, the Garry Chalk who voiced Robotnik in Sonic Underground and Redwall's illustrator Gary Chalk are two separate people. My bad.
I did not like Doomwyte at all. It is the only Redwall book I don't care to own or read again. It felt like a boring, unnecessary story.
Just browsing through the titles, the ones that popped out in relation to this topic - Loamhedge, Doomwyte, Eulalia, and The Sable Queen. With the latter two most prominent. Not particularly bad, just the ones I barely remember as of now when compared to the rest.
If I had to choose one, probably Eulalia. I don't remember much, but from what I do remember the story was rather plain and the characters undynamic, I had to force myself to finish.
I always forget about Salamandastron and Lord Brocktree. It's not that I don't like them, I just forget they exist.