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Loved this book as a kid. As an 11 year old kid, it was alot of fun to get a glimpse into the life of a couple of Redwall character who seemed to be around my age; Tansy and Viola made the book one of my favorite Redwall books, though of course the rest of the book was great, too, with Martin the second, Grath Longfletch, Ublaz and whoever the male otter from Sampetra was who joined up with them - and seals! There were seals in that book - how cool is that?
Not to mention there was a greyish vermin character, Romsca, which is always cool.
I love how it connects Mattimeo and The Long Patrol. There is Rollo and Auma from Mattimeo, then there is Tansy and Arven from The Long Patrol. I also noticed something about Rollo since I reread Mattimeo recently and am rereading Pearls right know. Rollo was solving riddles at a young age, and dealing with bird invaders, hard to rid of old habits :P O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 And Abbot Durral was awesome.
Quote from: alexandre on October 08, 2016, 05:50:12 PM
I love how it connects Mattimeo and The Long Patrol. There is Rollo and Auma from Mattimeo, then there is Tansy and Arven from The Long Patrol. I also noticed something about Rollo since I reread Mattimeo recently and am rereading Pearls right know. Rollo was solving riddles at a young age, and dealing with bird invaders, hard to rid of old habits :P O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 And Abbot Durral was awesome.
I am actually in the middle of re-reading the Pearls of Lutra and it's pretty interesting! I had always thought that Tammo's journey and Matthias' journey were separated by a huge span of time, but really it was only a few generations! Pretty neat!
I seem to remember that on the old forum it seemed like everyone hated Martin the Second. I never understood why. Would someone care to explain?
I don't understand either. He was a good character, yet no one seems to appreciate him.
He was the epitome of a Mary-Sue. He was too perfect from the start, but him being immune to Ublaz' stare, that really singled him out as more of a Mary-Sue than the other Mary-Sues.
Imagine if they had just given him the pearls.
It wasn't like they made anyone who touches them all powerful or whatever. Ublaz would be happy with no harm done.
Oh my gosh, yes, he was immune to Ublaz's stare. That doesn't make him a Mary Sue. Matthias beheaded Asmodeus and was looking him right in the hypnotic eyes. Is he a Mary Sue?
And if Martin II was such a Sue, why wasn't he the one to kill the bad guy and throw the pearls into the ocean?
The majority of Redwall warriors and heroes are Mary Sues, yet we still like them.
Quote from: Maudie on January 11, 2017, 05:03:19 AM
The majority of Redwall warriors and heroes are Mary Sues.
Quote from: Eulaliaaa! on January 11, 2017, 04:18:51 AM
Oh my gosh, yes, he was immune to Ublaz's stare. That doesn't make him a Mary Sue. Matthias beheaded Asmodeus and was looking him right in the hypnotic eyes. Is he a Mary Sue?
And if Martin II was such a Sue, why wasn't he the one to kill the bad guy and throw the pearls into the ocean?
I believe he would have killed Ublaz, but he died from stepping on a poisonous snake first, purely by accident. Second, he probably would've thrown the pearls in the ocean or disposed of them by some mean or other just judging by his steadfast nobility shown throughout the book.
Quote from: Groddil on January 11, 2017, 05:06:23 AM
Quote from: Maudie on January 11, 2017, 05:03:19 AM
The majority of Redwall warriors and heroes are Mary Sues.
True, I guess, but the other warriors still feel more relatable, just like how people generally dislike Triss over other Sues as well (strangely enough, there enemies both came to similar fates).
The reason Matthias wasn't on the same level is that Asmodeus' stare was working on him, the only reason that Matthias survived is because Martin's spirit helped him and gave the last last ounce of will to behead the snake.
As opposed to Martin II, who was just immune.
That said, I don't hate Martin II
I'm pretty sure Martin's spirit warns him not to stare into Ublaz's eyes and snaps him out of it. That being said, I haven't read it in ages, and I just had a fascinating lesson about false memories in psychology so yeah.
Quote from: Jet the binturong on January 11, 2017, 04:52:58 PM
I'm pretty sure Martin's spirit warns him not to stare into Ublaz's eyes and snaps him out of it. That being said, I haven't read it in ages, and I just had a fascinating lesson about false memories in psychology so yeah.
That happens in
Redwall with Matthias. Martin II evenly maintains his gaze with Ublaz. There's never any explanation; he's just immune to it.
That could have been Martin's spirit, as well, Brian Jacques just never said. Or, maybe it was because there was such a great distance between the two. I mean, Martin II was on a ship far enough at sea to be sailing and Ublaz was on land.... so, it could have been distance.
Well, right before Ublaz dies, Martin literally brings his face inches from that of Ublaz and screams, HOLT LUTRAAAAA! So I don't think distance is a factor. As for the spirit thing, I am highly doubtful that Brian Jacques would think not to write about it.
This is actually my favorite book in the series. The characters are cool, and moving the conflict away from the Abbey and to Bad Guy Island was brilliant, as it allows there to be actual stakes. The riddle-solving at the Abbey is good fun, and the heroes' adventure to the the island is very memorable. I know it's not the only book in the series to use this formula, but I find it to be the best.
Also, this has one of the most depressing character deaths in the series.
My only real complaint is that the ending battle feels somewhat anticlimactic. I'd have preferred the vermin conflict to have reached a proper resolution before the heroes showed up and wrecked shop, but eh.
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I've always loved Pearls of Lutra.
Unlike pretty much everybody, I like Martin II. I thought he was a good protagonist. I also think this book has the best, "riddles to help find something that is possibly useful" thing in the series.
I do wish there was more of a fight between Ublaz and the main characters, but the mind games between Ublaz and Razconsa are amazing and that whole storyline is one of my favorites.
I quite agree, one of my favorites
So I guess I'll have to re-read
The Pearls of Lutra next, but a couple of things off the top of my head that I really remember enjoying the civil war that took place on Sampetra, between Ublaz' and the Wave Brethren.
It was a really nice bit of world building that imo mosty takes backseat to narrative in Jacques' work- not that there's anything wrong with that, but that conflict amongst the antagonists and depictions of the tropical isle made the world feel much more lived in.
Also off of the top of my head, I remember thinking the travels of our protagonists on that double-outrigger to be very romantic. It reminded me of fishing trips I'd take with my granddad off of the coast of Newfoundland, and how cosy and homely something like a fishing dory could be in cold winter seas.
ALSO it bears mentioning that the cover for The Pearls of Lutra is one of my absolute favourites, and always stuck out to me as a young child wandering around bookstores, many many years before I was able to read the seriesQuote from: saugysaugysaugy on April 05, 2021, 09:34:09 PM
ALSO it bears mentioning that the cover for The Pearls of Lutra is one of my absolute favourites, and always stuck out to me as a young child wandering around bookstores, many many years before I was able to read the series
To clarify, I'm referring to the UK cover art, which were also the ones we had in Canada.
Also only just realizing that the American publications dropped
The from the title, simply calling it
Pearls of Lutra. Classic American publishers' brevity
Did you know that Lutra comes from the word Lutrinae, which is the scientific term for otter.
Quote from: WorshipTiria on June 18, 2021, 03:35:09 AM
Did you know that Lutra comes from the word Lutrinae, which is the scientific term for otter.
I'm not surprised. Brian liked doing that a lot with his characters.