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Brian Jacques' Works (Spoilers) => History, Legends and Myths => Topic started by: Captain Tammo on February 18, 2013, 07:08:30 PM

Title: The Goreleech
Post by: Captain Tammo on February 18, 2013, 07:08:30 PM
Exactly how big was it?
How long had it been on the seas?
Do you think its had more than one captain live and die on it?

This topic is to discuss the ship and history around it.

WARNING! CONTAINS THE LEGEND OF LUKE SPOILERS!
Title: Re: The Goreleech
Post by: Martin the warrior on February 19, 2013, 04:09:00 PM
we know it had four decks and i think when martin saw half of the ship he said even that was huge
It probably been around for sometime seeing as when Luke came to the northerland shores creatures already knew about the Glooreech.
I don't think so although if we knew about Vuil's family his father might have captained it
Title: Re: The Goreleech
Post by: Romsca on February 19, 2013, 08:39:47 PM
Or Vilu might have stolen it from someone
Title: Re: The Goreleech
Post by: Martin the warrior on February 20, 2013, 12:17:27 AM
That's true but I wander who originally built it
Title: Re: The Goreleech
Post by: brocka on February 21, 2013, 01:27:12 AM
She must have been very well-made, to be able to move fast, maneuver sharply and just survive. The Western Sea is a big, wild place and Vilu took the craft close-in to attack the coasts and raid. That meant the ship was vulnerable to counter-attack. yet she seemed to hold up fairly well. She had a drawback, which was that she needed a lot of paws to row her. Almost all the critters that Vilu captured had no other use to him than galley-slave. Very self-defeating " master" indeed.
Title: Re: The Goreleech
Post by: 321tumbler on February 21, 2013, 02:12:22 AM
That is a great descreption! I think you're right.
Title: Re: The Goreleech
Post by: Kitsune on February 26, 2013, 01:03:42 AM
I'm not sure who built it.
Title: Re: The Goreleech
Post by: alderbowbeast on March 03, 2013, 08:05:18 PM
It is unclear who exactly built the Goreleech, however it is already antiquated in The Legend of LukeThe Goreleech is described as a trireme which, in human history, was a Greeco-Roman ship with three banks of oars on either side making  The Goreleech no taller than a classic trireme.  What made The Goreleech truly huge was its length.  In Legend of Luke the ship is described as having four sails whereas a classic trireme only had 2.  The length of a trireme is roughtly 131 ft. or 40m, double that and you get 80m or 262ft.  or a ship about as long as an American Football field.
Title: Re: The Goreleech
Post by: Tam and Martin on March 03, 2013, 08:12:21 PM
Wow that is huge.
Title: Re: The Goreleech
Post by: Romsca on March 03, 2013, 09:49:52 PM
......whoa... :o
Title: Re: The Goreleech
Post by: Kitsune on March 06, 2013, 09:38:23 PM
 :o :o :o :o :o :o
...that's long!
Title: Re: The Goreleech
Post by: alderbowbeast on March 07, 2013, 02:19:36 PM
Some more perspective on just how huge the Goreleech would have been.  The average Trireme from Greek history had about 170 rowers. The Goreleech, being about twice as big as the average trireme would have had about 340 slavebeasts to row the ship.  Of course the average crew and fighting forces on The Goreleech would have been between 60 and 80 vermin.
Title: Re: The Goreleech
Post by: Captain Tammo on March 08, 2013, 02:09:58 AM
Truly a floating fortress!
And to think Luke destroyed the thing all with one swift motion :o
Title: Re: The Goreleech
Post by: Kitsune on March 08, 2013, 01:30:40 PM
...almost a shame, too, if you think about it.
Title: Re: The Goreleech
Post by: HeadInAnotherGalaxy on March 14, 2013, 08:12:35 PM
Juzt Think 'ow long it vould 'ave taken tae build it.
Title: Re: The Goreleech
Post by: Captain Tammo on March 16, 2013, 01:37:47 AM
Whoa headinanothergalexy I haven't seen you in forever!!!
Title: Re: The Goreleech
Post by: Martin the warrior on March 20, 2013, 10:48:03 PM
Quote from: alderbowbeast on March 07, 2013, 02:19:36 PM
Some more perspective on just how huge the Goreleech would have been.  The average Trireme from Greek history had about 170 rowers. The Goreleech, being about twice as big as the average trireme would have had about 340 slavebeasts to row the ship.  Of course the average crew and fighting forces on The Goreleech would have been between 60 and 80 vermin.
WOW :o
Title: Re: The Goreleech
Post by: Ungatt Trunn on March 27, 2013, 07:07:43 PM
Quote from: alderbowbeast on March 07, 2013, 02:19:36 PM
Some more perspective on just how huge the Goreleech would have been.  The average Trireme from Greek history had about 170 rowers. The Goreleech, being about twice as big as the average trireme would have had about 340 slavebeasts to row the ship.  Of course the average crew and fighting forces on The Goreleech would have been between 60 and 80 vermin.
ONLY 60-80 vermin? There had to be more than that!
Title: Re: The Goreleech
Post by: Captain Tammo on March 30, 2013, 06:00:16 PM
60-80 vermin is a lot to fit on just one ship!
Title: Re: The Goreleech
Post by: Ungatt Trunn on March 30, 2013, 06:08:20 PM
Quote from: Captain Tammo on March 30, 2013, 06:00:16 PM
60-80 vermin is a lot to fit on just one ship!
That wouldn't be enugh to manage all of there slaves.
Title: Re: The Goreleech
Post by: alderbowbeast on March 30, 2013, 06:35:57 PM
I would agree that 60-80 vermin on one ship controlling several hundred slaves would be a lot, but keep in mind, all the slaves are chained hand and foot, and not all of them are handled at the same time.  It is because of Beau and Vurg's thievery that all the slaves break loose and easily take over The Goreleech.  Not to mention that this is not a "pirate ship" in the conventional sense, like we think of from Pirates of the Caribbean.  This was a Greek Trireme,  60 to eighty crew members would have been a large crew.  Also keep in mind that the average crew for most of the ships would have been in the range of 15-30.  We know that there were not many more than 20 mice on Sayan
Title: Re: The Goreleech
Post by: Ungatt Trunn on March 31, 2013, 03:24:24 AM
Quote from: alderbowbeast on March 30, 2013, 06:35:57 PM
I would agree that 60-80 vermin on one ship controlling several hundred slaves would be a lot, but keep in mind, all the slaves are chained hand and foot, and not all of them are handled at the same time.  It is because of Beau and Vurg's thievery that all the slaves break loose and easily take over The Goreleech.  Not to mention that this is not a "pirate ship" in the conventional sense, like we think of from Pirates of the Caribbean.  This was a Greek Trireme,  60 to eighty crew members would have been a large crew.  Also keep in mind that the average crew for most of the ships would have been in the range of 15-30.  We know that there were not many more than 20 mice on Sayan
How do you know what type of ship it is?
Title: Re: The Goreleech
Post by: Romsca on March 31, 2013, 11:45:51 PM
The book said it was a trireme
Title: Re: The Goreleech
Post by: The Shade on June 02, 2013, 01:32:00 PM
Quote from: alderbowbeast on March 30, 2013, 06:35:57 PM
I would agree that 60-80 vermin on one ship controlling several hundred slaves would be a lot, but keep in mind, all the slaves are chained hand and foot, and not all of them are handled at the same time.  It is because of Beau and Vurg's thievery that all the slaves break loose and easily take over The Goreleech.  Not to mention that this is not a "pirate ship" in the conventional sense, like we think of from Pirates of the Caribbean.  This was a Greek Trireme,  60 to eighty crew members would have been a large crew.  Also keep in mind that the average crew for most of the ships would have been in the range of 15-30.  We know that there were not many more than 20 mice on Sayan

Yeah, you only really need one or two vermin for avery line of slaves
Title: Re: The Goreleech
Post by: HeadInAnotherGalaxy on June 02, 2013, 06:26:39 PM
Pluz, ze zlavez vere nae fed vell, zae zey only 'ad enough tae rov, an' nae much elze.
Title: Re: The Goreleech
Post by: clunylooney on April 18, 2020, 04:51:39 PM
Well, in the book it says that if both halves of the Goreleech were put together, it would be as big as a small village. I live in Yarmouth. Yarmouth is a village, so it would be like a small Yarmouth. Which is HUGE
Title: Re: The Goreleech
Post by: Grond on April 27, 2020, 09:15:04 PM
Yeah the way that ship is described you would almost think that it is approaching the size of a dreadnought or even an aircraft carrier. Which for a ship from a pre-industrial age would be huge...
Title: Re: The Goreleech
Post by: clunylooney on May 02, 2020, 01:13:44 AM
Quote from: Grond on April 27, 2020, 09:15:04 PM
Yeah the way that ship is described you would almost think that it is approaching the size of a dreadnought or even an aircraft carrier. Which for a ship from a pre-industrial age would be huge...
Fun fact: If the Goreleech is in fact the size of a small village, that would make it's crew number 500. Crazy.