I know there's a book about him but, I've a feeling there's a WHOLE LOT more about him than we know.
Any thoughts?
This is best suited for the Characters Discussion board. *moves thread*
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Definition of Luke: BEST WARRIOR EVER!!!
luke was awsome and i'm not just saying that cause luke is my middle name he realy was
Luke was awesome. Someone should write a story about him leading his tribe to the northlands. There's nothing recorded about their journey there in the book.
All my best quotes are by Luke. ;) He's great. I found it particularly interesting that he was born at St. Ninians and moved north, only for his son to help found Redwall. It seems Luke's family's spirit will always remain at that area of Mossflower.
So, since Luke's family came from that area....do you think Luke or Martin Sr. might have also known Bella? Since Brockhall was ancient when Bella lived there, and SHE was ancient when Martin the warrior knew her, it seems like Luke's family probably knew Bella, or perhaps Boar. Any thoughts on that?
Quote from: rakkety tams 1 fan on July 24, 2011, 12:20:45 AM
luke was awsome and i'm not just saying that cause luke is my middle name he realy was
Luke's my first name ;)
Quote from: Dotti on July 25, 2011, 04:23:18 AM
So, since Luke's family came from that area....do you think Luke or Martin Sr. might have also known Bella? Since Brockhall was ancient when Bella lived there, and SHE was ancient when Martin the warrior knew her, it seems like Luke's family probably knew Bella, or perhaps Boar. Any thoughts on that?
THAT IS THE BEST IDEA EVER. :o This would make an awesome story! Since it was Verdauga that drove them out -- and there was a battle that all the woodlanders participated in, I believe, that they lost - yes, I'm sure one way or another Bella and Martin Sr. must have met at the very least. But since she didn't appear to recognize Martin, they couldn't have known each other well. Fascinating...!
Martin Sr?? There is only one Martin.
QuoteMartin Sr?? There is only one Martin.
Actually, no, there isn't just one.
According to
Legend of Luke (which I just reread), Luke was descended from an unnamed mouse, who was descended in turn from the legendary Martin the Elder, the first mouse to wield the even more legendary sword.
Thus, the family tree looks like this:
1. Martin the Elder Warrior
2. Unknown
3. Luke the Warrior
4. Martin the Warrior
Martin was named after his great-grandfather.
Quote from: James Gryphon on July 27, 2011, 03:48:54 PM
Thus, the family tree looks like this:
1. Martin the Elder Warrior
2. Unknown
3. Luke the Warrior
4. Martin the Warrior
Martin was named after his great-grandfather.
That's debateable. The Redwall Wiki just lists Martin the Elder as Luke's father and as Martin's grandfather. The books state both at various times. LordTBT choose the lineage you outlined as the one with more support.
Personally, I didn't think Luke was that great. He was just another warrior.
I agree, he was good, but he was just another warrior. There are plenty of warriors throughout the Redwall books. I don't even think there was really anything very special about Martin. I'm not saying they weren't skilled or I don't like the books about them, I just don't like elevating them way up above all the other good warriors in the other Redwall books.
The thing I like about characters like Luke or Tammo, is that they're the main characters of their story and they don't wield martins sword throughout the main struggle. Also, they get captured. That doesn't always happen to the main character. And they actually loses some fights, that's what makes it more realistic, especially when Luke dies. A character like Martin or matthias wouldve somehow survived that.
i agree with Tammo, I like Luke because he didn't always win which made it more intresting in my opinion.
I don't think that crashing the Goreleech was the best solution, but it's realistic, because Luke didn't have time to think up a better plan.
Yea. Too bad Luke and Ranguvar had to die.
Quote from: James Gryphon on July 27, 2011, 03:48:54 PM
QuoteMartin Sr?? There is only one Martin.
Actually, no, there isn't just one.
According to Legend of Luke (which I just reread), Luke was descended from an unnamed mouse, who was descended in turn from the legendary Martin the Elder, the first mouse to wield the even more legendary sword.
Thus, the family tree looks like this:
1. Martin the Elder Warrior
2. Unknown
3. Luke the Warrior
4. Martin the Warrior
Martin was named after his great-grandfather.
Actually, the family tree would look like this:
Martin the Elder Warrior
Unknown
Luke the Warrior
Martin the Warrior(of old)
Matthias
Mattimeo
Martin
How is Matthias related (in a familial way) to Martin? Martin had no canonical descendants.
And it couldn't be that Matthias was the first person to wield Martin's sword after Martin himself, because Dandin was.
Yes, and it's also worth noting there is conflicting statements in the series as to whether there was any generation between Martin the Elder and Luke the Warrior. My personal opinion would be there was none, and Martin the Elder was Martin the Warrior's grandfather.
Luke was cool, but I still don't like him.
He was a good warrior with a good heart.
Quote from: Taggerung_of_Redwall on March 30, 2012, 05:53:49 PM
Yes, and it's also worth noting there is conflicting statements in the series as to whether there was any generation between Martin the Elder and Luke the Warrior. My personal opinion would be there was none, and Martin the Elder was Martin the Warrior's grandfather.
I just thought of something, what if Luke had a long lost brother or some other relative whom survived somehow and then that led on to Matthias. That is just me of course.
Quote from: Wolfstar on April 06, 2012, 01:37:51 AM
Quote from: Taggerung_of_Redwall on March 30, 2012, 05:53:49 PM
Yes, and it's also worth noting there is conflicting statements in the series as to whether there was any generation between Martin the Elder and Luke the Warrior. My personal opinion would be there was none, and Martin the Elder was Martin the Warrior's grandfather.
I just thought of something, what if Luke had a long lost brother or some other relative whom survived somehow and then that led on to Matthias. That is just me of course.
Good point. I like Luke because his story was not only dramatic, but sad, which makes you feel sorry you know.
I HATE sad stories! :'(
I don't want to deny anything like that, Wolfstar. I think it would make a lot of sense, and be pretty cool.
Quote from: Wolfstar on April 06, 2012, 01:37:51 AM
Quote from: Taggerung_of_Redwall on March 30, 2012, 05:53:49 PM
Yes, and it's also worth noting there is conflicting statements in the series as to whether there was any generation between Martin the Elder and Luke the Warrior. My personal opinion would be there was none, and Martin the Elder was Martin the Warrior's grandfather.
I just thought of something, what if Luke had a long lost brother or some other relative whom survived somehow and then that led on to Matthias. That is just me of course.
Y know, that must have happened but Brian didn't mention it. I agree.
I disagree, it COULD have happened, not must have happened.
Quote from: Bragoon on April 06, 2012, 08:03:50 PM
I disagree, it COULD have happened, not must have happened.
Personally I seriously doubt it.
Quote from: Bragoon on April 06, 2012, 08:03:50 PM
I disagree, it COULD have happened, not must have happened.
Typo. oops. didn't catch it.
What typo? ???
No, no, no. They said could've. Thats what I meant on my earlier post, but I put must have. Get it now?
Quote from: Bragoon on March 30, 2012, 05:23:30 PM
How is Matthias related (in a familial way) to Martin? Martin had no canonical descendants.
And it couldn't be that Matthias was the first person to wield Martin's sword after Martin himself, because Dandin was.
Oops. You're right.
Quote from: James Gryphon on July 27, 2011, 03:48:54 PM
QuoteMartin Sr?? There is only one Martin.
Actually, no, there isn't just one.
According to Legend of Luke (which I just reread), Luke was descended from an unnamed mouse, who was descended in turn from the legendary Martin the Elder, the first mouse to wield the even more legendary sword.
Thus, the family tree looks like this:
1. Martin the Elder Warrior
2. Unknown
3. Luke the Warrior
4. Martin the Warrior
Martin was named after his great-grandfather.
Actually there are three Martin's
Martin the elder
Martin the warrior
Martin II
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Actually there are three Martin's
Martin the elder
Martin the warrior
Martin II
[/quote]Its True, martin II being a character in Pearls of Lutra
But besides that, and back on to topic, Luke was epic. He remindes me alot of martin. His feirce ditermination to avenge his wife, and that suicide run into rocks. Very respectable
Quote from: Jetthebinturong on August 11, 2012, 09:50:32 PM
Quote from: James Gryphon on July 27, 2011, 03:48:54 PM
QuoteMartin Sr?? There is only one Martin.
Actually, no, there isn't just one.
According to Legend of Luke (which I just reread), Luke was descended from an unnamed mouse, who was descended in turn from the legendary Martin the Elder, the first mouse to wield the even more legendary sword.
Thus, the family tree looks like this:
1. Martin the Elder Warrior
2. Unknown
3. Luke the Warrior
4. Martin the Warrior
Martin was named after his great-grandfather.
Actually there are three Martin's
Martin the elder
Martin the warrior
Martin II
he never actually stated that there are only two martins, he just said there was not just one, he didn't list martin the second because they where talking about the family tree of luke, which doesn't include martin the second.
What would've happened had Luke's wife, Sayna, survived, but many other villagers were still lost? Do you think Luke still would've led an expedition out to defeat Vilu Daskar, or maybe decide to relocate the tribe farther South and away from the shore? Prehaps they would've stumbled upon Badrang's forces, since they probably wouldnt go back to Mossflower, where the wildcats were ruling. What do you think would've happened?
-Revived- :D
Luke. . .
Use your sword,
And run.
Go to Mossflowah.
Go to Mossflowah.