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Brian Jacques' Works (Spoilers) => General Discussion => Topic started by: alexandre on August 15, 2016, 08:39:16 PM

Poll
Question: What is your favorite redwall book?
Option 1: Redwall votes: 1
Option 2: Mossflower votes: 9
Option 3: Salamandastron votes: 0
Option 4: Martin The Warrior votes: 0
Option 5: The Bellmaker votes: 0
Option 6: Outcast of Redwall votes: 0
Option 7: The Long Patrol votes: 0
Option 8: Marlfox votes: 0
Option 9: Triss votes: 0
Option 10: Loamhedge votes: 0
Option 11: Rakkety Tam votes: 3
Option 12: High Rhulain votes: 0
Option 13: Eulalia votes: 0
Option 14: Doomwyte votes: 0
Option 15: The Sable Quean votes: 0
Option 16: The Rouge Crew votes: 0
Option 17: Other Redwall Book Such as the riddler or the cookbook. votes: 1
Option 18: Taggerung votes: 1
Title: Favorite book in the redwall series
Post by: alexandre on August 15, 2016, 08:39:16 PM
In a while, I will take the top 5 winners and reset the poll so it is only those five options that way voters can pick a choice that may not be their first option but they like better than the other winners.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Favorite book in the redwall series
Post by: Gonff the Mousethief on August 15, 2016, 09:05:46 PM
Mossflower without a doubt. Has Gonff, Martin, one of the best adventrues, and a perfect origin story of Redwall.
Title: Re: Favorite book in the redwall series
Post by: alexandre on August 15, 2016, 09:10:15 PM
Quote from: Gonff the Mousethief on August 15, 2016, 09:05:46 PM
Mossflower without a doubt. Has Gonff, Martin, one of the best adventrues, and a perfect origin story of Redwall.

I agree!  8)
Title: Re: Favorite book in the redwall series
Post by: Lord Daskar on August 15, 2016, 10:07:17 PM
I've always liked the Long Patrol the best,
Title: Re: Favorite book in the redwall series
Post by: alexandre on August 16, 2016, 02:11:22 AM
Mossflower is by far my favorite, Martin at his best.
Title: Re: Favorite book in the redwall series
Post by: Hickory on August 16, 2016, 03:48:35 PM
Quote from: Lord Daskar on August 15, 2016, 10:07:17 PM
I've always liked the Long Patrol the best,
Title: Re: Favorite book in the redwall series
Post by: alexandre on August 16, 2016, 04:51:27 PM
Quote from: Sagetip on August 16, 2016, 03:48:35 PM
Quote from: Lord Daskar on August 15, 2016, 10:07:17 PM
I've always liked the Long Patrol the best,

     The Long Patrol used to be my favorite but now I think that in Mossflower the adventures were more... adventurous? It seemed like the whole idea of Mossflower was new but The Long Patrol seemed to be a very typical Redwall book; Some bad beasts plan to take Redwall. A new warrior is seen, a young and adventurous spirit. He goes to save Redwall from evil. That kind of book is very fun to read, but I felt like Mossflower was more dramatic and had more of an adventure feel. Especially since it was the second book and everything was newer. But it still would have stuck out if it was one of the later books.
Title: Re: Favorite book in the redwall series
Post by: Captain Tammo on August 16, 2016, 08:27:35 PM
Wow 3 for the Long Patrol!

Quote from: alexandre on August 16, 2016, 04:51:27 PM
     The Long Patrol used to be my favorite but now I think that in Mossflower the adventures were more... adventurous? It seemed like the whole idea of Mossflower was new but The Long Patrol seemed to be a very typical Redwall book; Some bad beasts plan to take Redwall. A new warrior is seen, a young and adventurous spirit. He goes to save Redwall from evil. That kind of book is very fun to read, but I felt like Mossflower was more dramatic and had more of an adventure feel. Especially since it was the second book and everything was newer. But it still would have stuck out if it was one of the later books.

Totally respect that - Mossflower's awesome - just wanted to share what I think of The Long Patrol in response to this:

I actually thought The Long Patrol was different from the regular redwall formula. The Long Patrol is not a story that centers around a single character, but rather it's a story about the events centered around the Long Patrol and their struggle with the rapscallion army. Sure, Tammo could be considered one of the more prominent characters, but he's normal and has a normal beast's limits. Tammo doesn't win all of his battles, wield Martin's sword, command an army, nor smile at the thought of battle. In fact, the only major event that sets Tammo apart is his involvement in the mission to infiltrate the rapscallion camp. But even then he was just following Midge Manycoats' instructions. And while finishing up the story, what kind of ending does Tammo get? Well, a relatively ordinary one. Why? because the story really isn't about Tammo. It's about the Long Patrol. The Long Patrol as a whole is what gets the special ending, and that is what makes this story so unique compared to the other books. That's why the book isn't called Tammo's journey
Title: Re: Favorite book in the redwall series
Post by: alexandre on August 16, 2016, 10:48:34 PM
I guess you do have a point, but the bad guys were still typical and all the adventure stuff was in areas that we have already seen, so I think that is what made it kind of dull. But I will grant that there was less focus on one character unlike other books.
Title: Re: Favorite book in the redwall series
Post by: Krowdon on August 29, 2016, 04:43:54 AM
Love all the books, but my favorite's gotta be Taggerung.

I think the idea of a woodlander being raised by vermin is really neat!! I do kinda wish that Deyna wasn't like, a complete goodbeast, but that's okay! The relationship between Nimbalo and Tagg I love, and of course, Cregga is in it too.

Also, I may be a little biased because that's the first Redwall book I ever read but hey.
Title: Re: Favorite book in the redwall series
Post by: Kitsune on August 29, 2016, 09:57:25 AM
I voted for Mossflower, because...

1) It did a really good job portraying the idea that "vermin" could be good creatures too.
2) It really showed how power can mess with one's mind, causing Tsarmina to try to viciously stamp out revolution as well as her being deathly afraid of being ultimately without power (being in water).
3) I liked how they let Tsarmima's army go at the end, instead of the usual "Blood an' vinegar!" massacre.
Title: Re: Favorite book in the redwall series
Post by: Ashleg on August 29, 2016, 03:42:09 PM
Mossflower's one of my faves, too. ;D
Title: Re: Favorite book in the redwall series
Post by: alexandre on August 29, 2016, 08:43:44 PM
Quote from: Kitsune on August 29, 2016, 09:57:25 AM
I voted for Mossflower, because...

1) It did a really good job portraying the idea that "vermin" could be good creatures too.
2) It really showed how power can mess with one's mind, causing Tsarmina to try to viciously stamp out revolution as well as her being deathly afraid of being ultimately without power (being in water).
3) I liked how they let Tsarmima's army go at the end, instead of the usual "Blood an' vinegar!" massacre.

I completely agree, also there is Gonff who is awesome.
Title: Re: Favorite book in the redwall series
Post by: Delthion on August 29, 2016, 10:22:49 PM
Rakkety Tam! It was either that or Mattimeo.
Title: Re: Favorite book in the redwall series
Post by: The Skarzs on August 31, 2016, 05:17:52 PM
Definitely Mossflower! It set the standard for so many things in the series, like the way the moles were and the personality of Martin, as well as the origin of his sword. It had this feeling throughout the book of something older and more original than any of the others. It encompassed a huge area of the world, kind of like mapping Mossflower in a way, and it introduced several interesting places like Salamandastron and the legendary badgers, Brockhall, Kotir (and the future site of Redwall), among other things. The culture of the book was also interesting, with what seemed to be an organized army that took taxes, the distinct feeling of unrest, and how we just knew a storm was about to break.


I could go on. In my opinion, it's the most well-written book in the series.
Title: Re: Favorite book in the redwall series
Post by: alexandre on August 31, 2016, 07:34:02 PM
Quote from: Skarzs on August 31, 2016, 05:17:52 PM
Definitely Mossflower! It set the standard for so many things in the series, like the way the moles were and the personality of Martin, as well as the origin of his sword. It had this feeling throughout the book of something older and more original than any of the others. It encompassed a huge area of the world, kind of like mapping Mossflower in a way, and it introduced several interesting places like Salamandastron and the legendary badgers, Brockhall, Kotir (and the future site of Redwall), among other things. The culture of the book was also interesting, with what seemed to be an organized army that took taxes, the distinct feeling of unrest, and how we just knew a storm was about to break.


I could go on. In my opinion, it's the most well-written book in the series.


I very much agree
Title: Re: Favorite book in the redwall series
Post by: Søren on September 12, 2016, 07:09:10 AM
Mossflower was my first, and stole my heart as my favorite ever since.

I found a copy of Taggurung at a yard sale the other day. That was a cool through back. :)
Title: Re: Favorite book in the redwall series
Post by: belle on September 12, 2016, 10:36:58 PM
I accidentally picked Pearls of Lutra. I meant to pick the Taggerung.
It is not the best Redwall book of the series and Deyna is a bit annoying. However, it was my second Redwall book and the first I read that had the Abbey in it (the first book of the series I'd read was Lord Brocktree, which was captivating, but rather dark and sobering for an 11 year old kid). I didn't care much about the plot of woodlander raised by a vermin because I didn't understand the good species / evil species thing Redwall had going on and it was poorly handled anyway. But the story of a son finding his mother and sister again is always heartwarming and Redwall Abbey seemed like a delightful and romantic place to live when I read that second book so long ago.
Sad to say after many books, the series seemed to become repetitive. Mossflower was as beautiful a book as its name. Martin the Warrior was, like Lord Brocktree, captivating, but very dark and emotional; I never read it more than once. Still a great book. I liked Salamandastron for the conflict between a rebellious daughter and a father figure who died before she could understand what he wanted to teach her. Mattimeo was a great adventure; so was the Bellmaker, and i have to admit I especially loved the fact there was a good vermin - while that shouldn't be a plot twist that's used in every book, it's an occasional treat. Pearls of Lutra was a favorite, mostly because of getting to see day to day life for a main character who seemed to be a bit younger than the usual Redwall protagonist, but not a baby. I absolutely loved Marlfox.
Unfortunately I have to say all the rest of the ones I've read (and i haven't read them all yet) are merely entertaining because they're a continuation of the series. I didn't like Redwall, but it was Jacques' first work, so it wasn't perfect. I didn't care for Mariel of Redwall and didn't care for Mariel. I didn't like Long Patrol, and didn't like whatever book that was that had the hare who was aloof from other hares because he felt "different" from them and "didn't speak like the other hares did." Outcast of Redwall was entertaining but a bit stupid. I didn't like whatever Redwall book had the Diibbuns who were all kidnapped and then saved by an annoying shrewmaid. Triss and Holt Rhulain were just ok. Eulalia was laughable in its plot with the badgers and was only interesting because of the brief time that Orkwil was a flawed character in trouble before he made a 180 aboutface within moments and became a leader like most flawed Redwall protagonists do; Maudie was even more bland in that respect than Orkwil, just another gluttonous, feisty, bland haremaid like Dottie Duckworthy. I think Rakkety Tam was my least favorite; I hardly even remembered it existed.
Title: Re: Favorite book in the redwall series
Post by: Hickory on September 12, 2016, 11:28:52 PM
Marlfox is definitely one of the books I reread a lot, with lots of good heroes and a thick plot. My only problem with it is that there's no real success in the Marlfox siege, it's just about them getting picked off one by one with no success on their side.
Title: Re: Favorite book in the redwall series
Post by: alexandre on September 17, 2016, 08:44:20 PM
My least favorite was the Rouge Crew, I don't know exactly why but it was just very dull,  :-\ So much so that I still don't remember the ending and I never make it that far when I try to read it.
Title: Re: Favorite book in the redwall series
Post by: Gonff the Mousethief on September 18, 2016, 01:01:15 AM
Quote from: alexandre on September 17, 2016, 08:44:20 PM
My least favorite was the Rouge Crew, I don't know exactly why but it was just very dull,  :-\ So much so that I still don't remember the ending and I never make it that far when I try to read it.

My reason for not liking it is that there was no central character to be the main hero. Yeah, there was the Scottish rabbit and that one otter, but there was no one like Triss or Tagg that really stood out. Also, all of those hedgehogs are useless in every way.
Title: Re: Favorite book in the redwall series
Post by: Søren on September 21, 2016, 06:01:36 AM
All I remember of the Rogue Crew is Razzid and his ship, the... Gorleech? Am I thinking of something else?

Naturally, I voted Mossflower.
Title: Re: Favorite book in the redwall series
Post by: Wylder Treejumper on September 21, 2016, 06:04:03 AM
Blast! This is tough. I voted Rakkety Tam, but it was split between that and Martin the Warrior, The Long Patrol and Redwall.
Title: Re: Favorite book in the redwall series
Post by: alexandre on September 21, 2016, 06:05:35 AM
Quote from: Søren on September 21, 2016, 06:01:36 AM
All I remember of the Rogue Crew is Razzid and his ship, the... Gorleech? Am I thinking of something else?

Naturally, I voted Mossflower.

Naturally, of course O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0
Title: Re: Favorite book in the redwall series
Post by: Banya on September 21, 2016, 06:17:53 AM
Legend of Luke, closely followed by Pearls of Lutra and Taggerung.
Title: Re: Favorite book in the redwall series
Post by: Delthion on September 21, 2016, 07:57:04 PM
Quote from: Wylder Treejumper on September 21, 2016, 06:04:03 AM
Blast! This is tough. I voted Rakkety Tam, but it was split between that and Martin the Warrior, The Long Patrol and Redwall.

For me it's either Rakkety Tam or Mattimeo, but I voted Rakkety Tam. ;D
Title: Re: Favorite book in the redwall series
Post by: alexandre on September 22, 2016, 12:49:18 AM
     I eliminated all the 1 vote books, recast your votes please. Note: You don't need to change the book you vote for, just vote for it again, unless it was eliminated.
Title: Re: Favorite book in the redwall series
Post by: alexandre on September 23, 2016, 02:37:02 AM
Quote from: belle on September 12, 2016, 10:36:58 PM
I accidentally picked Pearls of Lutra. I meant to pick the Taggerung.
It is not the best Redwall book of the series and Deyna is a bit annoying. However, it was my second Redwall book and the first I read that had the Abbey in it (the first book of the series I'd read was Lord Brocktree, which was captivating, but rather dark and sobering for an 11 year old kid). I didn't care much about the plot of woodlander raised by a vermin because I didn't understand the good species / evil species thing Redwall had going on and it was poorly handled anyway. But the story of a son finding his mother and sister again is always heartwarming and Redwall Abbey seemed like a delightful and romantic place to live when I read that second book so long ago.
Sad to say after many books, the series seemed to become repetitive. Mossflower was as beautiful a book as its name. Martin the Warrior was, like Lord Brocktree, captivating, but very dark and emotional; I never read it more than once. Still a great book. I liked Salamandastron for the conflict between a rebellious daughter and a father figure who died before she could understand what he wanted to teach her. Mattimeo was a great adventure; so was the Bellmaker, and i have to admit I especially loved the fact there was a good vermin - while that shouldn't be a plot twist that's used in every book, it's an occasional treat. Pearls of Lutra was a favorite, mostly because of getting to see day to day life for a main character who seemed to be a bit younger than the usual Redwall protagonist, but not a baby. I absolutely loved Marlfox.
Unfortunately I have to say all the rest of the ones I've read (and i haven't read them all yet) are merely entertaining because they're a continuation of the series. I didn't like Redwall, but it was Jacques' first work, so it wasn't perfect. I didn't care for Mariel of Redwall and didn't care for Mariel. I didn't like Long Patrol, and didn't like whatever book that was that had the hare who was aloof from other hares because he felt "different" from them and "didn't speak like the other hares did." Outcast of Redwall was entertaining but a bit stupid. I didn't like whatever Redwall book had the Diibbuns who were all kidnapped and then saved by an annoying shrewmaid. Triss and Holt Rhulain were just ok. Eulalia was laughable in its plot with the badgers and was only interesting because of the brief time that Orkwil was a flawed character in trouble before he made a 180 aboutface within moments and became a leader like most flawed Redwall protagonists do; Maudie was even more bland in that respect than Orkwil, just another gluttonous, feisty, bland haremaid like Dottie Duckworthy. I think Rakkety Tam was my least favorite; I hardly even remembered it existed.
I added Taggerung because it should have recieved Two Votes so it wasn't eliminated.