Redwall Abbey

 why????????????????

I think I read at wikipidiea (on the tv show)they were going to keep on but didnt have anough funds.I know it sucks :(

maybe us the peoples of the forum could starta redwall tv fund raiser

From what I know, the support was not there financially and on the network to make another season.  Nelvana supposedly really wanted to do another one if those items could be found.

hmmm


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I thought it wasn't because of funding, but because they just didn't want to or for some other reason stopped. But as far as I know funding wasn't a problem

According to Wikipedia here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redwall_%28TV_series%29#Fourth_season), it was a funding issue, though the show was popular.

Quote from: Lutra on November 13, 2011, 02:42:16 PM
^ Nelvana is going strong...they most certainly did not run out of money.  ;)  Couldn't find supporters to carry the series for another season.  Supposedly they would've loved to do another season if the financial support and the markets were there to support a fourth season...

I believe that this would be the reason. I got this quote from the Poll entitled "redwall TV Series". http://redwallabbey.com/forum/index.php?topic=1054.0

News to me, previously I thought it wasn't a popular show, it was certainly more serious than its animation style suggested. Wouldn't be surprised if some other hot show came in and needed a slot (like Sonic SatAM being replaced by Power Rangers). Unfortunately with the show being off the air, if they were to eventually revisit the series, they'd probably have to re-air the old episodes for a while to get people used to it again.

I suppose you could be right. They could just Start it all over again with new and Improved Animation.

well it must be popular cause its on netflix

:/

Quote from: eualaia on November 18, 2011, 03:32:08 AM
well it must be popular cause its on netflix

:/

I don't think anyone was saying that it never was popular.  Among potential sponsors though to help keep the show in production, maybe they just didn't see the potential.

I checked Netflix, and indeed, all 3 seasons of Redwall are available for streaming to a computer, Wii, xbox.  I wonder how long though because Netflix's streaming titles often change based on whatever deals they have with the production companies.

Quote from: Lutra on November 18, 2011, 11:36:29 AM
I don't think anyone was saying that it never was popular.  Among potential sponsors though to help keep the show in production, maybe they just didn't see the potential.

I checked Netflix, and indeed, all 3 seasons of Redwall are available for streaming to a computer, Wii, xbox.  I wonder how long though because Netflix's streaming titles often change based on whatever deals they have with the production companies.

It must have just happened this month. Last time I checked to see if Netflix had Redwall, they only had it on DVD.

What movies you can stream on Netflix changes every month. I started watching a movie at the end of the month, and went back to finish it another day. It was unavailable except for DVD rent.  :(

Quote from: Redwall Musician on November 18, 2011, 06:55:36 PM

Quote from: Lutra on November 18, 2011, 11:36:29 AM
I don't think anyone was saying that it never was popular.  Among potential sponsors though to help keep the show in production, maybe they just didn't see the potential.

I checked Netflix, and indeed, all 3 seasons of Redwall are available for streaming to a computer, Wii, xbox.  I wonder how long though because Netflix's streaming titles often change based on whatever deals they have with the production companies.

It must have just happened this month. Last time I checked to see if Netflix had Redwall, they only had it on DVD.

What movies you can stream on Netflix changes every month. I started watching a movie at the end of the month, and went back to finish it another day. It was unavailable except for DVD rent.  :(

It has been able to stream on Netflix on the Wii for at least 2 months, I believe. I know because I have been watching it, I started watching at least during last month.

Despite its availability on Netflix, I'd try and get a copy on dvd or something just because the licensing rights can disappear and then its no longer on Netflix.

Quote from: Lutra on November 20, 2011, 01:25:12 PM
Despite its availability on Netflix, I'd try and get a copy on dvd or something just because the licensing rights can disappear and then its no longer on Netflix.

The Funny thing is, I can't find a copy of any of the seasons anywhere. Plus, I can only find used copies of a set of half a season online, and knowing that it is a children's series makes me think that the discs might not be playable. But I do Agree, if I ever find a copy in a store, I will definitely want to buy it. And I probably will buy it (Especially if it was converted to Blu-Ray).

Season 1:

http://www.amazon.com/Redwall-Adventure-Begins-Tyrone-Savage/dp/B00330907I/ref=sr_1_1?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1321961675&sr=1-1

and

http://www.amazon.com/Redwall-Next-Adventure-Tyrone-Savage/dp/B004L1DB8M/ref=sr_1_2?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1321961675&sr=1-2

Both for about $15 for the entire first season.  I agree, the other two aren't available (yet) but I think with the recent re-release of the first gives hope the other two will follow. ;)  Season 2 and 3 do exist, but at a price.

I always wondered where you could by it.Wish more people knew about redwall,I was at the beach once and instead of making a sand castle I made a 3-d map of mossflower,redwall,etc. some boy walked by saw it and asked me if it was redwall I said yes and he ran and got his dad and showed it to him.He was telling his dad all about redwall abbey.I left it there I hope more people saw it! :)

Awesome!

I'll be a monkey's uncle..... They have it brand new from Amazon itself.... That is pretty cool. I kind of want them now, but I was hoping for a whole set that would be called Redwall Season 1, not just the first six episodes. I mean sure you can also buy the second half of season 1. But I was hoping for a 1 box set of the whole season.

^ Small complaint when you consider you don't have to spend a fortune to get the first season. ;)

Quote from: Lutra on November 23, 2011, 02:30:32 AM
^ Small complaint when you consider you don't have to spend a fortune to get the first season. ;)

That is true, and owning it in two sets is better than not owning it at all, right? :)

i just widh there would be new seasons :(

Why don't you just look it up on Youtube?

i have seen al 3 seasons

Quote from: Ceteruler on January 04, 2012, 01:00:39 PM
Why don't you just look it up on Youtube?

Yea, they have all three season's available there.

True...its one thing to say "I watched it on youtube" its another to say "I own the seasons and can watch them whenever I want in better quality". :)  That's why I own them, not just watch the episodes on youtube or netflix.

Quote from: Lutra on April 01, 2013, 02:48:30 AM
True...its one thing to say "I watched it on youtube" its another to say "I own the seasons and can watch them whenever I want in better quality". :)  That's why I own them, not just watch the episodes on youtube or netflix.

But they all cost ALOT of money! I was extreimly lucky to buy half of the first season for ONLY $20! Why are they sooo expensive?

Econ 101 - supply and demand ;)

Low supply (because its out of print), high demand = high prices (and someone will likely buy it for a higher price because they want it badly enough)

We'll see....I'm awaiting to see if they got the rights to other seasons to release on DVD.  I still have to get Season 2.

Quote from: Lutra on April 04, 2013, 01:21:00 PM
Econ 101 - supply and demand ;)

Low supply (because its out of print), high demand = high prices (and someone will likely buy it for a higher price because they want it badly enough)

We'll see....I'm awaiting to see if they got the rights to other seasons to release on DVD.  I still have to get Season 2.

I just need to buy the secand half of the First Season and then I'll have the hole first season. But I just cant seem to find the secand anywere.... Does anybody know were I could buy it?

Quote from: Ungatt Trunn on April 04, 2013, 07:44:51 PM

Quote from: Lutra on April 04, 2013, 01:21:00 PM
Econ 101 - supply and demand ;)

Low supply (because its out of print), high demand = high prices (and someone will likely buy it for a higher price because they want it badly enough)

We'll see....I'm awaiting to see if they got the rights to other seasons to release on DVD.  I still have to get Season 2.

I just need to buy the secand half of the First Season and then I'll have the hole first season. But I just cant seem to find the secand anywere.... Does anybody know were I could buy it?

Try Barnes & Noble. I got my Redwall DVDs there for around $7 each.

Season 1, second half of episodes:  http://www.amazon.com/Redwall-Next-Adventure-Tyrone-Savage/dp/B004L1DB8M/ref=pd_cp_mov_0

$7.00

Why is it that they only have Season 1 available in two seperate DVDs? Why didn't they do that with the other two seasons?

They do but you have to pay 119 dollars to get it.

Quote from: Ungatt Trunn on April 05, 2013, 11:44:00 PM
Why is it that they only have Season 1 available in two seperate DVDs? Why didn't they do that with the other two seasons?

The other seasons I think were released in 2005 or something around there.  The one I linked to was a new release from about 2011 and put more copies of Season 1 out there at a reasonable price.  If I linked to the original Season 1 release from 2005 I bet its going for hundreds of dollars too.  And here it is: http://www.amazon.com/Redwall-Season-One-Tyrone-Savage/dp/B000BZ8IC6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1365261385&sr=8-1&keywords=redwall+season+1

Just so its out there, season 2 and season 3 have not seen a new DVD release; only season 1 has thus far.  That is why you can get it for cheaper than the other two which have been OOP for 8 years now.

Quote from: Lutra on April 06, 2013, 04:18:39 PM
Just so its out there, season 2 and season 3 have not seen a new DVD release; only season 1 has thus far.  That is why you can get it for cheaper than the other two which have been OOP for 8 years now.

But why did they do that with only Season 1? If they had done that with Season 3, then I'd be on it like fire on paper!

Now PBS is boring, with news and programs for preschoolers. The Redwall series isn't as accurate to the books as I'd like it to be but it was great when it was on. It added some spice to the channel.

Quote from: Redwallfan7 on April 06, 2013, 05:00:26 PM
Now PBS is boring, with news and programs for preschoolers. The Redwall series isn't as accurate to the books as I'd like it to be but it was great when it was on. It added some spice to the channel.

Yea, I hope they continue to make the Redwall TV show.... one about Mossflower, prehaps?

I like Mossflower that may make one of the best movies.

Just found something out...they did have Season 2 split up onto 3 seperate DVDs. Unfortunautly, they are only playable on Reagion 2 DVD players. How disapointing >:(!

I'll have to dig out the DVDs I've got to see what they are - I know I've got a set that is Volume 1 to Volume 8, and then I've got another single DVD (all Region 4, Australia / New Zealand, I think).

I don't have the CD's. I either watch on youtube or on Netflix. But I think they should continue it.

I have the cds of Redwall, but the others I watched on Netflix.

I still dont see why The complete Seasons are soooo rare and expensive! Why?

I don't know. Maybe alot of them were'nt made.

Ungatt, they're out of print.  All the copies that were made were sold.  Unless someone that had bought a copy wants to sell it, they aren't out there.

Quote from: Lutra on April 12, 2013, 11:25:39 PM
Ungatt, they're out of print.  All the copies that were made were sold.  Unless someone that had bought a copy wants to sell it, they aren't out there.

They were on ebay, wich may explain how I saw them. BTW, most of them were used.
Question: Why did they stop making DVD copies of the 2nd and 3rd Seasons and didn't stop making the 1st one? Wouldn't they make more money if they sold all three?

Yes, the ones on ebay are used because they sold all of the new copies back in 2005-2006 or so when the dvds were made.  They recently re-released Season 1, that is why there are copies available for a reasonable price.  Phase 4 films has the rights to a lot of Nelvana stuff, but I haven't had much luck in figuring out if they have access to the entire Redwall collection.  Right now it seems they only were allowed to reprint Season 1.

Quote from: eualaia on November 16, 2011, 12:36:02 AM
maybe us the peoples of the forum could starta redwall tv fund raiser

Here is where some people attempted to make another movie, for Mossflower, but were unable to get the rights. http://redwall-animation.deviantart.com/

They are currently working on an anthropomorphic animal movie thing, very similar to redwall, set a little later, and with a wider range of animals, called The Heir of Rawnwave. There is a link to that here: http://phoenix-unity.deviantart.com/

Quotewhy did they cancel redwall tv series

The same reason as always: Fools in management.  :(
The Nielsen and similar ratings systems are incredibly faulty and inaccurate. Unfortunately the fools in network management believe those results and cancel shows that supposedly aren't be watched by "enough" people. Fewer viewers means the management can't charge the advertisers as much ... which is a faulty premise as well since very few adverts are booked for particular timeslots or shows. Advertisers pay for a certain number of broadcasts, with a percentage of them being during "primetime" (it depends on the target audience as to when that is - for kids' products, it's the after-school time slots for example). Many countries are now banning certain types of advertising in kids' show timeslots anyway.



I've dug out the Redwall DVDs and these are what I have. I haven't gotten around to watching them yet.

First there's these eight volumes (Region 4) that come in normal DVD cases and, from what I can work out, they are Season 1 and Season 2. I got them a few years ago (they were released here in about 2006), but there's no sign of any further volumes :(:

• Brian Jacques' Redwall
  Nelvana / Alpanim Co-production (copyright 1999)
  Released and distributed under licence in Australia / New Zealand by MRA Entertainment
  
  
  • Volume 1 episodes: (Running Time: 64 minutes)
    • Cluny the Scourge - Part 1
      
    • Cluny the Scourge - Part 2
      
    • Treachery
  .
  
  • Volume 2 episodes: (Running Time: 64 minutes)
    • Sparra's Kingdom
      
    • Cluny's Clowns
      
    • High Standards
  .
  
  • Volume 3 episodes: (Running Time: 65 minutes)
    • Captain Snow
      
    • Battle Plans
      
    • The Visitor
  .
  
  • Volume 4 episodes: (Running Time: 86 minutes)
    • A Favour Returned
      
    • Asmodeus
      
    • Underground
      
    • The Final Conflict
  .
  
  • Volume 5 episodes: (Running Time: 65 minutes)
    • Slagar the Slayer
      
    • The Magician Revealed
      
    • Where the Little Folk Go
  .
  
  • Volume 6 episodes: (Running Time: 64 minutes)
    • Found... and Lost
      
    • To Be a Warrior
      
    • Ironbeak
  .
  
  • Volume 7 episodes: (Running Time: 64 minutes)
    • Perils in the Toplands
      
    • Feathered Friends and Foes
      
    • The Abyss
  .
  
  • Volume 8 episodes: (Running Time: 85 minutes)
    • Malkariss
      
    • Battle
      
    • Reunited
      
    • Return to Redwall

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Plus there's this one which comes in a blue "kiddy box" with a carry handle on the top. By the look of it it's simply the first four of the above volumes joined together into a "movie". It doesn't say what region, but presumably it's Region 4 as well:

• Brian Jacques' Redwall
  Nelvana / Alpanim Co-production (copyright 1999)
  Released and distributed under licence in Australia / New Zealand by Jigsaw Entertainment and Video Unlimted
  
  Full length feature. Approx. Running Time: 84 minutes plus trailers.
  
  Redwall Abbey is the home of a community of gentle mice, moles, otters and badgers. All seems peaceful in this medieval community when suddenly their peace is shattered when the rats arrive at the Abbey walls. They have come to conquer and destroy, led by the most evil and savage rat of them all - Cluny the Scourge.
  
  War erupts, but during this an unlikely hero emerges - a bumbling young novice monk convinced of his own courage and strength named Matthias.
  
  No one could have predicted that [t]his young mouse would lead the fight against the evil rats and would become the next great defender of Redwall.

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(I've just noticed that there's a typo on the box insert of "this" on the last paragraph.)

QuoteThe same reason as always: Fools in management.  Sad
The Nielsen and similar ratings systems are incredibly faulty and inaccurate. Unfortunately the fools in network management believe those results and cancel shows that supposedly aren't be watched by "enough" people. Fewer viewers means the management can't charge the advertisers as much ... which is a faulty premise as well since very few adverts are booked for particular timeslots or shows. Advertisers pay for a certain number of broadcasts, with a percentage of them being during "primetime" (it depends on the target audience as to when that is - for kids' products, it's the after-school time slots for example). Many countries are now banning certain types of advertising in kids' show timeslots anyway.

That would be correct if it actually aired in some cable stations like Nickelodeon when the series premiered.  It aired on the Public Broadcasting System in the US, so no advertising there (or very minimal).  Might not be the same for Canada's release, but I can't say I know much about it.

Apart from the Maori-ised version, the show has never played down here in New Zealand at all.  :(

That's too bad :-\

Aye, a real zhame.

There have been numerous DVD releases of the TV series internationally. For the full list, see here: http://redwall.wikia.com/wiki/Redwall_TV_Series

The show was canceled just like other shows are canceled each season: ratings. It has been over a decade, and certainly won't be returning. That's not to say that a Redwall TV adaptation couldn't happen again in the future, just that this Nelvana version is totally done.

Never zay never, zere'z nae tellin' ze future. It'z doubtful zat zey may continue it, but nae completely oot o' ze queztion.

True...never say never....who'd have thunk something like "Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs" would've had a film adaptation?  So I get it that things could happen, but it certainly won't be with Nelvana, and it probably won't be in the same style.  They're on the CGI bandwagon too these days.

I know that this isn't really what we are discussing in this thread anymore, but in my area when they cancelled Redwall TV they replaced it with a very stupid show called Mia and Miguel.  :P :'(

Maya and Miguel is not a stupid show, IMO, but I think Redwall is WAY better.  I used to watch Maya and Miguel all the time when I was a kid

Aye, it vaznae dumb, it juzt vaz replacin' a far better zhov.

Quote from: HeadInAnotherGalaxy on May 26, 2013, 07:05:48 PM
Aye, it vaznae dumb, it juzt vaz replacin' a far better zhov.

So true. Mia and Migel is okay, but, its like pennies to the Redwall show!

The story is that they ran out of funding and support. I also think they might've lost their nerve. Someone blames the management and I thought about how the show was cancelled about the time Nelvena did Cardcaptors and took to making fish-like kiddy anime dubs... 

We're talking about a show where cutes and cuddly--and not so cute and cuddly--animals are violently hurting/maiming/killing each other in a nightmarish (for parents and prudes) cross between Walt Disney and Mel Gibson. (Thanks Heavens the producers made the stories less barbarous and bloody than the books we'd REALLY be in trouble!).

In today's animation industry where cartoon shows are immature, mindless entertainment for children (and some adults) with no standards and/or act as toy commercials--while smarter, deeper animated shows are practically punished for being so--the show would just fail all over again  :'(

As much as I'd like to see another Redwall project, it ain't happening.

(And we can just forget about a movie...EVER)

Quote from: JangoCoolguy on November 04, 2013, 09:42:37 PM
(And we can just forget about a movie...EVER)

Why forget about a Redwall movie?

Quote from: Ungatt Trunn on November 04, 2013, 10:53:45 PM

Quote from: JangoCoolguy on November 04, 2013, 09:42:37 PM
(And we can just forget about a movie...EVER)

Why forget about a Redwall movie?

Because it's just not happening for many of the reasons I stated. And even if it does happen, it'll probably be water downed and/or flop :( 

Quote from: JangoCoolguy on November 04, 2013, 11:45:33 PM

Quote from: Ungatt Trunn on November 04, 2013, 10:53:45 PM

Quote from: JangoCoolguy on November 04, 2013, 09:42:37 PM
(And we can just forget about a movie...EVER)

Why forget about a Redwall movie?

Because it's just not happening for many of the reasons I stated. And even if it does happen, it'll probably be water downed and/or flop :(  

I wish they could just make a PG-13 movie or something, then it could be more accurate to the book without overprotective parents freaking out.

(*cough* Skalrag being tortured with feathers *cough*)

Quote from: JangoCoolguy on November 04, 2013, 11:45:33 PM

Quote from: Ungatt Trunn on November 04, 2013, 10:53:45 PM

Quote from: JangoCoolguy on November 04, 2013, 09:42:37 PM
(And we can just forget about a movie...EVER)

Why forget about a Redwall movie?

Because it's just not happening for many of the reasons I stated. And even if it does happen, it'll probably be water downed and/or flop :( 

The Redwall TV series was okay. Couldn't that mean that a movie could be okay too?

Quote from: Ungatt Trunn on November 05, 2013, 01:10:03 AM
The Redwall TV series was okay. Couldn't that mean that a movie could be okay too?

Oh, it COULD

...but I don't trust the Suits
>.>
<.<

Quote from: JangoCoolguy on November 05, 2013, 02:53:49 AM

Quote from: Ungatt Trunn on November 05, 2013, 01:10:03 AM
The Redwall TV series was okay. Couldn't that mean that a movie could be okay too?

Oh, it COULD

...but I don't trust the Suits
>.>
<.<

Yep :-\

Quote from: WildDoogyPlumm on November 05, 2013, 01:06:57 AM

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Quote from: Ungatt Trunn on November 04, 2013, 10:53:45 PM

Quote from: JangoCoolguy on November 04, 2013, 09:42:37 PM
(And we can just forget about a movie...EVER)

Why forget about a Redwall movie?

Because it's just not happening for many of the reasons I stated. And even if it does happen, it'll probably be water downed and/or flop :(  

I wish they could just make a PG-13 movie or something, then it could be more accurate to the book without overprotective parents freaking out.

(*cough* Skalrag being tortured with feathers *cough*)

IKR? I hate that part in the TV show! I have some friends who... *sigh*... chose not to read the Redwall series because of the TV show. I feel that a Redwall movie or more accurate TV show would've worked earlier on, before Nelvana produced the original show. Unfortunately, there are now too many people who think that Redwall is "cute" or a "kid's book" (for like 3-6 graders and no older). They would be simply shocked at an accurate PG-13 movie, unfortunately

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Quote from: Ungatt Trunn on November 04, 2013, 10:53:45 PM

Quote from: JangoCoolguy on November 04, 2013, 09:42:37 PM
(And we can just forget about a movie...EVER)

Why forget about a Redwall movie?

Because it's just not happening for many of the reasons I stated. And even if it does happen, it'll probably be water downed and/or flop :(  

I wish they could just make a PG-13 movie or something, then it could be more accurate to the book without overprotective parents freaking out.

(*cough* Skalrag being tortured with feathers *cough*)

IKR? I hate that part in the TV show! I have some friends who... *sigh*... chose not to read the Redwall series because of the TV show. I feel that a Redwall movie or more accurate TV show would've worked earlier on, before Nelvana produced the original show. Unfortunately, there are now too many people who think that Redwall is "cute" or a "kid's book" (for like 3-6 graders and no older). They would be simply shocked at an accurate PG-13 movie, unfortunately

I feelings exactly! And yes, I thought Skalrag being tortured with a feather was just...RISICULOUSE!!!

Quote from: Romsca on November 08, 2013, 09:30:22 PM
Unfortunately, there are now too many people who think that Redwall is "cute" or a "kid's book" (for like 3-6 graders and no older). They would be simply shocked at an accurate PG-13 movie, unfortunately

EXACTLY!

Though I don't necessarily think PG-13 is THE route we need to take. Solid PG could get the job done just as well, if not a little better. To be honest, I actually LIKED how the Show wasn't as violent as the books. Heck, I liked Skalrath's death there. It was so farfetched it was hilarious! XD

A movie or new show could still play for keeps, but not be as needlessly violent as the books tended to be--especially since it got worse as the series went on. (Sometimes I wonder if Brian could've used some counseling...)

Wow, there are so many diffrerent opinions here! ;)

Quote from: Romsca on November 08, 2013, 09:30:22 PM

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Quote from: Ungatt Trunn on November 04, 2013, 10:53:45 PM

Quote from: JangoCoolguy on November 04, 2013, 09:42:37 PM
(And we can just forget about a movie...EVER)

Why forget about a Redwall movie?

Because it's just not happening for many of the reasons I stated. And even if it does happen, it'll probably be water downed and/or flop :(  

I wish they could just make a PG-13 movie or something, then it could be more accurate to the book without overprotective parents freaking out.

(*cough* Skalrag being tortured with feathers *cough*)

IKR? I hate that part in the TV show! I have some friends who... *sigh*... chose not to read the Redwall series because of the TV show. I feel that a Redwall movie or more accurate TV show would've worked earlier on, before Nelvana produced the original show. Unfortunately, there are now too many people who think that Redwall is "cute" or a "kid's book" (for like 3-6 graders and no older). They would be simply shocked at an accurate PG-13 movie, unfortunately

Agreed! Which is one reason I feel slightly embarrassed (and I'm not proud of being embarrassed) when I try to explain the RW series to people. It's a "kid's" book, and since I'm in high school books like that seem to be frowned upon.
Teen books though seem to never be as awesome as good old kids novels.  ;D

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Quote from: Ungatt Trunn on November 04, 2013, 10:53:45 PM

Quote from: JangoCoolguy on November 04, 2013, 09:42:37 PM
(And we can just forget about a movie...EVER)

Why forget about a Redwall movie?

Because it's just not happening for many of the reasons I stated. And even if it does happen, it'll probably be water downed and/or flop :(  

I wish they could just make a PG-13 movie or something, then it could be more accurate to the book without overprotective parents freaking out.

(*cough* Skalrag being tortured with feathers *cough*)

IKR? I hate that part in the TV show! I have some friends who... *sigh*... chose not to read the Redwall series because of the TV show. I feel that a Redwall movie or more accurate TV show would've worked earlier on, before Nelvana produced the original show. Unfortunately, there are now too many people who think that Redwall is "cute" or a "kid's book" (for like 3-6 graders and no older). They would be simply shocked at an accurate PG-13 movie, unfortunately

Agreed! Which is one reason I feel slightly embarrassed (and I'm not proud of being embarrassed) when I try to explain the RW series to people. It's a "kid's" book, and since I'm in high school books like that seem to be frowned upon.
Teen books though seem to never be as awesome as good old kids novels.  ;D

Amen!

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Quote from: Ungatt Trunn on November 04, 2013, 10:53:45 PM

Quote from: JangoCoolguy on November 04, 2013, 09:42:37 PM
(And we can just forget about a movie...EVER)

Why forget about a Redwall movie?

Because it's just not happening for many of the reasons I stated. And even if it does happen, it'll probably be water downed and/or flop :(  

I wish they could just make a PG-13 movie or something, then it could be more accurate to the book without overprotective parents freaking out.

(*cough* Skalrag being tortured with feathers *cough*)

IKR? I hate that part in the TV show! I have some friends who... *sigh*... chose not to read the Redwall series because of the TV show. I feel that a Redwall movie or more accurate TV show would've worked earlier on, before Nelvana produced the original show. Unfortunately, there are now too many people who think that Redwall is "cute" or a "kid's book" (for like 3-6 graders and no older). They would be simply shocked at an accurate PG-13 movie, unfortunately

Agreed! Which is one reason I feel slightly embarrassed (and I'm not proud of being embarrassed) when I try to explain the RW series to people. It's a "kid's" book, and since I'm in high school books like that seem to be frowned upon.
Teen books though seem to never be as awesome as good old kids novels.  ;D

Even when I was in jr high reading these books for the first time, I never thought of them as children's books.  Honestly, going back and reading them now as an adult I feel that they are definitely not kids books.  I know that they are, but they just seem to be deeper and more challenging than anything young adult's are reading nowadays. As an English teacher, I wish there were more books written like these.

Quote from: Bloodwrath on November 15, 2013, 08:53:26 PM
Even when I was in jr high reading these books for the first time, I never thought of them as children's books.  Honestly, going back and reading them now as an adult I feel that they are definitely not kids books.  I know that they are, but they just seem to be deeper and more challenging than anything young adult's are reading nowadays.

I know, right?

I don't know why the series is officially categorized as children's literature when the books are the most barbarous and bloody story about animals outside a documentary (and even then most of those aren't as bad). Sure, Redwall was a story Jacques made for blind kids, but it wasn't nearly as bad as its sequels and prequels, which seemed to get worse about it as the series went along.

Each Tale has a body count in the hundreds--sometimes thousands--with characters being stabbed, maimed, impaled, poisoned, beheaded, dismembered, shot, crushed, throat slitted, strangled, drowned, and eaten . (And people complained about the deaths in Harry Potter). Yet they're often considered children's lit because they have talking animals -_-

At the very least, couldn't someone officially upgrade them to "Young Adult" books?

Well I think they should start by keeping them on the shelves first, it's getting harder and harder to find them in book stores.

Quote from: Leatho Shellhound on November 15, 2013, 11:27:06 PM
Well I think they should start by keeping them on the shelves first, it's getting harder and harder to find them in book stores.

Really? They had a few Redwall books at my local bookstore...

Quote from: Ungatt Trunn on November 16, 2013, 12:32:31 AM

Quote from: Leatho Shellhound on November 15, 2013, 11:27:06 PM
Well I think they should start by keeping them on the shelves first, it's getting harder and harder to find them in book stores.

Really? They had a few Redwall books at my local bookstore...

One of the first things I did upon going into high school this year was check out the library. Their fiction section is embarrassingly small...AND THERE'S NO REDWALL BOOKS!

Quote from: WildDoogyPlumm on November 16, 2013, 02:21:54 AM

Quote from: Ungatt Trunn on November 16, 2013, 12:32:31 AM

Quote from: Leatho Shellhound on November 15, 2013, 11:27:06 PM
Well I think they should start by keeping them on the shelves first, it's getting harder and harder to find them in book stores.

Really? They had a few Redwall books at my local bookstore...

One of the first things I did upon going into high school this year was check out the library. Their fiction section is embarrassingly small...AND THERE'S NO REDWALL BOOKS!

Ouch!

Quote from: Leatho Shellhound on November 15, 2013, 11:27:06 PM
Well I think they should start by keeping them on the shelves first, it's getting harder and harder to find them in book stores.

Well...I'm pretty blessed, as I have nearly all of them, all bought at a local book shop.

Really? At the library at the high school I went to last year, they had all of them. Then again, the librarian said no one ever checked them out. :-\ At my local library, however, the Redwall books are considered young adult books

Quote from: Romsca on November 18, 2013, 02:20:18 AM
Really? At the library at the high school I went to last year, they had all of them. Then again, the librarian said no one ever checked them out. :-\ At my local library, however, the Redwall books are considered young adult books

The Redwall series can be considered youth books and young adult books at the same time. The Redwall books have content to live up to both ratings.

Quote from: Ungatt Trunn on November 18, 2013, 02:22:08 AM

Quote from: Romsca on November 18, 2013, 02:20:18 AM
Really? At the library at the high school I went to last year, they had all of them. Then again, the librarian said no one ever checked them out. :-\ At my local library, however, the Redwall books are considered young adult books

The Redwall series can be considered youth books and young adult books at the same time. The Redwall books have content to live up to both ratings.

Yep. In fact, the library in my town has some of them in the young readers section and the rest in the teen lit section. And I've been in some Barnes & Nobles stores where most of the series in the general fiction area (with only the first book in the kid's)

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Quote from: Romsca on November 18, 2013, 02:20:18 AM
Really? At the library at the high school I went to last year, they had all of them. Then again, the librarian said no one ever checked them out. :-\ At my local library, however, the Redwall books are considered young adult books

The Redwall series can be considered youth books and young adult books at the same time. The Redwall books have content to live up to both ratings.

Yep. In fact, the library in my town has some of them in the young readers section and the rest in the teen lit section. And I've been in some Barnes & Nobles stores where most of the series in the general fiction area (with only the first book in the kid's)

Wait, why do they have the Redwall books split through different catagories?

Because there are people from both groups who will read the books

Good point about the fact the cartoons also make the series seem very childish!

The books tended to come under 'young adults' over here, I think. Not properly seem them in the bookstores for a while, mind.

Quote from: Romsca on November 18, 2013, 03:26:31 PM
Because there are people from both groups who will read the books

Makes sense...

Quote from: Romsca on November 18, 2013, 02:20:18 AM
At my local library, however, the Redwall books are considered young adult books

My library considers them teen books too.

...Most cartoons today are, yes, kinda silly in general. I wouldn't say there's any kind of moral lesson in almost any kid's cartoons... Not that there has to be. But also, a lot of it just seems cheesy. Like, Looney Tunes is awesome. The one exception I'm familiar with would be the Avatar series- Not blue people, bending. I quite like the mix of deep things and absurdly silly things. The second series is a little more dark, and I think teen-oriented... :P

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Quote from: Romsca on November 18, 2013, 02:20:18 AM
At my local library, however, the Redwall books are considered young adult books

My library considers them teen books too.

That's kindof how I got started on the Redwall series, myself. In 4th grade, one day when my class went to our school's library, the librarian sat us down at the beginning of the session and said that there was this "Young Adult" genre where the books had more mature content than the rest of the stuff in the library; if we wanted to explore those books, we could go ahead.

And I believe that's when I found Outcast of Redwall. And from there, well...

I thinks it's ( the redwall tv series) is great for little kids like 5&6 years old who r just starting reading! But I think the series is VERY cheesey and NOT true to the books!!! But I'm glad they made it! ( for little kids!)

Quote from: Firetail on November 26, 2013, 07:51:11 PM
I thinks it's ( the redwall tv series) is great for little kids like 5&6 years old who r just starting reading! But I think the series is VERY cheesey and NOT true to the books!!! But I'm glad they made it! ( for little kids!)

I'm a teen and I think it's pretty good. Except for Skalrag's tickle torture, and those episodes they added that weren't in the books.

Quote from: Jukka the Sling on December 05, 2013, 06:50:35 PM

Quote from: Firetail on November 26, 2013, 07:51:11 PM
I thinks it's ( the redwall tv series) is great for little kids like 5&6 years old who r just starting reading! But I think the series is VERY cheesey and NOT true to the books!!! But I'm glad they made it! ( for little kids!)

Except for Skalrag's tickle torture, and those episodes they added that weren't in the books.

That only happened in the adption of Redwall (book).

Quote from: Ungatt Trunn on December 05, 2013, 09:08:51 PM

Quote from: Jukka the Sling on December 05, 2013, 06:50:35 PM

Quote from: Firetail on November 26, 2013, 07:51:11 PM
I thinks it's ( the redwall tv series) is great for little kids like 5&6 years old who r just starting reading! But I think the series is VERY cheesey and NOT true to the books!!! But I'm glad they made it! ( for little kids!)

Except for Skalrag's tickle torture, and those episodes they added that weren't in the books.

That only happened in the adption of Redwall (book).

I know.

they probably ran out of money, which stinks. I really was good

Quote from: Lord Stonepaw on January 28, 2014, 09:07:06 PM
they probably ran out of money, which stinks. I really was good

I think it was more that they didn't have enough money to continue it.

Quote from: Ungatt Trunn on January 28, 2014, 09:15:46 PM

Quote from: Lord Stonepaw on January 28, 2014, 09:07:06 PM
they probably ran out of money, which stinks. I really was good

I think it was more that they didn't have enough money to continue it.

I think that is what he is saying.

Quote from: winifred on November 22, 2011, 05:01:40 PM
I always wondered where you could by it.Wish more people knew about redwall,I was at the beach once and instead of making a sand castle I made a 3-d map of mossflower,redwall,etc. some boy walked by saw it and asked me if it was redwall I said yes and he ran and got his dad and showed it to him.He was telling his dad all about redwall abbey.I left it there I hope more people saw it! :)

That's really awesome ^-^

Anyway, to answer the question in the original post...someone might have already said this before but I'm too lazy to check all seven pages, but I remember reading somewhere that nobody was willing to put up the money for a fourth season.  Rather disappointing, honesly :(

I don't know if I have mentioned this on here before or not, but what really dooms or handicaps a Redwall t.v. series or movie is target audience. If you made a Redwall t.v. series or movie that was exactly like the book, given the amount of violence and gore it would at a bare minimum be PG14 or 14A and to pull that kind of rating off it would probably have to tone down on the violence a bit. I could also see a Redwall t.v. series or movie, following the books to the T, being rated R or AO. But adults and teens are not going to watch an adventure movie which revolves around talking animals.

Now creating a kid's t.v. series or movie is problematic because even the extremely watered down violence depicted on original t.v. series would probably not be allowed to air due to concerns of excessive violence. There is only some much you can dilute the series before it would lost the spirit Jacques' writing.

It might've been because lots of people thought it wasn't serious enough

Quote from: Jack the Quick on May 16, 2019, 03:10:31 AM
It might've been because lots of people thought it wasn't serious enough

That wouldn't make too much sense, since the target audience of the series was very clear (younger children). Demographically the show's "lack of seriousness" would make sense. I feel the show's cancellation had more to do with the commercial side of things...

The concept was good, but it obviously did not have the same target audience as the books. Ie, in the books, gulo the savage ATE some young hares alive!, while the tv show did not show a single death.

Quote from: Grond on September 10, 2018, 05:37:53 AM
I don't know if I have mentioned this on here before or not, but what really dooms or handicaps a Redwall t.v. series or movie is target audience. If you made a Redwall t.v. series or movie that was exactly like the book, given the amount of violence and gore it would at a bare minimum be PG14 or 14A and to pull that kind of rating off it would probably have to tone down on the violence a bit. I could also see a Redwall t.v. series or movie, following the books to the T, being rated R or AO. But adults and teens are not going to watch an adventure movie which revolves around talking animals.

Now creating a kid's t.v. series or movie is problematic because even the extremely watered down violence depicted on original t.v. series would probably not be allowed to air due to concerns of excessive violence. There is only some much you can dilute the series before it would lost the spirit Jacques' writing.

Well, they could've made it similar to watership down, and just take the really bad stuff out

Quote from: Captain Tammo on November 17, 2011, 02:21:42 AM
I thought it wasn't because of funding, but because they just didn't want to or for some other reason stopped. But as far as I know funding wasn't a problem

They really wanted to make another season. And it says on wikipedia that it was a funding problem.