LINKS:
Day 1 Start- http://redwallabbey.com/forum/index.php?topic=10989.msg672205#msg672205
Hey everyone. I like to play TWG (the werewolf game) pretty much wherever I can find it, and your community sent a representative to the Mafia Championships so I assumed there was some kind of presence here. I guess while that isn't
entirely the case I'd still like to try hosting a game and see if anyone is interested.
The Basic RulesThe rules of forum mafia are pretty simple. The roles are randomly handed out before the game starts, and there will typically be two factions: Wolves/Mafia, and Humans/Villagers. Terminology is pretty loose and I even tend to flip between different nomenclature when playing. The goal of the game for Werewolves is to survive until the number of Wolves is equal to the number of Humans. The goal for Humans, naturally, is to eliminate all Werewolves before this happens.
The game is played in Day/Night cycles, both of which last a certain period of time (let's say, 48 hour days and 24 hour nights). During the day, Humans will try investigating and interacting with each other to figure out who among them is actually a Werewolf in disguise. Each day, players vote for people to indicate suspicion, most likely on this forum by
bolding a player's username. At the end of the day, the player with the most votes is lynched and is no longer in the game. Each night, Werewolves choose a player to kill, and anyone with a night action (usually referred to as a Power Role) can use that as well. Power Roles can do anything from save a player's life to telling you what another player's role is.
So that's pretty much it. The rules are indeed simple, but there's a lot of strategy and nuance that goes into the game, and it's suuuuuuper addicting. With that said,
anyone who is interested in learning how to play, or anyone who knows how to play and wants to help learn, please sign up here!I think I'll make a quick little nine player setup here:
Setup
The Wolf of Redwall Abbey
Werewolf faction:
1. Asmodeus: One-Shot Lynchproof Vest(If the player would be lynched, instead their vest is removed)
2. Slagar the Cruel: One-Shot Strongman (Once per game, may use this power to prevent the factional kill from being stopped)
Human faction:
3. Pasque Valerian: Doctor (Once each night, may PM the host with a player's name to prevent that player from dying in the same night)
4. Lord Brocktree: Day 1, 2 Charismatic Human (This player's votes count as two rather than one on Days 1 and 2)
5. Guosim Shrew: A vanilla human (shrew?) with no special powers.
6. Guosim Shrew: A vanilla human (shrew?) with no special powers.
7. Guosim Shrew: A vanilla human (shrew?) with no special powers.
8. Guosim Shrew: A vanilla human (shrew?) with no special powers.
9. Guosim Shrew: A vanilla human (shrew?) with no special powers.
1. Tungro
2. Cornflower MM
3. The Grey Coincidence
4. Ouroboros
5. NADAZ, VOICE OF THE HOST AND REDWALL CHAMPION
6. Jetthebinturong
7. Soneji
8. ShyYoshiGuy
9. Jack the Quick
And if I'm being dumb and should be ashamed, please let me know ahead of time. Thanks
So I am not entirely sure how this works, but it sounds fun and I would join
As I noted before, I'm in!
I'm in
I'll sign up on the condition that this is a more traditionalist style game (as I assume it is due to you not originating from this specific forum). What I mean is that players must find out everything by themselves and through discussion, not from arbitrary clues provided by the person running the game (which feels like a cop-out, especially when they are completely misleading). When I last played here, 95% of people who were voted out were only done so because the game's organizer basically told everyone "this guy did it," even when said person was just a regular town player.
Quote from: Ouroboros on May 15, 2019, 07:35:28 AM
I'll sign up on the condition that this is a more traditionalist style game (as I assume it is due to you not originating from this specific forum). What I mean is that players must find out everything by themselves and through discussion, not from arbitrary clues provided by the person running the game (which feels like a cop-out, especially when they are completely misleading). When I last played here, 95% of people who were voted out were only done so because the game's organizer basically told everyone "this guy did it," even when said person was just a regular town player.
I know some places like to hide information in flavor; that's why the only named roles flavorwise are also unique rolewise, so nothing like that should make a difference. All that exists is mechanics.
Lovely. Sign me up.
I will play!
im in let's do this 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Learning that one of my favorite series as a teenager had a forum active enough to send a mafia champion is the best part of the event this year for me.
I'll join.
Hello Soneji
I'm in.
Am I going crazy, or did 4 members join just to play a game?
On a side note, I'm thinking about withdrawing. I want to play a calm chill game with friends and now I don't know four of you, plus I've read some of the MU games and been in the Discord spectator chat. Y'all are way above my skill level (and I suspect the skill level of most of us here) and I'm just not sure it'll be very fun at all. I haven't made up my mind yet though.
I'll join. Also, will we be playing more than one game so that if you're lynched you can still play later?
Quote from: Jack the Quick on May 27, 2019, 10:48:28 PM
I'll join. Also, will we be playing more than one game so that if you're lynched you can still play later?
I'd like to be able to make games a consistent thing, if there's enough interest.
Quote from: Cornflower MM on May 27, 2019, 08:18:34 PM
Am I going crazy, or did 4 members join just to play a game?
On a side note, I'm thinking about withdrawing. I want to play a calm chill game with friends and now I don't know four of you, plus I've read some of the MU games and been in the Discord spectator chat. Y'all are way above my skill level (and I suspect the skill level of most of us here) and I'm just not sure it'll be very fun at all. I haven't made up my mind yet though.
Here's the thing about this:
first of all, TWG is a great way to make new friends and welcome new people to your community, like me! I read all the redwall books as a kid/young adult so you can expect me to stick around.
Secondly, as the host I won't be able to help newer players too terribly much without compromising game integrity. Having more experienced players like FG, Soneji, and NADAZ who understand it's a game for beginners means they can help out everyone who wants to learn. They will also help drive activity up.
Thirdly, Shy is a friend of mine from NSM forums who is still new to TWG, but already has a grasp of the essentials. You can sort of look to him as an example of where you can expect to improve immediately by seeing what he does differently from you.
Ultimately if you decide to
out it's up to you, but I think the current roster is just about perfect for learning to play.
EDIT: including cornflower we've reached 9 players!
Great! When do we start?
We come in peace. I can play a chill game and am a low poster by nature so don't worry about any sort of skill gap or competitive focus on my end :)
Let me know if you want the game pinned up once it's started. This looks like it'll be fun to watch!
That would probably help people return to it in absence of a separate board!
For now I'm just waiting to hear from corn flower again.
I'm excited for this to start!
sorry guys
/out
might in later
Eh why not. I'm in.
Also if no one objects, I'd like to host the game after this one. If anyone from Mafia's original hayday on this site is reading, they'd know that I hosted once before, but failed to finish the game. I promise that won't happen this time.
Sounds great!
Quote from: Jetthebinturong on June 04, 2019, 03:21:26 PM
Eh why not. I'm in.
Also if no one objects, I'd like to host the game after this one. If anyone from Mafia's original hayday on this site is reading, they'd know that I hosted once before, but failed to finish the game. I promise that won't happen this time.
Still waiting on cornflower to confirm their status :x
@Cornflower MM are you playing or not?
Does anyone else want to join as Corn's backup?
We've never bothered with back ups before, I don't see why we would start now.
Either way, it doesn't matter, because even though none of my concerns have really been addressed, I'm in. Would have mentioned it sooner but I've had a busy few weeks.
I am interested in joining too :)
Alright then, can we start?
Are we doing it on this topic or a different one?
Im ready!!!!
Ready!
Aye.
Ready and waiting
Ready
mmhmm
Quote from: ShyYoshiGuy on June 10, 2019, 07:24:23 PM
Are we doing it on this topic or a different one?
I think we are going to play on a different topic?
@abbey account
Excellent! Sorry for not checking in sooner, I was beginning to lose hope.
@Rosie Willowwater we'll have you as a replacement if needed. I'm going to roll the game tomorrow night and day 1 can go from Wednesday night to Friday night.
well we'll just run this game in this thread to make it easier but if we run future games we should probably put them in new threads :)
It is now Pregame. The roles are being randomized and handed out. Please don't post during this time. Day 1 will begin after all roles are sent.
Day 1 Beginssetup
The Wolf of Redwall Abbey
Werewolf faction:
1. Asmodeus: One-Shot Lynchproof Vest(If the player would be lynched, instead their vest is removed)
2. Slagar the Cruel: One-Shot Strongman (Once per game, may use this power to prevent the factional kill from being stopped)
Human faction:
3. Pasque Valerian: Doctor (Once each night, may PM the host with a player's name to prevent that player from dying in the same night)
4. Lord Brocktree: Day 1, 2 Charismatic Human (This player's votes count as two rather than one on Days 1 and 2)
5. Guosim Shrew: A vanilla human (shrew?) with no special powers.
6. Guosim Shrew: A vanilla human (shrew?) with no special powers.
7. Guosim Shrew: A vanilla human (shrew?) with no special powers.
8. Guosim Shrew: A vanilla human (shrew?) with no special powers.
9. Guosim Shrew: A vanilla human (shrew?) with no special powers.
1. Tungro
2. Cornflower MM
3. The Grey Coincidence
4. Ouroboros
5. NADAZ, VOICE OF THE HOST AND REDWALL CHAMPION
6. Jetthebinturong
7. Soneji
8. ShyYoshiGuy
9. Jack the Quick
Role PMs have been sent out and it is now Day 1. Day 1 ends in 48 hours, on Friday, June 14, at 1:00 AM Central. Remember, do not discuss the contents of your role PM- they are all identical in format anyway. If you have any questions, message me privately.
Wait, we're doing it on this thread?
Apparently so, who do we want to lynch?
We must interact
Are you village?
Hehehe. I vote Tungro to be lynched
You should do something like:
Vote Tungro
Also why?
Unvote Tungro
Sorry I am late (still won't be completely back until Monday though)
What did I miss?
Everyone (one person) wants to lynch you
So it works kind of like this?
I vote we lynch Jack because he was the first to accuse and he had no reason
I have a reason, though it doesn't make much sense. Maybe abbey gave us our job based off of our number on his setup.
Aw is there no story?
Why are people already trying to lynch? There's no reason to start doing so without evidence, and if you start voting this early, it seems incredibly likely that we'll vote out an innocent.
Quote from: Jack the Quick on June 13, 2019, 05:48:18 PM
I have a reason, though it doesn't make much sense. Maybe abbey gave us our job based off of our number on his setup.
That's a bit... obvious? I would imagine he used a random generator to assign roles. That's what I would do, in any case.
Never mind. I unvote!
Confirmation of role received.
Quote from: Jetthebinturong on June 13, 2019, 10:01:25 PM
Why are people already trying to lynch? There's no reason to start doing so without evidence, and if you start voting this early, it seems incredibly likely that we'll vote out an innocent.
Yeah, it's kinda hard to get any reasonable claim at the beginning of the game. I mean, sometimes you can tell based on how people act, but it's always... pointless and random.
Hmmm, so we pretty much just vote randomly?
Also, if we get lynched do we have to wait for next round before we can play again?
Quote from: Jack the Quick on June 13, 2019, 05:48:18 PM
I have a reason, though it doesn't make much sense. Maybe abbey gave us our job based off of our number on his setup.
if that's true which I doubt we should try to flip corn since she is less likely to be helpful to us if she flips town.
Quote from: Jack the Quick on June 13, 2019, 10:32:02 PM
Hmmm, so we pretty much just vote randomly?
Also, if we get lynched do we have to wait for next round before we can play again?
we could vote for no lynch but that would give the mafia one free kill basically. And yes if you die you have to wait till the next game to play.
Alright then, time to interact. Everyone say something!
Grumblegrumblegrumbleangrygrumble
It's worth noting I'm going to be extremely busy the remainder of this week and possibly next week, I don't know for sure yet.
I also agree with Jet.
Strange. I've never played with a lynching on the first day before. There's basically no non-subjective evidence (granted, there rarely ever is, but the only things we have to go on today is our pre-existing thoughts on each other), so the chances of killing a mafia member is only 11% if we vote randomly. I say that we give them their kill tonight and try to start piecing things together based on that, rather than take an unnecessary risk and end up 5-2 by the second day.
How would we start piecing together things after the kill tho?
Quote from: ShyYoshiGuy on June 13, 2019, 10:29:53 PM
Confirmation of role received.
Quote from: Jetthebinturong on June 13, 2019, 10:01:25 PM
Why are people already trying to lynch? There's no reason to start doing so without evidence, and if you start voting this early, it seems incredibly likely that we'll vote out an innocent.
Yeah, it's kinda hard to get any reasonable claim at the beginning of the game. I mean, sometimes you can tell based on how people act, but it's always... pointless and random.
You acknowledge that it's possible to get an accurate read even this early, then dismiss that as being pointless and random. The whole purpose of the game is to find who the scum are through analysis, of which behavioral analysis is always on the table. It's far from pointless, it's in fact our greatest tool and the best at it have a greater than random chance of finding scum with it.
I don't really know how you guys do voting so I will try it this way :
Vote : ShyYoshiGuy
Quote from: Soneji on June 14, 2019, 04:35:53 AM
Quote from: ShyYoshiGuy on June 13, 2019, 10:29:53 PM
Confirmation of role received.
Quote from: Jetthebinturong on June 13, 2019, 10:01:25 PM
Why are people already trying to lynch? There's no reason to start doing so without evidence, and if you start voting this early, it seems incredibly likely that we'll vote out an innocent.
Yeah, it's kinda hard to get any reasonable claim at the beginning of the game. I mean, sometimes you can tell based on how people act, but it's always... pointless and random.
You acknowledge that it's possible to get an accurate read even this early, then dismiss that as being pointless and random. The whole purpose of the game is to find who the scum are through analysis, of which behavioral analysis is always on the table. It's far from pointless, it's in fact our greatest tool and the best at it have a greater than random chance of finding scum with it.
I don't really know how you guys do voting so I will try it this way :
Vote : ShyYoshiGuy
Don't quite get how that's wolfy (mafia-ey? whatever), but ok. I meant at the
very beginning when no has died yet, it's pointless. Seeing who died and comparing it to the previous discussion is useful, but lynching random people at the beginning like this is the pointless part. It seems like you're making something out of nothing here,
I vote Soneji.
Er- who should I vote for\?
To say all was quiet in the Mossflower Wood was an understatement. Never had such unsettling stillness settled over the region as it did now. Even the flora seemed to be waiting, as if holding its breath for something inevitable. Hidden in the undergrowth, a small patrol of Guosim shrews adopted the silence, watching nervously. One of them opened her mouth, as if to speak, then thought better of it.
As if on request, a murmur of wind slowly cadenced to life, steadily rising into a strong, but not fierce, south wind. Proud willow trees leaned with the might of the wind, guiding the shrews' eyes toward the north. There, in the sky, a light shone fiercer than any star. The stunned Guosim patrol could do nothing but stare as the light morphed into a beacon. Then, just as suddenly as the wind arose, it stopped and all was once again quiet in the Mossflower Wood.
Quote from: ShyYoshiGuy on June 14, 2019, 04:46:33 AM
Quote from: Soneji on June 14, 2019, 04:35:53 AM
Quote from: ShyYoshiGuy on June 13, 2019, 10:29:53 PM
Confirmation of role received.
Quote from: Jetthebinturong on June 13, 2019, 10:01:25 PM
Why are people already trying to lynch? There's no reason to start doing so without evidence, and if you start voting this early, it seems incredibly likely that we'll vote out an innocent.
Yeah, it's kinda hard to get any reasonable claim at the beginning of the game. I mean, sometimes you can tell based on how people act, but it's always... pointless and random.
You acknowledge that it's possible to get an accurate read even this early, then dismiss that as being pointless and random. The whole purpose of the game is to find who the scum are through analysis, of which behavioral analysis is always on the table. It's far from pointless, it's in fact our greatest tool and the best at it have a greater than random chance of finding scum with it.
I don't really know how you guys do voting so I will try it this way :
Vote : ShyYoshiGuy
Don't quite get how that's wolfy (mafia-ey? whatever), but ok. I meant at the very beginning when no has died yet, it's pointless. Seeing who died and comparing it to the previous discussion is useful, but lynching random people at the beginning like this is the pointless part. It seems like you're making something out of nothing here, I vote Soneji.
It's not making something out of nothing, considering those who promote d1 as useless are above rand to be mafia, but that's the whole thing with d1. By necessity you start off having to reach some, but that then generates further discussion which can be used to make even better reads later that day and gives content for future days. You here mention using the night kill in combination with the prior discussion is useful, but that only works if there is some meat to that discussion. Night kill analysis in general is unreliable, but even more so if everyone the prior day is just content to no lynch and see who dies. Then you just end up with the same situation as the prior day, with one less townie and only a slightly higher chance you hit mafia at total random.
Quote from: Soneji on June 14, 2019, 06:55:18 AMYou here mention using the night kill in combination with the prior discussion is useful, but that only works if there is some meat to that discussion. Night kill analysis in general is unreliable, but even more so if everyone the prior day is just content to no lynch and see who dies. Then you just end up with the same situation as the prior day, with one less townie and only a slightly higher chance you hit mafia at total random.
Except, as I said, we only have an 11% of killing a mafia member today if we vote at random (which we have to do, since there is literally zero possible information. The best we can get out of a day one kill scenario is possibly narrowing down the list of possible mafia members to those who vote out a town member, which (due to the lack of evidence) is going to be completely arbitrary anyway. Is it really worth losing 28% of the town members on the first day just to have the slimmest of clues (that being "5 of the living 7 people voted out a townie therefore the mafia are likely to be in that group")?
Quote from: Ouroboros on June 14, 2019, 08:56:35 AM
Quote from: Soneji on June 14, 2019, 06:55:18 AMYou here mention using the night kill in combination with the prior discussion is useful, but that only works if there is some meat to that discussion. Night kill analysis in general is unreliable, but even more so if everyone the prior day is just content to no lynch and see who dies. Then you just end up with the same situation as the prior day, with one less townie and only a slightly higher chance you hit mafia at total random.
Except, as I said, we only have an 11% of killing a mafia member today if we vote at random (which we have to do, since there is literally zero possible information. The best we can get out of a day one kill scenario is possibly narrowing down the list of possible mafia members to those who vote out a town member, which (due to the lack of evidence) is going to be completely arbitrary anyway. Is it really worth losing 28% of the town members on the first day just to have the slimmest of clues (that being "5 of the living 7 people voted out a townie therefore the mafia are likely to be in that group")?
Vote tracking is only one method by which to catch scum, and if by evidence you're talking about mechanics like a cop investigation you shouldn't be relying on that anyways. Mafia is not a game of facts, nor is it a game of numbers. Both are useful tools but are not the core of the game. It is always worth having more meaningful, alignment indicative discussion and you don't get much better than lynch pushes.
If we go by numbers anyway, no lynching now doesn't change much in the grand scheme of things. You sacrifice the vote tracking/behavior reads you get from an extra lynch to instead get the greater WIFOM of another night kill, assuming town no lynches again in final four if they haven't lynched a mafia by then(this is assuming this game is normal ratio of 7v2 for nine players).
Mossflower sounds fun!
Quote from: Ouroboros on June 14, 2019, 03:12:53 AM
Strange. I've never played with a lynching on the first day before. There's basically no non-subjective evidence (granted, there rarely ever is, but the only things we have to go on today is our pre-existing thoughts on each other), so the chances of killing a mafia member is only 11% if we vote randomly. I say that we give them their kill tonight and try to start piecing things together based on that, rather than take an unnecessary risk and end up 5-2 by the second day.
I think I agree?
I have never been so confused.
Quote from: Jack the Quick on June 14, 2019, 02:56:13 PM
Quote from: Ouroboros on June 14, 2019, 03:12:53 AM
Strange. I've never played with a lynching on the first day before. There's basically no non-subjective evidence (granted, there rarely ever is, but the only things we have to go on today is our pre-existing thoughts on each other), so the chances of killing a mafia member is only 11% if we vote randomly. I say that we give them their kill tonight and try to start piecing things together based on that, rather than take an unnecessary risk and end up 5-2 by the second day.
I think I agree?
I have never been so confused.
Same :P
This is sure to be an interesting game, if nothing else.
I'm leaning towards a shy or ouro lynch. What are your thoughts Grey and Jack?
You are being very quick to lynch, and not giving any reasons why. Care to explain your thoughts?
Also, why are you asking Grey and Jack?
Ouroboros is definitely being a little suspicious with his 'Don't lynch anyone'. I'm not sure about Shy, though he seems like he's leaning towards the same direction as Ouroboros.
I voted him because I found it mafia-ey he vote me for one thing I said that I still don't understand had any bearings for me being town or wolf.
You voted?
So where do we vote?
Quote from: Jack the Quick on June 14, 2019, 10:41:01 PM
You voted?
Yeah, I voted. On the other forums, you just kinda vote by bolding a name.
Who did you vote for?
@abbey account can you make a post were you say who's been voted to be lynched?
Anyway, who says vote Ouroboros?
Quote from: ShyYoshiGuy on June 14, 2019, 04:46:33 AM
Quote from: Soneji on June 14, 2019, 04:35:53 AM
Quote from: ShyYoshiGuy on June 13, 2019, 10:29:53 PM
Confirmation of role received.
Quote from: Jetthebinturong on June 13, 2019, 10:01:25 PM
Why are people already trying to lynch? There's no reason to start doing so without evidence, and if you start voting this early, it seems incredibly likely that we'll vote out an innocent.
Yeah, it's kinda hard to get any reasonable claim at the beginning of the game. I mean, sometimes you can tell based on how people act, but it's always... pointless and random.
You acknowledge that it's possible to get an accurate read even this early, then dismiss that as being pointless and random. The whole purpose of the game is to find who the scum are through analysis, of which behavioral analysis is always on the table. It's far from pointless, it's in fact our greatest tool and the best at it have a greater than random chance of finding scum with it.
I don't really know how you guys do voting so I will try it this way :
Vote : ShyYoshiGuy
Don't quite get how that's wolfy (mafia-ey? whatever), but ok. I meant at the very beginning when no has died yet, it's pointless. Seeing who died and comparing it to the previous discussion is useful, but lynching random people at the beginning like this is the pointless part. It seems like you're making something out of nothing here, I vote Soneji.
I voted Soneji
I find it a bit suspicious that Yoshi would immediately vote for Soneji after being voted for. Retaliation votes tend to be pretty pointless and a pretty mafia move. At the moment I'm suspecting Yoshi, but I'll withhold my vote for now.
Alright, so I think right now our prime candidates are Shy and Ourob.
Jet gives very sound advice in an eloquent way...
And then my overthinking makes me think hes a mafioso manipulating me...
Who to vote against?
I had a late night sorry
Phase will be ending tomorrow
Vote count:
Shy - 1
(Soneji, )
Soneji - 1
(ShyYoshiGuy, )
Hmmm
Eenie Meanie Miney Mo it is...
Hm, well if we've only got one more day to vote, then I vote ShyYoshiGuy.
*Is pulling at his ears* Who do I vote for?
I'm ending phase in a bit under an hour at midnight CST and I'll make that the consistent EOD for all phases if everyone is okay with that.
Vote count:
Shy - 2
(Soneji, Jetthebinturong)
Soneji - 1
(ShyYoshiGuy, )
... To lynch or not to lynch... that is the question...
Quote from: Jetthebinturong on June 15, 2019, 03:32:55 AM
I find it a bit suspicious that Yoshi would immediately vote for Soneji after being voted for. Retaliation votes tend to be pretty pointless and a pretty mafia move. At the moment I'm suspecting Yoshi, but I'll withhold my vote for now.
I guess it was kinda a retaliation vote, but I was only voting because they seemed wolfey to me, not because they voted me. The first vote in the game just happened to had been against me.
ShyYoshiGuy has died. He was Guosim Shrew. It is now Night 1. Night 1 ends in 24 hours, at midnight CST on Sunday, June 16.
Short phase.
I didn't know when the phase was ending and just now checked the forum. Here was my thoughts if anyone cares to read them since I was just ninja'ed
I'm voting Grey. (If I end up posting before the GM) He's been extremely indecisive and appears to be just posting for the sake of it and hasn't contributed anything at all. He's either clueless or trying really hard to appear clueless, and while it would be very consistent with his normal posting behaviors for the former I'm gonna vote him anyway.
Coz you're not allowed to be clueless on your first game... So er- what happens now?
I'll be going for Corn but I'll probably be night killed.
Unless you is the killer...
Quick question- do killers know who each other is? Like... can they accidentally kill each other?
Quote from: The Grey Coincidence on June 16, 2019, 02:48:52 PM
Unless you is the killer...
Quick question- do killers know who each other is? Like... can they accidentally kill each other?
I was wondering about that to.
I think I'll
VOTE OUROBOROS
I think I'll VOTE CORNFLOWER
She seems to hastily accusing everyone else as if an attempt to not be accused herself
Yes, the Mafia know who the other Mafia are. Since we've entered the Night phase, no votes are counted. We wait until the end of this phase to do anything else. I just posted my vote because I wanted to get my thoughts out there since I didn't get the warning that the phase was going to end in an hour.
Quote from: The Grey Coincidence on June 16, 2019, 02:48:52 PM
Unless you is the killer...
Quick question- do killers know who each other is? Like... can they accidentally kill each other?
In all the games I've played the mafias coordinate together.
Remember to send in night actions to me via forum PM!
I would like to point out that Ouroboros lives in Australia, so you should probably keep the day phase open one more day than you want to, in future.
I completely missed the first day, I didn't even realize it was over until it was.
*Wakes up*
Quote from: abbey account on June 16, 2019, 06:03:06 AM
ShyYoshiGuy has died. He was Guosim Shrew. It is now Night 1. Night 1 ends in 24 hours, at midnight CST on Sunday, June 16.
Don't say I didn't warn you. :P Although, granted, he did kind of bring it on himself by acting suspicious on the first day. While that tends to attract the ire of the townsfolk (since they have literally nothing else to go off), I think we should probably remember that some mafia members, particularly the newer players, mainly just kept their heads down the whole game and barely said anything. So personally, I'd be more willing to scrutinize someone who has barely said a word today, and continues to be silent tomorrow. Unless someone actually does something incriminating in the next day phase (like killing someone they voted for, or saying something that a mafia member is more likely to say), I propose we try and either get the less-involved players to start talking so we can judge how suspicious they are, or perhaps get a detective to start looking into them? After all, if they rarely say anything at all, it's quite difficult to ascertain any thoughts as to what their roles may be. Anyway, just some food for thought.
*Goes back to sleep*
In the night...
The Grey Coincidence has died. He was Lord Brocktree and a member of the human team.
It is now Day 2. Day 2 ends in 72 hours, at midnight CST on Wednesday, June 19. Remember, dead players may not communicate with living players in any way. If you have questions about anything, just ask me privately.
Wait, Grey was killed?
Evidently. I would've said "The Grey Coincidence was killed by the mafia" rather than "has died" personally.
I still think...
VOTE OUROBOROS
You've been pushing and pushing Ouro but you've given no reasons for us to vote for him or explained your thoughts. Would you mind doing so? If we keep voting without explaining we're going to go nowhere.
Quote from: Jack the Quick on June 14, 2019, 10:37:17 PM
Ouroboros is definitely being a little suspicious with his 'Don't lynch anyone'. I'm not sure about Shy, though he seems like he's leaning towards the same direction as Ouroboros.
Excuse me?
"Don't lynch anyone" if I recall correctly wasn't so very unpopular in D1. Everyone was adjusting to the game and mentioning how they normally play.
Ok so I shouldn't vote him? Are you saying that's a bad reason? Because if you are, I'm hope you'll tell me 'cause I've never played this before.
Everyone acts like not lynching anyone on day 1 is somehow a bad thing, but doing so got us nowhere closer to figuring out who the mafia are. And might I add, because of that extra death, if we don't kill one of them today, we basically lose. It's a little hard to get an exact figure because of how these roles work (one of them survives a lynching), but if we don't get any today or tomorrow, we lose, and if we get one tomorrow but not today, the odds are still in the mafia's favour.
Anyway, I'm still trying to think of who to vote for here, as its pretty important we get the right one. As such, I think I'll sit back for a little bit and try to see if anyone else has some sort of good argument.
UNVOTE OUROBOROS
I think nadaz, based on his unwillingness to attract attention to himself.
Remember, day ends tonight at midnight CST. Future games should utilize discord for OOTC, I think
Come on guys, vote!
I still vote CORNFLOWER
Alright, i think I agree with your reasons.
VOTE CORNFLOWER
Quote from: Jack the Quick on June 18, 2019, 02:09:05 AM
Ok so I shouldn't vote him? Are you saying that's a bad reason? Because if you are, I'm hope you'll tell me 'cause I've never played this before.
I'm not saying don't vote him, I'm just asking why you want to vote him.
Quote from: Tungro on June 20, 2019, 12:24:09 PM
I still vote CORNFLOWER
Quote from: Jack the Quick on June 20, 2019, 10:30:01 PM
Alright, i think I agree with your reasons.
VOTE CORNFLOWER
WHAT REASONS? Oh my
Lord this is one of the most unproductive Mafia games I have ever played. Throwing votes around without any backing is just asking for a Mafia win.
I have no idea who to vote for, because no one's giving me anything to work with.
*shrugs*
He did say his reasons, actually.
Quote from: Tungro on June 16, 2019, 05:54:43 PM
I think I'll VOTE CORNFLOWER
She seems to hastily accusing everyone else as if an attempt to not be accused herself
This one? The one that's very basic? I wasn't aware that "everyone" was one person, and the half-paragraph is totally hasty. Yeah.
Either way, that's still yet another vote that barely scrapes the surface and isn't giving anyone anything to get a good read from.
I will give him kudos for trying, at least. Seeing as this was from . . . Two pages ago? Three? I just went looking and I don't even remember - Anyway, seeing as this is from D1 still, do you two have anything to add to this? Have you picked up any other suspicions? What are your general thoughts on other players?
I have no idea. I'm confused, I don't know what to do.
What are your thoughts on me? What are your thoughts on Ouro, Tungro, Jet, Nadaz, I don't even know who else is playing to be completely honest? What are the feels you're getting from us? Who do you think is town? Why? Who do you think is Mafia? Why? Anything in particular standing out to you?
Ourob seemed to go against a lynch, but he had solid reasons. You, were at one point hastily accusing. Nadaz hasn't said much, other than asking me if I was village.
The thing is, we have nothing to work off of and even if we did, we could never actually prove anything anyway.
VOTE CORNFLOWER
okay, phase is *actually* ending tonight, promise. Midnight cst. I just need yall to post more than 5 times in a week.
Quote from: Jack the Quick on June 21, 2019, 01:51:25 AM
Ourob seemed to go against a lynch, but he had solid reasons. You, were at one point hastily accusing. Nadaz hasn't said much, other than asking me if I was village.
No I wasn't, I had my reasons that I said were shaky and that I laid out in detail. I knew it was too late and my vote probably wouldn't have counted anyway. I was curious to see what Grey would do. "Hastily" implies that I made a random decision and/or jumped on a bandwagon. Which I did not do.
It seems I'm dying today, which is a bit of a shame. Oh well. Good luck, fellow Town. I'll be following the rest of the game.
Votecount:
2-Cornflower MM
(Jack the Quick, Tungro, )
Cornflower MM was lynched! They were Guosim Shrew. It is now Night 2. Night 2 ends in 24 hours, on Friday, June 22, at midnight CST.
This game is giving me migraines
Yeah, we need to lynch you.
Don't, that'll hurt you, if you're a shrew
Or I could be the PV. Soneji is laying low same with shy
Shy was lynched
remember to send any night actions you may have in
Will do!
*Knows who to vote next*
Who?
Also is it day yet?
No.
I'll start the next day tonight.
I vote Soneji
What are your reasons?
They're acting like they did the last time they were mafia, and because the mafia were late coming to a consensus on who to kill.
What do you mean, 'the last time they were Mafia'?
Quote from: abbey account on June 26, 2019, 04:10:26 AM
I'll start the next day tonight.
tonight for real promise real actual post
I thought this post was a dream- I've been sick lately haha
Quote from: Jack the Quick on June 28, 2019, 07:38:33 PM
What do you mean, 'the last time they were Mafia'?
When I played with them on mafia universe.
In the night...
Tungro has died. They were guosim shrew. It is now Day 3. Town must lynch correctly today. Day 3 ends in 48 hours at midnight CST, on July 1. Also I quit my job so expect a better host wow I am so sorry
Er- if you quit now should someone else be the host?
No- I quit my job irl so I can pay better attention to this game ie a better host.
Ohhhhhhhhhhhh, right. I see.
@Ouroboros thoughts on Jack and Soneji?
I am a villager. That is the truth.
I guess having a hard deadline is the wrong way to go about things.
Maybe reaching majority every day would be the best idea.
Alright, so I have a question for the rest of you. What exactly did abbey send to you? Fonts, words, everything.
I'm pretty sure that level of metagaming isn't allowed, because it breaks the game.
Also, I'm friends with Ouroboros on Discord, and he's out of town for a few days. He didn't say when he was coming back, but I expect that's why he hasn't been posting.
@Nadaz, voice of the host for what it's worth, I think it's Soneji. He's been quiet since the game started, pretty much, but tried to influence people early on.
Alright then, you guys seem to know what you're doing, and your reasons seem to make sense, but I won't vote yet. Any other ideas?
I agree with Jack on claiming roles, I don't see why you wouldn't want this. Soneji goes first, then Jet, then Jack, Ouro, and myself. PLEASE DO NOT GO OUT OF ORDER! If you do you will have my vote.
It should work, because you could lie. It wouldn't break the game.
Quote from: Jack the Quick on July 02, 2019, 11:01:38 PM
It should work, because you could lie. It wouldn't break the game.
Should work because I could lie? What do you mean?
Jack are you ready to post your pm? You can go first. Hello? I know you are watching this topic.
Since you're not posting I'm going to assume that you are mafia. Would you post your message if I post mine first so you can see if I am a mafiaso?
What? I'm confused. I was directing the it should work because you could lie at Jet, because he said it would break the game. Besides, you said that we had to do it in the order you said.
Yes go back to that order, however I was willing to have you go out of order but only while I was actively watching.
Quote from: Nadaz, voice of the host on July 02, 2019, 11:00:44 PM
I agree with Jack on claiming roles, I don't see why you wouldn't want this. Soneji goes first, then Jet, then Jack, Ouro, and myself. PLEASE DO NOT GO OUT OF ORDER! If you do you will have my vote.
...
what does this post mean?If you're talking about posting PMs, I think you should wait for Abbey to say that's allowed.
It means we must do what he says.
Quote from: Jetthebinturong on July 03, 2019, 12:47:22 AM
Quote from: Nadaz, voice of the host on July 02, 2019, 11:00:44 PM
I agree with Jack on claiming roles, I don't see why you wouldn't want this. Soneji goes first, then Jet, then Jack, Ouro, and myself. PLEASE DO NOT GO OUT OF ORDER! If you do you will have my vote.
... what does this post mean?
If you're talking about posting PMs, I think you should wait for Abbey to say that's allowed.
vote Jet
Suspicious...
If I was the DM, I wouldn't allow it, because it's metagaming. So I want Abbey to confirm it is allowed. If that makes me suspicious, so be it.
Also, consider this. Doing it in a specific order means literally anyone can just copy and paste what the previous innocent said. It proves nothing.
He put it in the order of his suspicions so that they wouldn't do that.
And yet there are still two mafia alive. So that only catches out Soneji if he's mafia. You, Ouroboros and Nadaz could still copy off me.
Quote from: Jack the Quick on July 03, 2019, 01:10:47 AM
He put it in the order of his suspicions so that they wouldn't do that.
This is true.
Quote from: Jetthebinturong on July 03, 2019, 01:08:04 AM
If I was the DM, I wouldn't allow it, because it's metagaming. So I want Abbey to confirm it is allowed. If that makes me suspicious, so be it.
Also, consider this. Doing it in a specific order means literally anyone can just copy and paste what the previous innocent said. It proves nothing.
on mafia universe we did this, abbey is from there as far as I know. By the way, mafia you can quick hammer Jet now and win.
Copy pasting role pm is super not allowed guys don't do it
Editing posts is also something you shouldn't do.
You can claim roles and information from the PM, you can't screencap it, copy and paste it, or quote anything from it verbatim
I'm a gousim shrew. Unvote Jet.
For what it's worth, if we are indeed trying to pick between Jack and Soneji, it's worth noting that Jack talks a lot more and has been trying to get rid of Soneji. If it were earlier in the game I would suggest voting for Soneji to determine their guilt, then dispose of Jack if Soneji is innocent. But we can't do that now. Too late. Either way, we have a 20% chance of voting out a Mafia member. Although, Jet does make a point about how Soneji was influential early on and has now quieted down, which could either be that he's a Mafia member who is letting us focus on killing each other now that it's very suspicious to say anything, or it could just be that like me, he's been busy recently. No idea. I'd at least want
@Soneji to say something today before I vote for them over Jack, however.
I'm just confused. This whole game I've had no idea who to vote for!
So what roles are everyone?
I'm a Guosim Shrew.
Also a Guosim Shrew.
Quote from: Jack the Quick on July 04, 2019, 10:15:55 PM
I'm a Guosim Shrew.
We should still have a doctor, right?
... What are you, exactly, Ouro?
(Yes, we should)
Quote from: Ouroboros on July 05, 2019, 11:34:51 AM
Quote from: Jack the Quick on July 04, 2019, 10:15:55 PM
I'm a Guosim shrew.
It doesn't seem like this is going to get us any closer to figuring something out. The fact that four of us have claimed to be regular shrews when there are two mafia members and a doctor left means that two of us are lying, regardless of whatever Soneji actually is. There should only be two shrews left, not four.
Either way, unless some sort of evidence comes up, I'm going to
vote Soneji due to the fact that they haven't said anything for a very long time, so for all we know they're either mafia or not even here. While it could be possible to vote out one of the people claiming to be shrews in the hopes of catching a lying mafia member, we also need to consider the fact that it is very likely that the doctor is lying about their role to avoid being targeted, and if there's one person we don't want to kill by accident, it's them.
I am also voting for Soneji, for the reasons I previously stated.
Hmm I'm going to leave my vote on Jet right now, it's possible that Soneji is the doctor. I'm wondering what Ouro is since they seem to be considering claiming PV so we don't kill them. But they don't want to risk being counter claimed by Soneji.
Wait you're not the doctor?
So what was that about you saying "will do" when Abbey said "remember to send in your night actions"?
votecount
Soneji-2 (ouroboros,jetthebinturong)
Unvote-1 (NADAZ, VOICE OF THE HOST)
Once again, town must lynch correctly today or wolves win.
Phase ends when majority has been reached.
VOTE
@Ouroboros Quote from: Jetthebinturong on July 06, 2019, 03:36:57 AM
Wait you're not the doctor?
So what was that about you saying "will do" when Abbey said "remember to send in your night actions"?
I was making myself suspicious so that the mafia wouldn't kill me that night.
Quote from: Nadaz, voice of the host on July 06, 2019, 03:01:01 AM
Hmm I'm going to leave my vote on Jet right now, it's possible that Soneji is the doctor. I'm wondering what Ouro is since they seem to be considering claiming PV so we don't kill them. But they don't want to risk being counter claimed by Soneji.
What's PV mean...
I think he means Pasque Valerian, what Abbey decided to call the doctor role.
Hmm. That doesn't make sense though, because I never claimed to be the doctor. I said either Soneji is the doctor, or the doctor is lying to avoid becoming a target. And since Soneji just flat out hasn't said anything in like two weeks, I'm more inclined to believe the second.
Quote from: Ouroboros on July 05, 2019, 05:12:56 PM
Quote from: Ouroboros on July 05, 2019, 11:34:51 AM
Quote from: Jack the Quick on July 04, 2019, 10:15:55 PM
I'm a Guosim shrew.
I think it is now likely that Soneji is the doctor, since someone didn't submit their night action quickly.
Has anyone considered finding Soneji on MU or Discord? (Sorry for interrupting when I'm supposed to be dead)
Quote from: Nadaz, voice of the host on July 09, 2019, 03:48:05 PM
I think it is now likely that Soneji is the doctor, since someone didn't submit their night action quickly.
I'm pretty sure the reason that night was long was because abbey was sick, not because someone didn't send in an action.
Quote from: abbey account on June 29, 2019, 01:04:46 AM
Quote from: abbey account on June 26, 2019, 04:10:26 AM
I'll start the next day tonight.
tonight for real promise real actual post
I thought this post was a dream- I've been sick lately haha
Quote from: Nadaz, voice of the host on July 10, 2019, 05:31:12 AM
Quote from: abbey account on June 23, 2019, 05:31:29 PM
remember to send any night actions you may have in
Eh, you may have a point, but abbey also said that on the 17th, when the night phase only took 9 hours.
Quote from: abbey account on June 16, 2019, 09:53:08 PM
Remember to send in night actions to me via forum PM!
What's especially annoying is that Soneji now hasn't logged onto the forum at all in 2 weeks, so god only knows when we can expect any sort of reply from them. :-|
That means that Soneji would have to be a normal Guosim Shrew or else the night would never have been able to end.
Quote from: Jack the Quick on July 12, 2019, 01:44:34 AM
That means that Soneji would have to be a normal Guosim Shrew or else the night would never have been able to end.
That seems likely, but not necessarily true. Soneji was last active on here on the 27th, whereas abbey said that they were starting the next phase on the 26th (meaning they had received the night actions, but were too busy/sick to post until the 30th.
So Soneji could have been the doctor or a mafia member and still had time to send in actions before they flat out disappeared, although since they're not around to say anything's its impossible to know for sure.
Either way, I'm less sure about Soneji being a mafia member, but I'm having a bit of difficulty thinking of reasons to suspect anyone else.
I think we should all come to an agreement on who is guilty. I, personnaly, think Soneji is innocent. I'm not sure about the rest.
I was unable to get soneji to come back unfortunately. I will try to find a substitute.
Well it's been long enough; with two votes on soneji he dies. He was a guosim shrew and wolves win
Congratulations to
@Ouroboros and
@Jetthebinturong for their win.
If We do this again, I'll be requiring everyone to join a discord server that I can use to ping players who don't check the forum frequently. If there are about 5 or so players who are interested in trying again but with discord as a help, lemme know in the thread.
I wanna do it again
Oh goodness, I suspected Ouro but definitely not Jet. Good job guys!
Great job wolves! I didn't suspect either of you till the final night.