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Title: Redwall repeats?
Post by: ravenwyte on April 24, 2012, 12:38:57 AM
I've noticed, and my friends have noticed, that the storylines in the Redwall books are almost always similar. There's always a hoard of vermin, a hero, and the hero's friend(s). I'm not complaining; I love Redwall; but I wanted to know if this was on purpose or just the way Brian Jacques wrote.
Title: Re: Redwall repeats?
Post by: Matthias720 on April 24, 2012, 01:16:20 PM
I think it was just the Brian Jacques wrote. Think about it like this. When you were really young and your parents told you stories, even though they probably always went the same sort of way, didn't you always wonder if this time it was going to be different? I see it that way with Redwall. No matter how the story ends, it's the journey that matters. And that journey is different every time.
Title: Re: Redwall repeats?
Post by: Redwallfan7 on April 24, 2012, 06:24:41 PM
Even if it is, I don't mind. The books are still the best writing ever.
Title: Re: Redwall repeats?
Post by: Redwall Musician on April 24, 2012, 06:37:25 PM
People I know are always like "I don't like Redwall because all the story lines are the same." or "The hares drive me crazy because they area all the same, only with different names. They all eat a ton and talk funny."

I, for one, think each Redwall story is different. Maybe it's because I notice small things and always imagine feelings behind the words. For me, I just see everything different. The general story line may be the same, but the characters, the journey, the mission, the plan, the important details, are different.

And hares are all completely different...
Title: Re: Redwall repeats?
Post by: Redwallfan7 on April 24, 2012, 06:45:11 PM
This was stupid, someone on another site said they hated Redwall because of the animals talking. I was like what the heck
Title: Re: Redwall repeats?
Post by: WildDoogyPlumm on April 24, 2012, 07:45:39 PM
I like the smallish things that set one book apart - Tagg's quest, a cannibalistic Gulo, a Doomwyte jewel search, etc.
Title: Re: Redwall repeats?
Post by: redwallgurl on April 24, 2012, 09:51:55 PM
I like to think how everything has a different role to play and think of it without that character
Title: Re: Redwall repeats?
Post by: Tiria Wildlough on April 25, 2012, 09:40:21 AM
Aye, there's always a villain that needs to be defeated and everything, but the interesting thing is how it happens.
Title: Re: Redwall repeats?
Post by: Lutra on April 25, 2012, 11:54:09 AM
You've basically stumbled onto what I call the "Redwall formula".  There's always a general storyline Redwall follows, and there's always a guarantee of certain things--huge feasts, vermin hordes, a hero to save the day.  As Matthias has said, the journey to these points is all different, but its the same storyline in the end.  Only two books melded out of this formula a bit to give you that "might something different happen" feeling--Outcast of Redwall and Taggerung.  Some readers don't mind the general predictability of the stories, others don't like it as much.
Title: Re: Redwall repeats?
Post by: WildDoogyPlumm on April 26, 2012, 01:14:25 AM
Quote from: Redwallfan7 on April 24, 2012, 06:45:11 PM
This was stupid, someone on another site said they hated Redwall because of the animals talking. I was like what the heck
I saw someone who said they didn't like all the different species in Redwall.
Title: Re: Redwall repeats?
Post by: Redwallfan7 on April 26, 2012, 01:45:22 AM
I wanted to say a good comeback but I held my tongue. Sometimes it's not worth arguing with people.
Title: Re: Redwall repeats?
Post by: Tiria Wildlough on April 26, 2012, 10:17:18 AM
Yep, arguments over someone's opinion usually end in a stalemate. :P
Title: Re: Redwall repeats?
Post by: Tannsrall on April 26, 2012, 09:17:43 PM
Ignore This something wierd happened!

Refer to post below.
Title: Re: Redwall repeats?
Post by: Tannsrall on April 26, 2012, 09:19:36 PM
Quote from: Redwallfan7 on April 26, 2012, 01:45:22 AM
I wanted to say a good comeback but I held my tongue. Sometimes it's not worth arguing with people.

Let me guess you learned that from Redwall.
Title: Re: Redwall repeats?
Post by: MatthiasMan on April 27, 2012, 12:41:56 AM
I learned at school there is something called the Hero's ____. Can't remember the last word, but all the story's of Redwall have it. It's like what all the Hero's go through. Like Hercules, he rose to fame, had a bad time, then saved all the people. It's something like that order.
Title: Re: Redwall repeats?
Post by: WildDoogyPlumm on April 27, 2012, 10:54:36 AM
Quote from: MatthiasMan on April 27, 2012, 12:41:56 AM
I learned at school there is something called the Hero's ____. Can't remember the last word, but all the story's of Redwall have it. It's like what all the Hero's go through. Like Hercules, he rose to fame, had a bad time, then saved all the people. It's something like that order.
Hero's Journey?
Title: Re: Redwall repeats?
Post by: Ciaran Galedeep on May 13, 2012, 01:09:10 AM
Quote from: Lutra on April 25, 2012, 11:54:09 AM
You've basically stumbled onto what I call the "Redwall formula".  There's always a general storyline Redwall follows, and there's always a guarantee of certain things--huge feasts, vermin hordes, a hero to save the day.  As Matthias has said, the journey to these points is all different, but its the same storyline in the end.  Only two books melded out of this formula a bit to give you that "might something different happen" feeling--Outcast of Redwall and Taggerung.  Some readers don't mind the general predictability of the stories, others don't like it as much.
Legend of luke didn't quite follow the the usual pattern... the title character dies and his adventure only lasts over one book in the volume. also includes the mad otter Folgrim who has an twisted varity of battle sickness.