Redwall Abbey

something my friends and i played on tribal wars and on thread sites similar to this... Its very simple. it starts with a what if question, and then the next person awnsers and gives another for someone else to awnser.

[example:

player1: what is spiderman got stung by a radioactive scorpian?

player2: he wouldnt be call spider man
               what if books was never invented?

       And so on]

Since this is a site from which the series of redwall is revolved around, the only rule is that you keep it redwall based.

I'll start, and hope you all have a good time...

[taken from the first book]
What if the pitch black rat, 'Shadow', lived threw the fall and escaped?

he would have attempted to kill cluny
wat if dotti never left home

Salamandastron would be doomed

What if Mattimeo hadn't been taken captive?

Then Mattimeo would still be a spoiled brat, and the story would suck.

"blank"

what if rocangus had never been found by thrugg and dumble?

He would have been eaten by an adder.

What if someone here actually knew what Metroiud Prime was and actually loves to play it. (like me)

Quote from: Nightfire on August 03, 2011, 03:31:55 PM
What if someone here actually knew what Metroiud Prime was and actually loves to play it. (like me)

I don't know what that is. Remember, we got to keep this Redwall based.

Quote from: Vulpin on August 02, 2011, 10:31:12 PM
Since this is a site from which the series of redwall is revolved around, the only rule is that you keep it redwall based.

wat if gulos brother lived

I dunno. I haven't read Rakkety Tam yet. :'(

Quote from: Skalrag of Marshank on August 03, 2011, 06:36:52 PM
I dunno. I haven't read Rakkety Tam yet. :'(

then why did u reply

Because I felt like it. Heehee.

Yoofuz Wid never have found "The Walking Stone".

Wha' if Cluny had ztepped oat o' the way o' the bell?

Matthias would probably break all of his fingers punching a brick wall. And I would be happy. ;D

What if Skalrag had been a goodbeast?

Then I would be overjoyed. I don't think goodbeasts get tickled to death all that often... ;D

You forgot to post a question.

What if the Joseph bell never got delivered to Redwall Abbey?

They would have had to keep beating that log!

What if Grath Longfletch had died in the massacre of her holt?

Viola Bankvole would have drowned.

What if the Deepcoiler had been able to go on land as well as in the sea?

The badgers would have killed it long before it attacked the shrews

What if Slagar had tried to attack the abbey rather than kidnap the kids?

Well, it depends on his method of operation.

His basic premise of sneaking in under the guise of players was a good one, so if we assume the plan works as before up until then, everyone would have been knocked out, and from there it should have been simple for him to kill everyone off.

However, I have the feeling that if Slagar was about to kill everyone in Redwall Abbey, Martin's spirit would intervene and wake up Matthias, and with his sword, he would easily make mincemeat out of Slagar and his entire band.

What if Martin didn't somehow survive at the end of Mossflower, and died as a result of the wounds inflicted on him by Tsarmina, thus resulting in a double-kill? How would this affect Redwall history?

There would not be half the Redwall books there are now, I guess.  :o
That's unthinkable!  :-\ :-\ :-\
What if Ungatt Trunn had kept Salamandastron?

If Brocktree perished fighting for Salamandastron, then Boar the Fighter's life and times would have been substantially different. As he would have gone to Salamandastron, there would have inevitably been a massive conflict waged between the Fighter and the aged wildcat ruler Ungatt Trunn, which would be a story too long to tell here. If we assume his eventual victory, Redwall history as we know it is virtually unchanged, except that Lord Boar, not Lord Brocktree, would be the best-remembered badger lord of history, and it would be his story that we read about, "Lord Boar", the tale of how Boar came to Salamandastron and recaptured it from the wildcats, instead of "Lord Brocktree". ;)

If, however, Boar perished in this conflict, this spells disaster for Redwall history. If Boar isn't at Salamandastron, then there is no quest to Salamandastron for Martin to go on; hence Martin's sword will never be reforged, and the heroes will never capture Bloodwake, which means that Timballisto would not be freed, which means that Kotir would be just as invulnerable and immovable as Tsarmina predicted. The Corim would do their best, but in the end they would either succumb to the Thousand Eyes Army, or leave Mossflower country. There would probably still be an Abbey built by the Loamhedge mice, but it would not be located in Mossflower country, nor would it be known as Redwall (since they wouldn't have access to sandstone to build it with). The descendants of King Mortspear would rule over their domains, at Salamandastron and Kotir, into perpetuity.

What if Klitch survived (by not drinking the poisoned water), and escaped Salamandastron?

He probably would have escaped while the victors were busy. After that, he would have gotten himself some sort of vermin gang/horde and done some damage to plenty of creatures.

What if Slagar hadn't killed Vitch? Always an interest to me ever since I first read Mattimeo

Well, Vitch would probably have still unintentionally alerted the warriors to his presence and either Matthias or Orlando would have killed Slagar......Of course Slagar would still have had his weapon...He'd probably let it fly at Orlando (as he would seem the bigger threat) and, while Orlando was ducking it, Matthias would have had a short struggle with Slagar that would end in Slagar's death. And Orlando would then argue that he had prior claim to Slagar, but they'd make up in the end again because Slagar was already dead.

What if Martin's sword hadn't been reforged?

Then someone doesn't know the use of good hard fallen star I guess. For the future though, Martin would have used a different sword. It's a weapon, and it can kill fine enough, regardless of its heritage.

What if the dibbuns in Marlfox hadn't taken to playing as 'Marmfloxes'?

The book would have been slightly less interesting (but only slightly!)

What if Bucko hadn't "insulted" Dotti in Lord Brocktree?

Then he would still be acting like a jerk and Dotti would be a clueless haremaid.

What if Verdauga had poisened Tsarmina instead of the other way around?

Well, that's kind of implausible since there's no reason for an adult, male wildcat to poison his daughter -- we can safely assume he's larger and stronger, so if he wanted to dispose of her, he could easily just kill her himself, or have his troops put her in prison just like they did with Gingivere.

That said, if Lord Greeneyes' reign continued and Tsarmina was out of the way, we wouldn't have had anything like what we saw in Mossflower. Martin would have been released from prison at the proper time, and with his nemesis Tsarmina taken care of, would have no need to seek vengeance on her. He may or may not have left the country. The Corim would likely not have had as much of a cause to revolt in the first place, since with only Lord Verdauga and Gingivere ruling Kotir, it's likely that their reign over Mossflower would be fair and relatively benevolent. If the Corim was still to fight, though, it's likely that Verdauga would put an end to it -- as it was Tsarmina already nearly won the war with what she had, and we know that under Verdauga, the army was much more disciplined and orderly, ready and suitable for warfare. Ashleg would not have needed to leave Verdauga's service, and would have probably remained distant second to the wildcat ruler.

So the revolt would not have happened, or if it did, the woodlanders would have lost the war just like they did the first time, and be forced to either leave the country or sue for peace.

Eventually, Lord Greeneyes would pass away and Gingivere would ascend to his father's throne. Under Gingivere's benevolent rule, and that of his descendants, the once menacing fortress Kotir would gain a reputation like Redwall's, and it's quite possible a new Abbey would never be built. Generations later, Lord Julian Gingivere, the last of the cat rulers of Kotir, would successfully defend Kotir and the country from the great warlord Cluny the Scourge. Martin's sword wouldn't exist as we know it, but there would be a very nice tapestry of the first of the good cat rulers, Lord Gingivere, hanging up in Kotir's hall.

What if Matthias didn't think to chop down the Bell, and instead went down the stairs to continue the duel with Cluny?

He would have been spike by Cluny's tail and poisinged, and Redwall Abbey would be toast.

What if Abbess Germaine had wanted to stay at Brockhall instead of building Redwall?

then there would not be a book called mossflower

what if rakkety tams sheild wasnt sharp enough to kill gulo

Then Gulo would have kept on fighting, and maybe kill Tam.
What if Cregga had survived after taking Vallug's arrow?

Then there would be a lot of dead vermin once she was well enough for vengeance.

What if they had used black sandstone instead of red when they built the abbey?

(and I honestly don't care if black sandstone exists or not. It's just a random question. ;D)

Then it would have been called Blackwall. XD
What if Cluny had managed to keep Redwall?

The situation seemed dire as Cluny's surviving horde was ganged up on by an incredible number of sparrows, shrews, and Redwallers. It would take a massive change of fortune for the as-of-yet undefeated army to win the day.

That change came when Cluny the Scourge came back down into Great Hall, equipped with the shield and sword of Martin.

As the massive rat came roaring into the battlefield, the meaning of the warlord's new armament was immediately obvious to both sides. Cluny's horde took heart; the defenders battled on with grim determination.

However, as great as the army was, they were unable to combat the great rat as his ill-acquired sword tore through them. With the death of the Log-a-Log the Guosim were routed and fled from the Abbey. The sparrows and the remaining Redwallers put up a legendary battle, but at the end of the day the Scourge emerged triumphant, albeit with less than two-score rats left to his command.

Cluny's Castle became the most feared and notorious building of all time. The Scourge ruled over Mossflower with an iron claw. Those killed as a result of his reign included a certain fox going by the name of "Lunar Stellaris" and his entertainment troupe. When the infamous General Ironbeak came down from the north several seasons later, and attempted to conquer the Castle, they were decimated by the ruthless rat warlord.

While the Scourge had no blood descendants, his chosen successors reigned over his Castle for many seasons to come. One Rat King infamously stole the Pearls of Lutra, and then eradicated the Corsairs of Sampetra after their Emperor, "Ublaz Mad Eyes" launched an expedition to reclaim them.

The end of Cluny's Castle would come some seasons after, when the south wall began to crumble. Normally the rat inhabitants would have had time to rebuild it, but the Rapscallions, who had taken to traveling in-land, posed an imminent threat to the castle's defense. The final Rat King took his horde to battle with the Rapscallions near the place that would become known as the Ridge of Dead Rats; it was a bloody affair, but the battle was relatively even, and could have gone either way, had Lady Cregga Rose Eyes and her Long Patrol not come in and destroyed all of both sides.

Having won a massive victory, the Badger Lady proceeded on to Cluny's Castle, once known as Redwall Abbey, and completely demolished it, taking only the few things that were left of the building's original inhabitants. Generations later the site of the building was still empty and uninhabited, and its memory lived on only in the records of Salamandastron.

What if Martin II wasn't immune to Ublaz's hypnotic gaze?

(P.S.: If you can't tell, this is one of my favorite topics on this forum. ;))

Wow, James Gryphon, that's a good story. Please write it down. I REALLY want to read it! ;D
Anyway, if Martin II wasn't immune to hypnosis, Ublaz would have undoubtedly killed him. :( But this wouldn't necessarily mean the end of Ublaz. ;)
What if Lady Cregga Rose Eyes had died killing Damug Warfang?

Then there would be no one to give Mhera frustrating letter riddles.

What if Slagar the Cruel had succeeded with his plan?

Ublaz widnae have died.

Wot if Stonefleck didnae die?

He may have escaped to warn Malkariss of the approaching enemy....and probably would have been killed for his failure to stop them.

What would it have meant for Matthias and company if the above mentioned situation had occured?

Death.

What if the beaver made a recurring appearence in the Redwall books and got a name other that "The Solitary Beaver?"

We'd aw be in big trouble.

Wot if Luke the Warrior had lived?

ThenMartinwouldbeevenhappierthenheisnow,andifLukesurvivedthecrash, thatwouldmeanRanguarFoeseekersurvivedthecrash,soIandMarthawouldbe overjoyed.

What if more people were Ranguvar Foeseeker fans?

Zee me previouz anzwer.

Wot if a wormhole opened up an' tranzported uz aw tae the Redwall world az the creature tha' we wid be?

I would be sooooo happy.

What if the Loamhedge mice did not had to leave their abbey and didn't go to Mossflower?

After successfully helping Gonff, the Prince of Mousethieves and his friend Martin the Warrior escape, the Corim deliberated as to its next move. At length, they decided to work on establishing a spy network to get information about everything going on in Kotir.

Gonff proposed they hire the robin Chibb. Though initially offending the bird, they were eventually able to arrange a payment of eight bags of candied chestnuts in exchange for his services.

Much later, a team of moles broke into Kotir and devised a plan to sink the fortress through several flood tunnels. When Gonff and his company returned from their quest to Salamandastron, they scuttled Wuddship and used it to assist in this effort.

As Tsarmina escaped the ruined fortress, Martin the Warrior confronted her with the now-legendary Sword. He prevailed over the wildcat, but at a great cost; the former Queen's teeth and claws had nearly ripped his body to shreds. Bella of Brockhall and Goodwife Stickle did the best they could to preserve the Warrior's life, but in the end it just wasn't enough and Martin passed on to Dark Forest.

Taking possession of his friend's sword, Gonff tarried in Mossflower for a while, but eventually he grew restless and went on several thieving journeys, taking such items as the Doomwyte jewels. In one adventure down south, he stole the heart of a young mousemaid by the name of Columbine, and persuaded her to return with him to his home in Mossflower country. They settled down into St. Ninian's.

Many seasons later, the horde of Swartt Sixclaw came into Mossflower country. As they posed a certain threat to St. Ninian's, the Gonfelin tribe (of which Bryony was a part of), ambushed the horde and convinced the warlord to take his forces elsewhere. Swartt Sixclaw's son was discovered, and eventually taken to Brockhall.

Veil became a villain and was killed by the Skipper of Otters after poisoning Myrtle the hedgehog. With no son to bother him and without Bryony at hand to rescue Sunflash the Mace, Swartt Sixclaw managed to get his revenge, only to perish in battle with the Long Patrol shortly afterwards.

Many seasons later, a young mousemaid by the name of Storm Gullwhacker came down to Mossflower country and came to reside at St. Ninian's. Graypatch the rat and his crew came by shortly afterwards, but were defeated by the Gonfelins and their allies. Meanwhile, Gabool the Wild crushed a slave rebellion on the isle of Terramort, built a new and very large fleet, and besieged Salamandastron. With no resident Badger Lord, there was a massive battle, but the hares of the Long Patrol, at the cost of almost their entire number, were able to repel the invasion and defeat the searat king.

Far south, Storm and Dandin help save Castle Floret from the Urgan Nagru. Cap'n Slipp and Blaggut stumble across St. Ninian's, but the mice there aren't interested in taking in stray rats. Slipp is killed trying to steal from them, but Blaggut lives to settle down in Mossflower country, and eventually discovers his talent for building boats.

Many seasons after that, Ferahgo the Assassin decides the time has come to conquer Salamandastron. Dingeye and Thura aren't able to get into St. Ninian's, and so continue on down the road. The legendary Sword is never stolen. The spirit of Gonff appears to a Mossflower squirrel, Samkin, in a dream, and they set out on a quest that saves Salamandastron from destruction.

A long time later, Cluny the Scourge comes to Mossflower. Taking the Gonfelin thieves by surprise, he easily conquers St. Ninian's, and takes the sword with it. In the ensuing war with the otters and squirrels, Cluny burns out much of the forest, turning Mossflower Forest into the Mossflower Plains. Eventually the rat, having achieved his objective of destruction and mayhem, and having destroyed much of what made the country appealing, continues traveling on. General Ironbeak and his army comes down from the north, seeking warmer and easier territory to inhabit. They find the ruins of St. Ninian's and take up residence there.

Seasons later, Emperor Ublaz Mad Eyes sends a ship to steal the Pearls of Lutra. Graylunk escapes with the Pearls, and seeks refuge in St. Ninian's, where the inhabitants steal the Pearls of Lutra from him. However, Conva's trackers soon discover their whereabouts, and wage a short, bloody war with the jackdaws, ravens, and other birds. In the end, all six of the pearls are brought back to the isle of Sampetra, to adorn the pine marten's crown.

By the time of "The Long Patrol", the Mossflower Plains still have a long way to go to recover from the Scourge's rampage. The main significant place left in the country, and the only one that has survived since Gonff's time, is Camp Willow, which is home to an otter holt.

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Those mice may not have seemed to make much of a difference in Mossflower, but you can see that the country really changes without them in the long term. ;)

What if Saltar succeeded in defeating Gabool in their swordfight?

Then we'd have a new searat king, one who would not go crazy and hallucinate a ringing bell. Harharharr!

What if Sunflash the Mace had died and Skarlath had lived?

Then there would have been no poem for Rillbrook's father to show him (as his father showed him as his Auntie Bangtail showed him... ;))
Not very well thought out, but I haven't read that one in a while. :-[

What if Rose had lived?

 This (http://redwallabbey.com/forum/index.php?topic=89.0) would have happened.

What if Rake was an otter?

He widae been part o' the Rogue Crew.

What if Zalamandastron became an active volcano again?

Then the current badger lord, as well as all of the hares, would be out of a home. Then the badger lord (or lady) would go into the bloodwrath and get majorly ticked off.

What if HiaG actually stopped talking a mix of Highlander and Monitor accents?

I started writing this before Nightfire's response, and it seems a waste of time to just throw it away, so I figured I'd post it anyway.

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Countless seasons after The Rogue Crew, when the names of legendary conquerors like Cluny the Scourge, Ferahgo the Assassin, and Damug Warfang had long since been forgotten, the Sword of Martin had become mere mythology, and even Redwall Abbey had long eroded away, the final Badger Lord of the Mountain of the Fire Lizards passed on, alone, entombed with his fathers.

Salamandastron remained unoccupied, but none of the sea vermin who passed by dared to near it, for not long after its master's death, the mountain had begun to glow brighter than they had ever seen it before, and ever would again. A geologist might have predicted the crisis ahead, but the uneducated masses who would be affected by it knew nothing of the technical details.

Late one evening, it finally happened. The earth shook and the night sky was lit up as bright as daytime. Salamandastron violently erupted, expelling countless tons of materials to the nearby shores, killing everything within twenty miles, and notably altering the world's climate for about four seasons.

With time, the land recovered. Salamandastron became known for its lava flow, and for being a useful source for minerals, many of which the eruption had revealed. The treasures, tools, and graves of its former rulers, however, remained forever buried and inaccessible by any beast who still remembered their existence.

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As far as Nightfire's question, I don't think it would really change all that much... I can understand it fine myself. If there was some molespeak thrown in there, then it might become a problem.

What if the corsairs and monitors on Waveworm managed to tolerate each other long enough to sail back to Sampetra?

Then Matin II and his little band would be an a LOT of trouble.

(sorry, I'm not that eloquent.) ;)

what if dannflor died in the tunnel

I would have cried  :'( Dann's to awesome to kill!

What if the Swifteyes had been Swiftears instead?

btw welcome to the forum, Dannflor!

Thank you ice fire I seem to love this website


              What if sollitree was evil

Dann, Song, Dip, and Burb would probably have all lost their lives as they would have been easy targets under that boat.

You didn't answer my question!

What if the Swifteyes had been Swiftears instead?

I would have laughed my head off



                     would if the swifteyes never came to redwall and dann lived in mossflower

They would have needed a new badger Lord.
What if Cregga had not been blinded by Damug?
(Sorry, I'm full of questions about Cregga!) ;)

she would have seen redwall



           would if brian never wrote the books :'(

You would not have asked that question. :D
What if Ranguvar Foeseeker had not died?

Traveling a ways distance after the destruction of Goreleech, Ranguvar happened to stumble across the army of Badrang the stoat, who intended to begin styling himself as a tyrant.

Going into a berserk rage, Ranguvar fought Badrang's army, nearly killing the Tyrant, but was ultimately killed in the effort.

Because of this, many seasons later, Badrang felt a certain sense of deja vü when Felldoh offered up his challenge, and thus prudently declined the duel. Thus, the mad squirrel continued his guerilla campaign up until Martin's army stormed Marshank. Fully consumed with Bloodwrath, Felldoh ran down the Tyrant and violently killed him, thus saving Rose's life in the process.

Martin and company returned in peace to Noonvale, and the warrior mouse soon married Laterose. They had two children and lived happily ever after.

Meanwhile, down in Mossflower Woods, Gonff, the Prince of Mousethieves succeeded in escaping Kotir with the help of the Corim. Bella of Brockhall asked the mouse for a favor: to go on a quest to Salamandastron and bring back her father, Boar the Fighter, to deliver Mossflower from Tsarmina's tyranny.

Gonff accepted the request and went on the journey, taking Dinny the Mole with him. After many trials, and after meeting Log-a-Log Big Club, they finally reached Salamandastron. Boar welcomed them, and forged two very fine daggers for Gonff, each one made out of the metal of a falling comet, invulnerable and incredibly sharp.

After fighting Ripfang's horde, Gonff and his party took control of Bloodwake and returned to Mossflower. With help from the veteran warrior Timballisto, the Corim constructed a catapult that destroyed Kotir. Tsarmina Greeneyes fled to the North, back to her grandfather Mortspear's domain, in the hopes of claiming the kingdom or whatever remains of it might exist.

After the Loamhedge mice built Redwall Abbey, Gonff went on several thieving journeys, capturing such prizes as the Doomwyte jewels in the process. After he died, his daggers remained in his family for a time, but were eventually left at Redwall Abbey, in the gatehouse.

Dandin acquired them, along with his ancestor's flute, and wielded them to great effect during his journeys with Mariel. What became of them is unknown.

Many seasons later, Redwall was besieged by the great warlord Cluny the Scourge. Matthias, a young mouse who greatly admired Redwall's legendary hero, Gonff, went on several thieving journeys, helping demoralize Cluny's horde. The most valuable and important item he stole was Cluny's own war helmet.

Around this time, the Shadow attempted to open up Redwall's gates, but Matthias became aware of this by the help of the spirit of Gonff, and helped prevent the creature from succeeding.

In the midst of yet another attempt to besiege Redwall, this time by siege tower, the infamous Scourge was killed by a very well-thrown stone from the young mouse's sling.

Like his hero, Matthias became known as a carefree, adventurous mouse. Not content with the life of the Redwall Order, he went on some journeys around the country. In his most famous one, he met the Guosim, who informed him that an evil adder, Asmodeus, was devouring shrews around the country. With Matthias's help, they eventually found a way to kill the evil adder Asmodeus. Eventually he returned to Redwall, married Cornflower and had a son, named Mattimeo.

Slagar the Cruel, masquerading himself as Lunar Stellaris, came to Redwall Abbey. However, Matthias' sharp vision caught sight of the fox slipping sleeping draught into the Redwallers' drinks. The fox and his crew were summarily taken care of.

Eventually Mattimeo had a son of his own, Matthias II. This Matthias participated in the rescue of Abbot Durral from the Corsairs of Sampetra.

Wow. Interesting. :o :D
But you didn't ask a question. And by the way, what does deja vu mean? ???
What if Chickenhound had been killed, and not become Slagar?

(Well deja vu mean a feeling of having already experienced the present situation)

Mattimeo would have never been kiddnapped. Orlando and Auma would have never been to Redwall. Mattimeo would have probably been a brat forever. He may have never married Tess, which means Martin Jr. would have never been born. Ironbeak would have still attacked Redwall, but with Matthias, Basil, and Jess there he would not have held it so long. And Cheek would never had come into the picture.

What if Martin had died in battle?

Which battle? If at Marshank, it's possible Tsarmina would not have been defeated. If in Mossflower, I believe James Gryphon already answered that and he can articulate it far better than I can, so go look for his answer. :D

What if Rose couldn't make eagle noises?

Interesting.......however, the question was "what if Ranguvar Foeseeker had not died?" You changed it so that she wasn't killed fighting on the Goreleech, but she died anyway. That doesn't really answer the question, because she just dies anyways. NEXT QUESTION!!!!

What if Martin the Warrior had not recieved his awesome sword made from a falling star??

He would have fought Tsarmina with another weapon, and maybe lost the battle. :(
What would have happened if the above situation had occurred?

The world of Redwall Abbey would immideately crash out of existence without the beloved Martin the Warrior.

What if the woodlanders had not destroyed Kotir, living there instead of in Redwall Abbey?

I dunno...they might have renamed it Redwall, but if they hadn't destroyed Kotir, they might not have been able to oust Tsarmina from it, so the war might have been a lot longer.
What if Martin had not been captured by Badrang, and had been there to meet his father?

then vilu daskar would have gotten a big whip-pen
would if Tsarmina never existed

Redwall would never of been built. O_O

What if Cluny attacked Brockhall instead of Redwall?

matthias would have fallin of the tree
would if song never met dann

Dann would of had a lot of trouble gettin the tapestry

You forgot to post the next question.

What if Rose had been in a wheelchair?

she would have never gotten killed



would if you got the whole series of redwall from your aunt

Then I would be very happy.  ;D I'm still lacking Doomwyte, Eulalia, Sable Quean, Marlfox, and one other...

What if Salamandastron didn't exist?

(anyone can answer, but I'm kinda hoping for one of James Gryphon's essays. ;) That was a hint, by the way.)

There would probably not be a book called Lord Brocktree, Martin's sword might not have been forged, Sunflash the Mace would have had nowhere to go, Lord Rawnblade wouldn't have helped to defeat Gabool, there would not be a book called Salamandastron, Lord Russano would not have arrived with help at the end of Taggerung, Lady Melesme would not have sent the Redwallers a drum, Tiria would not have gotten her armour, Maudie wouldn't have been sent to find Gorath the Flame...and that's all I know.
I'm no JG when it comes to essays, but it's clear that a lot of things depend on Salamandastron. ;)

What if Vizka Longtooth had killed Gorath?

the redwallers would have probably died :'(



would if you got the redwall cd

I WOULD BE SUPER SUPER HAPPY!!!!!

What if Martin the Warrior was never born?

(again, hoping for one of James Gryphon's essays)

This one's not as long as some of them, but I hope it'll still be enjoyable. ;)

Well, the destiny of Luke the Warrior remains essentially the same. Sayna would still most likely be murdered by Vilu Daskar, and Luke would still go on his quest -- but having no heir, and knowing he would be the last member of his family line, Luke would take his sword with him on his journey. From there it would end up forever lost in the northern seas.

Some time after this, Badrang the Tyrant would begin to construct a dread fortress, Marshank, from which he would impose his rule over all of the northlands. Laterose of Noonvale and Grumm Trencher manage to help Brome and Felldoh escape from their ##:1162, but they are soon separated.

Rose and Grumm, unfortunately, stumble across the so-called "Highbeasts", a tribe of pygmy shrews, and are taken as slaves. Dinjer, the shrew queen's son, is eaten by a gannet, and the would-be questers are stuck in the shrew camp for many seasons.

Felldoh and Brome have somewhat better luck, and eventually, with the help of the local Rambling Rosehip Players, found the "Fur and Freedom Fighters". However, the group takes a massive blow when Felldoh is killed after making a single-pawed effort to kill Badrang. In the end, the Fighters attempted battle with Badrang's army. Badly outnumbered, they were easily crushed, and the few survivors were taken back into captivity.

With nobody left to oppose his rule, Badrang eventually finished building Marshank and set to work on expanding his empire. By the end of his life, he controlled practically all of the Eastern Coast, although his forces never got as far as Noonvale.

Within just a few seasons of his death, however, Badrang's infamous Empire began to collapse, as his bloodthirsty children and former subordinates descended into a violent civil war. By the time of The Bellmaker, all that remained of the Tyrant's rule were the crumbling ruins of Marshank itself.

The history of the Mossflower Woods, and of Redwall Abbey, can be found here (http://redwallabbey.com/forum/index.php?topic=543.msg21124#msg21124), since Martin never left the north in that timeline either.

What if badgers were evil, and all wildcats were good?

Zalamandastron wid be a vermin fort.

Wot if the meteor tha' Martin'z zword was created from had struck Kotir instead?

It's possible (and in fact probable) that's it's worth would have been unknown and would have been wasted. Martin's sword would have never been reforged and he would have fought with a lesser weapon which possibly would have let him down in battle and he may then have been killed by Tsarmina.

What if Rose couldn't make eagle noises? (since no one answered last time I asked!)

Martin would've been eaten messily and gruesomely in front of the other slaves, and then the aforementioned from James' essay would have happened, minus the bit about Luke.  :'(

What if Slagar the Cruel had been a Redwaller?

as a spy or just a plain ol redwaller

Then he wouldn't have had to use sleeping powders. ;)
What if Gorath had not met Salixa?

Gorath may never have conquered the bloodwrath

What if Doogy Plumm wasn't in Rakkety Tam?

Then the whole book would have been a distaster.  :o

What if Cluny the Scourge had never existed?

Matthias would never have become a warrior.
Or he wouldn't have become one until General Ironbeak showed up.

What if Mattimeo hadn't been captured by Slagar?

He would have been naughty for the rest of his life


would if Brian never wrote the castaways of the flying dutchman

I would never have been able to point to non-Rewall examples of BJs work

What if Bryony hadn't tried to raise Veil?

He would have been an Outcast a lot sooner. :-\
What if Plugg had killed Princess Kurda?

Then Redwall may have been conquered.  :o

What if Ranguvar Foeseeker had been immortal, and had lived throughout all of the Redwall generations?

I would have gotten tired of her much more quickly.

What if Rasconza and Guja didn't survive when their ship went down?

Then Ublaz would have gotten his wish. The wave vermin would have had no leader, and would have been easier to destroy.
What if Nightfire wasn't obsessed with Ranguvar Foeseeker?

The world would end, and you with it.  ;D

What if people actually were as obssessed with Ranguvar Foeseeker as I am?

I would keel over and die. ;D
What if the above actually happened? :o

We would all be incredibly sad, and hold a huge funeral. Then I'd steal your High Rhulain armor.  ;D

What if Slagar the Cruel did not get bitten by Asmodeus?

he would still be alive!
what i BJ never made a REDWALL book :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

Then this would be a Castaways of the Flying Dutchman forum instead. :'(
(SPOILER: Chickenhound didn't die.)

What if Matthias the Warrior had never been born?

(hoping for one of James' essays again. ;))

then redwall itself wouldnt exist for that was the start of it all :)
what if...cluny died from the fall out of that tree

There would be no book called Redwall. Matthias wouldn't have become a warrior until General Ironbeak came along. :o
What if Plugg Firetail had killed Princess Pinkeyes?

Then I would have become the most famous villain ever.

What if I was the most famous villain ever?

I would probably have done battle with you before now. ;D
What if Ranguvar Foeseeker had never been born?

Then there would be one less bloodrathy squirrel

What if Brome never ran away from Noonvale?

There would be way less people mooning over Rose of Noonvale. ::)
What if Salamandastron was a vermin fort?

Then Redwall would be taken over.

What if I didn't change my siggie?

We wouldn't know any better. :D
What if Askor had survived?

Gulo would have killed him.

What if Princess Kurda wasn't a coward?

Triss would have been in a ton of trouble.

What if Cluny had conquered not only Redwall, but all of Mossflower Wood?

I wouldn't be a bit surprised. Why would he only conquer Redwall?

What if the printing press was never invented?

There would not be half as many books. :'(
What if this forum went inactive? :o

I would be very very very very very very very very very very sad :'(

What if rats were good and mice were evil?

That would be the way things are. ;D
What if every Redwall lover in the world was on this forum?

I would never be alone on the forum again!

What if Cluny had accidently hit himself with his tail?

He would be angry and probably take it out on some hordebeasts. :o
What if we were all in Mossflower together?

we would have so much fun!
What if there was not redwall? :'( :o

Then I wouldn't be here on this forum, and neither would you. ;)
What if Leatho Shellhound had killed Riggu Felis instead of Tiria?

Leatho Shellhound didn't kill Tiria, and I don't remember who Riggu Felis was.
What if Brian Jacques were alive?

There would undoubtedly be more Redwall books, because from what I gather, he really enjoyed writing them. :)
What if every Redwall lover who ever registered here was active every day?

That would be AWESOME!!!
What if I forced you to eat 2000 gallons of shrimp'n'hotroot soup?

I'd whack you over the head with a ladle, then run outside and drown myself in the Abbey Pond.

What if a Metroid began eating you without any warning?

I would scream.
What if you suddenly were able to fly?

I'd be so happy! ;D

What if Cluny had a twin brother?

i'd be like O__o



what if the forum exploded?

I would be annoyed.
What if a badger nosed its way into your room?

I'd squeal in happiness, adopt it, and name it Constance. ;D

What if a baby otter was abandoned at your doorstep?

i would have a pet otter



what if the forum shut down forever?

I would be depressed and probably create a new forum.

What if I suddenly had to quit the forum?

well than i would miss your posts



          what if Martin had an evil twin brother

i would be like O_____________o



what if there was 9999 redwall books??

I'D BE HAPPPPPYYYY

WHAT IF BADRANG WON

Then I'd go Bloodwrathy, invade the world of Redwall, and kill him myself, because Martin couldn't.

What if my above answer actually occured?

i would be all grumpy because you didnt wait for me to help
What if your redwalll dreams/fanfictions came true *shudders in delight*

I would be so happy, because I'd actually know Luke Cardassia in person, and I'd meet Bob the Metroid!!!!! :)

What if I was Luke Cardassia's daughter?

That would be cool.
What if I was really Tiria Wildlough?

then i would want to be your second-in-command called Skipper
What If i was a shape-shifter? (oooo yeah!)

I would be terrified. ;D

What if I had Samus Aran's armor?

I would be interested.
What if you had a pet dog?

i do
What if otters ruled the world

That would be cool. ;D
What if every otter fan got a gold medal?

Then I would have a gold medal sitting on my desk.

What if I ever went to Cambodia one day?

no one would be surprised



what if Hiag hacked me?

that would be funny
what if you got food poisoning

i'd go to the hospital then lay in bed till it was gone

WI you played with American girl dolls?

It sounds fun.
What if you got flooded with 1,000 PMs from a spambot?

i would report it



what if the universe went kablam?

I'd be happy, 'cause then I'd be in heaven and get to meet Gabriel, and Jesus, and David, and Daniel, and Adam, and Eve, and then scold Eve for cursing the universe, and.... ;D


What if I was able to go back in time and stop Eve from sinning?

i would be like ok, it dosn't affect me
what if they made a redwall holiday place where they built redwall

I would go visit it. ;D And, technically, it DOES affect you. It affects every human being out there, because sin infected us all.

What if the weasel living in my barn decided to become my friend?

give it veggies and it will



what if hulk flattened all of us?

Then i would be asking for batman to help.
What if you got a pet snake for your bithday

I'd say cool! but did dad actually sign off on it?

WI i only wrote in CAPS?

It would be funny

What if there was a theme park in Redwall?

Then the true spirit of Redwall would have kinda been ruined, so I would be very sad indeed.

What if Cluny the Scourge had been alive in the time of Lord Brocktree?

then Matthias probably wouldn't have become a warrior
what if you went to sleep and awoke in the future (like 300 years later)

I would be worried because of some things I might have missed in life

What if the moon was hot on the surface?

That would be weird.
What if this forum suddenly had all the emoticons you could wish for?

i would use the otter face emoticon :D
what if wishes were fishes that you could catch?

I would do a lot more fishing!
What if you discovered you could sing like a lark while underwater?

I would be happy because I would have discovered that I was magical. ;D

What if I had to quit the forum for good and never return to even say hi?

(I had a nightmare about this last night, so I was just wondering)

i'd probably try to find your email and post it on the forum for everyone to email you

what if Brian Jacques had lived

there would be more redwall books so i would be happy and i think everyone else would be too

WI a gallon of oats got dropped on you?

I would yell.
What if the world looked like a cartoon and you could do stuff like people can in cartoons, like flatten out and stretch.

i wold be epic


what if tacos made you able to fly

Tacos would be expensive.
What if Overlord's Orders was real?

i dont know what would happen because ive never heard or overlords oders

what if everyone on this forum were to meet

Then it would be a ginormous wonderful time, altohugh I might end up going all Bloodwrath-y on a few members....... ;D



What if Celtic Woman got lost and they all stood on your doorstep needing a place to stay?

i would send 'em away


what if we all got teleported to the same spot?

GIANT REDWALL PARTY ENSUES!!!!!!

What if I fell through your roof and landed in front of you?

You were sky diving again weren't you

What if made it over the rainbow

I would land in Redwall abbey and kill (on my way down) a bad beast that was being mean to a mouse maid.

What if you went to redwall abbey?

I would probably eat myself sick then ask you guys to come over

what if more ppl joined redwall site

Then there will be more topics to write in.

What if you were locked in the bell tower in redwall abbey?

i ould yell mep

what if i got pwnd

I would wonder why you didn't post.
What if Redwall was real?

Abbot Humble for President!
What if we found a stash of gold?

I'd probably steal it from you and throw it into Mount Doom. Maybe a magical ring would hop back out.

What if I mailed you a hermit crab?

MY FINGER AGHHHHHHHHH


what if tiria's spine instantly fixed itself for some unknown reason?

she would be happy and probably post more stuff

what if we all ended up in the redwall books together

0_o



what if i was the president

Things would be much improved in our country.
What if this thread didn't exist?

i dunno


what if tacos exploded?

That would be weird.
What if Overlord's Orders was real?

meh



what if the forum died

I'd make a new forum. ;D


What if the Zombie Apocalypse occured today?

i would start shootin them crazy zombies!

What if we allow guests to post too?

Then that would be vewy, vewy bad, because we wouldn't have a clue who they are, so they could start spamming.

What if I materialized in front of you?

I would squeal cos I'm not used to having people materialize in front of me.
What if you had to wear all the smileys on your clothes?

I'd feel schizophrenic having so many emotions at once.

What if I had an iPad 3?

I honestly wouldn't care (no offense) because I don't like phones of any kind. My computer is the most technology that I will use, and this computer of mine has been called a fossil more than once.

What if a weasel fell off a cliff and went splat?

I'll be surprised.
What if any animal starts talking to you in perfect english?

I would probably be veyrsurprised and start talking back(depending on which animal)

What if it turned out all your dreams were true

I would be happy Lol

What if a ferret from Redwallc ame and wanting to fight you?

Quote from: Redwallfan7 on March 20, 2012, 08:09:20 PM
I would be happy Lol

Even your nightmares?
Well, I would run away.
What if someone offered you a Fennec fox for a pet? (They're REALLY cute.)

I would pretend I loved it then when no one was looking, eat it. (Not really)

What if... Bella asked you out on a date.

I would say no way hosay I am a girl!

What if Martin the warrior charged at you?

I would not be bothered. Mice aren't really dangerous.
What if Ranguvar Foeseeker was hunting you down? :o

I'd be scared.
What if Redwall got taken over for good by Cluny?

I would run away,
What if you got given a chocolate bar.

It'd eat it and do a happy dance.

What if a hermit crab got tangled in your hair?

I would scream.
What if a firework went off in your room?

I would say "Yes! 4th of July!!" Lol

What if a stork came and dropped off the redwall cookbook at your door step?

I'd scream!!!  :o


What if Rose and Martin got married?

Aw thats great!

What if they shut down this website?

I would die!
What if Methuselah lived?

Matthias would be more educated.

What if you lost your voice, and you were the President making a speech that day?

I would speak in sign language! (it is fun!)
What if you worked in a zoo?

I'd sign up to take care of the Redwall animals.

(not sure what to answer...)
what if you had to go one-on-one with Slagar?

I'd rip his mask off.


What if I dropped a mouse onto your head?

I would scream and then get revenge...  :P

What if they celebrated Halloween at Redwall?

I would not be happy, because Halloween is stupid.

Ha.


What if you found out that everyone at school had to read Redwall over the summer?

I would be happy and seek out the person who did it so I could thank them.
What if the Taggerung was evil?

That would be odd

What if Keyla and Tullgrew fell in love and keyla and Tullgrew went on a romantic dinner

DERPY DERP


what if ninjas killed the forum?

That would be weird.
What if you suddenly were an awesome singer?

I would like it but not love it

What if you were on your favorite t.v show permanently?

I don't know...
What if there were twice as many Redwall books as there are?

ninja dance*



what if there were 100 zelda games

I don't know, I've never heard of that

What if they showed a lot of blood in a movie like gushing out?

i would retch
What if I threw a brick at your head?

I would fight you!! Haha

What if you could eat chocolate all day and not gain anything or get cavities

WHOOHOO!
What if you could meet your favorite movie charecter?

I would be excited

What if someone dumped glue all over you?

I would slice them with my lightsabre!
What if a dog came up and bit you?

I would check to see if he was dangerous and if not calm him down and pet him

What if you saw a concert that the Redwallers put on?

I would cheer.
What if tagg came up and shook your hand?

I'd get to know him better. And I'd make him meet all the Redwall fans.

WI you met Luke the Warrior?

I would think that would be cool

What if they had a soda machine at Redwall Abbey?

I dont like soda, so I wouldt use it

What if a monkey tried to attack Redwall Abbey with a bunch of monkey forces?

I would help the Redwallers fight them off.
What if you had a slinky?

i have a slinky



what if everyone fell into a redwall party...

That would be fun

What if you found you never had to do a report again

I don't know...
What if you had a polecat?

I don't know...

What if you could walk to another state with your eyes closed?

I'd start calling myself Matt Murdock. :D

What if Penguins of Madagascar was real?

World war three would begin.

What if Star Wars was never made? :O

life would be the same, only without starwars.

what if you couldn't think of what to type?

Then I would watch Skalrag Waiter. ;D
What if you could fly?

I would fly to another state for a vacation

What if the cats in Redwall were the good guys?

That would be cool.
What if you suddenly did a backflip?

It would be fun

What if there were flying cars?

i would be sorry for people who are afraid of heights.

what if you lived in a dystopian society?

i don't know wot that means.

what if you could fly?

I would think that was cool, and I could fly all over the world

What if they turned the Redwall books into a theme park, and had a ride similar to splash mountain from Disney?

  What if Deyna's father never took him to the river when he was a pup?

The Juska would have wandered around Mossflower Woods till they all died

What if Romsca hadn't become a corsair?

That would be weird

What if, what if?

Revive!

What's that supposed to mean?

What if you went into the bloodwrath?

I would control it.

What if Cluny had killed young Matthias?

Then Redwall would have been doomed

What if Warbeak didn't die?

Then she wouldn't have a really cool death.

What if Ublaz had killed Martin II?

Then his Corsairs would leave him to starve on the island.
What if the beavers had more prominent roles?

Then badgers wouldn't be as rare and awesome.

What if Cluny turned good?

Then Cluny would have been made a honorary badger lord.
What if the Mossflower universe was part of the Narnia universe?

Then reepacheep (whatever his name is) would become the abbey's champion.

What if we all could go to Redwall?

We'd all have no more internet...
What if Veil hadn't jumped in front of Bryrony?

Then my mind would be at rest

What if Basil killed Mathias?

He'd probably have no choice but to throw his lot in with Cluny and hares would either be vermin forevermore or an ambiguous species.
What if the abbey hadn't let Slagar and his band inside?

Then Matti would stayed a spoiled brat!

What if Salamandastron had fallen to Feragho?

Then Mossflower wood would have been overrun with vermin, as would Redwall.

What if Verdauga and his children
were kind rulers?

(Verd has children?)

The cellars would just be that much less exciting...


What if...I disappeared...

(Tsarmina and Gingivere. Haven't you read Mossflower?)
I would think Masika had murdered you We would all be sad.
What if Abbot Durral and Viola hadn't been captured by the monitor lizards?

Pearls of Lutra may not have turned out so well...

What if my computer died (like the last one)?

Than you have an excuse to be depressed for a while

Then you and excuse to get a new one.

What if...my nightmares came true?

Then you'd go insane.
What if... I fell off a cliff?

Then we'd aaalllll be sad. *hides the body*

What if Matthias accidentally killed friar Hugo with the bell?

It would be a very dark book...

What if...my dog died?

Quote from: WorshipTiria on May 14, 2021, 02:33:39 PM
Then we'd aaalllll be sad. *hides the body*

XD You don't seem very sad. ;D

Quote from: Ally046 on May 14, 2021, 04:20:25 PM
What if...my dog died?

Don't even suggest such a thing! :o


What if... I wasn't ever allowed to read the Redwall books again?

Then you'd have to just think about them. Start memorizing!

What if Matthias didn't return from the grotto?

Warbeak would have to kill Cluny then.
What if Barranca succeeded in killing Ublaz Mad Eyes?