I have had many moments while reading the Redwall books when something happened that I did not see coming. What are some of yours?
Here's one of mine :): When lord Rawnblade fell into the pit with the scorpion Scrabblag during the attack against Gabool. (Mariel of Redwall)
I totally saw that one coming.
I guess miine would be when Hon Rosie and Durry took control of the frogs in The Bellmaker and it totally worked!
When Swiffo died in The Rogue Crew.
When Drander died in The Rogue Crew. :P
When Crumdun got off scot-free in The Rogue Crew. When vermin are involved, you usually expect them to die somehow.
Interesting thread! :) I would say there are quite a few unexpected deaths throughout the Redwall series. This adds more suspense and excitement. One never knows when another character is going to croak, and Brian Jacques didn't shy away from killing off characters of great relevance and importance both good and evil, either. Almost anything could happen ;)
I personally did not see Korvus Skurr throwing Sicariss in the pool with the giant, carnivorous fish (Doomwyte). So cruel and horrifying...yet so adding to the book! Upgrade the creepiness!
Yes, that's a good one.
I think the reason there were so many unexpected things to happen by the end of The Rogue Crew was because it wasn't fully completed by the time it was published. (At least, that's how I felt about the way it was written.)
The death of Brinty and Swiffo.
When Piknim died in Pearls of Lutra... that was so sad :'(
Quote from: The Skarzs on February 06, 2015, 09:30:15 PM
When Drander died in The Rogue Crew. :P
Honestly, this is to be expected. Brian does kill of many characters he slowly developed, becuase, heck, vermin are evil!
All that I can think at the moment, and even this is vague. In High Rhulain I didn't think the timid brother of the nasty cat was going to be killed, or at least so soon after being introduced. I hoped there would be more to that character and it was sad that he died so undeservedly. :/
I agree, Jeefra shouldn't have been killed off so quickly (I actually kind of liked him, probably because of the name!), I really hated Pitru after that, and many other things he did...
^ Ahh, that's their names. Thanks. :p
No problem. :P
I don't know, the series were rather predictable for the most part. I have to say one of the things I least expected was when Matthias lost to the rat thing and was thrown over the edge.
I was extremely surprised that Bane and Argular (ler?) were both killed off at the same time in Mossflower. I was also surprised when Balefur was killed in Outcast of Redwall.
That threw me off as well, I wasn't expecting that. I also wasn't expecting Warbeak to die, I could barely believe it the first time I read that part.
Me too. Warbeak was an amazing sparrow. She was noble, brave, and a true friend. I was really sad when she died.
Quote from: HanNorwood on February 12, 2015, 03:20:05 AM
I was extremely surprised that Bane and Argular (ler?) were both killed off at the same time in Mossflower. I was also surprised when Balefur was killed in Outcast of Redwall.
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The weasel brothers killing Junty in Loamhedge. Even more shocking was they DIDN'T get killed, making this the only(?) time Jacque let vermin get away with murder.
Balefur going down like a total chump when he'd been set up as cool and interesting in Outcast of Redwall
The good guys deaths in middle part of The Rogue Crew (score one for the secondary bad guys! >_<)
They've already been mentioned, but the deaths of Swiffo in The Rogue Crew and Piknim in Pearls of Lutra hit me hard. Swiffo's especially was so sudden I didn't really understand what had happened and had to go back and reread it.
The way Jeefra (High Rhulain) died was surprising. I didn't see it coming until he was begging his brother for help...
Quote from: Mhera on February 06, 2015, 07:30:17 PM
When Swiffo died in The Rogue Crew.
Definitely this. I remember being so sad when I read this part of the book.
When I was reading The Long Patrol (it was my first Redwall book that I read), I was not expecting Russa to be killed off. I would have placed money on her staying with it all the way through the book!
Remembered another one:
Viska killing Glurma and Jungo.
When the comic relief gets it, you know things have gotten out of hand... <_<
Jibsnout in Loamhedge
Quote from: Eulaliaaa! on February 12, 2015, 03:24:15 AM
That threw me off as well, I wasn't expecting that. I also wasn't expecting Warbeak to die, I could barely believe it the first time I read that part.
I didn't expect Warbeak to die either :(
Codj's death (from
Eulaliaaa!) was also surprising, because I didn't expect him to be killed so early in the book.
Then again, most deaths are pretty unexpected.
Dander (or Drander, whatever) in Rogue Crew. Typical BJ, quietly advancing a character in mention so that he's almost at the same level as the main characters, but at the same time in the backround, so when he's killed you're like, "Ahh! I suddenly realized how much I liked that guy!"
I really liked Drander :P
I was upset when he died, because I also really liked him, but I found a lot of the deaths in that book to be very underwhelming.
One thing I didn't see coming was in Doomwyte when all those moles kind plummeted to their doom.
Well, iit only said at first they they were laying limply on the mound, and later on it was offhandedly mentioned that they were dead.
I was surprised at how many good creatures died in The Rogue Crew. On the flipside, I was surprised at how many vermin survived.