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Did Veil die as a villain or a goodbeast?

Started by ILoveMTW, April 16, 2012, 10:26:57 PM

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Shogg

Oh and bryony was not a wimp.  She went after Veil, didn't she.
Ar, it all depends on how you look at it.
She just had a wimpy way of going about things.
(She was a redwall novice after all.)
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I think the only reason Veil died good was because his mother was a good creature (from the impression i get, though there's not much to go on) and because the good greatures of redwall finally managed to yeach him something about being good and kind.

Tiria Wildlough

Primrose, Bryony wasn't a wimp. If she was a wimp, she wouldn't have gone after Veil.
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Veil died a goodbeast, even if he made lousy choices at the Abbey that got him exiled.  His courage and action at the end proves it...one of the few times you run into a gray character in Redwall.
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Capn Greypatch

Oh, I think Veil was always a good beast...just very lost and independant.
But if there was any question, he definitely died a goodbeast.
Too bad his father was an evil warlord...
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Skarlathrox

Seriously I don't think either. I don't think even he had decided whether he wanted to be good or bad before he died..... I think it was a flash of his indecision showing when he saved Briony's life, but whether or not (as she wonders) he would have done the same, knowing that he would die. Who knows - maybe he would have lived on as a peaceful Abbey-dweller, or he could have stayed with his father and become the next warlord, slaughtering innocent creatures and doing evil deeds. But we'll never know, because he died ^_^. 
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Veil Sixclaw

I think veil died as a good beat but also a villan cuz he saved bryony but was it out of good intention or respect/loyalty ??? im not really sure about my answer though im just feeling a bit puzzled
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Quote from: Shogg on April 18, 2012, 10:37:36 PMHowever, he wasn't doing it for the good of all, he was only doing it out of loyalty to bryony.  She was the only one he felt deserved his loyalty at the end.

That's what I think as well.

Veil was a villain who only sacrificed himself for Bryony out of a sense of loyalty to her. He didn't care about any of the other Redwallers or 'the greater good' and would quite happily have allowed anybody else to die.

And Bryony wasn't a wimp.  :P She had a gentle manner about her and only wanted to see the good in other creatures but she also showed courage beyond her years by leaving to go after Veil.
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