Martin the Warrior Vs. Boar the Fighter

[Skipper]

being twice his size dosen't change the fact that he was armed and she wasn't, slipp was a searat so he probably killed alot unlike mellus, what i ment instead of being taken by suprise is slipp had a dagger in his hand so it was easy for him to kill mellus or you could say quick reactions

[Sheep-From-The-Red-Hill]

being twice his size dosen't change the fact that he was armed and she wasn't,

She could have easily broken his neck.

slipp was a searat so he probably killed alot unlike mellus,

Yes fish, birds, and the defenseless.

what i ment instead of being taken by suprise is slipp had a dagger in his hand so it was easy for him to kill mellus or you could say quick reactions

Still if badgers always won then she should have ripped the kitchen knife out of her chest and slice Slipps skull in half.

[DanielofRedwall]

Mother Mellus was quite old at the time, so it is a lot like Cregga's death. She was weak due to age, so she probably couldn't just take out the dagger and kill Slipp as the dagger would have done the damage quicker.

Also, Redwallers are peaceful, so Mellus's first thoughts wouldn't be to destroy Slipp.

Finally, Mellus was no Boar the Fighter. Boar was a powerful warrior, Mellus was a dibbun nursemaid. Think about that. If Slipp came head to head with Boar, he would have been killed at first sight.

[Sheep-From-The-Red-Hill]

Mother Mellus was quite old at the time, so it is a lot like Cregga's death.

I don't think Slipp was the youngest of creatures either plus he probably didn't have the most healthy life style. He loved to chug down alcohol and he presumably ate food low in nutrients being a sea rat and all.

She was weak due to age, so she probably couldn't just take out the dagger and kill Slipp as the dagger would have done the damage quicker.

No the reason she could not take it out was because she died instantly.

Also, Redwallers are peaceful, so Mellus's first thoughts wouldn't be to destroy Slipp.

Not to sure about that most badger mothers were rather violent, threaten a young-un and their attitude just gets worse.

Finally, Mellus was no Boar the Fighter. Boar was a powerful warrior, Mellus was a dibbun nursemaid.

And Slipp ain't no Martin, Slipp was an average sea rat Martin was a skilled warrior.

Think about that. If Slipp came head to head with Boar, he would have been killed at first sight.

Martin would hypothetically have no problems killing Mellus either.

[Skipper]

if i remembr correctly mother mellus died because she leaped at slipp who already had the dagger out and all he had to do was turn around and point the blade towards her, she had no chance to defend herself.

Also female badgers don't normally have the detemination that male badgers have, for example gorath the flame survived the journey even though he had a head wound which was infected and no food not much sleep and abit of water, if it was a female they probably would have died.

i wouldn't call them violent, just protective.Slipp didnt need to be martin the warrior, it was an easy kill.

[mattimouse20]

Martin was a born fighter and a natural swordsman. He was also experienced in hand to hand combat. Boar the fighter however, was a seasoned warrior who had been in many battles before. a height advantage over martin was also important for boar the fighter to win. Martin being small, and quick on his feet helped to give him a speed advantage over Boar the fighter. Although, we must not forget that Boar taught Martin the skill of de-arming your opponent;Boar could easily use that strategy against him. All in all, I'm always on Martin's side through and through. This battle with Boar the fighter truly made him legendary and further heightened his ranking and reputation as a warrior.

[Sheep-From-The-Red-Hill]

if i remembr correctly mother mellus died because she leaped at slipp who already had the dagger out and all he had to do was turn around and point the blade towards her, she had no chance to defend herself.

Same thing could happen to boar if he gives into the bloodwrath.

Also female badgers don't normally have the detemination that male badgers have,

Cregga and Constance were pretty headstrong, besides what good does determination do in a fight?

for example gorath the flame survived the journey even though he had a head wound which was infected and no food not much sleep and abit of water, if it was a female they probably would have died.

Gortah was an exceptional member of his species judging by the X amount "OMG hes even bigger than Asheye!"

i wouldn't call them violent, just protective.

Bad temper+ Hate of Vermin+Vermin that threatens a redwall child=.......

Slipp didnt need to be martin the warrior, it was an easy kill.

And Slipp should have been an easy kill since Blaggut easily strangled him to death!

[Skipper]

badgers with the bloodwrath can keep going even if they were stabbed.
determination keeps you going and not giving up.
size dosent make a difference all the time.
they are protective not violent, if your not sure what they mean look them up.
slipp turned around with the dagger facing mellus=bye bye mellus, slipp was taken by supprise and shocked that blaggut was strangling him, he was too shocked to do anything.

[Sheep-From-The-Red-Hill]

badgers with the bloodwrath can keep going even if they were stabbed.

Not if its a vital area, the durability of badgers is overestimated.

determination keeps you going and not giving up.

So does fear, anger, insanity, ect.

size dosent make a difference all the time.

In close combat it does.

they are protective not violent, if your not sure what they mean look them up.

Mellus hates vermin there is vermin waving a knife at a pair of kids, Mellus would at least have the instinct to smack him across then face and she couldn't even achieved that!

slipp turned around with the dagger facing mellus=bye bye mellus,

No she tackled him and then got stabbed.

slipp was taken by supprise

Slipp was smashing his head with a branch first.

and shocked that blaggut was strangling him, he was too shocked to do anything.

For a whole minute? Because that how long it usually take for someone to die from suffocation. Most people would be able to get out of that fairly easily but Blaggut was able to pull it off without any serious injuries.

[Skipper]

yes but mellus was obviously stabbed in a vital area then.
yes they do keep you going but so does determination which you said 'what does that have to do with it'.
not all the time.
that dosen mak her violent.
yes she tackled him but before they hit the ground he stabbed her.
yes but he didnt expect blaggut to strangle him.
just because it normally takes a minute to strangle someone dosen mean it took a minute for blaggut to strangle slipp, remember we are on about animals not humans.

[Sheep-From-The-Red-Hill]

not all the time.

Yes it does, it gives you a longer reach and a strength advantage.

yes but he didnt expect blaggut to strangle him.

A random guy on the street suddenly tackles you to the ground and starts punching you, are you just going to lie there and slowly get beaten to death?

just because it normally takes a minute to strangle someone dosen mean it took a minute for blaggut to strangle slipp, remember we are on about animals not humans.

Humans have extremely weak necks making them one of easiest if not easiest animals to choke, rats have pretty strong necks so they would be harder to suffocate(if they were the same size.)

[Skipper]

yes but if youre smaller you can get closer and finish your opponent.
it wasen't a andom guy though, slipp was shocked because he had always bullied blaggut and blaggut always did what he was told, he never saw it coming.
if would be easier for a rat to strangle a rat then a human to strangle a human.

[Sheep-From-The-Red-Hill]

yes but if youre smaller you can get closer and finish your opponent.

A longer reach nullify's that.

it wasen't a andom guy though, slipp was shocked because he had always bullied blaggut and blaggut always did what he was told, he never saw it coming.

Okay so you would less surprised if a random dude punched you in the face, rather than a guy you been picking on for months?

if would be easier for a rat to strangle a rat then a human to strangle a human.

Where are you getting this from? Rats have stronger necks, a vicious bite, and long claws(in the book series) chocking out a rat would be incredibly difficult.

[Skipper]

unless you can slip past them to get closer.
blaggut hadn't been picking on slipp it was the other way round.
it was easy in the book which is where im coming from.

[Sheep-From-The-Red-Hill]

unless you can slip past them to get closer.

Unlikely.

blaggut hadn't been picking on slipp it was the other way round.

I never said Blaggut picked on Slipp.

it was easy in the book which is where im coming from.

And common sense dictates that Slipp sucked at fighting making the "badger destroys everything" statement untrue.