Cluny the Scourge

[Dannflower Reguba]

Well we could do it the way everyone on this site likes to do it... Maybe I won't comment on that, but still, Urgan was a fox with an un-addled brain, Cluny was a war-mongering rat!

Un-addled brain? backwards coming forward's favorite outfit was half a carcass... and he was dumb enough to tangle with finnbarr. in the end though it was Cluny vs Matthias... if had been a similar setup to the end of the bellmaker our little mouse friend would have bitten the dust.

Matthias could have beaten Urgan easy!

[Skipper]

Finbarr was more experienced when he fought Urgan compared to when Matthias fought Cluny, and although Matthias had the sword of MTW Urgan was atleast a decent fighter and he had his deadly iron claws which ended up badly wounding finbarr and eventually killing him.

[Redwaller]

Cluny the Scourge is AWESOME!

[Redwallfan7]

I disagree. I can't stand him.

[Something Horrifying]

Finbarr was more experienced when he fought Urgan compared to when Matthias fought Cluny, and although Matthias had the sword of MTW Urgan was atleast a decent fighter and he had his deadly iron claws which ended up badly wounding finbarr and eventually killing him.

Actually, I just finished re-reading The Bellmaker, and it wasn't Urgan that killed him at all--it didn't seem like he even inflicted much damage or really stood half a chance. It was just some rat that got Finnbarr with his spear when Urgan cried out for help.

[Flandor]

Urgan Nagru was just terrible.  The Bellmaker felt anticlimactic to me for that reason.  He was not a scary villain. 

Cluny could've taken him easy.

[Dannflower Reguba]

Urgan Nagru was just terrible.  The Bellmaker felt anticlimactic to me for that reason.  He was not a scary villain. 

Cluny could've taken him easy.

I whole-heartedly agree! Urgan was a wimp at certain points! Cluny would have done some damage to Finnbar.

[Something Horrifying]

Urgan Nagru was just terrible.  The Bellmaker felt anticlimactic to me for that reason.  He was not a scary villain. 

Cluny could've taken him easy.

Agreed, not a fan of Urgan. He was an interesting character in some ways, yes, but never seemed a very big threat at all and didn't make a very interesting main villain. In fact I'd go so far as to say the only about him I found slightly interesting was the very fact that he didn't seem like a terribly competent villain (that and his relationship with Silvamord, of course). The story line with the two searats at Redwall was far more interesting than the "main" plot of The Bellmaker, in my opinion. In fact, rereading this book, I found myself several times almost tempted to just skip ahead to those chapters--not because I didn't like the other parts, but because it was by far the most interesting. But that's more personal taste, perhaps.

Anyway, yeah, between him and Cluny, there's absolutely no contest as to who was the more effective villain.

[Redwallfan7]

, I thought that Urgan was cool.

[Redwaller]

, I thought that Urgan was cool.

Urgan was a coward, so was the vixen

[Redwallfan7]

I'm not going to argue over different opinions.

[Redwaller]

I'm not arguing! I'm just stating my opinion.

[Redwallfan7]

Okay

[Tam and Martin]

Cluny was never my favorite villain but he wasn't the worst either.

[UNKN0WN]

he seemed to be incompetent